IDE controller?
Jojo
i am running NetBSD 1.4.2 on a Power Computing PowerTowerPro and i was
wondering if there is a possibility to add an IDE controller so i can make
use of these really cheap big IDE drives out there? if you have any info on
which controller does the trick i would be greatful.
Joachim Anderson
oh... and there is one more question.... in order to set up the machine as a
router for my cable service to connect my other 2 macs to the internet, do i
need a second network card?
thx a lot....
Kevan Olhausen
suggestions and it appears as if it almost works save I get a "bad partition
number; using 0" message although I've tried several combinations of
scsi-int/sd@1:0. After that message comes up it just stops loading after
telling me that "there's no active package". Does anyone know anyone else
who's gotten this to work on a 9500? Do you know what the "db>" prompt is
used for? Thanks a lot.
John Klos
Hello,
> oh... and there is one more question.... in order to set up the machine as a
> router for my cable service to connect my other 2 macs to the internet, do i
> need a second network card?
> thx a lot....
Strictly speaking, you can use one ethernet, get your DHCP lease from the
cable modem, alias a non-routable network (I use 192.168.1.x) IP, and
route through that. However, that means that TCP traffic goes across the
same ethernet twice (from cable to router Mac, from router Mac to other
Macs).
However, lots of PCI ethernet cards work just fine. I put in a 3com 3c905,
and it is recognised and works without issue. The Realtek 8139 are pretty
cheap, as are other common NE-2000 PCI cards. Good luck.
John Klos
Henry B. Hotz
>i am running NetBSD 1.4.2 on a Power Computing PowerTowerPro and i was
>wondering if there is a possibility to add an IDE controller so i can make
>use of these really cheap big IDE drives out there? if you have any info on
>which controller does the trick i would be greatful.
No particular information.
If the card is supported on the PC port you have a chance. In order
to boot through the card it needs Open Firmware support which is
unlikely, but possible if the card is sold for use on Mac's.
>oh... and there is one more question.... in order to set up the machine as a
>router for my cable service to connect my other 2 macs to the internet, do i
>need a second network card?
>thx a lot....
I presume you have found the IPFilter HowTo.
No it's not necessary, but if you don't have a second card then every
packet travels the wire twice. That seems inelegant and could be a
performance problem if you have a faster than standard line.
Shouldn't be a problem for a basic DSL line.
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Henry B. Hotz
I'm in the same boat.
I'm suspicous that it has something to do with the nvramrc patches,
since it was after I downloaded System Disk and ran it that I started
having these problems, but OTOH I have the same problem at home where
I've only ever used Boot Variables.
(Note: In a previous post I said I had independently edited System
Disk on my work 7500 and my home 8500. Wrong. Sorry about the
noise.)
I haven't noticed this, but do you only get the "no active package"
message after the "bad partition number" message and not before?
I need to pay more attention to these ordering issues since it seems
to me that part of my problem may be that OF does not clean up after
an error properly. Hence I may have falsely ruled out valid
procedures.
I've never seen the db> prompt.
Michael Wolfson
:)I'm in the same boat.
:)
:)I'm suspicous that it has something to do with the nvramrc patches,
:)since it was after I downloaded System Disk and ran it that I started
:)having these problems, but OTOH I have the same problem at home where
:)I've only ever used Boot Variables.
Zapping the PRAM will clear all nvram patches. Command-Option-P-R. After
resetting the PRAM, all OF settings will be returned to default and it'll
start booting MacOS. So, you'll need to do the Command-Option-O-F again to
set things up again.
:)I haven't noticed this, but do you only get the "no active package"
:)message after the "bad partition number" message and not before?
I've never seen this before, but could it be related to having console set
as screen/kbd? Various 1.0.5 and 2.X machines have problems with
screen/kbd and must use a serial port for console.
Good luck,
-- MW
Henry B. Hotz
>At 9:21 PM -0700 7/16/00, Henry B. Hotz wrote:
>
>:)I'm in the same boat.
>:)
>:)I'm suspicous that it has something to do with the nvramrc patches,
>:)since it was after I downloaded System Disk and ran it that I started
>:)having these problems, but OTOH I have the same problem at home where
>:)I've only ever used Boot Variables.
>
>Zapping the PRAM will clear all nvram patches. Command-Option-P-R. After
>resetting the PRAM, all OF settings will be returned to default and it'll
>start booting MacOS. So, you'll need to do the Command-Option-O-F again to
>set things up again.
And then I'll have to run System Disk or Boot Variables in order to
get back into OF with kbd & /chaos/control. Don't have a serial
option handy here.
In case I didn't say so the main machine I'm worried about is a 7500
with 604 (OF 1.0.5) and the 1.5 alpha tarballs from the iso image. I
think the install floppy used was the one from Feburary.
What I think is wierd is that everything seemed to be working fine
until I installed MacOS on a spare 80MB disk and downloaded System
Disk. I was only able to boot into NetBSD after I set use-nvramrc?
to false after that. Of course I lost the more stable screen and
presumably the power-on booting when I did that.
>I've never seen this before, but could it be related to having console set
>as screen/kbd? Various 1.0.5 and 2.X machines have problems with
>screen/kbd and must use a serial port for console.
That's really not an appetizing option. Thanks for reminding me though.
Chris
> hi there,
>
> i am running NetBSD 1.4.2 on a Power Computing PowerTowerPro and i was
> wondering if there is a possibility to add an IDE controller so i can make
> use of these really cheap big IDE drives out there? if you have any info on
> which controller does the trick i would be greatful.
>
> Joachim Anderson
Promax, www.promax.com has a Dual Channel+master/slave support Ultra
ATA/33 PCI IDE card that is marked for Mac only. *I do not know* if that
means that it has OFW support that would allow you to boot from an HD from
OFW or *even if the chipset is supported.* For $40 I've been thinking about
buying it. Perhaps you should inquire with Promax tech support. AFAIK they
are the only company that sells an IDE card that *might* be bootable from
OFW. If you don't need to boot from that card, anything PCI that works with
1.4.2 on i386 should work for MacPPC, otherwise you'll probably need to
upgrade to -current or backport the newer IDE additions. In other words: it
*should* work once NetBSD is booted and might be bootable from that card.
At the last Apple presentation I saw, their B&W G3 had the very same
Promax card inside for their digital video work with Final Cut Pro. I didn't
get the chance to play in OFW or see if the drive was listed in Startup Disk
:(
Chris
Chris
like:
> At 12:35 AM -0700 7/16/00, Kevan Olhausen wrote:
>> scsi-int/sd@1:0. After that message comes up it just stops loading after
Shouldn't it be scsi-int/sd@X:[filename if needed],[partition number]
translating what you have should be scsi-int/sd@1:,0
> I'm in the same boat.
>
> I'm suspicous that it has something to do with the nvramrc patches,
> since it was after I downloaded System Disk and ran it that I started
> having these problems, but OTOH I have the same problem at home where
> I've only ever used Boot Variables.
Not likely, do you have the boot-device, boot-file, and load size set
correctly?
> I haven't noticed this, but do you only get the "no active package"
I get this when booting the floppy image from 1.4.1 (boot.fs) it's
harmless AFAIK.
> I need to pay more attention to these ordering issues since it seems
> to me that part of my problem may be that OF does not clean up after
> an error properly. Hence I may have falsely ruled out valid
> procedures.
It certainly doesn't with IDE/ATA devices IMHO :)
> I've never seen the db> prompt.
db> is the NetBSD Kernel debugger. The only way you can get that is if
the netbsd had indeed loaded, if you're getting no active package, then I
think the kernel is indeed running. It sounds like your system is running,
but you just can't see anything and it has no place to output to so it jumps
back to the debugger. I'm rather baffled by that.
Chris
Henry B. Hotz
>on 7/17/00 12:21 AM, Henry B. Hotz at ho...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote something
>like:
>
> > At 12:35 AM -0700 7/16/00, Kevan Olhausen wrote:
> >> scsi-int/sd@1:0. After that message comes up it just stops loading after
>
> Shouldn't it be scsi-int/sd@X:[filename if needed],[partition number]
>translating what you have should be scsi-int/sd@1:,0
No. It's sd@<target ID>:<partition number>,<filename>. For ATA
disks the target can be 0 or 1 (master or slave). For SCSI target is
the scsi ID.
> > I'm suspicous that it has something to do with the nvramrc patches,
> > since it was after I downloaded System Disk and ran it that I started
> > having these problems, but OTOH I have the same problem at home where
> > I've only ever used Boot Variables.
>
> Not likely, do you have the boot-device, boot-file, and load size set
>correctly?
AFAIK.
> > I haven't noticed this, but do you only get the "no active package"
>
> I get this when booting the floppy image from 1.4.1 (boot.fs) it's
>harmless AFAIK.
Whenever I get that message I sometimes get some numbers like it's
trying to load an executable, but then it just dies and I have to do
the three-finger salute. I think sometimes it returns without
attempting a load, but I can't remember for sure.
> > I need to pay more attention to these ordering issues since it seems
> > to me that part of my problem may be that OF does not clean up after
> > an error properly. Hence I may have falsely ruled out valid
> > procedures.
>
> It certainly doesn't with IDE/ATA devices IMHO :)
>
> > I've never seen the db> prompt.
>
> db> is the NetBSD Kernel debugger. The only way you can get that is if
>the netbsd had indeed loaded, if you're getting no active package, then I
>think the kernel is indeed running. It sounds like your system is running,
>but you just can't see anything and it has no place to output to so it jumps
>back to the debugger. I'm rather baffled by that.
I thought you were talking about an OF thing. I've always died
inside OF, or gone to full multi-user.
Chris
> thx a lot dude.... nice flow of info here :)
>
> Joachim
No problem, I wrote Promax Tech support out of my own interest and he
responded:
> Hi,
> You can boot from EIDE drive attachs to Turbomax card..
>
> B/W G3 and G4 does not have problem with EIDE drive or ATA bus
From that, I gather that yes it can be booted from OpenFirmware;
possibly B&W G3's or G4's only, but I doubt that if the fcode was written
correctly. I asked him what chip the card was based on but he didn't answer.
In all likely hood, it is fully supported by NetBSD. If not, well with the
proper documentation in the right hands and free time, "Support should not
be too hard to add."
Hope that helps.
Chris