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Tom,
I think you are trying to reinvent the wheel! Sentek (www.sentek.com.au)
spent a lot of effort into designing probes and methods of installing them.
Unless the soil is full of stones, they work well. I remember standing on
elevated planks of wood installing probes in research plots where it was
vital not to disturb the surface soil. I have not been involved with Sentek
for 5 years, but I think the probes and the installation kit have probably
been refined even further.
Expensive? May be - but you get what you pay for!
Rupert
Rupert Knowles
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The researchers will decide what depths. Budgets may limit the depths to
3.....like 6", 18" and 50". There are treatments and replications.
I think my tool for installing the sensors would work well with your
sensors.....inserting the probes in a slit down deep.
The soil is a loam, as I recall, with a distinct caliche layer across most
of the 20 or so acres, according to the other researcher.
I am coming in after the experiment design, but I believe they wish to
develop water balance's for the different species, and probably crop
coefficients.
The New Mexico State has developed some such for a few trees, including
Mesquite, which is very interesting.
Tom A. Reynolds, CID
Water Balance, LLC
Tempe, AZ
(602) 463-5072
www.waterbalance.net
I think the only monitoring techniques that can be excused to let the
surface be influenced by a 2" protrusion is the neutron probe since it
reads a sphere about the size of a volleyball (or basketball,
depending on the VMC). I was always struck by the designer's disregard
for the obvious impacts directly above the realm of detection with the
Sentek system. Another version (AquaSpy) seem to have the same
problem, especially in turf. How can you have a big void at the center
of the reading realm (zero water use column), which does not use water
without changing the VMC inches away from the void? What would happen
if instead the detection was immediately in contact with a 2" column
ofhigh-retention sponge material. See where I'm going with this? For
the researchers that pressed me on this, and I concurred, we prefer
zero surface affects.
So, thanks for the input, but I think I'll continue improving "the
wheel."
On Jan 6, 7:51 pm, "Rupert Knowles" <r.know...@aspects.net> wrote:
> Tom,
> I think you are trying to reinvent the wheel! Sentek (www.sentek.com.au)
> spent a lot of effort into designing probes and methods of installing them.
> Unless the soil is full of stones, they work well. I remember standing on
> elevated planks of wood installing probes in research plots where it was
> vital not to disturb the surface soil. I have not been involved with Sentek
> for 5 years, but I think the probes and the installation kit have probably
> been refined even further.
> Expensive? May be - but you get what you pay for!
> Rupert
>
> Rupert Knowles
> Horticulture and Forestry Consultant
> +93 (0)799 652 659
> +44 (0)7704 444 218
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>
> - Show quoted text -
Jean,
Empirical evidence of many, many trees irrigated with drip system, bubbles, and sprinklers, either dug up, water-vacuumed, or blow over explains most of what you allude to. Dr. Jimmy Tipton (UofA) did a 3 year study on the root development under different emitter layouts and irrigation treatments. I am certain the researchers are aware if it. I recall observing the many different soil moisture depletion accounting (using a N.P.) in cotton, in the same fields, year after year.....notably cotton and wheat. I recall the lead research (Dr. Schuck) saying she agreed with me that 18" depth was the most reliable "high use" part of the profile. We also believe that one sensor below what we believe to be the management extents, like at 48", would stand as the depth we could begin to define as deep percolation. I believe we must deploy adequate numbers of sensors for a landscape, and then determine and describe site's unique characteristic…for those that will assume the reins behind us. Modeling and design assumptions only get you in the ball park. I'm all for routine monitoring when reasonable (sagacious).
The researchers work may be aimed at trying to establish a water balance model for the different species, tantamount to lysimeter investigations. This will be useful for design, but not what I would use to manage plant establishment or years 0.5 to 10. I happen to believe, after Year 10, nobody knows where (a boundary on a map) an individual tree acquires all of its water....actually year 6 - 9 is pretty dubious also.
As you probably know, as advocated by others, once an orchard (or even a large residential landscape with many species) achieves 60% cover, we move away from individual plant water management to management unit management. One of the odd things about our xeriscapes in Phoenix, Tucson, Coachella, and Las Vegas, we may never obtain landscape canopy coverage greater than 40% or 50%. Makes me want to go out there with a trencher and cut-off all those wander's to a nice radius around each plant.
Another thing is what we believe about drip irrigation's wetted onions. As an ag-extensionist and I discussed a long time ago, we monitor soil moisture in a particular way around representative emitters. The soil moisture depletion intensity within, and at the fringe of the wetted onion should develop a behavioral response to more or less frequency and volume, relative to climate. One can observe an expanding wetted onion over time, which could be interpreted to mean irrigation applications above plant demands. And contracting wetted onions (mostly in the X-Y planes) a sign of deficit irrigation. It's a nice concept anyway. Cheers !!
Thank you for the informative and kind reply. I'm happy to offer suggestions and my experience whether you are using Campbell Scientific sensors or not. It's a big challenge to install soil water sensors in an existing study area with minimum disturbance.
I can suggest that it be remembered that soil structure will rejuvenate after some number of hydration/dehydration or freeze/thaw cycles. So maybe make this a reminder point to the investigators. It's important to locate the sensors in the best place to monitor water content and accept that there will be some disturbance. This tree study is apparently a long term one and the disturbance effects will effectively be amortized over time. The geometry of some sensor is better than others for recovery from disturbance. Recovery from installation of simple straight rods will be the quickest.
My regards,
Jim
Jim Bilskie, Ph.D.
Soil Physicist
Campbell Scientific, Inc.
Tom A. Reynolds, CID
Water Balance, LLC
Tempe, AZ
(602) 463-5072
www.waterbalance.net
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Hi, Tom:
My regards,
Jim
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