HM The Queen protects foreign titles
Olav Ståle Søvik, Laird of Camster
What happens if the HM the Queen decides to protect a foreign title?
Will that make the person with a foreign title a British peer and a
seat in the House of Lords?
Does it cost anything?
Louis Epstein
Olav Ståle Sųvik, Laird of Camster (oso...@sn.no) wrote:
: What happens if the HM the Queen decides to protect a foreign title?
Then the person is allowed to use it in the UK...this is rare now.
: Will that make the person with a foreign title a British peer and a
: seat in the House of Lords?
No.There would have to be a creation of a British title for that.
(Henry Noel Bentinck was allowed to be a Count of the Holy Roman Empire
in the Uk all his life,but only when he succeeded as Earl of Portland
did he become a member of the Lords).
: Does it cost anything?
Not per se,but it would be very difficult to convince the powers that be
to do!
Stillwell Stephen
On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Louis Epstein wrote:
> Olav Ståle Søvik, Laird of Camster (oso...@sn.no) wrote:
> : What happens if the HM the Queen decides to protect a foreign title?
>
> Then the person is allowed to use it in the UK...this is rare now.
>
I thought that this was completely disallowed in 1937 by a Royal Patent.
I believe that the patent said that no other foreign titles would be
recognized and that those already recognized would be continued for a
certain period. Some were continued for the life of the holder, others
for one or more additional lives. I got this from a Burke's Peerage from
that year or the next. I don't have the cite here in my office -- it's at
home. I can give more details if someone is interested.
-- Stephen Stillwell
Louis Epstein
Stillwell Stephen (iy...@jove.acs.unt.edu) wrote:
:
"rare now" includes "only happens under pre-1937 legacies since a
decision to discontinue the practice was made by an authority that could
as easily resume it"...
Nick
>What happens if the HM the Queen decides to protect a foreign title?
>Will that make the person with a foreign title a British peer and a
>seat in the House of Lords?
>Does it cost anything?
>
If you are thinking that Laird of Camster makes you a Norwegian noble
and thus eligible to sit in the House of Lords, you are even more
spaced out than we thought, Olav!!
Olav Ståle Søvik, Laird of Camster
>If you are thinking that Laird of Camster makes you a Norwegian noble
>and thus eligible to sit in the House of Lords, you are even more
>spaced out than we thought, Olav!!
-I am NOT talking about myself at all? Can't I aska question without
someone thinking that I think I am what I ask about?
j...@internet.no
cho...@hotmail.com (Nick) wrote:
>On Fri, 04 Apr 1997 06:06:59 GMT, oso...@sn.no (Olav Ståle Søvik,
>Laird of Camster) wrote:
>>What happens if the HM the Queen decides to protect a foreign title?
>>Will that make the person with a foreign title a British peer and a
>>seat in the House of Lords?
>>Does it cost anything?
>>
>If you are thinking that Laird of Camster makes you a Norwegian noble
>and thus eligible to sit in the House of Lords, you are even more
>spaced out than we thought, Olav!!
Olav,
Do you want to become a real noble?
Apply for Dutch citizenship. When then beeing a Dutch subject you
might apply for incorporation into the Dutch Aristocracy based on your
scottish nobility. After that you might apply for British citizenship
and then apply for incorporation into the British Aristrocracy.
At that time you'll be old enough to take your seat in The House of
Lords, whereafter you'll return to Norway, apply for Norwegian
citizenship, and be recognized as a Norwegian Aristocrat.
I'll have a title for you: Greven av Laird (in Norwegian. den Lærde
Greven) And, please do give us notice if this works out. This advice
(consultation) is, by the way free for charge.
Good luck.
Jan
Anton Sherwood
Wouldn't it be simpler to seize an abandoned North Sea platform and
declare it an independent barony?
<j...@internet.no> writes
: Olav,
: Do you want to become a real noble?
: Apply for Dutch citizenship. When then beeing a Dutch subject you
: might apply for incorporation into the Dutch Aristocracy based on your
: scottish nobility. After that you might apply for British citizenship
: and then apply for incorporation into the British Aristrocracy.
: At that time you'll be old enough to take your seat in The House of
: Lords, whereafter you'll return to Norway, apply for Norwegian
: citizenship, and be recognized as a Norwegian Aristocrat.
--
Anton Sherwood *\\* +1 415 267 0685 *\\* DAS...@netcom.com
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within
the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." --Claire Wolfe
Dag Trygsland Hoelseth
In article <3347a...@saturn.internet.no>, j...@internet.no says...
'
'cho...@hotmail.com (Nick) wrote:
'
'>On Fri, 04 Apr 1997 06:06:59 GMT, oso...@sn.no (Olav Ståle Søvik,
'>Laird of Camster) wrote:
'
'>>What happens if the HM the Queen decides to protect a foreign title?
'>>Will that make the person with a foreign title a British peer and a
'>>seat in the House of Lords?
'>>Does it cost anything?
'>>
'
'>If you are thinking that Laird of Camster makes you a Norwegian noble
'>and thus eligible to sit in the House of Lords, you are even more
'>spaced out than we thought, Olav!!
'Olav,
'Do you want to become a real noble?
'Apply for Dutch citizenship. When then beeing a Dutch subject you
'might apply for incorporation into the Dutch Aristocracy based on your
'scottish nobility. After that you might apply for British citizenship
'and then apply for incorporation into the British Aristrocracy.
'At that time you'll be old enough to take your seat in The House of
'Lords, whereafter you'll return to Norway, apply for Norwegian
'citizenship, and be recognized as a Norwegian Aristocrat.
'I'll have a title for you: Greven av Laird (in Norwegian. den Lærde
'Greven) And, please do give us notice if this works out. This advice
'(consultation) is, by the way free for charge.
'Good luck.
'Jan
I know Jan is just joking, but I better stress that the Norwegian nobility was
abolished in 1821 - the nobles were allowed to use their titles until they
passed away.
Olav's "title" wouldn't mean anything here.
Dag T. Hoelseth
Louis Epstein
Olav Ståle Søvik of Camster (oso...@sn.no) wrote:
: das...@netcom.com (Anton Sherwood) wrote:
:
: >Wouldn't it be simpler to seize an abandoned North Sea platform and
: >declare it an independent barony?
:
The one spoken of (Sea-Land) gets into Micronation directories...
last I checked they had yet to list Rhovanion,though!
(I'm King of Rhovanion,under the National Tolkien League auspices)
Louis Epstein
Dag Trygsland Hoelseth (d.t.ho...@hi.uio.no) wrote:
:
: I know Jan is just joking, but I better stress that the Norwegian nobility was
: abolished in 1821 - the nobles were allowed to use their titles until they
: passed away.
"Abolition" of nobility is a bad sign anywhere...who are the heirs and
what would their titles be?
Olav Ståle Søvik of Camster
>Olav,
>Do you want to become a real noble?
>Apply for Dutch citizenship. When then beeing a Dutch subject you
>might apply for incorporation into the Dutch Aristocracy based on your
>scottish nobility. After that you might apply for British citizenship
>and then apply for incorporation into the British Aristrocracy.
>At that time you'll be old enough to take your seat in The House of
>Lords, whereafter you'll return to Norway, apply for Norwegian
>citizenship, and be recognized as a Norwegian Aristocrat.
>I'll have a title for you: Greven av Laird (in Norwegian. den Lærde
>Greven) And, please do give us notice if this works out. This advice
>(consultation) is, by the way free for charge.
>Good luck.
>Jan
-Hahahaha!
Olav Ståle Søvik of Camster
das...@netcom.com (Anton Sherwood) wrote:
>Wouldn't it be simpler to seize an abandoned North Sea platform and
>declare it an independent barony?
-Perhaps... Making an independent micro nation would be even better.
><j...@internet.no> writes
>: Olav,
>: Do you want to become a real noble?
>: Apply for Dutch citizenship. When then beeing a Dutch subject you
>: might apply for incorporation into the Dutch Aristocracy based on your
>: scottish nobility. After that you might apply for British citizenship
>: and then apply for incorporation into the British Aristrocracy.
>: At that time you'll be old enough to take your seat in The House of
>: Lords, whereafter you'll return to Norway, apply for Norwegian
>: citizenship, and be recognized as a Norwegian Aristocrat.
Nick
On Tue, 08 Apr 1997 16:18:30 +0000, james <ja...@jafirsl.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
>HAMSTER, were you force fed when you were a baby? It certainly seems to
>be the case because you keep saying the same old boring regurgitated
>nonsense.
Unlike you, who keep saying the same old boring regurgitated insults.
Found your Dad yet?
Louis Epstein
james (ja...@jafirsl.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: Louis Epstein wrote:
: >
: > Olav StŚle SÝvik of Camster (oso...@sn.no) wrote:
: > : das...@netcom.com (Anton Sherwood) wrote:
: > :
: > : >Wouldn't it be simpler to seize an abandoned North Sea platform and
: > : >declare it an independent barony?
: > : -Perhaps... Making an independent micro nation would be even better.
: >
: > The one spoken of (Sea-Land) gets into Micronation directories...
: > last I checked they had yet to list Rhovanion,though!
: >
: > (I'm King of Rhovanion,under the National Tolkien League auspices)
: his pension.
(nope)
james
Olav Ståle Sųvik, Laird of Camster wrote:
>
> >If you are thinking that Laird of Camster makes you a Norwegian noble
> >and thus eligible to sit in the House of Lords, you are even more
> >spaced out than we thought, Olav!!
>
someone thinking that I think I am what I ask about?
HAMSTER, were you force fed when you were a baby? It certainly seems to
james
> >Laird of Camster) wrote:
>
> >>What happens if the HM the Queen decides to protect a foreign title?
> >>Will that make the person with a foreign title a British peer and a
> >>seat in the House of Lords?
> >>Does it cost anything?
> >>
>
> >and thus eligible to sit in the House of Lords, you are even more
> >spaced out than we thought, Olav!!
>
> Do you want to become a real noble?
> Apply for Dutch citizenship. When then beeing a Dutch subject you
> might apply for incorporation into the Dutch Aristocracy based on your
> scottish nobility. After that you might apply for British citizenship
> and then apply for incorporation into the British Aristrocracy.
> At that time you'll be old enough to take your seat in The House of
> Lords, whereafter you'll return to Norway, apply for Norwegian
> citizenship, and be recognized as a Norwegian Aristocrat.
>
> Greven) And, please do give us notice if this works out. This advice
> (consultation) is, by the way free for charge.
> Good luck.
> Jan
james
james
> >be the case because you keep saying the same old boring regurgitated
> >nonsense.
>
> Found your Dad yet?
Nick,go sit on your potty like a good little boy!
There now! no need to get so upset! it didnt hurt really.
Louis Epstein
Anton Sherwood (das...@netcom.com) wrote:
: : das...@netcom.com (Anton Sherwood) wrote:
: : >Wouldn't it be simpler to seize an abandoned North Sea platform and
: : >declare it an independent barony?
:
: Olav Ståle Søvik of Camster <oso...@sn.no> writes
: : -Perhaps... Making an independent micro nation would be even better.
:
: What's the difference?
Whether the micronation is called a "barony".
Anton Sherwood
: das...@netcom.com (Anton Sherwood) wrote:
: >Wouldn't it be simpler to seize an abandoned North Sea platform and
: >declare it an independent barony?
Olav Ståle Søvik of Camster <oso...@sn.no> writes
: -Perhaps... Making an independent micro nation would be even better.
What's the difference?
--
Anton Sherwood *\\* +1 415 267 0685 *\\* DASher @ netcom .com
Anton Sherwood
: : : das...@netcom.com (Anton Sherwood) wrote:
: : : >Wouldn't it be simpler to seize an abandoned North Sea platform and
: : : >declare it an independent barony?
: : Olav Ståle Søvik of Camster <oso...@sn.no> writes
: : : -Perhaps... Making an independent micro nation would be even better.
: Anton Sherwood (das...@netcom.com) wrote:
: : What's the difference?
Louis Epstein <l...@put.com> writes
: Whether the micronation is called a "barony".
Thank you. I'm so stupid sometimes.
--
Anton Sherwood *\\* +1 415 267 0685 *\\* DASher @ netcom .com
"How'd ya like to climb this high WITHOUT no mountain?" --Porky Pine 70.6.19