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When a page contains more than one system, the distance between systems should, if possible, be greater than the distance between the most widely spaced staves on an adjacent system. (p. 488, "Distance between Staves")
The book is quite detailed and extensive in describing staff size and distance according to musical context (e.g., instrument types, number of instruments, alignment across pages, etc.), so it's recommended to obtain a copy to find the details specific to the situation at hand. Most libraries containing a music section should have a copy.
Staff height and the distance between them is always a compromise between legibilty and putting as much music as possible on the page.
The minimum staff height is going to depend on the purpose of the music and how far away the player is going to be from the music.
The distance between staves will depend on how much the music extends vertically on each one. If there are a of of very high notes and low notes, possibly with articulations and other markings then to a lot more space between staves is needed, so the the low notes from one system don't get in the way of the high notes from the one below. The space between staves is going to influence how many systems fit on a page. For most types of part ten staves on a page (A4) is a good average. For very simple music twelve might fit. For very complicated music probably less than ten.
For pages with only a few systems, most notation programs offer an option to space the staves equally over the page. Don't do this, it makes the music harder to read,
The back cover of the Mel Bay notebook lists other manuscript products. There are student books with as few as 5 staves per page. This suggests a much larger spacing (just as you would expect on lined writing paper intended for children), but the page size isn't listed so it's impossible to guess exactly the staff height or spacing.
I can't find a way to shrink the extra space between staves. I've tried using all the Spacers available from the Palette. And I've tried adjusting every "spacing" value I can find in the Format\Style dialogues.
Since it's a lead sheet, I'm assuming just one staff? In that case, the vertical justification of staves is not doing you favors, so you can turn that off in Format / Style / Page. Then the max system distance setting will work normally to let you decide how you want all the blank space distributed - bunched at at the end, spread evenly between the systems, or some combination.
Another somewhat more direct method would be to add a spacer to the last system and size it downward
to force more space between it and the bottom of the page. That will force the other spaces to close up.
Where or how do I make this space smaller? I would like to reduce the space between the composer and the start of the staff. Please see the photo. Thank you.
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I feel like it would be best to just adjust the height of the music frame (the blue border) in Engrave mode. If you want this to be the same spacing for all your projects then it would be worth changing it in the Page Template and not just directly on the page.
I am so sorry about this but I am extremely new to Dorico. I started with Finale in 2001 and changed to Sibelius in 2010. I have been using Sibelius for about 15 years now and I would love to switch to Dorico.
In Dorico Pro, page templates are provided as parts of page template sets. Page template sets group page templates and flow headings together, so there is suitable page formatting available for all possible situations in your project.
You can use a combination of methods to control where music appears on a page: changing the size/shape of the blue music frame, changing music frame margins, and changing flow heading margins all affect where music starts on a page.
As a new Dorico user, you might also be interested in our First Steps guide, which walks you step-by-step through the process of setting up, inputting, formatting, and tweaking the playback of a short piano piece.
Baffled by staff spacing
Posted by Patrick O'Keefe - 01 Jun 06:44PM Hide picture After years of being frustrated by staff spacing in Sibelius and manually adjusting it I'm finally asking for guidance. And yes, I know such guidance has been given many times before, and yes, I know the rules are (supposedly) explained in the manual, but I still don't get it.
I've attached an excerpt - the first 2 pages of a score I'm working on. My goal is to increase the distance between systems and decrease the distance between the cello staff and the piano's right hand staff on page 2. (I'm willing to manually adjust the spacing on page 1.) I'd also like to slightly increase the distance between the two piano staves.
The score currently has the spacing between staves at 9.50 and the spacing between systems at 11.00. If I increase the distance between systems they do. indeed, increase, but the bottom system on page 2 moves to page 3. Undesirable but understandable (and unnecessary if I could decrease the space between cello and piano staves). That might lead me to think I know what's going on.
If I decrease the spaces between systems in the Layout tab the distance between systems on page 1 decreases, but the distance on page one *increases*! Huh? That actually achieves one of my goals (so I've used that technique in the past) but I really don't understand.
Could someone explain how to achieve my aims, and maybe explain how it works?
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Posted by Robin Walker - 01 Jun 07:33PM (edited 01 Jun 07:33PM) Hide picture All the problems are in the "Engraving Rules" -> "Staves", and the fact that System Object Positions are configured to repeat System Objects above the piano staff (for which room needs to be left).
The score has:
"extra spaces between groups of staves" set to 3 spaces;
"extra spaces above for System Object Positions" set to 3 spaces.
That's a total of 6 extra spaces between the cello and piano staves.
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Posted by Patrick O'Keefe - 01 Jun 10:01PM Hide picture > "extra spaces between groups of staves" set to 3 spaces;
"Groups of staves" means bracketed staves?
> "extra spaces above for System Object Positions" set to 3 spaces.
I'm afraid I don't know what a System Object is. I would have guess things like Metronome Mark or Rehearsal Mark, but they don't seem have space reserved for them.
For now I've set extra space between groups of staves to 1 and space above System Objects to 0 (although I'm sure I'll eventually discover why that's a bad idea).
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Patrick O'Keefe
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Posted by Laurence Payne - 01 Jun 07:38PM Hide picture Triple-click in the top piano stave (to select it throughout) and drag it up a bit. Triple-click in the Violin stave and drag it down a bit. Page 2 will look good with three evenly-spaced systems. As there isn't room for three systems AND a title on page 1, you'll probably want to adjust it separately, either manually or by making different Page 1 margin settings in Layout/Document Setup. I've done it manually in the attached version.
I don't think Engraving Rules/Staves, justify staves when... is causing any problem here, but if its effect irritates you, set it to 100% Attachment LP_Staff spacing.sib (118K) Back to top Allthreads Re: Baffled by staff spacing
Posted by Patrick O'Keefe - 01 Jun 10:11PM Hide picture > Triple-click in the top piano stave (to select it throughout) and drag it up a bit. Triple-click in the Violin stave and drag it down a bit. Page 2 will look good with three evenly-spaced systems. As there isn't room for three systems AND a title on page 1, you'll probably want to adjust it separately, either manually or by making different Page 1 margin settings in Layout/Document Setup. I've done it manually in the attached version.
Hmm. I should have though of that. I've got 20 more pages that need adjusting. I will need to do some extra tweaking on some pages where ledger lines push dynamics into collisions but your technique will give me a good base line to start from.
My next set of questions will be about Page Margins vs Staff Margins when I need to make more room on a page, but I'll RTFM before asking.
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Patrick O'Keefe
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Posted by Patrick O'Keefe - 01 Jun 11:01PM Hide picture I was wrong about my next set of questions being about margins. I'm still on staff and system spacing. What is the difference between staff spacing and system spacing in a part listing for a single (that is, not grand) staff instrument. The two spacing settings seem to have different effect even though each system is a single staff (or vice versa).
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Patrick O'Keefe
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Posted by Justin at Sibelius - 02 Jun 02:49PM Hide picture One thing that should be fixed in this score is the Staff Justification value. It was set to 90% which is very high. Set it to something like 60% and the staves will fill the first page as they should.
If you reduce the space between staves a bit, try 7 spaces, and adjust the gaps for system objects like Robin mentioned, you can get a much better layout.
In regard to your questions about staff vs system in a part, the staff spacing will have no effect. That value only adjusts the space between staves *within* a system. So if the system is only a single staff that value is of no use. The system spacing will give you the minimum distance between the single staves in a single-staff part.
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Posted by Patrick O'Keefe - 02 Jun 04:18PM (edited 02 Jun 04:18PM) Hide picture > One thing that should be fixed in this score is the Staff Justification value. It was set to 90% which is very high. Set it to something like 60% and the staves will fill the first page as they should.
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In the past I've found the small (e.g., 60%) justification values really messed up score appearance. Having it set very high - 90-100% (in other words, disabling the function) - made things better. That may have been from something else I had wrong. Now it appears to have impact on only the first and last page. (I guess that's expected since most of the other pages are pretty full.) With luck I've attached two screen shots of the last page - one with 60% justification; the other with 100%. I think the 100% one looks much more reasonable.
> If you reduce the space between staves a bit, try 7 spaces, and adjust the gaps for system objects like Robin mentioned, you can get a much better layout.
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> In regard to your questions about staff vs system in a part, the staff spacing will have no effect. That value only adjusts the space between staves *within* a system. So if the system is only a single staff that value is of no use. The system spacing will give you the minimum distance between the single staves in a single-staff part.
What you say makes sense but doesn't match with what I see in my parts listings. For some reason the space between staves value DOES have an effect, but it seems to be a different effect than the space between systems has.
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Patrick O'Keefe
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Posted by Justin at Sibelius - 02 Jun 07:32PM Hide picture Of course, in that isolated case you only have two systems on the page, so that's not enough to reasonably fill the page. Some clever placement of system breaks would allow for three systems and then it would look fine. You have to carefully tune justification value vs. staff spacing and system spacing. There's no "right" answer since so much is dependent on how many staves you have, the page size, the staff size, the system bracket setup, and the density of the music.
Can you attach a picture of the parts issue you're seeing? That sounds more suspicious to me.
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Posted by Patrick O'Keefe - 02 Jun 09:38PM (edited 02 Jun 09:39PM) Hide picture OK. Spacing in parts.
Spacing #1 - Staves 5.50, Systems 10.00 - the base line
Spacing #2 - Staves 10.50, Systems 10.00
Spacing has increased between all staves.
Spacing #3 - Staves 5.50, Systems 15.00
Spacing has increased between the 3rd and 4th staves.
After doing an Optimize Selection, Reset Space Above, and Reset Space Below, the behavior is quite different. In my test sample, changing Spaces Between Staves does nothing at all; changing Spacing Between Systems changes the spacing between systems. (Duh!)
However, if I take a part with staves filling the page, changing staff spacing DOES have an effect. I have to do more testing (which I don't have time for right now), but I suspect the effect kicks in when the spacing between staves is greater than the spacing between systems.
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