How to: Property Boundaries in my recon???

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Christian Claborne

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Jan 16, 2018, 12:01:23 PM1/16/18
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I'm a new SOTA and am trying to figure out how I can add property boundary lines to my recon planning.

I've had difficulty activating some of the rock piles around here in San Diego.  I'll drive up to what I think is my hike start only to find that its private property and other approaches seem to be ringed with private property or Indian land.  I'm using a web and app from alltrails but they don't have this data.  I'm told that backcountrynavigator.com app does have this but there is no IOS app.

Anyone have a favorite site or app (I'm iPhone) that can help?

Thanks & 73,

Chris, N1CLC (www.n1clc.com)

KG6HQD Jerry

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Jan 16, 2018, 2:39:18 PM1/16/18
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I like GAIA because I can add those extras to my account if needed and it allows me to use my phone for three primary functions, GPS, Spotting, Cell as needed.  With Gaia you can also go online and plan your routes and way-points in advance on a large screen then they sync to your phone.  Hope that helps you. 

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Adam Kimmerly

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Jan 16, 2018, 3:33:12 PM1/16/18
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As far as apps go...

GAIA is decent, but I really do think Backcountry Navigator is a better all-around app with greater functionality. I could go into detail if anyone is curious. Jerry - Is there an option on GAIA to show land ownership boundaries? Backcountry Navigator sells them by state for about 8 bucks each.

One online resource that works really well is Caltopo.com: https://caltopo.com/map.html#ll=32.8482,-116.41565&z=14&b=mbt&a=sma 
Caltopo.com has a land management overlay very similar to the Backcountry Navigator overlays.

Peakbagger.org and ListsofJohn.com are useful resources for route finding.

Hope that helps. 

Adam
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Garret Miller

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Jan 16, 2018, 3:36:17 PM1/16/18
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I use an app called OnX Hunt. I think it is $40 a year and it shows all private property boundaries as well as the owners name so you can maybe contact them and get permission. It also shows the National park and BLM land Boundaries.



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Michael Geoghegan

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Jan 16, 2018, 4:44:47 PM1/16/18
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I've always gotten away with a quick check on CalTopo.com by adding the land management overlay.

Also for access to peaks, you can usually find previous trip reports from day hikers, peak baggers, Sierra Club Peak List folks etc. with details and GPX files. Usually they have sorted out the access issues. Pull the GPX files and send them to GAIA and you are good to go. For safety, load the GPX into CalTopo and print out a map.  

Michael KX6A
 

Jerry Hildeman

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Jan 16, 2018, 5:35:38 PM1/16/18
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Yes, like the other programs/apps mentioned you can add the overlays you want or upgrade your account. If near BLM land you can go to their website that has interactive features that are really helpful too. 

Jerry Hildeman
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Michael Thompson

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Jan 16, 2018, 6:47:06 PM1/16/18
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If you go see your county tax assessor you can probably score that data in the form of a "shapefile" and then load it to your own online map. I use ArcGis Online, but Google maps might do it to.

Mike N6MST

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Daniel Ducey

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Jan 16, 2018, 10:37:46 PM1/16/18
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You can also check County Assessor property records online.

I.E.  http://maps.assessor.lacounty.gov/GVH_2_2/Index.html?configBase=http://maps.assessor.lacounty.gov/Geocortex/Essentials/REST/sites/PAIS/viewers/PAIS_hv/virtualdirectory/Resources/Config/Default

I've used this method for LA County and Kern County.  I'd guess other counties provide similar means.

Dan NA6MG

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Michael Thompson

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Jan 16, 2018, 10:50:17 PM1/16/18
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Dan,
We're you able to get property owner info in Kern County? I'm in Bakersfield and if I want owner info I have to go to the assessors office and use the workstation in their lobby to look up specific APN's to get owner information. Super inconvenient, especially if I ever get going with more than a single activation every couple years, haha! Or I can buy the shapefile for the entire county (I have to provide my own thumb drive, of course) for $80...

Mike N6MST

Daniel Ducey

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Jan 17, 2018, 5:04:53 AM1/17/18
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Mike,

I was able to the last time I checked, well over a year ago.  https://www.kerncounty.com/TaxPortal/

Generally, I don't waste time checking to see if where I'm going is on PP.  If I get there and there is no free access I don't bother with the peak and go elsewhere.  If I see PP signs or locked gates I don't enter.  Only one exception so far: Baldy Mtn W6/CT-105 from SR-74 near Mountain Center.  A forest road to the summit crosses a fenced and gated road with PP signs, NO TRESPASSING OR WE'll SEE TO IT THAT YOU'RE LOCKED UP (something like that).  Ordinarily I'd have turned around, gotten in my car and gone elsewhere.  However, it just so happened that it was the first day of deer hunting season and there were groups of well armed hunters passing over the gate and continuing up the road to the continuation of National Forest land.  As I was observing, a truck with a couple of game wardens drove up.  I asked if it was OK to cross and they said that it was but the property owners (a community property) ask that if you carry firearms to UNLOADED them before crossing.  A case of good/lucky timing - problem resolved.

An area in Kern County that I don't bother with is the Tehachapi Mountains.  Though Tehachapi Mountain in particular is on the Sierra Club Hundred Peaks List, I know that it is on PP.  There was a rather lengthy article online from a local Tehachapi newspaper particularly about that summit that told of the property owner refusing to open access to the peak to hikers or any other kind of recreation.  The owner is a CA Assemblyman (something of that sort).  The article has since vanished... Yet for years the summit has been on the Sierra Club list.  I actually did hike to that summit once, well before SOTA and I encountered no PP signs.  When SOTA started, I hiked up and encountered a flimsy PP sign (would have been easy to tear down) so, I turned around...  Had the sign not been there, I'd have gone on up the short distance to the summit.

I get the feeling that the owner doesn't really care if hikers tag the summit.  Probably doesn't specifically allow hikers in order to avoid liability should an injury occur and a law suit follow...  Why would you allow the public on your property if you understand any one of them may sue you should he stumble and scrape his knee??  I don't know, don't care about that one, won't cross the line, not interested in getting the points.  Though, if you search the web, you'll find plenty of postings of hikers going there and on to Double Mountain (also PP).

Good Luck,

Dan NA6MG

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