Will Sprindale Linux 8.0 include a 32-bit build?

[Caitlyn]

Hi, everyone,

Will Sprindale Linux 8.0 include a 32-bit build?  Have you looked at the beta yet?  Is 32-bit even feasible anymore?

TIA for any information,

Best,

Caitlyn

[Akemi Yagi]

If I remember correctly, Springdale gave up on building the i686
kernel sometime in 7.5. So, I highly doubt they would go for 8.0. But
I'm not involved in the project, so you must wait to hear from the
developers.

CentOS continues to provide the i386 arch for 7.6. Whether they can
build it for 8.0 remains to be seen.

Akemi

[JP]

Good morning,

I guess it's hard to tell yet - I am testing rebuilding of x86_64 first. Once that works there is definitely a big set of rpms that will require 32bit builds - to match what's provided by the core OS. I'll try building all of if and see how it goes.  It is definitely going to be harder then it was for 7.  Lots of things were missing at the time but a supported Fedora 32 bit distro was available and that was good enough to bootstrap necessary rpms for 32 bit 7.  Not so now with 8/F28/F29...  I'll let you know in a week or two? I have enough trouble now with missing dependencies in 64 bit, grumble, grumble.

Regarding 7 - it's not that we dropped it - I'd call it best effort with some bits being done late or never.  I am really talking of the kernel - everything else is comparatively easy - which is why we have an older 7.6 kernel in 7.6 32 bit build.

Josko

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[Akemi Yagi]

Josko,

When I noticed that springdale was no longer building the i686 kernel,
I tried to contact the developer (was that you?) because you could
have used the patches elaborated by CentOS contributors. I remember,
earlier in the development, CentOS was helped by the patches in
springdale's 32-bit kernel. Now there are a couple of people who have
been helping the CentOS 32-bit kernels keep going. I am involved in
the project as well.

I think we should all work together to get the el8 version out the
door. Pablo Greco (one of the CentOS people) actually thinks el8 is
easier than el7 because the code is closer to upstream, so "less time
to break things".

Akemi

[Caitlyn Martin]

Hi, Josko,

Thanks for your response. What surprised me was that you didn't know
about 32-bit Fedora 29. Fedora is still supporting the 32-bit distro,
at least for their workstation build, but you have to click on other
downloads to get it: https://getfedora.org/en/workstation/download/
Hopefully that will help.

Look at it this way: RHEL 8.x is probably the last version where
anyone will care about 32-bit.

Best,
Caitlyn

[JP]

Good point Caitlyn,  thanks for pointing that out and will definitely look that way once I am happy with the way 64 bit builds are going - got this started only recently, having a day job can take time from your side activities...  

Akemi - indeed, so far I've had less trouble getting some of the things by picking them up from F28 so maybe, we'll see.  I vaguely remember a lot of bootstrapping issues with RHEL7 32bit built, I think with gcc/glibc in particular - and indeed none of fedora things were close enough. 

Otherwise, sorry if I was unresponsive - I can be slow sometimes but I hope you didn't email me with no reply whatsoever :(.  The big reason why I put the updated 32 bit kernel in 7.6 is that I looked at the Centos equivalent and picked up a few patches, thank you very much. I was pleasantly surprised to see some of my early 32 bit patches in there too, good to see it wasn't wasted time.

I guess we'll have some experience about all of this to share soon enough...   

Thanks,

Josko