Chip Windows 10 Usb Boot Stick Erstellen
Myong Killings
I downloaded the windows 11 iso.
I tried diferent methods but I failed to create the bootable USB, I guess it's because it has legacy BIOS.
Or there must be a trick ?
I tried with windows 10 and 8 too, but nothing has worked yet.
It seems to do with UDF or NTF or FAT or the MBR or the bootloader stuff, but I didn't find any solution yet.
Hi bigpup,
Did you actually read my problem description ?
The link you provided is for tools from Windows.
I have puppy linux only at the moment.
So how do I do ?
The problem is not as simple as it seems, I tried many methods but none has worked, because the bios is not UEFI and I have only puppy linux.
Give me a working method that works on your puppy on an old PC.
Thanks
If legacy boot is enabled, then
The boot manager displays a list of items that can boot using UEHI
and the boot manager also lists legacy boot items, in addition to the UEHI items.
like cd/dvd discs and usb flash drives.
To boot legacy items, the BIOS copies to ram the MBR (Master Boot Record)
which is the 512 bytes at the beginning of the drive, which is outside of any file system. and executes it (the MBR copy that is in ram)
Legacy boot does not understand files or file systems.
UEHI does understand files and file systems.
UEHI finds the boot configuration files, usually in a folder named boot
The UEHI boot files are normal files that can be copied and moved and deleted and edited.
I got win11 to install on an old P4 desktop with legacy bios. There is a free third party software (wintousb) to allow copy of this install to be moved to an external usb drive and from there on out, can be booted from that usb drive. MS used to have that ability built in least the "professional" versions, dont think the "home" versions ever did. But its third party freeware. The site offering it has paid software upgrades, but the free version will do this.
Sure I dont know the details of exactly what this software does, I do know you cant install windows then just move the SSD or hard drive to usb, wont boot that way. Needs whatever that third party software does. Oh and lot sites supposedly offering the wintousb but you probably want to download it from the original site.
Puzzled by this as I have all my W10 computers booting in legacy bios mode. I think that would only apply if W8-10 was originally installed in UEFI mode. If installed in legacy bios mode it will boot in that mode.
You are correct, as designed, but some clever people figured out how to bypass the limitations. It requires some serious manipulation, but does work. I have W11 running nicely on a 2007 vintage computer that doesn't even support UEFI.
On my machine, using UEHI mode,
UEHI boots MS Windows by default.
unless you press ESC to get a menu,
and you can choose memory tester, repair options, install options, boot manager, configure bios, etc etc
If legacy mode is enabled, you get all the exact same UEHI choices,
plus any legacy boot choices,
in my case, if I plug in a bootable usb flash drive
it gets added to the boot manager menu,
MS Windows boots by default (using UEHI), unless I use the boot manager menu.
With Linux you can download a Windows iso and when you do so you get the choice of which version you want. (Windows home or Pro). You select the one you have a licence for.
To answer the question, as recommended above Ventoy will work with a Windows iso and it will boot from either a PC with Legacy or UEFI settings. The instructions for installing Ventoy to a USB stick using Linux are giving here: _start.html after the Windows instructions.
Windows 10 can be installed without a TPM chip and it you can install it on a Legacy BIOS computer.
I am trying Ventoy
./VentoyGUI.x86_64
That created 2 partitions, 1 empty exfat and 1 efi 32Mb vfat, and then ?
I just copy the iso in the usb ?
I am gonna try it later.
Who here please did try the ventoy thing ?
If you prepared the Ventoy USB stick then just copy your iso's to the large exfat partition and then safely remove USB stick. Pop the Ventoy USB stick into the PC that you want to do the installation on and select that to boot from.
I did it, but it failed.
The legacy BIOS doesn't reckognize the usb as a bootable device.
And got this message "disk boot failure, insert system disk and press enter".
It has to do with secureboot ? Or other options ?
Just been trying my Ventoy USB stick in various 32 bit laptops. On a 2009 Acer Aspire one I got the full list of iso's but it quickly changed to only the first item on the list without my intervention and that is near as I have got to your case. I have looked a bit more at my Ventoy USB stick and I have 3 partitions whereas you normally get 2. I have added another to have the ability to load files on it and make it more useful. I have attached a screenshot of my Ventoy USB partitions as seen by GParted together with my list of iso's that I can load. You will note that one of the partitions has got the boot flag set which will be needed for Legacy computers. Is that the case with yours.
P.S. There are ONLY 2 forum distros ISO files that boot directly from this (or any) Ventoy without issues (many). There are instructions on this forum for how to easily handle that; to have all of your PUPs/DOGs boot without the issues mentioned.
Not sure what you are doing but just so that I can see if there is anything going on with newer versions of Ventoy than what I have used in the past I downloaded the latest ventoy-1.0.82 and extracted it. I read the README in the extracted directory and opening a terminal in the extracted directory typed "sh Ventoy2Disk.sh -i /dev/sdb" without the ". After typing y to a few warnings about the USB was just about to wiped and data destroyed it did its work and installed Ventoy on the USB stick. I then transferred some Puppy iso's into sb1 to test it. On rebooting and selecting the USB stick up come the menu with the Puppies on so that I could boot them. I tried on a few laptops including the old one described below and a UEFI only one.
To make sure that it was not an old hardware issue, for the above work, I used an old 2009 single core Atom 32 bit laptop running bionic pup to prepare the USB stick. The only issue that I got was downloading the Ventoy from the git site because the I had difficulty getting the option to do that with old browsers and so did it with a Mint installation.
I will add that the Ventoy2Disk automatically: formatted sdb1 as exfat with the label Ventoy and set the boot flag and formatted the 32 MiB sdb2 partition as fat16 with the label VTOEFI with the esp flag set
Is your old PC 32 bit one or a 64 bit? ./VentoyGUI.x86_64 is for 64 bit PCs. There is a VentoyGUI.i386 for 32 bit PCs. If you followed my example I think Ventoy will sort itself out and the default is that secure boot is disabled.
OK. Your PC is not that old. You have to try something. Sometimes a USB make doesn't play ball and in cases such as yours it is wise to try another USB make. Repeat the process that I used to create the USB stick and see it that works. If it doesn't I am out of ideas.
Just to add that I came across an old Windows 7 DVD and had time to create an iso from it with the dd command. I added the created iso to the Ventoy USB stick prepared earlier and on an old 2009 Atom laptop it booted where I selected Windows 7 and it booted into the screen where I had to start selecting details for Windows to proceed. So it shows that Ventoy works fine.
If desperate and wanting to learn more you can try the procedure outlined here -a-b ... ing-linux/
And btw .. how environmentally friendly. Mother nature will say "thank you" in terms of valuable resources if tons of systems will need to be decommissioned and in most (if not all cases) with no real technical reason.
I don't think TPM as a requirement is all that great either. It's probably going to be the next scourge for computer users, along with cloud-based software with subscriptions that milk the customer monthly when Microsoft or whoever suddenly dictates what application on your system is considered secure.
Personally, I'm still undecided and will wait until new technologies like DDR5 with ECC support, etc. will hit the market anyway. So it is very likely that I will refuse to buy Win11 with TPM support as long as it is possible and then re-evaluate the market / the situation.
What about TPM ? Did you follow a workaround from internet or do you have a quite new system or one where you can add the chip to it (I could theoretically upgrade my Supermicro motherboard with a TPM chip, but then it will probably fail due to the age of the 6-core CPU) ?
Yeah, time will tell. My older Dell laptop (XPS 15, 9550) was shipped with TPM but disabled. Dell enabled that at that time only for more expensive or business models. Needs a BIOS patch to work, it seems. If that doesn't come it stays with W10 - no issue for me...
One thing upfront: there will certainly be different opinions on the subject and far be it from me to start a controversial discussion! So, this is my opinion, which I don't want to impose on anyone, so please let everyone make up their own minds. And if you need a new system for your business, then you surely can not wait. I am here more in a comfort zone, as I have no business drivers for a new system, because this is only my private PC.
1. that my still very performant Xeon 6-core is simply no longer supported for extremely flimsy reasons
2. that a lot of systems are unnecessarily thrown away worldwide, although sustainability should be on everyone's lips nowadays and we should be careful with the limited resources available.
3. compulsion for TPM 2.0 and Secure Boot
4. that Microsoft is making Windows / the GUI worse and worse and I can't even install Windows 11 to evaluate the product because my CPU is not supported (I could even upgrade TPM 2.0 for my board, but in the end I don't want to).
5. And at the moment still many teething problems (e.g. performance issues with AMD)