Another Pokémon Logic Puzzle

[Sam Kallman]

After seeing THEJMAN's original Pokémon Logic Puzzle based around Caught, Released, and Wild, I thought it'd be fun to make one based around Poké, Great, Ultra, and Master Balls. I originally thought 4 category logic puzzles would be a bit too tricky to make, but then I saw the Carmen San Diego one on the front page, so I dove in.

I have a final result here: http://www.sporcle.com/games/socraticmethod/another-pokemon-logic-puzzle

But I would like someone to play through it and check that the logic is all sound before I go and take a bunch of screenshots for the Flickr tutorial. Preferably someone good at logic puzzles already because I am 99.9% sure it all checks out right now and I don't want to face a zillion questions. Certain parts of it are quite tricky.

Ideally THEJMAN would see this since he seems to know his way around a logic puzzle.

[needapausebutton]

@socraticmethod:  Or, vikZ and MovieGuru -- both masters at this art.

[vikZ]

I'm not a pokemon expert (I was when I was younger though!) so this has been tough for me.
Anyway I'm stuck here where. I won't be surprised if I miss something though because I might've forgotten some pokemon knowledge.
What I know:
- Either Volcorona and Magmortar are both in pokeballs or jumpluff and galvantula are in a pokeball and 1 of volcarona and magmortar is in a pokeball.
- The pokemon in a masterball is either Charizard, Camerupt, or Stunfisk
- Manectric and Raikou are not caught with a masterball or greatball (and they'll be in the same one)
- One of Volcarona, Camerupt and Charizard is in an ultraball (double weakness to rock, water, and rock respectively)
- Stunfisk isn't in a pokeball

[socraticmethod]

Thank you so much for helping out!

Interestingly you seem to have gotten things in a different order than I thought was possible, so maybe I have flawed logic somewhere else in the puzzle that enabled you to get Weavile and Houndoom, Sunflora and Tangrowth (since those two sets are pairs), and Venusaur earlier than I thought possible. Can you explain how you got those without the clues that come from the spaces at the bottom you currently have unsolved?

The next step necessary is indeed requiring some level of Pokémon type effectiveness. Qwilfish (Water/Poison) resists both of Volcarona's types (Bug/Fire). Therefore, Volcarona is in an Ultra Ball, per Qwilfish's rule. Every statement you wrote is also true.

Also, as an aside, should I remove the typings listed? Since type-effectiveness is already required "specialized" knowledge, though very easily found out by consulting a single type chart image, this puzzle does require more than pure logic. So it's more trivia-ish I guess to some degree. Taking out the typings will make this trickier for the actual Pokémon fans (though probably will result in many people not being able to play.) Thoughts?

Again, thanks for the help.

[vikZ]

No problem! And keep the types on there. It helps a lot! (I wouldn't have attempted the quiz otherwise...)

You may want to rewrite Qwilfish's clue. I thought it meant a pokemon with 2 types that resist Qwilfish's types. And yeah I went with Venusaur with that comprehension of the clue (and I just realized I was wrong to do that too. I forgot poison is super effective on grass).

[socraticmethod]

I rewrote the qwilfish clue so it should be absolutely clear now. If you have the chance, I'd really appreciate if you could finish it out and check the logic all holds. If you can't, thank you for your help thusfar. As a commenter pointed out already on the quiz, the final 4 tiles should be fairly tricky to figure out. (If you continue, try to forget the tiles you already got correct based on the confusion around qwilfish's clue.)