Re: SVR-list] Re: [NovaRoma-Announce] DICTATORIAL EDICT 014
Humberto E. Ricci, Jr.
Optime bene valete,
C. Aelius Ericius.
"V. Claudius Iohannes (alio nomine JKN)" <ioha...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>My own two denarii, after looking through this most-recent settlement offer
>from the Dictatura: At first it looks promising, but after the first two
>items, things bog down.... The troubling "offers" are these:
>
>3. Senators not removed by the Dictatura and who chose to resign will not
>be re-subscribed. Their actions were voluntary and were never required by
>the Dictatura. They have to live with the consequences of that decision.
>
>But it was the wrong-ness of the Dictatura itself that prompted those
>resignations. If Caesar were to be honest here, he would be saying, "they
>have to live with the consequences of OUR actions," and so damning himself
>and Sulla.
>
>4. Other citizens who were expelled may return but only after the
>corrective action has been taken regarding separating the res publcia and
>non-profit. They will be free to apply to return, at that point, under the
>prevailing legal conditions that will exist for everyone here after the
>split.
>
>This is mightily suspicious, as is the whole "split". It seems to have this
>objective: to continue NR (the res publica) as an enthusiast's corner, but
>to pool actual TAX receipts into the Non-Profit, which would be managed by
>the Dictators, and one must assume from which Caesar and Sulla would draw
>as they wished. They are already openly prepared to spend NR Citizen's
>money to defend their wrong-doing in the legal arena, when what they should
>do is restore NR.
>
>5. As a temporary measure, if the Senate votes a second term to the
>Dictatura, a Dictatorial edict will be issued at that point restoring
>Placidus as censor, but he will be one of three. Sabinus and Sulla will
>remain in office as well. Sabinus will remain in the background, and only
>act as a tie breaker should a significant impasse be reached between Sulla
>and Placidus.
>
>This Item no. 5 is just RIFE with troubling implications.
>
>First, Placidus would only be reinstated "as a temporary measure", meaning
>he's out even before they allow back im.
>
>Second -- and this points up the whole problem -- it is conditional on a
>Second Term for the Dictatura. But the Dictatura itself is the problem! Not
>the people expelled, not those who resigned in disgust, and not the phony
>"crisis" that Caesar and company concocted in order to implement their
>plans. If Caesar were serious here, he'd be talking about restoring the res
>publica; but again, his whole bent is upon creating his private
>"non-profit" corporation.
>
>Third: He would restore Placidus by DICTATORIAL Edict -- but the point is
>that the Dictatura lacked proper authority in the first place.
>
>Fourth: The last condition clearly reveals the offer to be made in bad
>faith: Placidus would only be restored in a new scheme of Three Censors.
>Sabinus (someone who is presently siding with the Dictators) would be
>retained along with malefactor Sulla as the "tie-breaker". This is
>transparently anti-republican and aimed, again, at preserving, undisturbed,
>the power of the Dictatura.
>
>6. Despite nonsensical claims being circulated about loyalty oaths ....
>
>The loyalty oaths may or may not have been circulated, I'm not sure if that
>can be established. But plainly the PURGED Senate was asked quite
>specficially to endorse the Dictatura in a Senate Vote that Sulla
>circulated and Livia Plauta published for our benefit earlier here:
>
>I. Discussion and endorsement of Dictatorship and actions so far taken.
>Proposed Senatus Consultum:
>
>"Do we, the Senate of Nova Roma, by vote of simple majority, support the
>issuance of the Senatus consulta ultima of November 16th, and the
>appointments of Gnaeus Iulius Caesar to the office of Dictator, and Lucius
>Cornelius Sulla Felix to the office of Magister Equitum, operating within
>the office of the Dictatura, and while recognizing this vote does not
>compromise the right of ratification by the Senate of Nova Roma upon the
>termination of the Dictatura, support the Dictatorial Edicts issued so far?"
>
>And, of course, the purged Senate supported the purgers: "Item 1 - PASSED
>UNANIMOUSLY (12 Yes - 0 No - 0 abstain)". No 'no' votes, no abstentions --
>because those had already been dealt with.
>
>
>
>
>On Tuesday, March 8, 2016 at 5:30:44 PM UTC-8, razenna1 wrote:
>
>> The thought that came to my mind was the saying, "Fool me once, shame on
>> you. Fool me twice ..." And how many coups does this make for NR at
>> present count? How many times has Woolwine Sulla been a part of them?
>>
>> C. Aelius Ericius.
>> Ricci.
>>
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>> *From: *"V. Claudius Iohannes (alio nomine JKN)" <ioha...@hotmail.com>
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>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 8, 2016 4:18:34 PM
>> *Subject: *[SVR-list] Re: [NovaRoma-Announce] DICTATORIAL EDICT 014
>>
>> Salve, Livia Plauta -
>>
>> This is indeed the latest news from over at NR, an almost substantial
>> settlement offer, as it seems.
>>
>> I will be interested to know how the NR Citizens named react at this
>> point.
>>
>> Vale bene.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 8, 2016 at 3:42:19 AM UTC-8, L. Livia Plauta wrote:
>>
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>>> Data: 07/mar/2016 05:41
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>>>
>>> DICTATORIAL EDICT 014
>>>
>>>
>>> I, Gnaeus Iulius Caesar, Dictator of Nova Roma, issue the following edict.
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. Dictatorial Edict 003 is rescinded. Aulus Liburnius Hadrianus
>>> (Citizen # 10604), Publius Annaeus Constantinus Placidus (Citizen # 5934),
>>> Gaius Petronius Dexter (Citizen # 11584) and Aula Tullia Scholastica
>>> (Citizen # 6596) are restored as Senators of Nova Roma.
>>>
>>> 2. In respect of Dictatorial Edict 001, Sextus Lucilius Tutor’s
>>> (citizen # 8934) membership ban is rescinded and his Nova Roma citizenship
>>> is restored. He is also restored as a Senator of Nova Roma.
>>>
>>> 3. The citizens specified in Dictatorial Edict 001 and 002, except
>>> for Sextus Lucilius Tutor who is dealt with as per (2) above, shall be
>>> eligible to apply for Nova Roman citizenship after the separation of the
>>> non-profit corporation Nova Roma Inc. and the Nova Roman res publica has
>>> taken effect. Such application shall be under the prevailing legal
>>> conditions at the time for Nova Roman citizenship.
>>>
>>> 4. This edict takes effect immediately.
>>>
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