FILES ALWAYS BLOCKED BY OWNERS ONLY TO MAKE MONEY

[den...@gmail.com]

HI, GUYS, I AM HERE TO ASK THE CREATOR / OWNER OF THE SOULSEEK SYSTEM

 TO REMOVE THE CONDITION OF 'FILE NOT SHARED'.

ALL FILES THAT I SEARCHING FOR (RARE TRACKS) GOES INTO THAT KIND OF BLOCK.

IF YOU WRITE TO THE OWNER OF THE FILE, HE GENTLY ANSWERS:: 

10 DOLLARS PER TRACK IF YOU WANT THAT SONG TOO MUCH.

HERE IS FOR SHARE, ISN'T IT ?

NOT BLOCKING ITEMS LIKE IT WAS AT BEGINNING, 

 IF YOU DON´T LIKE THIS WAY, GO OUT !

MODERATOR, ONE DAY YOU KEEP THINKING WHY PEOPLE

 ARE DISBANDING FROM SOULSEEK..

THERE ARE ON THE NET , CREATED ONLY LAST YEAR,

 6 (six) SHARING FILE SYSTEMS

LIKE YOURS AND ALL  FREE.

THINK ABOUT IT...

DENYS P.R.

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[faircity]

As I've said before it's not 10 euro per track. It's access to files for a month. Mainly promo's. There files are nicely categorised & upto date. FTP access usually also.
Gladly pay 10euro for ther hard work. What are the other sharing software you talk about:????

[den...@gmail.com]

I Think I have to draw ...

The Files I search on soulSeek goes to people who are selling the songs..

Since the beginning all people that I know told me Soulseek didn't sell anything.

This behaviour was rejected by the main owner and banned at all.

SoulSeek is not a place to sell things, is to share.

Do you know the meaning of the word  "SHARE"  ?

SHARE IS FREE, almost equal.

Think About...

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[Nir Arbel]

I agree this practice isn't ideal. Maybe there's room for it in small doses, I don't know. If it becomes too widespread, I'll consider hiding privately shared files by default. In the meantime denspyr, you can toggle it yourself by unchecking the 'Show privately shared files...' options under Options->File Sharing.

[Milton Bradley]

I've never encountered such a person with unshared files. Some people only share with other people, or if you ask them nicely, and find that you have similar tastes in music after browsing your stuff, will unlock you. This I had happen often. Also some people who never ever answer me, but that's okay. Better than being asked 10 bucks for 1 track...

I got some  very rare stuff and I do not lock  my sharing, but I have no caps and a 100/100mbps FTTH connection, I mostly get compliments about how crazy fast my uploading speed is....if I ever saw people asking for money over locked files, I would contact the owners directly through the contact link on the website.

[noelbri...@gmail.com]

i quite often find songs hidden behind padlocks. no one has yet asked me for any money, and if they do they will not be getting it. if i get asked for money for something ill make it my mission to source it myself and share it here for free, f**k them and f**ck that.

[xoxidometry]

Very wrong. It's work, but it's an inglorious one. And I'd be supporting artists firstly..

[ronald Van den berg]

I'm on soulseek for a very long time and never have experienced this. Just ignore the person and go on and have patience...no need at all to change the program.

[swi...@gmail.com]

I, too, have never encountered that "issue". Still, I think there's nothing wrong with that. Everybody can do whatever her/she wants. If you don't like a particular user or his policies, don't browse him and move on. If you don't want to pay, you don't have to. Simple.

A far bigger problem are the people on the opposide side ... the downloaders / leechers. If you have a nice collection that you spent a lot of time organizing and you dare to share it all publicly, you will get overwhelmed with leechers downloading complete folders within minutes. I only share my files with users I add to my list. I don't share publicly. And I'm on Soulseek because it gives me the ability to do that. DC++ didn't so I left that platform completely.

[panarch...@gmail.com]

possibly a workaround could be done for people who donate to also be-able to download from private shares. (I would;d support this)

however I do use the feature myself to share private files to my daughter (usually daft TV programs my daughter has missed and i have access to) that i dont really want other people downloading from me hogging my que for hrs while large files are transfered.

[Milton Bradley]

Songs behind padlocks is just having only share with friends checked, it's what I meant. Selling songs 10 bucks is crazy, might as well go on discogs and buy the rare physical record/cd/whatever. I don't think people should be allowed to do that...like the secret rooms where people share porn.

[swi...@gmail.com]

People shouldn't be allowed to sell songs for 10 bucks? But they should be allowed to share stuff for free? Sorry buddy, think about what you're saying. Let's face it, most stuff shared via Soulseek is copyrighted, so it is technically illegal to do what you're doing anyway (sharing / downloading). If anything, it's less illegal if you keep your files locked than if you share them freely for everybody to download.

Just get used to the fact that people can chose what they want and don't want to share for free. If you don't want to pay 10 bucks for a song then just don't do it. You don't pay for using Soulseek either so just move on or add the user to the "ban list" so you never see him and his search results anymore.

[Milton Bradley]

It's legal in Canada to share music files. Supreme Court decision in 2005. Still stands, that's why CD-R's are more expensive than DVD-R's (which is kind of dumb, I got a dvd player in my car stereo that can read dvd music files and figure out the folders. But that's not the majority of people. So that doesn't even apply to me what you're jabbering about. Anyway, I never encountered it, but I would troll the fuck out of somebody doing that. What next, sell them for bitcoin? The logic the Supreme Court here used is that it's not stealing to make a copy, although if you make a profit, like burning games to DVD and bringing 'em to a flea market for sale, that's a whole other thing. Only the US and UK has insane laws regarding this, don't spread your problem to others. It's literally different levels of morality downwards to charge for music you don't own, even if you own the real record and it's your rip.

[Milton Bradley]

Isn't supporting soulseek financially, which I have done a few times in the past, supposed to unlock these? Or  it just puts you ahead in the queues despite arriving 600 in the queue list originally. Also, slsk hasn't been under so much scrutiny because it's always been much more about underground music and those bands/artists don't mind sharing if it means bigger live shows, where the money really is, especially for non-major label ones. But yeah, I'm not as outraged as OP, suggestions made by the last 2 of you  make sense, but I rather find people who just have very large collections like me, who usually want to see what you got before delocking their files to you. Most of them respond...those who don't are entitled bitches but eh I don't make a huge case out of it. I would be really pissed off to be asked money for  unlocking, bitcoin fractions would maybe make more sense, for the whole album, EP, etc., with real money they get to know a real bank account if it's through anything else but paypal, and even then they'll get your real name, sounds like a fishing expedition to me. But even though I'm Canadian, I'm really a kitty over there... :

[faircity]

They are not selling 1 song for 10$. They are selling there hard work orginsing and cataloging promos etc. I use this service all the time & I am very glad
there is such user's out there. I said this many times before just stop complaining about it and move on but do donate to the client it's self. We would be
very lost without it & yes donating puts up to the top of the que

[asd]

If you have a nice collection that you spent a lot of time organizing, that's great!  Why do you choose to sit alone with it in a dark cave like Gollum?  Allowing others to download from you costs you NOTHING.  Others could then share those files to others, and so on, supporting the health of the network!  Yeah you will get leechers, but who cares?  IT COSTS YOU NOTHING!!  Of course not everyone will stay on slsk and keep sharing all the time, but some do.  If everyone shares, everyone benefits -- if people keep their files under lock, the slsk network will slowly die.  This is happening right now.  I see more and more of this selfish behaviour, while slsk becomes less and less useful.  Shame on all of you who are destroying the spirit of sharing.

I'm happy to upload to almost anyone. What I really want to see is an option to ban ONLY the people who have locked shares, because you suck.

[swi...@gmail.com]

The fact that some people spent a lot of time organizing means that these people are serious about music and are not some kids or losers running around downloading random music just to listen to it for 1 week and then move on. And I guarantee you that these serious people "live for music", so they have GOOD collections with RARE songs/releases. And they are also always looking for music they want. And I also guarantee you that these people already have the most common stuff, so they are mostly looking for more rare songs/releases. And they will NEVER get these songs if they don't FORCE people to help them. They often BUY the good/rare songs (which you want to download from them for FREE). If they shared everything for free, everybody would just download all their gems, and nobody would help them get what they want. This is simply because 90% of people are "bottom feeders", "small fish", or "kids" who are useless to them. Collectors are not on Soulseek so that they can feed you. They are here to also find what they want. And because they want more rare / exclusive / hard to find stuff, they need to find "power people" who are able to help them get what they want, and they need to filter the useless leechers. And they do it by locking files and writing rules in their User Info. By the way, User Info is something most people don't bother reading. All they know how to do is download. Anyway, locking files and writing User Info is a good way to filter out useless users. Good users will easily be able to get in contact with the owner and make some kind of a deal. And that's what they want. They want useful people to exchange with, not losers who just download.

And it does COST them. Is COSTS them TIME and it COSTS them WORK and it COSTS them MONEY to get all the good collections, and it COSTS them ELECTRICITY to sit here and let you leech from them. They have the songs you want because they WORKED for it or BOUGHT it. If you don't understand this concept then you're lust a low-level user who doens't have any quality stuff to offer. There are enough low-level users with open collections where you can find "stuff". Big collectors don't care about you or your ban. You have nothing to offer them anyway. Actually they prefer to stay away from you because all you do is leech.

[backl...@gmail.com]

Actually people is making money showing their files in soulseek and selling outside. Using a free music sharing program to put their music business inside and of course the consequences are against soulseek and their users. I think the best option is ban this people. 

[backl...@gmail.com]

And im not talking about particulars, individual people, i'm talking about people promoting their music trade websites in soulseek while sharing nothing and asking for money

[Divyansh]

what is your username, i want to take a look at your rare music

[Freon Sandoz]

I couldn't agree more. In my opinion, the option to make files visible but not shared is one of the worst features of Soulseek. I first encountered the notion of sharing only with people who have something you want on FTP MP3 servers 25 years ago. It simply doesn't work. Suppose A has something B wants, but B has nothing A wants. B has something C wants, but C has nothing B wants. C has something A wants, but A has nothing C wants. If everyone shares everything, they'll all get what they want. Otherwise, it's unlikely that any of them will get anything. I haven't had any luck getting users to share locked files, so I simply block all users that have locked files that I want.

[wolfman1360]

I always block these people. They're not worth my time or effort.

It's unfortunate so many people have decided to be selfish and defeat the purpose of what made  soulseek a once amazing service - a service to share music for the people, by the people. It is unfortunately no longer the case.

Why in the world would I pay some random stranger to get music that they themselves probably got for free, or for less money? If someone wants to share their own music there are plenty of services to sell it legally these days, and if I like it I'd probably buy it, if it meant supporting the underdog artist.

[Nir Arbel]

There are currently options not to show locked files in search results and browsed shares. What's your opinion about not showing locked files in search results by default in the next build?

[Mart Wedder]

Did you look in the user info? In my user info you find:

You share your own files collection? You are welcome here.

Send me a message and I will add you to my userslist.

No more than 2 CD's at once please!

I did this because there a lots of people who didn't share and only download lots of files.

And I have many nice downloaders in this way.

 

Op dinsdag 4 juni 2024 om 02:26:08 UTC+2 schreef Nir Arbel:

[Brian Foster]

It is EVIL of soulseek to allow people to lock their files!  This is a file sharing service!  Not a forced to pay money or forced to trade service!

[nur...@gmail.com]

Not sure id go that far to say it was evil. While i don't have insider knowledge, i would suspect Nir's intent is good. "hey im sharing a folder with all my stuff, but really don't want to share a couple of those files in there".   Ya, i totally agree that its being abused by some, and ya, all one has to do is move the files to avoid sharing things you don't want to.    

Even if the "feature" isn't removed, id vote at least the files cant show up in search/browse. ( not just being able to hide them as a client setting, but actually a hard stop )

[KCSunshine]

My god the level of  blind privilege in this thread is insane... You're all complaining that your illegal piracy FTP is doing illegal piracy stuff.  Soulseek isn't run like a socialist paradise. Even if it pretends that it is. Just buy the music to begin with if you're getting your feelings hurt by people in a free market doing free market stuff. 

[nur...@gmail.com]

You just proved our point by your attitude. Those that do this, suck and should be banned from the network. And i bet you are one of them.

[anencephalic]

Yes Nir, please make locked-file-hiding the default. I think it would solve almost all the problems revealed in this discussion. 

As you’ve indicated, users can already set the toggle themselves, as I did long ago, and live blissfully thereafter. But as this thread demonstrates, many don’t and get hyperbolically incensed instead. If the box is pre-checked for them, their blood pressure needn’t rise to such dangerous levels. 

I suspect that most users don’t explore the many options to customize your client app and never will. I know from direct experience that there are trolls on the network who use locked files to lure folks into begging sessions. When users can see the bait of locked rare filenames, this gives the trolls the upper hand. Some are mean and abusive, some demand tolls and this leads to the high level of dissatisfaction seen here. Presetting the toggle would significantly limit the trolls’ ability to lure and I believe it would eliminate the practice overnight. Ok, so not overnight, but as the new client gets distributed.

So my vote is to make the change and the sooner, the better.

Cheers and thanks for keeping the longest running P2P file-sharing network alive.

[nur...@gmail.com]

If it wont be removed totally to prevent the practice, how about an option to auto-block anyone that has locked files?

[Malik Jefferson]

aint no auto block for the next update the next update is removed lockers files from wav/flac for free no money its nir and my rules no money by the way CDM-Addicted is a asshole bye

[Malik Jefferson]

not gonna happen with the auto block aka locker files on the next update so shut up cracker

[nur...@gmail.com]

Nothing else, this thread has bought a lot of hypocrisy to the surface. Pretty sad the excuses people make for justification of profit. 

[Malik Jefferson]

It is so shut up u crackers

[nur...@gmail.com]

Thanks for proving my point, yet again.      And in your case, i should also add the term racist.

[IKAROS 420]

"And im not talking about particulars, individual people, i'm talking about people promoting their music trade websites in soulseek while sharing nothing and asking for money"

yep, saw this for the first time a few days ago, an account claiming to be a bot ran by a site (i think the username involved punk or something like that, i can't remember exactly) downloading some of my rare cover art and listing all their music files as locked. Seems rather anti-community or at the very least anti-soulseek.