[Next project] The Documents in the Case, by Dorothy L. Sayers and Robert Eustace

138 views
Skip to first unread message

David

unread,
Jan 18, 2026, 11:32:25 AMJan 18
to Standard Ebooks
I'll be submitting my current project for review in the next day or so, so looking ahead to my next project.

I may regret this, but I'd like to try producing the Sayers and "Eustace" collaboration, _The Documents in the Case_ (1930).


It's an "epistolary novel", and there are a few aspects I'll need help with:
  1. Sectioning - there are no "chapters", just two divisions of the letters.
  2. The letters (and other documents) are consecutively numbered, 1., 2., 3., etc. I am guessing (based on this exemplar) that these "document" headings go to Roman, and are included in the ToC.
  3. "Introduction" - comes before the first "division", but I don't think it's "frontmatter"? (i.e, no need for a half-title?)
  4. A  good number of the "documents" aren't letters,  but statements or newspaper extracts; but I imagine these are sectioned *like* the letters (with appropriate semantics, of course).
Does this look okay? I don't have a repo yet, but it will be at:
I'll update here when it's live on GitHub. (This is an HQ title, so there's already a project page for it.)

David / Fife, UK

Alex Cabal

unread,
Jan 18, 2026, 5:43:20 PMJan 18
to standar...@googlegroups.com
OK, Lukas will manage with Robin reviewing.

I think each letter can go in its own file and we can call them each
"chapters" that are also letters. Regular chapter heading rules would apply.

You can still add a half title, see
https://standardebooks.org/ebooks/edgar-allan-poe/the-narrative-of-arthur-gordon-pym-of-nantucket
for a fictional preface that establishes a frame narrative

On 1/18/26 10:32 AM, David wrote:
> I'll be submitting my current project for review in the next day or so,
> so looking ahead to my next project.
>
> I may regret this, but I'd like to try producing the Sayers and
> "Eustace" collaboration, _The Documents in the Case_ (1930).
>
> PG: https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/77601
> IA: https://archive.org/details/bwb_O6-BMX-852
> Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Documents_in_the_Case
>
> It's an "epistolary novel", and there are a few aspects I'll need help with:
>
> 1. Sectioning - there are no "chapters", just two divisions of the letters.
> 2. The letters (and other documents) are consecutively numbered, 1.,
> 2., 3., etc. I am guessing (based on this exemplar <https://
> standardebooks.org/ebooks/honore-de-balzac/letters-of-two-brides/r-
> s-scott/text>) that these "document" headings go to Roman, and are
> included in the ToC.
> 3. "Introduction" - comes before the first "division", but I don't
> think it's "frontmatter"? (i.e, no need for a half-title?)
> 4. A  good number of the "documents" aren't letters,  but statements or
> newspaper extracts; but I imagine these are sectioned *like* the
> letters (with appropriate semantics, of course).
>
> Does this look okay? I don't have a repo yet, but it will be at:
> https://github.com/dajare/dorothy-l-sayers_robert-eustace_the-documents-
> in-the-case
> I'll update here when it's live on GitHub. (This is an HQ title, so
> there's already a project page <https://standardebooks.org/ebooks/
> dorothy-l-sayers_robert-eustace/the-documents-in-the-case> for it.)
>
> David / Fife, UK
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
> Groups "Standard Ebooks" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send
> an email to standardebook...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:standardebook...@googlegroups.com>.
> To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/
> standardebooks/7bc29e15-84ed-426f-9b78-313b51e036ecn%40googlegroups.com
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/
> standardebooks/7bc29e15-84ed-426f-9b78-313b51e036ecn%40googlegroups.com?
> utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>.

Alex Cabal

unread,
Jan 18, 2026, 5:52:26 PMJan 18
to standar...@googlegroups.com
Also that first edition dust jacket has excellent cover art, pity it's
not in the SE Style

David

unread,
Jan 19, 2026, 7:31:13 AMJan 19
to Standard Ebooks
I'll see if I can find something for the cover that at least evokes the first edition. We'll see!

Meanwhile, the github repo is now populated. I anticipate there being a LOT more manual markup with this than a "normal" production, so I may adopt a slightly different work-flow (proofing while adding manual semantics, perhaps).

Hopefully we'll get this over the line eventually. :)

Igor Dikiy

unread,
Jan 20, 2026, 12:10:50 AMJan 20
to Standard Ebooks
Maybe a treatment of Saint Jerome as in this painting? https://standardebooks.org/artworks/hendrick-ter-brugghen/saint-jerome

They often have a skull and books. 



David

unread,
Jan 20, 2026, 3:59:41 AMJan 20
to Standard Ebooks
Interesting suggestion, Igor - thanks! I'll keep that in mind when the time comes.

On Tuesday, 20 January 2026 at 05:10:50 UTC Igor wrote:
Maybe a treatment of Saint Jerome as in this painting? https://standardebooks.org/artworks/hendrick-ter-brugghen/saint-jerome

They often have a skull and books. 

On Monday, January 19, 2026 at 7:31:13 AM UTC-5 David wrote:
I'll see if I can find something for the cover that at least evokes the first edition. We'll see!
. . .

David

unread,
Jan 20, 2026, 10:03:47 AMJan 20
to Standard Ebooks
Hi Lukas - in the setup for this project, I assumed that the consecutively numbered "documents in the case" would be changed to Roman (as it our practice).

On at least four occasions, the documents are cross-referenced like this:

Screenshot from 2026-01-20 15-00-51.png

Would "statement No. 49" go to "statement No. LXIX"? or rather (as is my guess) we leave this as-is? I often guess wrong on these, so thought it worth checking.

Thanks!

David Reimer

unread,
Jan 20, 2026, 10:08:05 AMJan 20
to standar...@googlegroups.com
(Or "XLIX", even ... doh.)

Alex Cabal

unread,
Jan 20, 2026, 12:02:47 PMJan 20
to standar...@googlegroups.com
Hmm.. if they're frequently cross referenced like that then I think it
would be easier to read as decimal. So let's leave them like that in
this case.

On 1/20/26 9:07 AM, David Reimer wrote:
> (Or "XLIX", even ... doh.)
>
> On Tue, 20 Jan 2026 at 15:03, David <djre...@gmail.com
> <mailto:djre...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Lukas - in the setup for this project, I assumed that the
> consecutively numbered "documents in the case" would be changed to
> Roman (as it our practice).
>
> On at least four occasions, the documents are cross-referenced like
> this:
>
> Screenshot from 2026-01-20 15-00-51.png
>
> Would "statement No. 49" go to "statement No. LXIX"? or rather (as
> is my guess) we leave this as-is? I often guess wrong on these, so
> thought it worth checking.
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
> Groups "Standard Ebooks" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send
> an email to standardebook...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:standardebook...@googlegroups.com>.
> To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/
> standardebooks/CALCAaCBbrcn7-
> pc5%2BPS3t%3DLY__kbe0niTgjO2Rr%3Db52TQcmbOg%40mail.gmail.com <https://
> groups.google.com/d/msgid/standardebooks/CALCAaCBbrcn7-
> pc5%2BPS3t%3DLY__kbe0niTgjO2Rr%3Db52TQcmbOg%40mail.gmail.com?
> utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>.

Vince

unread,
Jan 20, 2026, 12:29:21 PMJan 20
to standar...@googlegroups.com
Should they be made links as well?

Alex Cabal

unread,
Jan 20, 2026, 12:30:23 PMJan 20
to standar...@googlegroups.com
Hmm... I guess we could do that, though typically we only do that for
things like endnotes, which are outside of the actual text body.

David

unread,
Jan 26, 2026, 11:26:20 AMJan 26
to Standard Ebooks
I could use some help with the formatting of the chapters in this, especially given the decision (above) to retain regular digits for chapters, not Roman.

There are "sections", so data-parents. I've modelled what I've done on Vince's Balzac, Letters of Two Brides.

This is a marked-up version (see file in a gist) - NOT yet semanticated, etc. (this is just *structure* I'm interested in):

Screenshot from 2026-01-26 16-03-58.png

And this is the original (see also on IA):

Screenshot from 2026-01-26 16-06-20.png

Hopefully I'm on the right track! I want to set out with the correct markup, because there will be a lot of manual markup in this one (I anticipate).

Thanks for help with this!

Lukas Bystricky

unread,
Jan 26, 2026, 2:09:44 PMJan 26
to Standard Ebooks
I think it looks good. My only question would be whether or not you want all the letters to show up in the ToC. We don't have to follow the scans of course, but there they chose just to include the two sections. I don't have an opinion on it, I bring it up mainly in case you hadn't thought about it. 

Alex Cabal

unread,
Jan 26, 2026, 2:45:08 PMJan 26
to standar...@googlegroups.com
I think in general <hgroup>s should go inside <header>. Otherwise we're
implying that there are two headings, which doesn't make sense (even
though one is "presentational").

On 1/26/26 10:26 AM, David wrote:
> I could use some help with the formatting of the chapters in this,
> especially given the decision (above) to retain regular digits for
> chapters, not Roman.
>
> There are "sections", so data-parents. I've modelled what I've done on
> Vince's Balzac, Letters of Two Brides <https://github.com/
> standardebooks/honore-de-balzac_letters-of-two-brides_r-s-scott/
> blob/194ba0e724b11957046623aae3dbd51270cb27d3/src/epub/text/
> chapter-25.xhtml#L9>.
>
> This is a marked-up version (see file in a gist <https://
> gist.github.com/dajare/5da3ca764b603d7dcf17846bec742669>) - NOT yet
> semanticated, etc. (this is just *structure* I'm interested in):
>
> Screenshot from 2026-01-26 16-03-58.png
>
> And this is the original (see also on IA <https://archive.org/details/
> bwb_O6-BMX-852/page/10/mode/2up>):
>
> Screenshot from 2026-01-26 16-06-20.png
>
> Hopefully I'm on the right track! I want to set out with the correct
> markup, because there will be a lot of manual markup in this one (I
> anticipate).
>
> Thanks for help with this!
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
> Groups "Standard Ebooks" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send
> an email to standardebook...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:standardebook...@googlegroups.com>.
> To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/
> standardebooks/3b48d10d-996a-4b49-805d-99dd523990b1n%40googlegroups.com
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/
> standardebooks/3b48d10d-996a-4b49-805d-99dd523990b1n%40googlegroups.com?
> utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>.

David

unread,
Feb 10, 2026, 11:06:39 AM (4 days ago) Feb 10
to Standard Ebooks
Yet another `telegram` question, Lukas. One of the very short "documents" (= chapters in this production) is a telegram consisting in its entirety of:

Screenshot from 2026-02-10 15-58-51.png

The `section` for this is as follows (at the moment; no mod-spell run yet):

```
<section data-parent="section-1" id="chapter-35" epub:type="chapter">
<header>
<hgroup>
<h3>35</h3>
<h4>Telegram from John Munting to Elizabeth Drake, dated 26.2.29</h4>
</hgroup>
</header>
<p>A little mad and quite mistaken. Do not worry. Am starting North to-night.</p>
<p>Jack</p>
</section>
```

(The time/datetime and other semantics will be added in due course as well.) My question just now is: where to add the `telegram` class??? The letters in this production have:
    epub:type="chapter z3998:letter"
as an element in the <section...> wrapper, but it doesn't look like it should go there (and does this count as a "letter"? I guess so).

Perhaps just add the `telegram` class to the <p> wrapper? Grateful for some guidance on this one.

Lukas Bystricky

unread,
Feb 10, 2026, 3:17:59 PM (3 days ago) Feb 10
to standar...@googlegroups.com
Tough call. I agree that it looks strange on the section element, but if you're adding the letter semantics there I would say that's where the class should go too. You might need to adjust the CSS slightly to handle the header. 

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Standard Ebooks" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to standardebook...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/standardebooks/813d5683-4ac4-4415-8d89-bfc335540561n%40googlegroups.com.
Reply all
Reply to author
Forward
0 new messages