The Testimony of Angelica Zambrano who experienced NDE

[Paul]

Angelica Zambrano was shown the Kingdoms of Heaven and Hell, and the
Return of Christ this is her video testimony translated in English She
saw Michael Jackson in hell, she saw Selena Quintanilla Perez in hell,
and Pope John Paul II in hell.

For a period of 23 hours, a young Ecuadorian girl named Angelica
Zambrano was shown the Kingdoms of Heaven and Hell, and the Return of
Christ. She witnessed Jesus weeping as He overlooked multitudes of
souls lost forever, a world that has rejected Him, a Church that is
mostly unprepared for Him, a people that have stopped witnessing to
the lost, and an entertainment industry that even lures children to
satan. She saw the Latina singer Selena Quintanilla Perez in hell.
Selena told her to tell the people on earth not to listen to or sing
her songs. She also saw Pope John Paul the second in hell. She
testifies that Michael Jackson is in hell. She also saw kids in hell.
She saw a vision of the rapture, and saw some pregnant women who were
left on Earth but their babies were raptured out of their stomach.

View the youtube through the site below.

http://www.testimoniesofheavenandhell.com/2011/03/angelica-zambrano-was-shown-the-kingdoms-of-heaven-and-hell-and-the-return-of-christ/

Public reaction on this testimony is mixed ranging from utter
disbelief to total belief. I wonder what the opinion of the SCAN
members on this story. It pays to have a feedback and arrive at a
general opinion of our own on this matter. On my part, Zambrano's
testimony has a dramatic impact on me personally, simplify because of
what happened two hours before I was led to this website story of
hers.

Paul

[Paul]

am sorry ... she did not experience NDE

On Feb 28, 9:21 am, Paul <pauldejil...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Angelica Zambrano was shown the Kingdoms of Heaven and Hell, and the
> Return of Christ this is her video testimony translated in English She
> saw Michael Jackson in hell, she saw Selena Quintanilla Perez in hell,
> and Pope John Paul II in hell.
>
> For a period of 23 hours, a young Ecuadorian girl named Angelica
> Zambrano was shown the Kingdoms of Heaven and Hell, and the Return of
> Christ. She witnessed Jesus weeping as He overlooked multitudes of
> souls lost forever, a world that has rejected Him, a Church that is
> mostly unprepared for Him, a people that have stopped witnessing to
> the lost, and an entertainment industry that even lures children to
> satan. She saw the Latina singer Selena Quintanilla Perez in hell.
> Selena told her to tell the people on earth not to listen to or sing
> her songs. She also saw Pope John Paul the second in hell. She
> testifies that Michael Jackson is in hell. She also saw kids in hell.
> She saw a vision of the rapture, and saw some pregnant women who were
> left on Earth but their babies were raptured out of their stomach.
>
> View the youtube through the site below.
>

> http://www.testimoniesofheavenandhell.com/2011/03/angelica-zambrano-w...

[Louie Alday]

I am not sure if SCAN members will be able to arrive at a general opinion regarding this matter. I would simply like to share my reflection on St. Peter. There was a time in my life, when I began to ask my students how they would feel if they were given the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven...and so bound in heaven what we have bounded on earth...or loosen in heaven what we have loosened on earth...For many perhaps (since I even do want to judge the many for this) it is but natural to feel privileged about this. Can you just imagine condemning all your enemies and all those you hate on earth to hell and then giving a pass for heaven to all those you love. What a privilege! Another question that lingered in my mind is: of all people, why entrust the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven to Peter. Why not to John, whom the Lord Jesus loved so much? Why Peter? Simply because he confessed that Jesus is the Messiah? Why Peter of all people? He who tried to bid the Lord to stay away from him after the miraculous catch of fish because he was a sinner. He who denied Jesus three times, which biblically meant he did so more than Judas did. Why Peter of all people? My questions led me to this. The keys of the Kingdom of Heaven was entrusted to Peter, because among the Twelve Apostles, it is he who experienced the forgiveness of God the most. Only he could understand how much it means to be forgiven by the Lord and only he could extend that forgiveness of the Lord. I could not remember the book one of the priest during our high school days in the seminary was reading. But that priest shared to us a question from that book. The question was: how would you feel (or react for the matter) if you die, go to heaven and then meet there the most sinful person you ever met on this earth? God is the ultimate and absolute judge of our actions--and even our intentions for He is said to be omniscient. But God is also the most merciful and the ultimate and absolute Lover. If out of His infinite graciousness, He chooses to save and bring into His Kingdom the most sinful person we have ever know, can we question Him? Absolutely not! Angelica Zambrano may have seen Michael Jackson, Selena Quintanilla and Pope John Paul II in hell. However, from my personal study and following of Jesus Christ, I could not simply put any judgment on these people. I leave the judgment all to God. Are they in heaven or are they in hell? For me, only God knows...I would also have to beg Angelica Zambrano about what she saw  and whom she saw in heaven, if ever she was granted that vision...Well, is it part of our human psychology, or has it become so, that we again have to instill the fear of hell, so that we could motivate people to opt for heaven. Can Angelica Zambrano not tell us how beautiful heaven is, if she ever had that vision, so that we could start dreaming about it and making it our very positive goal...But it may not also be that since we could not have heaven as our goal...for it is more of a grace or gift God grants us--communion with Him!

[Emmanuel Ikan Astillero]

Angelica's experience could, at best, be a "hallucination". Her mind was fed with so much dogma about the Catholic church that on sleeping, she dreamed of the dogma's. My son, for example, has a pregnant wife and she's expecting this month or the next. Their firstborn was aborted. And they love to have the baby. The other night, he dreamed that the baby already came out and was smiling at him. He even described the baby's face in detail. When one keeps thinking of something all the time, one dreams of it. The concept of hell as a place for punishment does not jibe with the concept of a "God" that is all loving, all forgiving, etc. A "God" like that cannot throw souls to eternal torment in a "hell". Theosophy holds that after physical death, out astral body and then our mental body gradually exhaust their thoughts (for the mental) and their emotions (for the astral), and then the "Higher Self" goes into a more peaceful state. In the period while exhausting all remaining thoughts and emotions (read: "desires"), one could experience, what could be "hell" because these remaining thoughts and desires cannot be fulfilled by a non-physical body, e.g., liking to drink alcohol but cannot drink alcohol, etc. 

[Paul]

Zambrano’s testimony is getting vehement reactions from the Catholic
circles. Some say that it’s an attack against the papacy, against the
Vatican City, against the priests. It’s even an attack against those
in the New Age Movement and against those who do not anymore believe
in the existence of hell as a place of eternal damnation and
suffering, created by God and reserved for those who disobey Him and
who do not follow His Will.

As students of ACA, what could perhaps be our response to Zambrano’s
testimony? Let me digress a bit first by discussing a perspective of
Cosmic Anthropology for viewing reality and arriving at the ultimate
truth.

In our class in Applied Cosmic Anthropology, I make it a point to tell
my fellow-students that “it’s not a matter of believing or judging
whether something –a testimony of one’s experience, a doctrine,
philosophy, or teaching –is true or not, but simply a matter of
knowing and awareness.

Judging something as true or not, moral or immoral, is an activity of
the brain (left and right) and the mind (scientific and mystical), two
human faculties that are endlessly enmeshed in duality. The ultimate
judgment depends on whether or not one is heavily left or right
brained.

On the other hand, suspending judgment is an activity of our higher
human faculty, which is the consciousness. In a state of
consciousness, the individual is aware of what is going on inside his/
her brain – competing thoughts, emotions, desires; the individual is
at the same time aware of his/her surroundings, including the
conflicting teachings and testimonies of others that are perceived by
individual’s physical senses and interpreted by the brain and the
mind.

But in a deeper state of consciousness, the individual is not attached
to any of his/her thoughts, emotions, and desires. He/she simply
observes them and considers all this as information and knowledge. As
a result, thoughts or objects keep on passing by before the
consciousness.

On the level of the brain, the individual cannot normally do anything
but render a judgment or decision. The mind follows this judgment
through and transforms it into appropriate thoughts, emotions, and
desires. The alternative is to ignore and disregard the information
and do anything about it.

This is where the brain-mind dynamics differs with the dynamics of our
consciousness. In a state of consciousness, the individual does not
ignore or disregard the information or object. He/she is totally aware
of everything – its vibration, frequency, intensity as well as the
effects that it can bring to the individual and society. Our human
consciousness is not totally empty (void, nada, tabula rasa), for it
is seething with potentialities, probabilities, and opportunities
awaiting and ready to erupt and be tapped and manifested in reality.

Even quantum science acknowledges the reality of human consciousness.
The content or message of these potentialities and probabilities comes
to the individual consciousness in the form of insights, vision
(clairvoyance) or inner voice (clairaudience), and other meta-physical
phenomena which can instantaneously manifest itself, even without the
promptings of the individual observer or subject. This non-physical or
extra-sensory perception comes as intuition – a term which is also
beginning to be accepted in the scientific circles. Other similar
terms are hunch, inspiration, prompting, etc. The manifest action or
behavior in turn influences the dynamics of two-sided brain and mind,
and eventually propels the individual to act and behave accordingly.

So, in a state of consciousness, the individual is not passive; in
fact, the individual or observer is very much active and becomes one
with the observed. Knowledge becomes experience – the individual
experiences the observed or the information and knowledge. The
observer and the observed becomes one reality, in communion with each
other.

In the end, knowledge-in-itself – processed in the state of
consciousness – is transformative and life changing.”

How is this approach or philosophy discussed in ACA applied to
Zambrano’s testimony, especially in the case of “the reality of hell,”
and other cases which are highly disturbing for die-hard Catholics
like the case of Pope John Paul II, papal infallibility, etc.?

In a state of consciousness, the insights that appear through
intuition or incessant promptings may differ in form and type of
action, behavior, or application from individual to individual.
Knowledge about hell to the individual may appear before him/her as a
learning situation, i.e., a place or state to be avoided by
persevering in the performance of those activities that bring him/her
closer to the Cosmic Being, in the process paying all my debts (or
sins) which have accumulated over the years of my life’s existence.
Greater concern is given, therefore, to doing good and fulfilling
one's ultimate destiny, rather than be propelled by the fear of hell.

But again, that is only one case of an insight, while in the state of
consciousness. The content and action might not be true in your case.
You just have to experience how it is to be in a state of
consciousness and see how Zambrano’s testimony impacts on you
personally.

ACA is not telling us what the content, message, or information ought
to be. This is an individual concern arrived at through the
individual’s own, voluntary effort to access the state of
consciousness. ACA is simply suggesting to us to transcend or go
beyond the dynamics of the brain-mind; ACA is telling us that there is
a higher faculty – our consciousness – which can be tapped to arrive
at the truth and the ultimate reality; that the brain and the mind
cannot be totally trusted because of its innate tug-and-war
relationship, each claiming to be superior and more powerful than the
other.

By going beyond the brain-mind dimension, ACA is not also saying that
we totally abandon our brain and mind; it is not also saying that our
brain and mind cannot be relied upon and trusted. Science, biology,
neurosciences, philosophy, religion, psychology, philosophy, arts,
etc. have achieved several accomplishments that have benefited
humanity, especially in the areas of medicine, agriculture, industry,
transportation, communication, alternative healing and medicine,
instant healing, spirit communications, etc.

ACA is simply sending home a message that the photos which the brain-
mind faculty develops are incomplete to give us the whole picture of
the Cosmos (cosmology) and Humanity (anthropology). We have to go
beyond and tapped that higher state of consciousness.

The state of consciousness can be achieved through mediation, the
dynamics and stages of which the two Noels (Astillero and Santander)
were hammering in class last January 2012.


On Mar 6, 4:12 am, Emmanuel Ikan Astillero

> >   *From:* Paul <pauldejil...@gmail.com>
> > *To:* Society of Cosmic Anthropologists <
> > society-of-cosmi...@googlegroups.com>
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, 28 February 2012, 9:21
> > *Subject:* The Testimony of Angelica Zambrano who experienced NDE

>
> > Angelica Zambrano was shown the Kingdoms of Heaven and Hell, and the
> > Return of Christ this is her video testimony translated in English She
> > saw Michael Jackson in hell, she saw Selena Quintanilla Perez in hell,
> > and Pope John Paul II in hell.
>
> > For a period of 23 hours, a young Ecuadorian girl named Angelica
> > Zambrano was shown the Kingdoms of Heaven and Hell, and the Return of
> > Christ. She witnessed Jesus weeping as He overlooked multitudes of
> > souls lost forever, a world that has rejected Him, a Church that is
> > mostly unprepared for Him, a people that have stopped witnessing to
> > the lost, and an entertainment industry that even lures children to
> > satan. She saw the Latina singer Selena Quintanilla Perez in hell.
> > Selena told her to tell the people on earth not to listen to or sing
> > her songs. She also saw Pope John Paul the second in hell. She
> > testifies that Michael Jackson is in hell. She also saw kids in hell.
> > She saw a vision of the rapture, and saw some pregnant women who were
> > left on Earth but their babies were raptured out of their stomach.
>
> > View the youtube through the site below.
>

> >http://www.testimoniesofheavenandhell.com/2011/03/angelica-zambrano-w...

>
> > Public reaction on this testimony is mixed ranging from utter
> > disbelief to total belief. I wonder what the opinion of the SCAN
> > members on this story. It pays to have a feedback and arrive at a
> > general opinion of our own on this matter. On my part, Zambrano's
> > testimony has a dramatic impact on me personally, simplify because of
> > what happened two hours before I was led to this website story of
> > hers.
>

> > Paul- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[Paul]

Louie's concern whether or not "SCAN members will be able to arrive at
a general opinion regarding this matter" (referring to Zambrano's
testimony) is indeed a valid one. Having said my piece about the
testimony, I would say that there can be as many opinions as there are
SCAN members. For it all depends ultimately on the insight and
experience gained by the individual while in the state of
consciousness. But whatever that insight and experience is, there is
no debate and argument for nobody can, with authority (except God, of
course, as expressed by Louie), say that the insight and experience of
the individual is wrong. At the level of consciousness, one is only
aware of the insight and experience of the other, without passing any
judgment. For, as it was said, judgment is an activity of the brain
and the mind, but not of the consciousness. An oft-quoted phrase
"Judge not, so you will not be judged" is addressed primarily to brain
and the mind.

Meanwhile, Boni Comandante, who is described fondly by ACA students as
"a scientist-inventor-turned-mystic, but without abandoning science,"
brings out similar testimonies of people who experienced NDE. As he
said, there are two sides of any story, and I would hasten to add that
between these two sides is a range of several competing stories too
that need to be considered in the ACA perspective.

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[Emmanuel Ikan Astillero]

Hi Paul,

To be able to understand the experience of Zembrano (if indeed it was experienced at all andthis is not just a canard), we must consider the following: Is she, as you observed, in a "state of higher consciousness" or in a lower state of "brain-mind" - the terms you used.

In Theosophy, in Buddhism and Yoga, some of the major vehicles of mysticism (there are other schools), one attains a "higher level" of consciousness only through meditation or extreme physical pain or a very unusual psychical situation which, somehow, actuates a "trigger" that opens up one's higher consciousness. We do not know exactly what happened to Zembrano previous to her vision of hell, Jesus Christ, etc. The story is silent about her being in a state of samadhi which could being about higher state of consciousness. It is mentioned that she is in NDE, but there was also a denial in the material that she was in NDE (which would have actuated the "trigger").

Assuming that she was in NDE, and that her higher consciousness was somehow triggered to operate beyond the brain-mind continuum; what she saw in the vision is definitely what her faith (Catholic-Christianity) taught her since she was a child - with  some modifications - as what happens when we dream. The "reality" in our dreams is not what we experience during our waking state; there's always a mix-up, because the conscious state of waking, which relates the perception to the external environment - mostly one of conditioning - is not operational. Thus, mixed up with hell and Jesus Christ are Pope Paul II, MIchael Jackson and Selena - the former being taught to her for a long time, the latter being more recent information. We do not know what she knows about John Paul II, MIchael Jackson and Selena. As for Hell and Jesus Christ, we know that it comes from Catholic-Christian catechism.

I would believe her vision had she experienced the higher consciousness via meditation. Samadhi via meditation is intentional, purposive and controlled. That is, a person in meditation is "awake" - he is alert and not dreaming. One can achieve clairvoyance and clairaudience through meditation, once one passes from concentration to samadhi to visions and psychic powers, such as healing.  But Zembrano was not meditating. And therefore, her vision was "uncontrolled". Thus, I would reserve my acceptance of her visions.

Consciousness, according to Theosophy, operates from the lower mental - the part of the mind body that functions in the lower, external world, and which operates our physical body and emotions (astral body) - to the "higher mental" body that is also called the abstract mind. The Higher Mental Body links to Buddhi or "Intuition Body" which in turn links to "Atma" - the spirit body. Zembrano, if we are to believe her, was operating on "higher consciousness" at the level of the higher mental body, the Buddhic Body, and the Atmic Body. But since she was not meditating, her "higher perception" of reality is "uncontrolled" and could, most likely result from "mind-conditioning" - which I think is what happened. Given that she was in "higher consciousness", I tend to question what she "saw".

Given the above, there is ground to understand why the Catholics are scandalized; so with the family and fans of Michael Jackson and Selena! I am not scandalized because I am no believer of the papacy, nor am I a fan of Michael Jackson or Selena. But that is beside the point. My opinion really does not matter!

Fraternally yours in ACA,

Noel

[lee sabarre]

Hi there fellow cosmic anthropologists,

     One's unguarded soul could be out of the body and be able to communicate at the astral level where all the imitations of the divine are. These place, psychic level, not divine, is where discarnate souls are.

    One could be mislead to believe that it is the good Lord communicating, but it could be the astral ones, false ones misleading a seeking soul. You see they pretend to be light but there are subtle twists and bends mixed with some truths to mislead.

     Callling and befriending Archangel Michael  and having his presence and blue flame protection can seal us from false hierarchies in the astral level.

     Let us be vigilant and guard our Light.

LovingLee

      

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From: Emmanuel Ikan Astillero <emmanuelik...@gmail.com>
To: society-of-cosmi...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 8:54 PM
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