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Jim Ferr

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Jul 11, 2000, 3:00:00 AM7/11/00
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Yes, this is yet another post from someone having difficulty with the
installation process. In this case, however, I have the boot floppy and
the ISO CD and the installation proceeds without error. The following two
paragraphs are from the install document:

>- After all the files have been unpacked, go back to the main menu and
>select reboot, after you have removed the bootfloppy from the drive.
>
>- NetBSD will now boot.

I'm hung up on the phrase "NetBSD will now boot". Sorry, but is doesn't
boot. I get the hard drive with question mark icon on the screen.
Needless to say this is rather annoying after getting this far. I posted
two similar requests for help to this list in the past couple of weeks
but so far no one has replied. Anyone?

More detail: Installed on a Power Mac 7600/120 with 2GB drive. Did the
SystemDisk thing to make Open Firmware use the keyboard and monitor. Boot
floppy worked fine.

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Jim Ferr, Support Analyst, Apple Canada
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gabriel rosenkoetter

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Jul 11, 2000, 3:00:00 AM7/11/00
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On Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 11:20:03AM -0400, Jim Ferr wrote:
> Yes, this is yet another post from someone having difficulty with the
> installation process. In this case, however, I have the boot floppy and
> the ISO CD and the installation proceeds without error. The following two
> paragraphs are from the install document:
>
> >- After all the files have been unpacked, go back to the main menu and
> >select reboot, after you have removed the bootfloppy from the drive.
> >
> >- NetBSD will now boot.
>
> I'm hung up on the phrase "NetBSD will now boot". Sorry, but is doesn't
> boot. I get the hard drive with question mark icon on the screen.
> Needless to say this is rather annoying after getting this far. I posted
> two similar requests for help to this list in the past couple of weeks
> but so far no one has replied. Anyone?

http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/macppc/faq.html#boot-disk

This really, really, really needs to be changed in INSTALL.

We'll stop seeing the FAQ if our documentation resembles correctness.

~ g r @ eclipsed.net

John Klos

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Jul 11, 2000, 3:00:00 AM7/11/00
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> >- NetBSD will now boot.
>
> I'm hung up on the phrase "NetBSD will now boot". Sorry, but is doesn't
> boot. I get the hard drive with question mark icon on the screen.
> Needless to say this is rather annoying after getting this far. I posted
> two similar requests for help to this list in the past couple of weeks
> but so far no one has replied. Anyone?

As I'm still waiting for more information to make my install possible, I
can only guess based upon my experience with NetBSD-Amiga.

After your install, you probably need to run System Disk again (bootable
Zip, perhaps?) or do the command line Open Firmware thing. But remember
you're now booting your kernel from whatever partiton you installed it to,
so you may need to change the partition number.

Actually, I don't know if reading so much documentation has made me
stir crazy, but I can't remember ever seeing anything about (1) booting
after install, or (2) any implication that any Mac or Open Firmware stuff
recognises NetBSD partitions.

A clarification is in order. Can Open Firmware boot from a NetBSD disk
(partition)? Or is everyone booting their kernel from a floppy or CD?

Thanks,
John Klos


gabriel rosenkoetter

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Jul 11, 2000, 3:00:00 AM7/11/00
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On Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 12:18:17PM -0400, John Klos wrote:
> As I'm still waiting for more information to make my install possible, I
> can only guess based upon my experience with NetBSD-Amiga.
>
> After your install, you probably need to run System Disk again (bootable
> Zip, perhaps?) or do the command line Open Firmware thing. But remember
> you're now booting your kernel from whatever partiton you installed it to,
> so you may need to change the partition number.

Nope, though I guess running system disk periodically is cool if
you're actually changing things (and changing them correctly). Running
it to install the same damn thing won't have any effect (well, unless
you've zapped your paramenter RAM between then and now).

> Actually, I don't know if reading so much documentation has made me
> stir crazy, but I can't remember ever seeing anything about (1) booting
> after install, or (2) any implication that any Mac or Open Firmware stuff
> recognises NetBSD partitions.

It's in the FAQ, as I just emailed the list. It's necessary to run
installboot to make the disk bootable in the case of the guy asking
about a 7600. Yes, sysinst should maybe do this for you, but, since
it's not the same routine on different versions of OF, things will
probably stay as they are. (For instance, your machine, a B&W G3 if
memory serves, will have to load ofwboot.elf from a floppy, CD, or
HFS(+) partition.)

> A clarification is in order. Can Open Firmware boot from a NetBSD disk
> (partition)? Or is everyone booting their kernel from a floppy or CD?

Certainly, once there's some kind of bootstrap code in memory (my
machine is a 7500, so I get this off the drive):

NetBSD 1.4R (URIEL) #1: Fri Mar 3 16:01:27 EST 2000

g...@uriel.eclipsed.net:/usr/src/syssrc/sys/arch/macppc/compile/URIEL
CPU: 750 (Revision 202)
total memory = 288 MB
avail memory = 270 MB
using 1024 buffers containing 4096 KB of memory
mainbus0 (root)
cpu0 at mainbus0
[...]
scsibus1: waiting 2 seconds for devices to settle...
scsibus0: waiting 2 seconds for devices to settle...
sd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: <QUANTUM, FIREBALL_TM2110S, 300X> SCSI2 0/direct fixed
sd0: 2014 MB, 6810 cyl, 4 head, 151 sec, 512 bytes/sect x 4124736 sectors
sd1 at scsibus0 targ 1 lun 0: <QUANTUM, FIREBALL SE6.4S, PJ0A> SCSI2 0/direct fixed
sd1: 6149 MB, 7637 cyl, 6 head, 274 sec, 512 bytes/sect x 12594960 sectors
cd0 at scsibus0 targ 3 lun 0: <MATSHITA, CD-ROM CR-8024, 2.0f> SCSI2 5/cdrom removable
boot device: sd1
root on sd1a dumps on sd1b
sd1: NetBSD disklabel
sd1: NetBSD disklabel

Henry B. Hotz

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Jul 13, 2000, 3:00:00 AM7/13/00
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At 12:18 PM -0400 7/11/00, John Klos wrote:
>A clarification is in order. Can Open Firmware boot from a NetBSD disk
>(partition)? Or is everyone booting their kernel from a floppy or CD?

The simple answer is no. But as I just said in another email we can
frequently boot ofwboot.* from something that OF can boot and worst
case we *should* be able to boot bootxx from OF.


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