Iwe always felt the pain of the slowly progressing IOS music platform. There are so many of VSTs from my Mac that sound way better and the DAWS are way more mature - but I just love to interact without the mouse.
All of a sudden I stumble upon a Microsoft Surface Pro on the web (Quad core fanless I5 10th gen intel) running Bitwig (Daw for multitouch). There you can have all your mature Vsts like Keyscape running on a tablet with a mature DAW....
It looks like this will come to the IOS in the future but this drip drop waiting game is killing me softly Since I have all the licenses for Desktop plugins I can finally stop buying all the IOS music apps hoping that they will deliver just to delete them a couple of weeks later.
@xmortenx said:
To me all I ever needed was the quality of the pianos in Keyscape or better running in a mature and stable Daw with propper PDC and mixing with desktop quality plugins like Sound Toys 5 etc...
Have a Surface laptop with the tablet screen etc that I run Maschine and Ableton etc on and while I'm still a n00b with the music, the laptop itself, while not cheap, is the perfect bestriding both worlds object. Kicks arse.
Omnisphere and Keyscape are great (i own them too) but they are no multi-touch tools.
Sampling? Not sure, 3 velocities are really not enough for an expressive piano. Keyscape goes up to 32 velocity layers.
I personally would need at least 8 but better 12-16.
Pianoteq for iOS would solve that all. 128 velocity layers and no samples
For the FX, they are also a bit missing on iOS. Especially mixing tools and better panning/spat tools. Its a bit flat all in iOS land but i also hope that might change.
But what cannot be replaced maybe is the microtuning in Keyscape/Omnisphere.
Is there a multi-sampler in iOS supporting .tun file import?
Or what about iOS pianos like Colossos? They seems to sound good? Would not test them for the price since im not sure if they run well on my older devices.
But there is also the magic with Keyscape sound sources inside Omnisphere if you start to layer them which would need hours and hours of sampling sessions where im not sure any iOS device offers enough RAM or is able to stream that all from disk without issues.
IOS devices are just not ready for it and i guess also people here wont pay 400 which is even quite a good price for 36 really awesome and deeply sampled keys. Some very unique included.
I also experimented with sampling multi-set ups with my favorite desktop FX to use in NS2 but when a preset has over a GB it begins to slow everything extreme down and loading takes also long. But of course with the latest iPad Pro with 4-6 GB RAM it might work better.
But for sampling NS2 is not the best and i would choose BM3 or something like Audio Layer.
Oh but i would not touch a windows device for anything multi-touch.
Then i much prefer a trackpad which has multi-touch plus keyboard shortcuts or just use an iOS device with the tools which are made for it.
I have surface pro6 i7 and Bitwig running Arturia Vsynth collection and U-he synths. Abbey Road plugins. Ample sound for guitars and a Jamstik, CME and Yourock guitar as controllers plus Roli block. Sample robot for sampling into bitwig. Studiomux to my ipad pro 12inch. Its heaven.
But when travelling its just the ipad thats so much better than the surface for this purpose, as the surface needs an audio interface due to latency issues.
@dblonde said:
I have surface pro6 i7 and Bitwig running Arturia Vsynth collection and U-he synths. Abbey Road plugins. Ample sound for guitars and a Jamstik, CME and Yourock guitar as controllers plus Roli block. Sample robot for sampling into bitwig. Studiomux to my ipad pro 12inch. Its heaven.
But when travelling its just the ipad thats so much better than the surface for this purpose, as the surface needs an audio interface due to latency issues.
Thats my setup now. But I often use a Nord Grand and other hardware Keys for ease of use even though they soundwise are not up to snuff compared with the Spectrasonic Stuff. With this tablet it looks like I can glue a low latency interface like RME etc and a 1tb Samsung T5 on the bag and then have a low latency sound module on battery- that puts Kronos, Yamaha, Nord, Fantom to shame. That in it self is an instant buy. I have been trying for ever to solve the Piano part with IOS apps, but none of the Piano apps have pro sound not to mention synths..
Desktop Sound on a fanless tablet is what I have been craving forever and bought a zillion apps in pursuit of this just to realise that until Spectrasonics etc. ports their apps to IOS its not going to happen anytime soon..
I never thought that Windows would fullfill this need. Im pretty sure there will be a lot of disapointments with regards to the touch interface not being optimized and all the fiddly non apple stuff - but I if I can get Spectrasonic to run on a tablet at 64 buffer size (even though its only one sound at a time) then this purchase would actually make me money since I could offload all the mediocre Hardware keyboards/workstation - that somehow got left in the nineties development wise
When I use omnishere instrument in my arrangement it randomly, without any warnings shuts my computer down. It happens only when I use omnisphere. But when I freeze this truck and mute omnisphere truck, then everything works fine. It comes completely unexpected, so sometimes I lose some material.
There was an issue a while back, where Spectrasonics instruments were crashing Cakewalk after they changed the number of outputs. The solution to that one was to remove the instance of Omnisphere (or Keyscape or Trillian) and insert a new one.
If that is the case, there is an advanced Windows setting to prevent automatic restarts after a BSOD, that should leave the error screen in view in case you happen to miss it. If you change that setting, you would need to manually restart.
When a computer unexpectedly shuts down and reboots, it's most often a failing power supply. I have also seen it happen when there was a shorted decoupling capacitor on the motherboard that overheated the power supply. Either way, it's gonna take a trip to your local computer fixit guy.
It should not be possible for a software instrument to power down and reboot the computer. At worst, it will only crash the DAW and leave a crash dump for analysis. It could be coincidence that there appears to be a correlation to Omnisphere.
You might want to take a look in %appdata%\cakewalk\cakewalk core\minidumps and see a dump file is there with the date and time of your shutdown. Although unlikely, it's possible there's a clue in there. It's also worth scrolling through the Windows Event Viewer to see if there are any entries in the System Log that correspond to the date and time of your shutdown.
I'm only going by what Yury stated, that the shutdown only happens when using Omnisphere. If that's true, was thinking that maybe Omnisphere is stressing something in his system that is marginal and that it tips things over the edge.
Omnisphere is memory intensive, so it's possible it could be a bad memory. This has happened to me in the past and is very difficult to identify. If you're lucky, you might see some discrepancies in the BIOS when it's reporting the speed of your memory modules - i.e. if one looks different from the other, that's a good indication that one has gone bad.
Alternatively, Windows 10 has a built in memory checker: -check-your-pc-memory-problems-windows-10
That was my thought as well. And as Mark suggested, memory could be a thing. An area of memory that doesn't get touched until you run something that eats up a lot of it. That could be RAM, or maybe there's paging going on to a disk that has bad sectors. Even with 32G of RAM, Windows will allocate page file in case it needs it, not necessarily as it needs it.
It could also be other components, any of which can be stress tested. I like Kombustor for graphics. There are others for CPU, which can flush out problems with cooling (dust on the cooler fins, dried out paste, etc.).
DAW work tends to be very heavy on AVX operations, which can really cook the CPU. Omnisphere, I would hope, is probably making a lot of use of AVX, so it could be heating up the processor to the point of protective shutdown.
My favorite tool for monitoring heat, fan speed, etc. is HWINFO64. Start that, look at the CPU and graphics temps and processor speed, then start Cakewalk up with Omnishpere and keep an eye on it. If the CPU temp climbs fast, you might be in for some blowing dust off your cooler and/or putting new paste between the cooler and the CPU.
"Intel's latest CPUs provide a series of updated AVX (opens in new tab) instructions, which are designed to accelerate audio, video, and image processing functions. However, these greatly increase the power usage and heat produced by a CPU.
To prevent AVX power spikes from limiting general overclocking potential, Intel introduced the AVX offset in the BIOS. This feature detects AVX workloads and adjusts the multiplier downward by a specified value to maintain system stability, so a system overclocked to 5GHz with an AVX offset of 2 would adjust to 4.8 GHz automatically during AVX enabled workloads and switch back again when completed."
I still have this problem. The only new is that I don't think its Omnisphere because lately I had same thing happened with other soft running. Even not musical soft. So I think its something with hardware in my computer. I built this computer myself and its been working fine for a long time. May be some of the hardware comes to the end of its life, or some drivers don't like other drivers at certain situations. Random problems is a very difficult problems to fix or find the reason why. So I have to live with this problem until something breaks for good.
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