[sig-lbd] Learning By Doings Request: python setuptools & PIP

[Peter Law]

Hi,

I'm seeing a lot of setuptools and pip related changes going into SR's
python projects recently. Since I've very little experience with pip &
setuptools [1], I was wondering if someone could run a Learning by
Doing on these?

Things I'm hoping this will cover:
- why _we'd_ want to use these (what's the benefit over manual/puppet
deployment as we currently use, given that we're not really developing
for a public audience in most cases)
- what development and deployment scenarios they enable/disable
- an example set of changes needed to convert a simple project (and,
if there's time, a more complex project which has dependencies on
another project we own)
- anything else needed to understand how they work

I'd quite like to be in a position to understand the changes being
made [2], and I'm sure I'm not the only person who would enjoy a
session on these tools.

Thanks,
Peter

[1] I can manage `pip install $thing`, but that's about it
[2] I don't really feel I'm able to properly review these changes at the moment

[Harry Cutts]

Hi,

On Sunday, 2 November 2014 14:58:51 UTC, PeterJCLaw wrote:

I'm seeing a lot of setuptools and pip related changes going into SR's
python projects recently. Since I've very little experience with pip &
setuptools [1], I was wondering if someone could run a Learning by
Doing on these?

I'd be interested in this, too.

Harry Cutts

[Alistair Lynn]

Hi Peter–

> I'm seeing a lot of setuptools and pip related changes going into SR's
> python projects recently. Since I've very little experience with pip &
> setuptools [1], I was wondering if someone could run a Learning by
> Doing on these?
>
> Things I'm hoping this will cover:
> - why _we'd_ want to use these (what's the benefit over manual/puppet
> deployment as we currently use, given that we're not really developing
> for a public audience in most cases)
> - what development and deployment scenarios they enable/disable
> - an example set of changes needed to convert a simple project (and,
> if there's time, a more complex project which has dependencies on
> another project we own)
> - anything else needed to understand how they work
>
> I'd quite like to be in a position to understand the changes being
> made [2], and I'm sure I'm not the only person who would enjoy a
> session on these tools.
>

> [1] I can manage `pip install $thing`, but that's about it
> [2] I don't really feel I'm able to properly review these changes at the moment

I can do this, when is everyone interested free?

Alistair

[Harry Cutts]

On 3 November 2014 11:56, Alistair Lynn <al...@studentrobotics.org> wrote:

I can do this, when is everyone interested free?

An evening next week (except Wednesday) would be best for me.

Harry Cutts

[Peter Law]

Alistair wrote:
>> I can do this, when is everyone interested free?

Harry wrote:
> An evening next week (except Wednesday) would be best for me.

I'm not around Wednesdays or Fridays, another evening next week works
for me though.

Thanks,
Peter

[Samson Danziger]

I'd be interested in this too, but I'm only free on Thursdays.

Samson

[Peter Law]

Hi,

So it looks like Thursdays are generally a good day. Unfortunately I'm
not around next Thursday.

Shall we say Thursday 2014-12-04?

Peter

On 4 November 2014 22:40, Samson Danziger <samson....@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd be interested in this too, but I'm only free on Thursdays.
>
> Samson
>

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[Alistair Lynn]

Hi Peter–

OK.

Alistair

[Harry Cutts]

Hi Peter,

I can't make 2014-12-04, I'm afraid, but don't feel you have to postpone it for me. I can always look it up later.

Harry Cutts

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[Samson Danziger]

I also probably can't make the 4th. I probably have the fresher's play to do. 

But don't hold off for me, I can always read the docs.

Samson

[Peter Law]

Alistair wrote:
> when is everyone interested free?

Let's try a doodle: http://doodle.com/n5e3indnasws2kfn

Peter

[Peter Law]

> Alistair wrote:
>> when is everyone interested free?

I wrote:
> Let's try a doodle: http://doodle.com/n5e3indnasws2kfn

I've just realised I probably should have clarified that the poll only
mentions days, but that really we're looking for evenings. I also
added some weekends too, though I'd not really thought about
time-of-day for them.

Based on the current results, the best times are this coming Monday or
Friday. There seems little point in delaying this further, so shall we
say Monday evening starting 6:30pm?

Alistair: is there anything we should prepare/install in advance?

Thanks,
Peter

[Harry Cutts]

On 22 November 2014 at 17:51, Peter Law <peter...@gmail.com> wrote:

Based on the current results, the best times are this coming Monday or
Friday. There seems little point in delaying this further, so shall we
say Monday evening starting 6:30pm?

Sounds good to me, although a little later (say, 7:30pm) would be good depending on how long it's likely to take.

Harry Cutts

[Alistair Lynn]

Hi–

> Alistair: is there anything we should prepare/install in advance?

You'll need Python 3, pip (for Python 3), and probably virtualenv.

Alistair

[Peter Law]

>> Based on the current results, the best times are this coming Monday or
>> Friday. There seems little point in delaying this further, so shall we
>> say Monday evening starting 6:30pm?
>
> Sounds good to me, although a little later (say, 7:30pm) would be good
> depending on how long it's likely to take.

Thanks fine by me. The previous LBDs I've done tend to end up taking
most of the evening, though they do tend to divert into general
discussion around the topic after a while.

Peter

[Samson Danziger]

I can do that. See you then.