Trimble Tsc5 Controller

[Lola Maroun]

Ireally think there would have been a lot less headaches with the tsc7 or any windows 10 machine running access, but working alone it just seemed like too much weight to be carrying around for 10 hours with all my other gear, stakes etc.

Sorry the first video uploaded was the wrong one, it ended up being the same as the second one. Fixing it right now. It is tricky to record especially when the pole is on top of a Rebar 10?? out of the ground.

I still want to troubleshoot these issues in my spare time but I need to be as productive as possible now with a wedding coming up in July, my fiance needs me to cut down my hours a little to help out, and keeping up with the schedule with this equipment is tough.

the February updates really screwed up some things with Access, and I have inside info on a natl rental group that rolled theirs back on all units because of that fiasco. it seems like a software glitch is amuck at the moment.

In the measure points operation, make sure you had hit the measure button for a measured value, then hit store with a unique point ID. Your instrument may not be in edm tracking mode to give you a value, and your deltas may be showing you your occupied point deltas compared to your stake point deltas.

@350rocketmike if you did the turn to bs and it changed from active to passive or vice versa. That is usually because whatever prism you performed the bs with right or wrong it remembers it. For the scope pointing down on turning it will do the same thing if you want to turn to any point with say elevation of 0. Or -99999999999.9999 use to happen a lot with even the old Trimble 5600 robots. Because it sees any number in the elevation field as an elevation. Cad folks for years prior to that we used 0 or -99999999 as a non elevation default. Years ago I would just simply open my stake out ascii/csv file and do a find an replace the -9999999999. With a nothing so it would be like 100,10000.000.5000.000,,5??o/s PointNumber,northing.easting,,code or description. By leaving nothing in the comma delimited space Trimble software saw it as a no. Issue. Same goes in reverse if you are doing a topo some field procedures were to type 0 in for rod height if you wanted the cad person to not use it for elevation. However in Trimble simply just delete the height and a ? Mark shows up so now no elevation is calculated. Because 0 is a height and can be an elevation. Like reflector mode. I use 0 for something i am shooting that i want elevation calculated for say height of a building. But if i don??t want elevation I simply use the ? In rod height field. If like today i just want northing and easting no elevation at all i simply just leave elevation blank. Sorry you are having issues hope this helps some. We all been there trying to learn new equipment and its no fun.

In the case of my backsight point in the video I uploaded the backsight had a proper elevation and was backsighted with the same mt1000 semi active prism setting for the entire job and it was the first and only time in that job. So no real explanation for the behavior still.

@350rocketmike gotcha on that part. Yes i have seen some goofy stuff even with the tsc7 latest Trimble access update. But the tsc5 is even newer. I want one a TSC5 but i aggee manufacturers all have issues just like a new vehicle with new engine and tranny for the first year or so until we the users identify all the quirks. I tried watching the video on my phone and i am in the cheater glasses stage so I could not see everything. I will try and get my laptop up and running this weekend and try watching it from that to see. Yes if you have points that are not supposed to have an elevation on it then have them not to set it at zero. I think there is a setting somewhere now someone said that identifies the -9999999@ as null elevation but i have not tried it or looked at it. I just remember in Trimble survey controller software prior software to Trimble access I would clean up my csv stake out files from cad calcs so my gues didn??t have to watch the old robots do a nose dive. It was mostly a problem on a new job and they would have the instrument turn to a few points so they had an idea where to start from and get oriented on the job itself. But I imagine it is a better way now but unsure. I know it??s probably in the help manual or owners manual hidden somewhere. I use to print those darn things out and every time someone asked me how to do something I would find it mark and highlight and tab that section. Then I would give them a sticky note with page number so the would read it for themselves. My outlook was always Give a man a fish he eats for a day teach a man to fish he eats for a lifetime. But these forums and such nowadays are priceless. Heck you can find all sorts of tricks and advice. I bet there are some major power users out there that are way more knowledgeable than I am. What I have seen though is most get new equipment and want it to work like the old way instead of getting into the flow and seeing how to make it dance and be as productive as possible. I ran a 1203 with carlson. I would not even try to compare the Trimble and carlson leica to each other. I would approach them both differently as they both have pros and cons. But some similar features but two entirely different animals. I could be productive with either. But I would manage my data differently and work a little different based on there strengths. Heck today i used a rag tape 90 degree prism and marking keel. I was having a hard time finding some corners so I pulled the sidelines off the building marked them used gps to locate and a couple other corners. Ran the angles out from bearings and hit my keel marks withen a tenth or two finally got the site figured out and found some adjoiners. You might be right on the glitches I would have my dealers on speed dial. And send them every issue i had until it was fixed. Thats a 5k plus data collector and who knows on the robot and multi track. You will get it figured out i am sure. Good luck man don??t give up ever.

@350rocketmike one tip on gps search. Now I mostly run an old tsc3 now days its a back up for the office I work part time for. And when gps search is off it will piss you off lol. It??s basically running a calibration from not so accurate hand held gps to whatever coordinates system you are on in the background. As soon as you take your backsight if you and your data collector or at the backsight turn the tracking distance mode on and walk around I usually take a quick topo shot codeded gs for ground shot or delete if not needed on my job. I try and get a few shots in an open area gps friendly not in woods or up next to a van or building. Then once it tells me gps search ready i turn the instrument with joystick away from me walk a bit then hit gps search if its good i am off to work i do this as i am working fyi. If its bad i reset the gps and let it start all over again. If you are close to instrument it is not that good. I use the joystick and tracking lights as I can??t see that scope like I could 20 years ago. What i will say is this. I have ran many robots even going back to the old geodometer which Trimble bought out. I will go toe to toe with any of them with searching and tracking with the s series Trimble on any day. Now i have not ran the latest and greatest leica or carlson or topcon or sokkia. So they might be better. But we just staked a property line with thick as laurals and bushes and trees and vertical change wednesday and I never had an issue. It was finding me and I could not see how. But the line was straight lol. The guy who was running it said everytime i gripe about it as soon as i get in spots like this I remember just how good i have it. I was standing behind him and seeing little holes and say rais the rod two tenths and bam locked. It will lock and not get a distance just lean it easy left and right till distance pops or rais it a little or lower it. Its just like having an eye man finding a hole. But not as fast sometimes.

@350rocketmike i don??t walk 360 i just try and get out away from the instrument sometimes i will just prop rod up on bi pod a few hundred feet away and look at what i am about to do. I say once you get under a 100 feet or so i use joystick and tracking lights not gps search a few meters of gps accuracy is not good close up. The other is you should be able to set the prediction on it i walk behind dozers etc on sites and it anticipates me. There is a setting for it or atleast it use to be. I would up it on small commercial construction sites and shorten it when i was further away. Had a crew chief once ask me why i would change that i said because I don??t like searching i like pounding wood. He finally caught on and his rod man said every time we worked together he would comeback with a new tricks lol. Just close your left eye stand on 1 foot do the hokey pokey and hold your mouth right and all will be good in life. Lol. I am getting a tsc5 next week for an eval on doing a big job maybe i will see what i can hammer out on it if all goes well. I will be using it to perform an intergrated survey with s5 and r12i. I used intergrated survey methods on many jobs with s6 and 5800. But its not for every job but some jobs its the cats meow. I did a 50 acre boundary behind a 1 second traverse once for a test. I never set one control point. Just resection off gps to locate corners in woods. Gps in open field. Compared all results and the company said this was the deal breaker. He outfitted 3 crews with s6 and tsc2 and r8??s . I want to compare the canopy gps observations. I also want to test the javad system might be my next hobby to test.

Stake points cannot be averaged in the same way that topo shots can, because at the time of observation, it has to compute grid deltas and cut/fill info. Modifying a stake point after the fact would be messy and might cause some major problems with delta comps.

If you open up the point manager, scroll to 503_stk, you should see two different observations with two different coordinates. The first one observed will be what it holds for the final point position, but both will have the correct grid deltas if you review them.

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