Sokiryany jews immigration to and from England

[Dor Ziv]

SHALOM ALL,

We know that parts of my family lived in Brazil and England. We dont know when but assume early 1900 or late 1890. 

 Where should I start looking for immigration records? 

I know Brazil is very common place bessarabian jews immigrated (still don't know why) but is England is the same?

 Or the other way around would someone move from England to Sokiryany? Its hard to imagine.

Thank you ahead and good health to you and your families .

Dor

[Avraham]

Dor,

For brazilian related searches I highly recommend using FamilySearch.org archives, specifically Rio de Janeiro's immigration cards. I do not know if it helps in your case - but nevertheless - my Secureni family which ultimately settled in Recife, Brazil's northeast, somehow appears in this collection. Maybe the ships had to pass via Rio before moving on to other destinations (even more so if one considers Rio was Brazil's capital till 1960)

https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1932363

I believe you are required to create an account to search the collection. But it is free.

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[Celia Iaffe]

In relation why brazil was popular to the jewich community there are some reasons one they were allowed larger quota meanwhile usa quota of inmigration at some point was not taken any more inmigrants. Other reasons people went there and they wrote to family members to come it was safe and have some opportunities for work. Few of them went back and told them it is very good making others feel like going as well as the russian army was pressing a lot and progroms were very recent. And once they stablish there they organize others to come and help to new inmigrants.

Thats what i think it happens.

[Vlad Sinayuk]

Dor,

England and Brazil were destinations for some of my ancestors from Sokiryany. What family names are you searching for specifically? Is there any chance you're on 23andMe.com?

Thanks,
Vlad

 

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[Dor Ziv]

Hey Vlad

England - Shein/Schein/Shane, Rubinsky/Rubinskiy
Brazil - Feldman, Gandelman. Maybe Rubinsky as well.

I'm not on 23andme.com. Can you link me to your family trees?

Dor

‫בתאריך יום ג׳, 26 בינו׳ 2021 ב-23:12 מאת ‪Vlad Sinayuk‬‏ <‪vsin...@gmail.com‬‏>:‬

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[Flavio Baran]

Immigration cards are a good resource of information, but they are rare for immigrants who arrived in Brazil before the 1930's. In this case, searching for civil records may return some interesting data.

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[Avraham]

I am not aware of a good brazilian digital online archive resource, other than this.

Most of what I tried till this day have very little data and do not work very well.

For instance, I have never had a good experience with civil records / national archive.

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[Flavio Baran]

Last year the National Archives started scanning their collection of documents related to immigration. Don't know how long this will take, but one day we'll have it on FamilySearch.

https://gauchazh.clicrbs.com.br/comportamento/noticia/2020/01/mais-de-6-milhoes-de-documentos-sobre-estrangeiros-serao-digitalizados-pelo-arquivo-nacional-ck545ybuo023i01odt1k8qzuo.html

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[Vlad Sinayuk]

Dor,

Here you go, attached.

Thanks,
Vlad

 

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[dor.zi...@gmail.com]

Where can i find brazilian civil records before 1930?

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[Flavio Baran]

FamilySearch has most of them. Only the immigration cards prior to 1930 are scarce.

Those civil records are handwritten and sometimes hard to read, but most of them are there. If you don't know where your relatives lived, start with the records from São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro because they are the two biggest jewish communities in Brazil.

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[Fábio Koifman]

Caro Dor:

Names and surnames of them?

If they are not very common names with many namesakes, I can try to help.

I saw that someone mentioned the consular records (Fichas Consulares). 

These only started to be produced in December 1938 and ceased in the early 1960s.

Com um abraço, Fábio.

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[Fábio Koifman]

Caro Flávio, It was in the 1920s that more Jews entered Brazil. 

The restrictions started precisely in 1930 and on an increasing scale until April 1941 the doors closed with few loopholes.

Some books reproduce the counting of Jews entering the country. The book that does it most clearly is the one written by historian Jeffrey Lesser.

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[Fábio Koifman]

Caro Avraham, some of the civil records (birth, marriage and death) can be found on the Mormon (familysearch)  website. The collection is not complete.

The National Archive of RIo de Janeiro does not have this type of information. Eventually, birth and marriage certificates and others are attached to the files in order to prove some type of information.

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[Fábio Koifman]

Caro Dor:

"Feldman, Gandelman. Maybe Rubinsky as well" Is that what you know? Don't have information related to the first name?

Feldman and Gandelman are very common surnames that have been adopted by a significant number of families.

Actually, I already researched Gandelman for a man who lives in Melbourne (Australia) who started using "Gandel". There is an expressive number that came to Brazil from different cities of Bessarabia and other places in Eastern Europe.

If you even know a name, the search narrows down a bit and becomes viable. But you will certainly find perfect namesakes.

Rubinsky may be a less common surname. But without the first name or common ancestor the search is very difficult. 

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[Fábio Koifman]

Caro Dor:

Depends on what "civil records" you are referring. 

Until very recently, you would need to search the registry offices across the country (and there are many). Mormons have photographed some registries and other collections and make them available on the internet. But only with the surname, and very common surnames, the search seems to be unfeasible, since there will be a very large number of possibilities and apart from the surname and the name, other information is not always indexed and often also not registered. For example, if your relatives arrived between the two World Wars, it will appear as a Romanian origin (rarely Sucuron in any document).

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[Fábio Koifman]

Caro Flávio:

"immigration cards" ou "cartões de imigração" is a name (a designation) created by the familysearch which include documents of different natures and origins. Some local state and some federal.

These documents were not so mentioned by the Brazilian authorities, nor are they indexed in the original collections from which the Mormons (familysearch) reproduced them in images. These documents that are signed by the consuls and bring a portrait are actually called "Consular Sheets" (Fichas Consulares). Other files that also appear in the collection were produced by the foreign police stations and by the Foreigners Registration Service.

The majority of the forms that are made available on the Mormons' website date from the period after 1938, as it is especially with Decree 3010 of 1938 that the Brazilian State begins to systematize the control of the permanence of foreigners in Brazil.

After 1938, foreign police stations (delegacia especializada de estrangeiros) were created and, soon after, the Foreigners Registration Service. Until that time, documentation on foreigners was not produced in a centralized manner, as it became, by the Ministry of Justice.

What does exist from the period before 1938 are the naturalization processes. But not all foreigners were naturalized.

There are also police or foreign-related files that the state has at some point considered dangerous. But these are usually found in the Archives of States and not in the National Archives. Since most foreigners were not involved in crimes, there is no documentation of those who simply took their lives here.

But there are other ways to try to find information about foreigners who lived in Brazil before 1938 and even those who lived in Brazil in the 19th century. But for that it is necessary, at least, to know the first and last name and the correct spelling of both.

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[Franklin Kuperman]

Fabio Koifman,

 

I am trying, allways, to grow our Jewish Family Tree, and for continuing, I need allways more Family names from the same family (the mother, grand and great mother, the married uncles and “tante”, etc...to find a conexion with all names I allready have...

 

If you are intersted, pleace, sent the names and mostly of the relatives you know, mostly with diferente Family names...

Yours,

 

Franklin Kuperman (São Paulo, Brazil)

 

 

 

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Caro Dor:

 

Names and surnames of them?

 

If they are not very common names with many namesakes, I can try to help.

 

I saw that someone mentioned the consular records (Fichas Consulares). 

 

These only started to be produced in December 1938 and ceased in the early 1960s.

 

Com um abraço, Fábio.

 

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[Fábio Koifman]

Caro Franklin, Sorry. I did not understand. The names of my family members who are from Sucuron (Secureni etc)?

My parternal grandmother, Rebecca (Rifka) Koifman née Bleichman (the Bleichmans left Sucuron) and my maternal great-grandmother, Esther Sprintzin, née Gak (or Gaz), married my great-grandfather who was from Moguilhov Podolski, Gak or Gaz the family of Sucuron.

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