A tuner is a device musicians use to detect pitch accuracy. It will let a musician know if the note they are playing is sharp (too high), flat (too low), or if it is in tune. The accuracy of a pitch is what musicians call intonation. Tuners work by detecting the frequency of the pitch (sound waves). For example, an A is 440 Hz. If an A is sharp, it will be 441 Hz or higher. If it is flat, it will register as 439 Hz or lower. While tuners work by tracking hertz, musicians measure how close they are to the pitch in measurements of cents. Cents and hertz are not the same things.
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In the last bullet above, we saw that a chord can sound out of tune even though every member of the chord is showing as in tune on a tuner. This is known as "just intonation." This table is just a guide and not hard rules. Always default to your ear and the ears of those around you. The most common way to discuss chords in a generic way is through numbers which represent the interval relationship to the root of the chord. As an example, the C Major chord has a root of C (it will always be in the name of the chord). The next member of this chord is a third above it, E, so we call it the third. The major third of the chord must be lowered 14 cents in order for it to sound in tune.
The note name around the chromatic wheel will be highlighted and the indicator will let you know the note name, frequency in hertz and number of cents over or under that note. Cents are a unit of measure to measure frequencies between two notes. One semitone (aka one half step) is 100 cents, so there are 100 cents between any two adjacent notes on the chromatic scale.
The indicator or note name on the wheel will turn green when the note is in tune and will turn red-orange when the note is out of tune. The 'in-tune' range for this tuner is +/- 5 cents to the target pitch and the 'out of tune' range is anything more than 20 cents sharp or flat to the note.
It might sound a bit complicated, but actually a chromatic tuner is a really simple tool that lets you tune to any note of the 12 note chromatic scale (A, A#, B, C etc). Rather than being fixed to a specific tuning for a particular instrument (like, for example, our Standard Guitar Tuner or Standard Ukulele Tuner) our chromatic tuner lets you tune to whatever note you like. You can have complete tuning freedom, no matter what instrument you are playing or what note combination you want to create.
Our chromatic tuner is also handy if you want to try out an alternate tuning, you could use it to tune any stringed instrument (such as a guitar, ukulele, violin or banjo) to whatever alternate tuning you wish, just make sure you know what frequencies you are looking for before you start.
So I'm a real noob when it comes to pedals, only have one, but I see many people have the boss chromatic tuner, I'm not sure but I believe it is a tuner right? Hahah. Anyways, I don't understand why somebody would want to spend much more money on a tuner pedal rather than on a normal tuner (at least one that's not a pedal). Thanks for your time.
September 13, 2011 at 02:52 PM Does anyone use a tuner with their students to help them finger placement and intonation? If so, what tuner do you use? Would this tuner also work for viola/cello/string bass students as well?
September 13, 2011 at 02:55 PM No, I don't. I think it's fine to use the chromatic tuner to tune the violin, but beyond that, I like students to tune in to things like ringing tones and intervals to help them play in tune.
September 14, 2011 at 10:03 AM To answer your first question- ABSOLUTELY NOT! When working on poor intonation I use techniques that get the students think before they play. Have them hear the note first ,think of the note first ,then play. That's how you learn to play in tune quickly. Techniques like drones ,tuners ,fingerboard tape and playing along with teacher are all after thought ways. What I mean buy that is that they are hitting the note wrong first without any thought of the note ,then they may tor may not correct it.
otherwise, for those without much confidence or access to reasonably good references, those who are significantly pitch challenged, then i don't see why tuners should be avoided, at the beginning stage.
September 14, 2011 at 02:50 PM With the tuner I have it just seems to make more since to use a keyboard. For one thing, to use my tuner in this manner in question, I have to pretty much set my violin down, find the note I want, then pick up the violin, etc., etc., With a keyboard (even a portable) ... I can still key out the note(s) with bow in hand and violin under chin then go back to playing. But if using a tunner does the trick why fix what isn't broke?
September 14, 2011 at 05:11 PM The chromatic tuner should be neither excessively praised nor anathematized. In the beginning, what it can do is help the student to develop the skills of listening and adjusting, especially for flat and sharp keys. The tuner can be used to help correct gross intonation error and point them in the right direction, not home in on dead-center pitch. That can only be developed by listening to the violin and learning the overtones of each pitch. People have different sensitivities to this--some get it early and some need more time. I wouldn't totally discount the value of a chromatic tuner (I'm only talking about a tone generator, NOT the needle kind, which is of little value for the above).
September 14, 2011 at 08:06 PM Al , I didn't think of the tuner being used with the audio. It would be a pain and slow going to use the audio side of tuner for correcting poor intonation. You are right ,in tune is in tune it doesn't really matter what the source is. I just find that the piano is the easiest to work with and it is a clean natural sound.
This teacher when he 'adopted me' (poor teacher LOL am glad am not in his shoes) he told me to throw away the tuner (but I have to admit this has been a painful long journey as I was addicted to it by this stage), he taught me and is STILL NOW TEACHING ME about all the stuff re: open strings/intervals and how to go about constantly checking my intonation. As a result since I've been under his wing since 2 and a half years ago I started learning the 'finer stuff' and my ear has been developing. Do I still use the tuner? I have to admit, I still take it out 'at times', but I think I have come along a LONG LONG WAY since I have started learning violin 4 and a half years ago and since I have changed teachers 2 and a half years ago (this teacher now is preparing me for an exam at approx asta level 8...).
Could I have started right from the beginning with no tuner? I think 'I' could have yes, but only with a VERY GOOD teacher like the one I have now, NO LESS, and let's face it, not all teachers are as good and as dedicated, well, maybe because I live in a big town, but here there is many who take 'shortcuts', or maybe they feel they have as people like 'fast results' on the violin and if they don't get the 'fast result' they get frustrated, I am not sure which way around it is.....(ie the teacher not being good or the teacher having to resort to less good teaching methods because he/she feels pressurised).
ps the tuner I used (and still use now and again is with NO audio, it is an app for the iPhone called 'cleartune' and you can select the 'violin family' option so that it tunes as the violin does for what its worth... or at it least it tries to....LOL)
you brought up one very plausible reason why people tend to rely on tuners, that, dead serious intonation may not have been stressed from very early on and when these students struggle, no real help is offered. they are always told that they have problems with intonation; some of those may even hear the off pitches, but they have never been put on the right track and guided step by step. so, unfortunately, the next best thing is the tuner, smaller, more affordable than a piano.
September 15, 2011 at 02:24 AM This is just like the shoulder rest debate. There are no absolutes. IMO, the only people that are dead wrong are those that insist it is one way or another. The fact is, electronic tuners (like shoulder rests) have their place. It might work for some, not for others. I personally DO use a tuner on occasion to check notes -- for example, sight reading contemporary music, notes in the gerbil zone, you have no idea what right or wrong sounds like. A tuner can be helpful to ensure you are at least hitting the right notes, not necessarily tuning them. While Nate's video is informative, I would never use a tuner in that fashion. I just turn it on and watch the needle.
These two facets of intonation develop in parallel. There's little point worrying about the difference between F sharp and G flat if you cannot reliably put your finger anywhere near either one. And you can't expect your targeting ability to develop if you can't hear the difference. So in that respect the tuner might help and I think on balance that for a beginner it probably helps more than it hurts. I'm not a beginner, so when I showed my teacher my new electronic "intonation coach" (that is how it was portrayed in a catalog) he politely suggested that it would not be of much use to me, and he proceeded to spend some of my lesson time teaching me more about how to hear and find the right pitches on my violin.
I watched your video. Although you're technically correct that using a tuner will not lead to perfect intonation, there are some flaws in your argument. The first is the statement that you can't take the tuner on stage. True enough, but then you can't take your metronome on stage either, and I don't see anyone arguing against those.
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