Re: A. J. Danks

[DANIEL KRYNICKI]

Do know what a sophist or a casuist is?  Look at question #2 on page 42.  Do banks create credit out of nothing?  His answer is the pinnacle of sophistry.  Was Danks a banker?  He certainly didn't tell the whole truth.  

I'm not ready for any SC dividend or mutual credit.  Crime, like counterfeiting, will be a serious problem in any modern monetary system.  Therefore, the need for intricately coordinating materials and printing methods will always be required for preventive purposes.  I'm afraid we are in an age in which evildoers can always infiltrate with stealth, by hook and by crook.  It will take national coordination of expertise to maintain uniform standards for currency and interest free lending.  Our Constitution provides us with the way to do this.  Spend some time in Malone's Amendments.  Except for his dividend, they give a very good reality check, along with some core issues to reign in violations of the founding principles. 

The Old and New Testaments, plus Hoffman and Coogan are my main authorities.  I have already agreed that paper (linen) and cyberspace digits can serve just as honestly and usefully as gold as opposed to the original Biblical standard of only gold and silver.   But allocating a dividend to shiftless persons will be counterproductive and also is written authoritatively against in both the Old and New Testaments.  

I am not convinced that everything people expect in the way government services and infrastructure can be funded reasonably while paying a dividend at the same time.  Paying for these with money creations will undoubtedly produce a massive money supply that will need to be regulated with an income tax.  Additionally, elimination of all property taxes would probably be a wiser objective than inaugurating a dividend.  The Biblical system kept landowners who lived outside of the walled cities free from worry of losing their property with the Jubilee release of debt.  Estates were given a legal status of insuring that they could not be confiscated by the civil authorities.  I wrote the following to Anthony yesterday:

   "We should remember that if a government paid for its operations out of interest free money creations using only a flat rate income tax only to regulate the money supply, the people as a whole get the benefits of organized civilization - roads, bridges, police, fire protection, courts and judges.  All these benefits of a civilized society have a cost.  I think these SCers overestimate what automation has opened up in the way of a leisure dividend.  Sure, production is greatly enhanced by these advances in technology.  But the costs associated with design and build of this machinery along with a highly developed criminal justice system, road construction/maintenance, fire, police etc. etc. all add to what is actually something much more costly than the SCers estimate.  I'm not really convinced that a dividend is advisable or even possible.

   "Right now we also can fund retirement benefits and welfare programs with new interest free money creations.  The cost of government and social programs both add to the money supply in very large numbers.  Right now the City of Detroit is just about ready to file for bankruptcy.  It has an unfunded liability of about $15 billion for people who are retired and entitled to a pension.  If bankruptcy is filed and a judicial order declares the fund insolvent, then beneficiaries will be required to file a claim with the Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation (PBGC).  Whenever this has occured in the past, the beneficiaries typically get only 20 cents on the dollar for something they saved for all their lives.  Poof! Up in smoke.  That's how the money powers operate.  I can document several past occurrences in which this occurred.  They did happen as the result of malfeasance.  And these people in the SC forum are so naive to think a dividend is somehow going to make things right without taking away the real power bankers have." 

As for you setting the world on fire, think about it realistically.  A lot of this economics is based on moral considerations.  We must always be ready to consider that our personal opinions are based on a foundation of our past experiences and studies.  As human beings, we are continually able to assimilate new information, some of which we may not have previously considered.  Mathematics and Physics are like this, built upon foundations.  If we are not able to amend our opinions based upon new valid information that we gather, we become dishonest.  The truth is not in us.

Be Well Dick Eastman; and remember: If the Lord God has been around at least some 13 1/2 billion years, then don't you think his vision indeed can be shaped by some reality that has already played out somewhere, sometime?  Isn't it possible that we finite creatures may be missing a small detail that will change a planned outcome altogether?  Even Danks recognizes that theory and practice are completely different.  An engineer at times believes that his two dimensional drawing of a machine that will operate in three dimensional space complete with outside forces acting on all of its parts and motions designed into it will somehow make everything perfectly clear to him.  I will admit that some engineers I worked with in the past had very great intelects and through years of experience and a strong background were able to perform this feat of ingenuity much better than others.  Yet there remains our finite nature and outside pressures that even the very best of us succumb to in our performances.  I'm sorry, not one human being exists, who has the ability to convert theory into practice authoritatively without trial and error.  The errors will always surface after the machine is operated, not before.  

And so it is with CH Douglas Social Credit.  At best, it is an unproven theory.  More than this, we have admonitions against both usury and the Douglas dividend.    

Daniel Krynicki 

Proverbs 6:6 | Read whole chapter | See verse in context

Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise:

Proverbs 14:12 | Read whole chapter | See verse in context

There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Proverbs 16:25 | Read whole chapter | See verse in context

There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

[Jim Schroeder]

Hi Daniel:

 

Do you know what a non-sequitur is?

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"²⁶ Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?

²⁷ Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?

²⁸ And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:

²⁹ And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.

³⁰ Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?

³¹ Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?

³² (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

³³ But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you."

 

Matthew 6:26 - 6:33

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 8:36 AM, DANIEL KRYNICKI <pipefi...@wowway.com> wrote:

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[DANIEL KRYNICKI]

Yes, in this case it applies to social crediters.

On May 16, 2013, at 5:23 PM, Jim Schroeder <jimsch...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Daniel:

 

Do you know what a non-sequitur is?

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 8:36 AM, DANIEL KRYNICKI <pipefi...@wowway.com> wrote:

Do know what a sophist or a casuist is?  Look at question #2 on page 42.  Do banks create credit out of nothing?  His answer is the pinnacle of sophistry.  Was Danks a banker?  He certainly didn't tell the whole truth.  

I'm not ready for any SC dividend or mutual credit.  Crime, like counterfeiting, will be a serious problem in any modern monetary system.  Therefore, the need for intricately coordinating materials and printing methods will always be required for preventive purposes.  I'm afraid we are in an age in which evildoers can always infiltrate with stealth, by hook and by crook.  It will take national coordination of expertise to maintain uniform standards for currency and interest free lending.  Our Constitution provides us with the way to do this.  Spend some time in Malone's Amendments.  Except for his dividend, they give a very good reality check, along with some core issues to reign in violations of the founding principles. 

The Old and New Testaments, plus Hoffman and Coogan are my main authorities.  I have already agreed that paper (linen) and cyberspace digits can serve just as honestly and usefully as gold as opposed to the original Biblical standard of only gold and silver.   But allocating a dividend to shiftless persons will be counterproductive and also is written authoritatively against in both the Old and New Testaments.  

I am not convinced that everything people expect in the way government services and infrastructure can be funded reasonably while paying a dividend at the same time.  Paying for these with money creations will undoubtedly produce a massive money supply that will need to be regulated with an income tax.  Additionally, elimination of all property taxes would probably be a wiser objective than inaugurating a dividend.  The Biblical system kept landowners who lived outside of the walled cities free from worry of losing their property with the Jubilee release of debt.  Estates were given a legal status of insuring that they could not be confiscated by the civil authorities.  I wrote the following to Anthony yesterday:

   "We should remember that if a government paid for its operations out of interest free money creations using only a flat rate income tax only to regulate the money supply, the people as a whole get the benefits of organized civilization - roads, bridges, police, fire protection, courts and judges.  All these benefits of a civilized society have a cost.  I think these SCers overestimate what automation has opened up in the way of a leisure dividend.  Sure, production is greatly enhanced by these advances in technology.  But the costs associated with design and build of this machinery along with a highly developed criminal justice system, road construction/maintenance, fire, police etc. etc. all add to what is actually something much more costly than the SCers estimate.  I'm not really convinced that a dividend is advisable or even possible.

   "Right now we also can fund retirement benefits and welfare programs with new interest free money creations.  The cost of government and social programs both add to the money supply in very large numbers.  Right now the City of Detroit is just about ready to file for bankruptcy.  It has an unfunded liability of about $15 billion for people who are retired and entitled to a pension.  If bankruptcy is filed and a judicial order declares the fund insolvent, then beneficiaries will be required to file a claim with the Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation (PBGC).  Whenever this has occured in the past, the beneficiaries typically get only 20 cents on the dollar for something they saved for all their lives.  Poof! Up in smoke.  That's how the money powers operate.  I can document several past occurrences in which this occurred.  They did happen as the result of malfeasance.  And these people in the SC forum are so naive to think a dividend is somehow going to make things right without taking away the real power bankers have." 

As for you setting the world on fire, think about it realistically.  A lot of this economics is based on moral considerations.  We must always be ready to consider that our personal opinions are based on a foundation of our past experiences and studies.  As human beings, we are continually able to assimilate new information, some of which we may not have previously considered.  Mathematics and Physics are like this, built upon foundations.  If we are not able to amend our opinions based upon new valid information that we gather, we become dishonest.  The truth is not in us.

Be Well Dick Eastman; and remember: If the Lord God has been around at least some 13 1/2 billion years, then don't you think his vision indeed can be shaped by some reality that has already played out somewhere, sometime?  Isn't it possible that we finite creatures may be missing a small detail that will change a planned outcome altogether?  Even Danks recognizes that theory and practice are completely different.  An engineer at times believes that his two dimensional drawing of a machine that will operate in three dimensional space complete with outside forces acting on all of its parts and motions designed into it will somehow make everything perfectly clear to him.  I will admit that some engineers I worked with in the past had very great intelects and through years of experience and a strong background were able to perform this feat of ingenuity much better than others.  Yet there remains our finite nature and outside pressures that even the very best of us succumb to in our performances.  I'm sorry, not one human being exists, who has the ability to convert theory into practice authoritatively without trial and error.  The errors will always surface after the machine is operated, not before.  

And so it is with CH Douglas Social Credit.  At best, it is an unproven theory.  More than this, we have admonitions against both usury and the Douglas dividend.    

Daniel Krynicki 

<Danks 7.jpg>

<Danks 8, 9.jpg>

<Danks 42, 43 *.jpg>

Proverbs 6:6 | Read whole chapter | See verse in context

Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise:

Proverbs 14:12 | Read whole chapter | See verse in context

There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Proverbs 16:25 | Read whole chapter | See verse in context

There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

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[DANIEL KRYNICKI]

Here again is an example of the practice in which clever individuals pull out a passage of wisdom and use it out of context to lead the weak minded into error, sophistry at its heart.  Nevermind the whole story.  And worst of all, ignore a great body of historical literature wich backs up the Biblical ban on domestic usury.  No nation will survive which steals from its people via the shackles of economic servitude.  Usury is the vehicle which enables parasites to gnaw away at what a nation produces, both usury on the national debt and usury as bank credit.   

  

On May 16, 2013, at 5:27 PM, Jim Schroeder <jimsch...@gmail.com> wrote:

"²⁶ Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?

²⁷ Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?

²⁸ And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:

²⁹ And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.

³⁰ Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?

³¹ Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?

³² (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

³³ But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you."

 

Matthew 6:26 - 6:33

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 8:36 AM, DANIEL KRYNICKI <pipefi...@wowway.com> wrote:

Do know what a sophist or a casuist is?  Look at question #2 on page 42.  Do banks create credit out of nothing?  His answer is the pinnacle of sophistry.  Was Danks a banker?  He certainly didn't tell the whole truth.  

I'm not ready for any SC dividend or mutual credit.  Crime, like counterfeiting, will be a serious problem in any modern monetary system.  Therefore, the need for intricately coordinating materials and printing methods will always be required for preventive purposes.  I'm afraid we are in an age in which evildoers can always infiltrate with stealth, by hook and by crook.  It will take national coordination of expertise to maintain uniform standards for currency and interest free lending.  Our Constitution provides us with the way to do this.  Spend some time in Malone's Amendments.  Except for his dividend, they give a very good reality check, along with some core issues to reign in violations of the founding principles. 

The Old and New Testaments, plus Hoffman and Coogan are my main authorities.  I have already agreed that paper (linen) and cyberspace digits can serve just as honestly and usefully as gold as opposed to the original Biblical standard of only gold and silver.   But allocating a dividend to shiftless persons will be counterproductive and also is written authoritatively against in both the Old and New Testaments.  

I am not convinced that everything people expect in the way government services and infrastructure can be funded reasonably while paying a dividend at the same time.  Paying for these with money creations will undoubtedly produce a massive money supply that will need to be regulated with an income tax.  Additionally, elimination of all property taxes would probably be a wiser objective than inaugurating a dividend.  The Biblical system kept landowners who lived outside of the walled cities free from worry of losing their property with the Jubilee release of debt.  Estates were given a legal status of insuring that they could not be confiscated by the civil authorities.  I wrote the following to Anthony yesterday:

   "We should remember that if a government paid for its operations out of interest free money creations using only a flat rate income tax only to regulate the money supply, the people as a whole get the benefits of organized civilization - roads, bridges, police, fire protection, courts and judges.  All these benefits of a civilized society have a cost.  I think these SCers overestimate what automation has opened up in the way of a leisure dividend.  Sure, production is greatly enhanced by these advances in technology.  But the costs associated with design and build of this machinery along with a highly developed criminal justice system, road construction/maintenance, fire, police etc. etc. all add to what is actually something much more costly than the SCers estimate.  I'm not really convinced that a dividend is advisable or even possible.

   "Right now we also can fund retirement benefits and welfare programs with new interest free money creations.  The cost of government and social programs both add to the money supply in very large numbers.  Right now the City of Detroit is just about ready to file for bankruptcy.  It has an unfunded liability of about $15 billion for people who are retired and entitled to a pension.  If bankruptcy is filed and a judicial order declares the fund insolvent, then beneficiaries will be required to file a claim with the Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation (PBGC).  Whenever this has occured in the past, the beneficiaries typically get only 20 cents on the dollar for something they saved for all their lives.  Poof! Up in smoke.  That's how the money powers operate.  I can document several past occurrences in which this occurred.  They did happen as the result of malfeasance.  And these people in the SC forum are so naive to think a dividend is somehow going to make things right without taking away the real power bankers have." 

As for you setting the world on fire, think about it realistically.  A lot of this economics is based on moral considerations.  We must always be ready to consider that our personal opinions are based on a foundation of our past experiences and studies.  As human beings, we are continually able to assimilate new information, some of which we may not have previously considered.  Mathematics and Physics are like this, built upon foundations.  If we are not able to amend our opinions based upon new valid information that we gather, we become dishonest.  The truth is not in us.

Be Well Dick Eastman; and remember: If the Lord God has been around at least some 13 1/2 billion years, then don't you think his vision indeed can be shaped by some reality that has already played out somewhere, sometime?  Isn't it possible that we finite creatures may be missing a small detail that will change a planned outcome altogether?  Even Danks recognizes that theory and practice are completely different.  An engineer at times believes that his two dimensional drawing of a machine that will operate in three dimensional space complete with outside forces acting on all of its parts and motions designed into it will somehow make everything perfectly clear to him.  I will admit that some engineers I worked with in the past had very great intelects and through years of experience and a strong background were able to perform this feat of ingenuity much better than others.  Yet there remains our finite nature and outside pressures that even the very best of us succumb to in our performances.  I'm sorry, not one human being exists, who has the ability to convert theory into practice authoritatively without trial and error.  The errors will always surface after the machine is operated, not before.  

And so it is with CH Douglas Social Credit.  At best, it is an unproven theory.  More than this, we have admonitions against both usury and the Douglas dividend.    

Daniel Krynicki 

<Danks 7.jpg>

<Danks 8, 9.jpg>

<Danks 42, 43 *.jpg>

Proverbs 6:6 | Read whole chapter | See verse in context

Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise:

Proverbs 14:12 | Read whole chapter | See verse in context

There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Proverbs 16:25 | Read whole chapter | See verse in context

There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

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