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This past week, Red Hat took that knife and twisted it hard, when they published this blog post. Let there be no mistake: this was meant to destroy the distributions the community built to replace what Red Hat took away.
There were only two things that kept me around after Red Hat betrayed us the first time: First, instead of attacking the community of open source users, many Red Hatters reached out and asked, "How can we do better?" It didn't heal the wound, but it meant something, knowing someone at Red Hat would at least listen.
That's kinda the status quo because in open source, the source... is open! And it doesn't matter if someone who uses your source benefits from it too... that's kind of what it's all about! We all benefit from sharing our work, and in this case, the GPL license Linux uses legally requires us to share it!
But Red Hat decided to put the source code behind a paywall. Now, this is legal. Technically, the GPL allows it. But it's generally rude and annoying to do that when the code you're locking down is largely based on other people's open source code.
But... it's within their rights, so I won't argue that point. What I will argue is the current subscription agreement, which might not be legal. Red Hat currently says they can cancel any user's account if they download the source code and redistribute it.
Let's say someone downloads the source through a Red Hat subscription, and uses that to build a new version of Rocky Linux. If Red Hat retailiated by cancelling that subscription, I'd definitely tune into that court case.
But let me be clear: everything I've seen points to Red Hat trying to choke out downstream distros like Rocky, Alma, and Oracle Linux. I think their hope is users of those distros would get scared and sign up for a Red Hat subscription. They need this to happen to lock in some short-term profits to please their IBM overlords. That's my cynical take on it.
HERE IS HOW platforms die: First, they are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die.
And please tell your employees to stop patronizing me, saying I should just use CentOS Stream. There's a reason Rocky and Alma linux have been downloaded millions of times. Stream is not a substitute for CentOS.
Who wants to build around an ecosystem where the open source users are called freeloaders and where massive disruptions are implemented in the middle of a release cycle, two times in a row, with no warning?
Solution could be as simple as drawing up a new GPL that would exclude RedHat practices and campaign to have package maintainers adopt it. Let RedHat fork everything they include and try and maintain it themselves
"UPDATE 2023.06.26: I can confirm via Red Hat employees the Developer Subscription has not experienced any changes. There is a display bug with the Customer Portal that is being tracked down. The DS4I is still limited to 16 entitlements."
I'm not a fan of systemd myself, it's just overly complicated for my needs. With that said, for the work Jeff does as well as anyone else doing "real work" with a Linux distro as a base, you can't get much better than Debian. It's stable, it's widely used and distributed, it's the base for several major distros, and it is run by a foundation rather than a corporation. I would love to say that my daily driver distro, Void, would be a great choice for Jeff to test on, but it's honestly just a niche distro despite how awesome it is, and there would be no point.
Regarding Ansible, I agree with the other person here who said NixOS is worth looking into if Jeff does have to drop Ansible down the road. Nix is available for other distros too, so there's plenty of opportunity to learn it without having to fully convert to the actual distro.
I'm curious what people are using for central package management on Debian. The main reason I've been loyal to RHEL-style distributions is losing the top-level visibility I get from Spacewalk Server is painful.
If you're looking for a distribution with long term support options your choices are probably either Ubuntu LTS or Suse Enterprise Linux. Particularly if you're looking for distributions that are supported by commercial packages you might need to run in a business.
Thanks to all, lots of good input. Our servers are to support our own businesses, and a few partners, and just use webmin/virtualmin, wp/php stuff, MySQL, python stuff, etc. I want to get this migration done now/soon and to a target that isn't going to change for awhile, and remain non-commercial OSS. Thanks again.
Well, nope. Unless RH changes their mind/policy, support for CentOS Stream X ends when final X.Y release of RHEL is released and that RHEL version goes from "Full" to "Maintenance Support" mode, which happens about 5 years after initial X.0 release. Look at centos.org, they already announced EOL for CentOS Stream 8 in May next year. That also means C9S will probably live only till mid-2027. Bummer.
Personally, I'm looking into SUSE's SLES. They've been around longer than RH, have the same business model and customer base, but they exist in an (arguably) better business environment for an open source company: Germany/EU.
OpenSUSE is free and maintained for 5 years, but to get the full 10+ years cycle you need to pay subscription. SUSE doesn't have other clones giving you the 10+ years maintenance for free as RHEL allowed before. So you are willing to pay the SUSE fee but not willing to pay the RHEL fee, even though, SUSE does the same thing?
Do you have another reason to choose SUSE?
What exactly is the problem with paying? Is it about Freedom here, or just about not paying? Because I have absolutely 0 sympathy for people who just don't want to pay others for their work, but I do care about freedom a ton.
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