freebsd-chat-digest V5 #709
owner-freebs...@freebsd.org
freebsd-chat-digest Friday, February 21 2003 Volume 05 : Number 709
In this issue:
RE: The FreeBSD Jive Copyright
Re: Open source (was RE: Hi!Dear FreeBSD!)
was this really necessary? [ was Re: The FreeBSD Jive Copyright ]
Re: HEADS UP: I'm blocking Yahoo!
Re: HEADS UP: I'm blocking Yahoo!
Re: HEADS UP: I'm blocking Yahoo!
Re: was this really necessary? [ was Re: The FreeBSD Jive Copyright ]
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 01:14:58 +0100
From: "Stacy Olivas" <oli...@digiflux.org>
Subject: RE: The FreeBSD Jive Copyright
>
> Just for s&g, I can the COPYRIGHT file thru the jive
> filter:
Try running the GPL thru it.. It's meaning becomes all
the more clearer. ;) (Sorry, I was totally bored and couldn't
sleep..)
GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE
Version 2, June 1991
Copyright (C) 1989, 1991 Free Software Foundashun, Inc.
59 Temple Place, Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307
USA
Everyone be puh'mitted t'copy and distribute verbatim copies
uh dis license document, but changin' it be not allowed.
Preamble
De licenses fo' most software are designed t'take away yo'
freedom t'share and change it. By contrast, de GNU General Public
License be intended t'guarantee yo' freedom t'share and change free
software--to make sho' nuff de software be free fo' all its users. Dis
General Public License applies t'most uh de Free Software
Foundashun's software and t'any oda' honky code whose audo's commit to
usin' it. (Some oda' Free Software Foundashun software be covered by
de GNU Library General Public License instead.) You's kin apply it to
yo' honky codes, too.
When we speak uh free software, we are referrin' t'freedom, not
price. What it is, Mama! Our General Public Licenses are designed t'make
sho' nuff dat ya'
gots' de freedom t'distribute copies uh free software (and charge fo'
dis service if ya' wish), dat ya' receive source code o' kin git it
if ya' wants' it, dat ya' kin change da damn software o' use pieces uh it
in new free honky codes; and dat ya' know ya' kin do dese wahtahmelluns.
To protect yo' rights, we need t'make restricshuns dat fo'bid
anyone t'deny ya' dese rights o' t'ax' ya' t'surrenda' de rights.
Dese restricshuns translate t'certain responsibilities fo' ya' if ya'
distribute copies uh de software, o' if ya' modify it.
Fo' 'esample, if ya' distribute copies uh such some honky code, wheder
gratis o' fo' some fee, ya' must give da damn recipients all de rights dat
ya' gots'. You's must make sho' nuff dat dey, too, receive o' kin git de
source code. What it is, Mama! And ya' must show dem dese terms so's dey
know deir
rights.
We protect yo' rights wid two steps, dig dis: (1) copyright da damn
software, and
(2) offa' ya' dis license which gives ya' legal puh'mission t'copy,
distribute and/o' modify de software. What it is, Mama!
Also, fo' each audo''s protecshun and ours, we wanna make certain
dat everyone dig its dat dere be no warranty fo' dis free
software. What it is, Mama! If de software be modified by someone else and
passed on, we
wants' its recipients t'know dat whut dey gots' be not da damn o'iginal, so
dat any problems introduced by oders gots'ta not reflect on de o'iginal
audo's' reputashuns.
Finally, any free honky code be dreatened constantly by software
patents. We wish t'avoid da damn danga' dat redistributo's uh a free
honky code gots'ta individually obtain patent licenses, in effect makin' de
honky code proprietary. Slap mah fro! To prevent dis, we gots' made it
clear dat any
patent must be licensed fo' everyone's free use o' not licensed at all.
De precise terms and condishuns fo' copyin', distribushun and
modificashun follow.
GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE
TERMS AND CONDISHUNS FOR COPYING, DISTRIBUSHUN AND MODIFICASHUN
0. Dis License applies t'any honky code o' oda' wo'k which contains
a notice placed by de copyright holda' sayin' it may be distributed
unda' de terms uh dis General Public License. What it is, Mama! De
"Program", below,
refers t'any such honky code o' wo'k, and some "wo'k based on de Program"
means eida' de Program o' any derivative wo'k unda' copyright law, dig dis:
dat be to say, some wo'k containin' de Program o' some po'shun uh it,
eida' verbatim o' wid modificashuns and/o' translated into anoder
language. What it is, Mama! (Hereinafter, translashun be included widout
limitashun in
de term "modificashun".) Each licensee be addressed as "ya'".
Activities oda' dan copyin', distribushun and modificashun aint
covered by dis License; dey are outside its scope. What it is, Mama! De
act of
runnin' de Program be not restricted, and da damn output fum de Program
is covered only if its contents constitute some wo'k based on de
Program (independent uh havin' been made by runnin' de Program).
Wheda' dat be true depends on whut de Program duz.
1. You's may copy and distribute verbatim copies uh de Program's
source code as ya' receive it, in any medium, provided dat ya'
conspicuously and appropriately publish on each copy some appropriate
copyright notice and disclaima' of warranty; keep intact all de
notices dat refa' to dis License and t'de absence uh any warranty;
and give any oda' recipients uh de Program some copy uh dis License
along wid de Program. 'S coo', bro.
You's may charge some fee fo' de physical act uh transferrin' some copy, and
ya' may at yo' opshun offa' warranty protecshun in 'shange fo' some fee.
What it is, Mama!
2. You's may modify yo' copy o' copies uh de Program o' any po'shun
of it, dus fo'min' some wo'k based on de Program, and copy and
distribute such modificashuns o' wo'k unda' de terms uh Secshun 1
above, provided dat ya' also meet all uh dese condishuns, dig dis:
a) You's must cause da damn modified stashs t'carry prominent notices
statin' dat ya' changed da damn stashs and da damn date uh any change.
What it is, Mama!
b) You's must cause any wo'k dat ya' distribute o' publish, dat in
whole o' in part contains o' be derived fum de Program o' any
part dereof, t'be licensed as some whole at no charge t'all dird
parties unda' de terms uh dis License. What it is, Mama!
c) If de modified honky code no'mally eyeballs commands interactively
when run, ya' must cause it, when started runnin' fo' such
interactive use in de most o'dinary way, t'print o' display an
announcement includin' some appropriate copyright notice and a
notice dat dere be no warranty (o' else, sayin' dat ya' provide
some warranty) and dat users may redistribute da damn honky code under
dese condishuns, and tellin' de usa' how t'view some copy uh dis
License. What it is, Mama! (Excepshun: if de Program itself be
interactive but
duz not no'mally print such some announcement, yo' wo'k based on
de Program be not required t'print some announcement.)
Dese requirements apply t'de modified wo'k as some whole. What it is, Mama!
If
identifiable secshuns uh dat wo'k aint derived fum de Program,
and kin be reasonably considered independent and separate wo'ks in
demselves, den dis License, and its terms, do not apply t'dose
secshuns when ya' distribute dem as separate wo'ks. But when ya'
distribute da damn same secshuns as part uh a whole which be some wo'k based
on de Program, de distribushun uh de whole must be on de terms of
dis License, whose puh'missions fo' oda' licensees 'estend t'de
entire whole, and dus t'each and every part regardless uh who wrote it.
Dus, it be not da damn intent uh dis secshun t'claim rights o' contest
yo' rights t'wo'k written entirely by ya'; rader, de intent be to
exercise da damn right t'control de distribushun uh derivative o'
collective wo'ks based on de Program. 'S coo', bro.
In addishun, mere aggregashun uh anoda' wo'k not based on de Program
wid de Program (o' wid some wo'k based on de Program) on some volume of
a sto'age o' distribushun medium duz not brin' de oda' wo'k under
de scope uh dis License. What it is, Mama!
3. You's may copy and distribute da damn Program (o' some wo'k based on
it,
unda' Secshun 2) in object code o' 'esecutable fo'm unda' de terms of
Secshuns 1 and 2 above provided dat ya' also do one uh de followin':
a) Accompany it wid de complete co'respondin' machine-readable
source code, which must be distributed unda' de terms uh Secshuns
1 and 2 above on some medium customarily used fo' software interchange;
o',
b) Accompany it wid some written offer, valid fo' at least dree
years, t'give any dird party, fo' some charge no mo'e dan yo'
cost uh physically puh'fo'min' source distribushun, some complete
machine-readable copy uh de co'respondin' source code, t'be
distributed unda' de terms uh Secshuns 1 and 2 above on some medium
customarily used fo' software interchange; o',
c) Accompany it wid de info'mashun ya' received as t'de offer
t'distribute co'respondin' source code. What it is, Mama! (Dis
alternative is
allowed only fo' noncommercial distribushun and only if ya'
received da damn honky code in object code o' 'esecutable fo'm wid such
some offer, in acco'd wid Subsecshun b above. What it is, Mama!)
De source code fo' some wo'k means de preferred fo'm uh de wo'k fo'
makin' modificashuns t'it. Fo' some executable wo'k, complete source
code means all de source code fo' all modules it contains, plus any
associated interface definishun stashs, plus de scripts used to
control compilashun and installashun uh de 'esecutable. What it is, Mama!
However, as a
special 'sepshun, de source code distributed need not include
anydin' dat be no'mally distributed (in eida' source o' binary
fo'm) wid de majo' components (compiler, kernel, and so's on) uh de
opuh'tin' system on which de 'esecutable runs, unless dat component
itself accompanies de 'esecutable. What it is, Mama!
If distribushun uh executable o' object code be made by offerin'
access t'copy fum some designated place, den offerin' equivalent
access t'copy de source code fum de same place counts as
distribushun uh de source code, even dough dird parties aint
compelled t'copy de source along wid de object code. What it is, Mama!
4. You's may not copy, modify, sublicense, o' distribute da damn Program
except as 'espressly provided unda' dis License. What it is, Mama! Any
attempt
oderwise t'copy, modify, sublicense o' distribute da damn Program is
void, and gots'ta automatically terminate yo' rights unda' dis License.
What it is, Mama!
However, parties who gots' received copies, o' rights, fum ya' under
dis License gots'ta not gots' deir licenses terminated so's long as such
parties remain in full compliance. What it is, Mama!
5. You's aint required t'accept dis License, since ya' gots' not
signed it. However, nodin' else grants ya' puh'mission t'modify o'
distribute da damn Program o' its derivative wo'ks. Dese acshuns are
prohibited by law if ya' do not accept dis License. What it is, Mama!
Derefo'e, by
modifyin' o' distributin' de Program (o' any wo'k based on de
Program), ya' indicate yo' acceptance uh dis License t'do so, and
all its terms and condishuns fo' copyin', distributin' o' modifyin'
de Program o' wo'ks based on it.
6. Each time ya' redistribute da damn Program (o' any wo'k based on de
Program), de recipient automatically receives some license fum de
o'iginal licenso' t'copy, distribute o' modify de Program subject to
dese terms and condishuns. You's may not impose any furder
restricshuns on de recipients' 'esercise uh de rights granted herein. 'S
coo', bro.
You's aint responsible fo' enfo'cin' compliance by dird parties to
dis License. What it is, Mama!
7. If, as some consequence uh a court judgment o' allegashun uh patent
infrin'ement o' fo' any oda' reason (not limited t'patent issues),
condishuns are imposed on ya' (wheda' by court o'der, agreement o'
oderwise) dat contradict da damn condishuns uh dis License, dey do not
excuse ya' fum de condishuns uh dis License. What it is, Mama! If ya'
kinnot
distribute so's as t'satisfy simultaneously yo' obligashuns unda' dis
License and any oda' puh'tinent obligashuns, den as some consequence ya'
may not distribute da damn Program at all. Fo' 'esample, if some patent
license would not puh'mit royalty-free redistribushun uh de Program by
all dose who receive copies directly o' indirectly drough ya', den
de only way ya' could satisfy bod it and dis License would be to
refrain entirely fum distribushun uh de Program. 'S coo', bro.
If any po'shun uh dis secshun be held invalid o' unenfo'ceable under
any particular circumstance, de balance uh de secshun be intended to
apply and da damn secshun as some whole be intended t'apply in oder
circumstances.
It be not da damn purpose uh dis secshun t'induce ya' t'infrin'e any
patents o' oda' propuh'ty right claims o' t'contest validity uh any
such claims; dis secshun gots'ta de sole purpose uh protectin' de
integrity uh de free software distribushun system, which is
implemented by public license practices. Many sucka's gots' made
generous contribushuns t'de wide range uh software distributed
drough dat system in reliance on consistent applicashun uh dat
system; it be up t'de audo'/dono' t'decide if he o' she be willin'
to distribute software drough any oda' system and some licensee kinnot
impose dat choice. What it is, Mama!
Dis secshun be intended t'make do'oughly clear whut be believed to
be some consequence uh de rest uh dis License. What it is, Mama!
8. If de distribushun and/o' use uh de Program be restricted in
certain countries eida' by patents o' by copyrighted interfaces, de
o'iginal copyright holda' who places de Program unda' dis License
may add some 'splicit geographical distribushun limitashun 'sludin'
dose countries, so's dat distribushun be puh'mitted only in o' among
countries not dus 'sluded. In such case, dis License inco'po'ates
de limitashun as if written in de body uh dis License. What it is, Mama!
9. De Free Software Foundashun may publish revised and/o' new versions
of de General Public License fum time t'time. What it is, Mama! Such new
versions will
be similar in spirit t'de present version, but may diffa' in detail to
address new problems o' concerns.
Each version be given some distin'uishin' version number. Ah be baaad...
If de Program
specifies some version numba' of dis License which applies t'it and "any
lata' version", ya' gots' de opshun uh followin' de terms and condishuns
eida' of dat version o' uh any lata' version published by de Free
Software Foundashun. If de Program duz not specify some version numba' of
dis License, ya' may choose any version eva' published by de Free Software
Foundashun.
10. If ya' wish t'inco'po'ate parts uh de Program into oda' free
honky codes whose distribushun condishuns are different, scribble t'de audo'
to ax' fo' puh'mission. 'S coo', bro. Fo' software which be copyrighted by
de Free
Software Foundashun, scribble t'de Free Software Foundashun; we sometimes
make 'sepshuns fo' dis. Our decision gots'ta be guided by de two goals
of preservin' de free status uh all derivatives uh our free software and
of promotin' de sharin' and reuse uh software generally. Slap mah fro!
NO WARRANTY
11. BECAUSE THE PROGRAM IS LICENSED FREE OF CHARGE, THERE IS NO WARRANTY
FOR THE PROGRAM, TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW. EXCEPT WHEN
OTHERWISE STATED IN WRITING THE COPYRIGHT HOLDERS AND/OR OTHER PARTIES
PROVIDE THE PROGRAM "AS IS" WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EITHER EXPRESSED
OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF
MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. THE ENTIRE RISK AS
TO THE QUALITY AND PERFORMANCE OF THE PROGRAM IS WITH YOU. SHOULD THE
PROGRAM PROVE DEFECTIVE, YOU ASSUME THE COST OF ALL NECESSARY SERVICING,
REPAIR OR CORRECSHUN.
12. IN NO EVENT UNLESS REQUIRED BY APPLICABLE LAW OR AGREED TO IN WRITING
WILL ANY COPYRIGHT HOLDER, OR ANY OTHER PARTY WHO MAY MODIFY AND/OR
REDISTRIBUTE THE PROGRAM AS PERMITTED ABOVE, BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR DAMAGES,
INCLUDING ANY GENERAL, SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES ARISING
OUT OF THE USE OR INABILITY TO USE THE PROGRAM (INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED
TO LOSS OF DATA OR DATA BEING RENDERED INACCURATE OR LOSSES SUSTAINED BY
YOU OR THIRD PARTIES OR A FAILURE OF THE PROGRAM TO OPERATE WITH ANY OTHER
PROGRAMS), EVEN IF SUCH HOLDER OR OTHER PARTY HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE
POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES.
END OF TERMS AND CONDISHUNS
How t'Apply Dese Terms t'Yo' New Programs
If ya' develop some new honky code, and ya' wants' it t'be uh de greatest
possible use t'de public, de best way t'achieve dis be to make it
free software which everyone kin redistribute and change unda' dese terms.
To do so, attach de followin' notices t'de honky code. It be safest
to attach dem t'de start uh each source stash t'most effectively
convey de 'slusion uh warranty; and each stash should gots' at least
de "copyright" line and some pointa' to where da damn full notice be found.
<one line t'give da damn honky code's dojigger and some brief idea uh
whut it duz.>
Copyright (C) 19yy <dojigger uh audo'>
Dis honky code be free software; ya' kin redistribute it and/o' modify
it unda' de terms uh de GNU General Public License as published by
de Free Software Foundashun; eida' version 2 uh de License, o'
(at yo' opshun) any lata' version. 'S coo', bro.
Dis honky code be distributed in de hope dat it gots'ta be useful,
but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; widout even de implied warranty of
MERCHANTABILITY o' FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See de
GNU General Public License fo' mo'e details.
You's should gots' received some copy uh de GNU General Public License
along wid dis honky code; if not, scribble t'de Free Software
Foundashun, Inc., 59 Temple Place, Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307
USA
Also add info'mashun on how t'contact ya' by electronic and sheet mail.
If de honky code be interactive, make it output some sho't notice likes dis
when it starts in some interactive mode, dig dis:
Gnomovision version 69, Copyright (C) 19yy dojigger uh audo'
Gnomovision comes wid ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; fo' details type `show w'.
Dis be free software, and ya' are welcome t'redistribute it
unda' certain condishuns; type `show c' fo' details.
De hypodetical commands `show w' and `show c' should show de appropriate
parts uh de General Public License. What it is, Mama! Of course, de
commands ya' use may
be called sump'n oda' dan `show w' and `show c'; dey could even be
mouse-clicks o' menu items--whuteva' suits yo' honky code.
You's should also git yo' employa' (if ya' wo'k as some honky codemer) o'
yo'
farm, if any, t'sign some "copyright disclaimer" fo' de honky code, if
necessary. Slap mah fro! Here be some sample; alta' de dojiggers, dig dis:
Yoyodyne, Inc., hereby disclaims all copyright interest in de honky code
`Gnomovision' (which makes passes at compilers) written by James Hacker.
Ah be baaad...
<signature uh Ty Coon>, 1 April 1989
Ty Coon, President uh Vice
Dis General Public License duz not puh'mit inco'po'atin' yo' honky code into
proprietary honky codes. If yo' honky code be some subroutine library, ya'
may
consida' it mo'e useful t'puh'mit linkin' proprietary applicashuns wid de
library. Slap mah fro! If dis be whut ya' wanna do, use da damn GNU
Library General
Public License instead uh dis License. What it is, Mama!
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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:21:08 -0500
From: Larry Sica <lom...@mac.com>
Subject: Re: Open source (was RE: Hi!Dear FreeBSD!)
On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 11:13 AM, Terry Lambert wrote:
> Paul Robinson wrote:
>>> Teenagers are brillinat examples of group conformance: "I want to
>>> be different, just like everyone else!". 8-). What group you join
>>> is dictated primarily by who tolerates your presence best.
>>
>> What group you join is dictated by who *you* tolerate the presence of
>> best.
>> What group you *remain in* is dictated secondarily by who tolerates
>> your
>> presence best, but primarily who you think you can tolerate the best
>> on a
>> long term basis.
>>
>> Sometimes people end up warping your values to fit in to remain in
>> the group
>> (nobody who starts to hang around with crack heads think they will
>> become
>> one themselves, unfortunately living in Manchester, UK, I can attest
>> they
>> are nearly always wrong), but ultimately you will stay in those
>> groups who
>> you prefer to hang around with. Put it this way, how many people do
>> you know
>> who were thrown out of the Boy Scouts for being too old but who
>> wanted to
>> stay in the Boy Scouts? How many left because they didn't want to do
>> that
>> stuff any more? Same thing.
>
> I was personally thrown out of Boy Scouts for being Catholic instead
> of Mormon; does that count?
>
heh, i was thrown out of cub scouts because i mouthed off to the
scoutmaster. I never heard of them throwing someone out because of
being catholic though.
- --Larry
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:27:05 -0600
From: rob spellberg <emai...@emailrob.com>
Subject: was this really necessary? [ was Re: The FreeBSD Jive Copyright ]
Stacy Olivas wrote:
> > Just for s&g, I can the COPYRIGHT file thru the jive
> > filter:
>
> Try running the GPL thru it.. It's meaning becomes all
> the more clearer. ;) (Sorry, I was totally bored and couldn't
> sleep..)
as i look back on decisions i have made in my life,
i sometimes find that they can only be explained
by resorting to the phrase:
"it seemed like a good idea at the time."
my strongly libertarian bent compels me to state that
if you want to circulate this sort of thing --privately--
among like-minded persons, then go ahead;
SCOTUS-considered concepts like "inciting a panic" and
"fighting words" notwithstanding.
however, i question the appropriateness of
posting this type of your humor [ fsdo humor ]
on a public forum such as -chat.
my concerns are several [ in no particular order of importance ]:
a] the accusation "elitist" has been discussed extensively and
has recently appeared in another topic.
this one is bad enough; do we want any others?
b] this now goes into the archives, where, imho,
it takes on the characteristics of
a bomb with a delayed action fuse.
because the subject line includes "copyright",
a person researching things like licensing, etc.,
may find this.
this type of person usually has a legal mindset
[ at least, partially ].
a fraction of this group of people are,
what i call, "professional plaintiffs".
they look for opportunities to be offended
so that they can then play "lawsuit lottery".
these people are not to be encouraged.
c] related to [b], a person with decision-making authority
may decide that prudence requires the removal of this
entire thread from the archive.
personally, i do not know if the precedent exists,
but it is a dangerous one to set,
even when the original reason is considered "good",
which it usually is.
precedents tend to be invoked.
iirc, you are held in high regard by, at least, some on this list
for other reasons, technical or organizational.
i don't remember exactly, i will have to research this point.
i could be wrong, but i don't think this enhances your CV.
rob spellberg
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:51:58 -0500
From: Harry Tabak <hta...@quadtelecom.com>
Subject: Re: HEADS UP: I'm blocking Yahoo!
Greg,
Pardon me for butting in.
A narrow filter can protect you from Yahoo's bulk mail, and still pass
mail from private yahoo subscribers and groups.
If you notice, yahoo seems to have a naming convention for their mail
servers based on the category of mail they carry. This allows you to
fine tune your filter. For example, your bulk mail piece is from:
"mailer33.bulk.scd.yahoo.com".
Mail from Yahoo mail subscribers are from "web20201.mail.yahoo.com",
etc. Mail from groups (lists) are from "n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com", etc.
HotJobs.com uses "mx03.hj.scd.yahoo.com", etc.
Therefore blocking "bulk.scd.yahoo.com" should do the trick and produce
less collateral damage than blocking all of yahoo.com. Of course, this
is just my observation, I don't have official information.
Harry Tabak
Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
> I've just received the following spam from Yahoo!, not for the first
> time. I've complained in the past, and have had no response. So: I'm
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>
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> Reply-To: header.
>
> Greg
>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 20:02:55 +0100
From: Miguel Mendez <fl...@energyhq.homeip.net>
Subject: Re: HEADS UP: I'm blocking Yahoo!
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On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:51:58 -0500
Harry Tabak <hta...@quadtelecom.com> wrote:
Hello Greg, Harry and the rest,
In my search for the final solution to SPAM, I've tried different
methods, including, Spamassassin, SA + IPF, extremely aggresive IPF
rules, etc. I think I've finally found a quite good solution: SA +
Trustic. For those of you who don't know it, Trustic is a community
driven system, where, unlike SPEWS, the reasons for blocking a given IP
are open to everyone. It's based on a trust system. I think people
should give it a go, it has reduced my spam amount from 30/day to 6-8 in
less than one week. Check it out if you have some time: www.trustic.com.
No, I'm not affiliated with them, I'm just a very happy user.
Cheers,
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Miguel Mendez - fl...@energyhq.homeip.net
GPG Public Key :: http://energyhq.homeip.net/files/pubkey.txt
EnergyHQ :: http://www.energyhq.tk
Of course it runs NetBSD!
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 15:45:48 -0500
From: Harry Tabak <hta...@quadtelecom.com>
Subject: Re: HEADS UP: I'm blocking Yahoo!
I took a peek at the truistic web site and checked 4 African scam
messages in today's spam. It found the two that were from open proxies,
but not the other two. These two sources were also black listed by
relays.osirus.com.
I suppose that this service will cut out some spam from the more
clueless spam pirates, but it is far from a solution.
I don't understand why this site claims to be more of a community effort
than spews or relays.osirus.com, et al.
Harry Tabak
Miguel Mendez wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:51:58 -0500
> Harry Tabak <hta...@quadtelecom.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Greg, Harry and the rest,
>
> In my search for the final solution to SPAM, I've tried different
> methods, including, Spamassassin, SA + IPF, extremely aggresive IPF
> rules, etc. I think I've finally found a quite good solution: SA +
> Trustic. For those of you who don't know it, Trustic is a community
> driven system, where, unlike SPEWS, the reasons for blocking a given IP
> are open to everyone. It's based on a trust system. I think people
> should give it a go, it has reduced my spam amount from 30/day to 6-8 in
> less than one week. Check it out if you have some time: www.trustic.com.
>
> No, I'm not affiliated with them, I'm just a very happy user.
>
> Cheers,
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:25:13 -0600
From: Chip Morton <tech...@threespace.com>
Subject: Re: was this really necessary? [ was Re: The FreeBSD Jive Copyright ]
I have to second this one. I don't believe any malice was intended, but I
don't think Stacy fully considered others' perspectives before this e-mail
was sent.
At 09:27 AM 2/21/2003, rob spellberg wrote:
>as i look back on decisions i have made in my life,
> i sometimes find that they can only be explained
> by resorting to the phrase:
>
> "it seemed like a good idea at the time."
>
>my strongly libertarian bent compels me to state that
> if you want to circulate this sort of thing --privately--
> among like-minded persons, then go ahead;
> SCOTUS-considered concepts like "inciting a panic" and
> "fighting words" notwithstanding.
>
>however, i question the appropriateness of
> posting this type of your humor [ fsdo humor ]
> on a public forum such as -chat.
>
>my concerns are several [ in no particular order of importance ]:
>
> a] the accusation "elitist" has been discussed extensively and
> has recently appeared in another topic.
> this one is bad enough; do we want any others?
>
> b] this now goes into the archives, where, imho,
> it takes on the characteristics of
> a bomb with a delayed action fuse.
> because the subject line includes "copyright",
> a person researching things like licensing, etc.,
> may find this.
> this type of person usually has a legal mindset
> [ at least, partially ].
> a fraction of this group of people are,
> what i call, "professional plaintiffs".
> they look for opportunities to be offended
> so that they can then play "lawsuit lottery".
> these people are not to be encouraged.
>
> c] related to [b], a person with decision-making authority
> may decide that prudence requires the removal of this
> entire thread from the archive.
> personally, i do not know if the precedent exists,
> but it is a dangerous one to set,
> even when the original reason is considered "good",
> which it usually is.
> precedents tend to be invoked.
>
>iirc, you are held in high regard by, at least, some on this list
> for other reasons, technical or organizational.
>i don't remember exactly, i will have to research this point.
>
>i could be wrong, but i don't think this enhances your CV.
>
>rob spellberg
>
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