Dr Laura's nude photos -- a late comer's opinion
Dave Butner
details that are behind the criticism of Laura Schlessinger, so let me fill
you in.
In addition to the book you mention, Schlessinger has also authored a newer
book titled "The Ten Commandments". She claims to be an expert on the
subject and projects the image that she lives by these sacred commandments.
Well, one of the Ten Commandments is in regard to adultery. What you seem
to be unaware of in regards to the photos is that the photographer of the
pictures is Bill Balance, who was Schlessinger's boss. The photos were
taken by Balance at a time when Schelssinger was married and having an
affair with Balance.
So what we have is a woman who goes on the radio preaching high morality,
and writes books about high morality, making lots of money doing so, when in
fact she is a complete phoney and does not practice what she preaches.
She has been exposed as a hypocrite and the photos were released by Mr.
Balance as the proof.
lin...@hotmail.com wrote in message <77h0vh$krp$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>News has just reached this corner of the globe that apparently some nude
>photos of Dr Laura have been released to the internet (news travels slow
>'round these parts).
>
>First let me say that I have never heard Dr Laura's radio show nor do I
know
>much about her views or opinions. I did once hear an interview with her
>broadcast
>by the BBC and she did strike me as having conservative views concerning
>marriage and relationships.
>
>Apparently, she is the author of a book titled "12 Stupid Things Smart
Women
>do to Ruin Their Lives" or something to that effect. Much of the criticism
of
>her over the nude photo incident has focused on "How could the author of
such
>a book herself be so stupid??" Such critisicm sends chills up my spin and
it
>is this that has prompted me to make this posting. Indeed, my reaction is
so
>visercal, it is difficult to translate it into words coherent composition.
>
>I find this criticism disturbing on two points:
>
>The first simply stated is this (when in doubt resort to baby talk)--
>
>"Trust" is good; "abuse of trust" is bad.
>
>The issue is, what sort of behaviour do we reward and support and what sort
do
>we discourage with criticism? The current wave of criticism essentially
>translates to "How could you be so stupid as to be good?! You should have
been
>cynical, mistrusting and suspcious...."
>
>There are those I'm sure who will say, "The world is the way it is. Smart
>people learn to deal with it." I say, "NONESENSE!" The world is what we
make
>of it. It takes work and effort and not all the work and effort always
leads
>to immediate success. But those who are doing the right things (the "good"
>things) should be recognized supported and rewards....irrespective of the
>outcome of their efforts. On the other hand, those who do bad things (and
>thus make the world "what it is") are the ones who should recieve the
>criticism and denegration. Trusting (especially when born out of loving
>attraction and affection) is certainly a good and positive things. Dr Laura
>deserves are support for having done so (and sympathy that it failed). That
>her boyfriend or whoever, proved to be untrustworthy is unfortunate...but
>certainly no grounds for criticizing HER.
>
>
>The sceond objection is much more easily expresed: nudity is not bad!
>
>It never ceases to amaze me how American can come from such a supposedly
>liberal society and yet be so scandalize by images of the naked human form.
>There is nothing wrong with being naked or being seen naked. I don't know
>what Dr Laura's reaction to all this has been (that part of the story has
yet
>to filter down to these remotre regions). But I would hope that it would be
a
>yawn. Perhaps an embarassed blush and a grin. Somehow I doubt that's the
case
>(otherwise, it wouldn't be "big news").
>
>What's the big deal? She posed nude for some photos for her
>boyfriend/husband/lover whomever. Yeah so? The photos were released to the
>internet. Shame on whoever broke her trust and released them. But other
than
>that.....what? The whole world gets to see her naked! Yeah, and...? I've
seen
>the photos. She is certainly an attractive woman -- no need for shame
there.
>But my own personal tastes are not the issue.
>
>At any rate, I would be interested in reading others reactions. Am I really
>that far off base? Have I ben stuck out here in Nowhere-Land for too long?
>
>--
>"The only one who knows these words are but a token
>is he who has the tongue to tell
>but must remain unspoken."
>
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lin...@hotmail.com
deepn...@my-dejanews.com
--deepneptune
move at the speed of dark
and you will see
the light
lin...@hotmail.com
issue. The "hypocracy" aspect had not been brought into focus. Until now, my
understanding of the criticsm of her on the grounds of hypocracy had been
along the lines of "Here's this woman who is espouses 'traditional' values
and yet she poses for nude photos...." Adultery hadn't been mentioned.
If that is truly the case, then you are correct, it sheds a new light on the
issue.
It's a shame though that the adultery/hypcoracy issue has gotten entangled in
with issues of nudity. It makes it all too easy to loose focus and make it
seem that her nudity is the "bad" part.
Again, thank you for your input.
In article <77h43s$9p5$1...@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
"Dave Butner" <dbu...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> What you say is very valid, however you appear to be unaware of a few major
> details that are behind the criticism of Laura Schlessinger, so let me fill
> you in.
>
> In addition to the book you mention, Schlessinger has also authored a newer
> book titled "The Ten Commandments". She claims to be an expert on the
> subject and projects the image that she lives by these sacred commandments.
>
> Well, one of the Ten Commandments is in regard to adultery. What you seem
> to be unaware of in regards to the photos is that the photographer of the
> pictures is Bill Balance, who was Schlessinger's boss. The photos were
> taken by Balance at a time when Schelssinger was married and having an
> affair with Balance.
>
> So what we have is a woman who goes on the radio preaching high morality,
> and writes books about high morality, making lots of money doing so, when in
> fact she is a complete phoney and does not practice what she preaches.
>
> She has been exposed as a hypocrite and the photos were released by Mr.
> Balance as the proof.
>
> lin...@hotmail.com wrote in message <77h0vh$krp$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> >--
> >"The only one who knows these words are but a token
> >is he who has the tongue to tell
> >but must remain unspoken."
> >
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>
>
--
"The only one who knows these words are but a token
is he who has the tongue to tell
but must remain unspoken."
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Samuel Bethune
Your initial assessment of Ms. Schlessinger (I refuse to use the word
"Doctor" because I consider it misleading - her doctoral degree is in
physiology, not psychology) is essentially correct.
The photos in question were taken over 20 years ago by an individual who
Schlessinger describes as a "mentor" who was several years her senior and
with whom she had an affair while both parties were separated from (but
still married to) their respective spouses. On a personal level, I believe
the pictures are quite erotic and as such have no problem with them. What I
do have a problem with is Ms. Schlessinger's radio persona. She denigrates
and verbally abuses those who call in with problems as though she is the
moral compass of the nation and has never done anything wrong. For me, it
comes down to the old adage that those who live in glass houses should not
throw stones. She is self-righteous, shrill, and sanctimonious...rather
like many of the Republican Congressmen who voted for Bill Clinton's
impeachment while ignoring their own sexual indiscretions.
I feel sorry for those who call her show expecting to receive helpful advice
but who instead receive a shrill scolding and rude, abusive behavior from
someone who is hardly in a position to be giving advice, much less forcing
her own views of morality on someone else.
Sam
Tikarose
>
>At any rate, I would be interested in reading others reactions. Am I really
>that far off base? Have I ben stuck out here in Nowhere-Land for too long?
I know nudity is not wrong per se. However, lusting after someone you're not
married to is, thinking about sex with someone other than your mate is, and
therefore people need to cover up to help others maintain control of
themselves as well as to protect their bodies from the elements.
Our bodies are the most personal things we have, and when we give people
privy to them those people (person)ought to be special..and our bodies a
gift we give. If we simply bare all to everyone what kind of gift is that? A
used one...not much of a present, huh?
Tikarose
Dave Butner wrote in message <77h43s$9p5$1...@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
>So what we have is a woman who goes on the radio preaching high morality,
>and writes books about high morality, making lots of money doing so, when
in
>fact she is a complete phoney and does not practice what she preaches.
>
And what we have here is someone who doesn't have a clue! What Dr.Laura did
in her PAST is in no way to be used to come to a conclusion of what she is
TODAY! Up until a few years ago Dr. Laura didn't preach high moral living
and since she has begun to, she hasn't lived as she once did. So get a grip!
>She has been exposed as a hypocrite and the photos were released by Mr.
>Balance as the proof.
Mr. Ballance is the immoral one who abused a private relationship to seek
revenge.
Tikarose
lin...@hotmail.com wrote in message <77hkh4$4s3$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>along the lines of "Here's this woman who is espouses 'traditional' values
>and yet she poses for nude photos...
Of course, all of you have never done anything in your entire lives that
you'd rather keep to yourselves, right?
Putting things into perspective Dr. Laura lived for herself and by HER OWN
rules alot longer than she's been a moral individual, therefore alot of past
might surface to embarrass her, but you know what? If she continues on her
present path she will bless and change many lives..can you say the same?
Tikarose
Samuel Bethune wrote in message <77jmgp$gar$1...@remarQ.com>...
>She denigrates
>and verbally abuses those who call in with problems as though she is the
>moral compass of the nation and has never done anything wrong. For me, it
>comes down to the old adage that those who live in glass houses should not
>throw stones. She is self-righteous, shrill, and sanctimonious...rather
I can understand your problem with this...I find this a bit upsetting
myself, however, the advice she gives others is GOOD advice, if followed,
their lives will be more fulfilling...just because her attitude or rudeness
surfaces more than it should doesn't mean she isn't giving good advice.
Dave Butner
Tikarose wrote in message <7829k8$j9o$1...@camel18.mindspring.com>...
>
>And what we have here is someone who doesn't have a clue! What Dr.Laura did
>in her PAST is in no way to be used to come to a conclusion of what she is
>TODAY! Up until a few years ago Dr. Laura didn't preach high moral living
>and since she has begun to, she hasn't lived as she once did. So get a
grip!
>
So you think I don't have a clue? And you also think that Schlessinger IS
practicing what she preaches? The Balance affair was in the "PAST", so we
should forget about that? My friend, it is you that is clueless.
There are still plenty of examples TODAY that she is a hypocrite and a
phoney.
>Mr. Ballance is the immoral one who abused a private relationship to seek
>revenge.
>
Yeah right......just like Kenneth Starr is the immoral one who abused a
private relationship to seek
revenge also, right?
ton...@hotmail.com
see her for free since she is the cover girl of this website
http://www.jagworld.com/adult/jag-lara.htm
In article <7829th$pfj$1...@camel18.mindspring.com>,
"Tikarose" <tika...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> Putting things into perspective Dr. Laura lived for herself and by HER OWN
> rules alot longer than she's been a moral individual, therefore alot of past
> might surface to embarrass her, but you know what? If she continues on her
> present path she will bless and change many lives..can you say the same?
>
>
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CJ
news:7829k8$j9o$1...@camel18.mindspring.com...
>
>And what we have here is someone who doesn't have a clue! What Dr.Laura did
>in her PAST is in no way to be used to come to a conclusion of what she is
>TODAY! Up until a few years ago Dr. Laura didn't preach high moral living
>and since she has begun to
Ok then, what year did she start preaching morality? I want a date.
>, she hasn't lived as she once did.
How do you know? Do you know her personally? She just might be having an
affair on Lew and you wouldn't know it.
>Mr. Ballance is the immoral one who abused a private relationship to seek
>revenge.
And her cheating on her first husband wasn't an act of immorality?
CJ
>
>Samuel Bethune wrote in message <77jmgp$gar$1...@remarQ.com>...
>
>
>>She denigrates
>>and verbally abuses those who call in with problems as though she is the
>>moral compass of the nation and has never done anything wrong. For me, it
>>comes down to the old adage that those who live in glass houses should not
>>throw stones. She is self-righteous, shrill, and sanctimonious...rather
>
>
>I can understand your problem with this...I find this a bit upsetting
>myself,
And that is really the problem most people in here have with Laura....not
necessarily her message, but the way she delivers it.
>however, the advice she gives others is GOOD advice
Sometimes yes,.....sometimes no.
>, if followed,
>their lives will be more fulfilling...
WRONG! If my mother followed her advice, I'd NEVER have a relationship with
even at least ONE of my real parents.
My mother decided to keep me, being single, rather than giving me up for
adoption. I would be damn pissed at Laura if I found out that I didn't grow
up with my real mother.
Laura also misses the fact that most single mothers DO end up remarrying. I
wouldn't have had my life any other way and resent Laura for telling single
mothers, who more than likely have nothing but the best interest in mind for
their child, to JUST give their children up for adoption JUST because the
father decided to jump ship.
Tikarose
CJ wrote in message <91677783...@nntpcache1.nortel.net>...
>Tikarose <tika...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:7829th$pfj$1...@camel18.mindspring.com...
>>
>>lin...@hotmail.com wrote in message <77hkh4$4s3$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>
>And you won't see me berating people for their current bad choices in life
>either.
Neither will I, unless I am asked my opinion...
CJ
news:7829th$pfj$1...@camel18.mindspring.com...
>
>lin...@hotmail.com wrote in message <77hkh4$4s3$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>
>
>Of course, all of you have never done anything in your entire lives that
>you'd rather keep to yourselves, right?
And you won't see me berating people for their current bad choices in life
either.
Tikarose
CJ wrote in message <91677829...@nntpcache1.nortel.net>...
deepn...@my-dejanews.com
>
> Of course, all of you have never done anything in your entire lives that
> you'd rather keep to yourselves, right?
>
> rules alot longer than she's been a moral individual, therefore alot of past
> might surface to embarrass her, but you know what? If she continues on her
> present path she will bless and change many lives..can you say the same?
Well, i've been on my own Godless authority since birth, and have known
enough not to pose nude or screw my boss to get ahead while I'm still
married. If she continues on the same path, as with when she started
on that path, she should stop portraying herself as a psychiatrist.
If she wants to be a Junior-Rabbi and call herself one, that's fine with
me. I change many lives; I bless no one.
--deepneptune
~~Moving at the Speed of Dark~~
deepn...@my-dejanews.com
"Tikarose" <tika...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> Dave Butner wrote in message <77h43s$9p5$1...@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
>
> >So what we have is a woman who goes on the radio preaching high morality,
> >and writes books about high morality, making lots of money doing so, when
> in
> >fact she is a complete phoney and does not practice what she preaches.
> >
>
> in her PAST is in no way to be used to come to a conclusion of what she is
> TODAY! Up until a few years ago Dr. Laura didn't preach high moral living
>
> >She has been exposed as a hypocrite and the photos were released by Mr.
> >Balance as the proof.
>
> revenge.
>
advancement.
bcyn...@netcom.com
>Tikarose <tika...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:782acv$357$1...@camel18.mindspring.com...
>>
>>Samuel Bethune wrote in message <77jmgp$gar$1...@remarQ.com>...
>>
>>
>>>She denigrates
>>>and verbally abuses those who call in with problems as though she is the
>>>moral compass of the nation and has never done anything wrong. For me, it
>>>comes down to the old adage that those who live in glass houses should not
>>>throw stones. She is self-righteous, shrill, and sanctimonious...rather
>>
>>
>>I can understand your problem with this...I find this a bit upsetting
>>myself,
>
>And that is really the problem most people in here have with Laura....not
>necessarily her message, but the way she delivers it.
>
No, the problem IS her messege, esp the part where
she blames everyone for all their problems. If your husband
is beating you, it is your fault for sticking around. If your kid
is on drugs, it is your fault for being a bad mother. If you
have trouble finding a job, it is the attitude you project.
Really - this sort of stuff may please the right wing fundies,
but it is not good advice.
bcyn...@netcom.com
<tika...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>Dave Butner wrote in message <77h43s$9p5$1...@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
>
>
>>So what we have is a woman who goes on the radio preaching high morality,
>>and writes books about high morality, making lots of money doing so, when
>in
>>fact she is a complete phoney and does not practice what she preaches.
>>
>
>And what we have here is someone who doesn't have a clue! What Dr.Laura did
>in her PAST is in no way to be used to come to a conclusion of what she is
>TODAY! Up until a few years ago Dr. Laura didn't preach high moral living
>and since she has begun to, she hasn't lived as she once did. So get a grip!
And in all the time she was preaching "high moral living",
did she ever once admit to having an affair in her earlier days?
Why did it take an ex who posted the stuff to the internet to
bring the affair to light?
Tikarose
are living the same way...NOT A THING!
bcyn...@netcom.com wrote in message
<36a4f937...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>...
CJ
>>either.
>
>
So you are saying you will berate someone if you ask them your opinion? I
will give my honest opinion, but berate them?? Come on.
CJ
>Gotcha!!! I stand corrected!
Hope ya didn't think I was jumping you....I wasn't. Just giving a real life
example.
CJ
Tikarose
deepn...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
<7832cr$qpu$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>Well, i've been on my own Godless authority since birth, and have known
>enough not to pose nude or screw my boss to get ahead while I'm still
>married.
Well good, it was still YOUR choice. If you had found no fault in thoses
areas your choice of action would have still been YOUR choice. That doesn't
make you any better, just more morally correct.
> If she continues on the same path, as with when she started
>on that path, she should stop portraying herself as a psychiatrist.
>If she wants to be a Junior-Rabbi and call herself one, that's fine with
>me. I change many lives; I bless no one.
Well, if she's still behaving badly, I agree.
Tikarose
CJ wrote in message <91684344...@nntpcache1.nortel.net>...
>So you are saying you will berate someone if you ask them your opinion? I
>will give my honest opinion, but berate them?? Come on.
I will tell them their behavior was less than correct, be that's called
"berating" in your opinion, yes.
Tikarose
CJ wrote in message <9168440...@nntpcache1.nortel.net>...
Tikarose
FVF wrote in message <36ae7870...@news.alt.net>...
I should have said the body is not "dirty"...oh please, please forgive
me...I don't know how I could have been such an idiot...Waaaaaaaa!
Geeeeeze! Rolling eyes AGAIN! It must be great to be as perfect as you guys
are!
>
>Make up your mind. Either nudity isn't wrong per se, or people need
>to cover up to help others 'maintain control'. That sounds so much
>like a conservative woman viewpoint. I have to change ME to help >him
>control HIMSELF.
>
That's right! I'm very conservative. Men are sight oriented and women need
to keep that in mind and dress appropriately.
>Doesn't matter if a woman runs around in a thong. The so called >'men'
that just has to grope or rape a woman, "because she ASKED >for it, look how
she was dressed...", is crap. A real MAN can control
>himself, can keep his hands to himself.
>
He needs to keep alot of stuff to himself and women ought to dress like
"ladies". It's my opinion, you don't like it...too bad.
>
>Too bad the saintly Dr L doesn't give others the same that she herself
>had: a second chance.
I've been given a second chance. Dr.Laura didn't give it to me, but then I
didn't ask HER for one. I value her opinions, but once I realize something
is inappropriate I change my actions without ANYONE else's permission.
> I've heard many woman call with questions that
>were about the same age as when those pics were taken, and she lamb
>basted them! Perhaps they are just simply masochists, and she is
>giving them what they truly want. A spanking.
Maybe...and look what her past has done for her...I'd be glad someone might
want to save me from this kind of horrible reactions from people.
Tikarose
FVF wrote in message <36aa5cb9...@news.supernews.com>...
>
>Well, my opinion is that women should have the SAME rights as men.
>And if you don't like that, you ARE conservative!
>
It's every one's responsibility to care about others. "Rights" have nothing
to do with responsibility. If men are turned on by my naked flesh and I
parade around with myself exposed, how can I be insulted if he behaves
himself in an unseemly way? Sure, he has the responsiblity to behave despite
how I'm dressed, but I have the responsibilty not to insite! I choose to do
my part whether or not you think it's correct. I get sick of women dressing
like hookers and then complaining no one takes them seriously. If you want
to be taken seriously look serious..if you want to be oogled and lusted
after, look like a hooker. Every woman's choice.
>
>Why not? Give her a call, and see how the saint responds to what your
>situation was, and your solution. Maybe she won't spank you.
>
Why would I? I'm intelligent enough to make my own decisions based on my
past experiences and my future goals.
>
>And what has the past done for her? I'm in my 40's, I've had 2 people
>in my life that I was intimate with, one my wife, I've never cheated
>on her and never will, I don't drink, smoke, do drugs and have never
>done any of the preceding. I work in the health field, I volunteer my
>time to the community, and lookout!....., I'm agnostic. I've never
>even done the crap that she has done, yet according to her, I'm a
>sinner!
>
Her past has gotten a whole network of people who'll never let her live it
down. Don't worry about what she thinks. According to my beliefs everyone's
a sinner. You sound like one of the finest sinners I've ever heard of..good
for you! I'm happy for your wife and glad you weren't like most of the men
in my past..yikes!
>
>She gets horrible reactions because I feel she is a self righteous twit.
>
Unfortunately, you're correct on this one.
>
> What a surprise others may feel the same. She makes judgement
>on others everyday on her show, and feels that only those with an
>organized religion is savable.
>
Well, she's mistaken.
deepn...@my-dejanews.com
--deepneptune
~~Moving at the Speed of Dark~~
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deepn...@my-dejanews.com
"Tikarose" <tika...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> What does a person's PAST have to do with their present life? Unless they
> are living the same way...NOT A THING!
True.
Why hide it then?
Ted Krueger
>>Well, my opinion is that women should have the SAME rights as men.
>>And if you don't like that, you ARE conservative!
This is a whole 'nuther thread of its own.
>It's every one's responsibility to care about others. "Rights" have nothing
>to do with responsibility. If men are turned on by my naked flesh and I
>parade around with myself exposed, how can I be insulted if he behaves
>himself in an unseemly way?
Bingo!
I am reminded of a case in a Midwestern College or University where a
professor used to oogle coeds at the swimming pool. They filed a
complaint against him and he was forced to undergo sensitivity training
as a condition of retaining his position.
I always wonder why women wear revealing clothes and then get pissed if
someone looks at them.
Why the hell are they revealing themselves if they don't want to be
looked at?
Ted
the cruel
the spanked
--
"Several polls have found that the public says that lawbreakers are not fit
for office, that Clinton is a law-breaker, and that Clinton is fit for office.
In one focus group, women broke down in tears when asked to resolve this
cognitive dissonance." - Ramesh Ponnuru, NR, 12/31/98 kru...@neta.com
bel...@sprynet.com
"Tikarose" <tika...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> FVF wrote in message <36ae7870...@news.alt.net>...
>
> I should have said the body is not "dirty"...oh please, please forgive
> me...I don't know how I could have been such an idiot...Waaaaaaaa!
>
> Geeeeeze! Rolling eyes AGAIN! It must be great to be as perfect as you guys
> are!
>
You can only aspire to my greatness.
> >
> >Make up your mind. Either nudity isn't wrong per se, or people need
> >to cover up to help others 'maintain control'. That sounds so much
> >like a conservative woman viewpoint. I have to change ME to help >him
> >control HIMSELF.
> >
> That's right! I'm very conservative. Men are sight oriented and women need
> to keep that in mind and dress appropriately.
>
So women who dress provocatively are ASKING for it!
Ok! Orgy-time!
> >Doesn't matter if a woman runs around in a thong. The so called >'men'
> that just has to grope or rape a woman, "because she ASKED >for it, look how
> she was dressed...", is crap. A real MAN can control
> >himself, can keep his hands to himself.
> >
> He needs to keep alot of stuff to himself and women ought to dress like
> "ladies". It's my opinion, you don't like it...too bad.
> >
Sure. You're allowed to be completely wrong, incorrect, and ignorant.
Bravo, really!
>
> > I've heard many woman call with questions that
> >were about the same age as when those pics were taken, and she lamb
> >basted them! Perhaps they are just simply masochists, and she is
> >giving them what they truly want. A spanking.
>
> Maybe...and look what her past has done for her..
Set her up with 70 million?
.I'd be glad someone might
> want to save me from this kind of horrible reactions from people.
>
It's only horrible due to her hypocrisy.
>
Beldin
Official Bookie of ArtD-L
Grumpy old Sorcerer
Resident resident in residence
bel...@sprynet.com
"Tikarose" <tika...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> FVF wrote in message <36aa5cb9...@news.supernews.com>...
>
> >
> >Well, my opinion is that women should have the SAME rights as men.
> >And if you don't like that, you ARE conservative!
> >
> to do with responsibility. If men are turned on by my naked flesh and I
> parade around with myself exposed, how can I be insulted if he behaves
> himself in an unseemly way?
You're pathetic.
If you happen to be naked, he can appreciate the view, but that gives him NO
right to violate you.
NONE.
Sure, he has the responsiblity to behave despite
> how I'm dressed, but I have the responsibilty not to insite!
How about outsite?
You can dress any way you want.
It's HIS responsibility to behave.
Or are you really from the 1680's?
I choose to do
> my part whether or not you think it's correct. I get sick of women dressing
> like hookers and then complaining no one takes them seriously.
Some do. The incredibly narrowminded do not.
If you want
> to be taken seriously look serious..if you want to be oogled and lusted
> after, look like a hooker. Every woman's choice.
>
Sexist fool speak again.
From a woman, no less.
> >
> >Why not? Give her a call, and see how the saint responds to what your
> >situation was, and your solution. Maybe she won't spank you.
> >
> Why would I? I'm intelligent enough to make my own decisions based on my
> past experiences and my future goals.
> >
Apparently not.
> >And what has the past done for her? I'm in my 40's, I've had 2 people
> >in my life that I was intimate with, one my wife, I've never cheated
> >on her and never will, I don't drink, smoke, do drugs and have never
> >done any of the preceding. I work in the health field, I volunteer my
> >time to the community, and lookout!....., I'm agnostic. I've never
> >even done the crap that she has done, yet according to her, I'm a
> >sinner!
> >
> Her past has gotten a whole network of people who'll never let her live it
> down. Don't worry about what she thinks. According to my beliefs everyone's
> a sinner. You sound like one of the finest sinners I've ever heard of..good
> for you! I'm happy for your wife and glad you weren't like most of the men
> in my past..yikes!
So you have poor decision skills, and thus we all suck.
How quaint!
> >
> >She gets horrible reactions because I feel she is a self righteous twit.
> >
> Unfortunately, you're correct on this one.
Hey, I can agree here too!
CJ
That isn't berating someone, that is simply being honest. Berating them
would be like Laura does...telling them about their behavior, then calling,
say some girl, a "slut" as she's done many times.
HNBaines
>Date: 1/20/99 2:42 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <785f4d$2g4$1...@trojan.neta.com>
>
>In article <785728$ouu$1...@camel19.mindspring.com>,
>Tikarose <tika...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>FVF wrote in message <36aa5cb9...@news.supernews.com>...
>
>>>Well, my opinion is that women should have the SAME rights as men.
>>>And if you don't like that, you ARE conservative!
>
>
>>to do with responsibility. If men are turned on by my naked flesh and I
>>parade around with myself exposed, how can I be insulted if he behaves
>>himself in an unseemly way?
>
>
>I am reminded of a case in a Midwestern College or University where a
>professor used to oogle coeds at the swimming pool. They filed a
>complaint against him and he was forced to undergo sensitivity training
>as a condition of retaining his position.
>
>I always wonder why women wear revealing clothes and then get pissed if
>someone looks at them.
>
>Why the hell are they revealing themselves if they don't want to be
>looked at?
>
How would this professor feel if HE were being oogled by some gays that
hang out at poolside just to stare at men?
PS: If your professor friend wants to oogle, tell him to buy a magazine.
Rev. Mykeru
Tikarose wrote:
> lin...@hotmail.com wrote in message <77hkh4$4s3$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>
> >along the lines of "Here's this woman who is espouses 'traditional' values
> >and yet she poses for nude photos...
>
> Of course, all of you have never done anything in your entire lives that
> you'd rather keep to yourselves, right?
>
> Putting things into perspective Dr. Laura lived for herself and by HER OWN
> rules alot longer than she's been a moral individual, therefore alot of past
> might surface to embarrass her, but you know what? If she continues on her
> present path she will bless and change many lives..can you say the same?
Gee, you think it is very difficult to get on the radio and play the high-handed
moral authority with utterly no tolerance for human failings? It is a cheap
game.
Just to show you where Dr. Laura's intellectual integrity is at, when the photos
first were put on the web, she publicly claimed that they were not of her, but
tried to mount legal action claiming copyright infringement (even though she
didn't own the photos) on the sly.
Well, why not? She had gotten into the habit of characterising her two-year
affair with Ballance as a couple of lunches, and the photos were not only prima
facie evidence of her having an affair, not a couple of lunches with the man,
while she was married, showed her ability to lie shamelessly when she thought
she could get away with it. Also, there always was suspicion about her
relationship with Ballance, the man who launched her career in the first place.
You may call Balance immoral for releasing the photos, but he was also a man who
did much for this woman and seemed to have genuine feeling for her, and was
slighted by her in a rather cruel and ungrateful way. On top of that, Ballance
seems to have no regard for her veneer of morality, her authoritarianism,
intolerance, screaming and belittling of people. It was his opinion that he
created a monster by helping her career. Perhaps in his view, he was doing a
public service exposing her hypocrisy and meaness.
Remember, this is a woman who Dr. Marylin Kagan (a real psychologist, by the
way. Not a physiologist like Dr. Laura) thought was sociopathic.
And anyone who listens to this screeching, belittling, quick-by-the-rules advice
radio _act_ is like one of Rush Limbaugh's loyal listeners, except for the fact
that Dr. Laura is much like a female Morton Downey: Hard, inflexible, a rule
nazi (saves you the trouble of thinking) with less than thinly veiled contemp
for her listenership
--
Regards,
Rev. Mykeru
F.E.I.T.C.T.A.J.
Church of the Subgenius
myk...@emani.com
(reverse the domain name to reply)
Tikarose
FVF wrote in message <36b298df...@news.supernews.com>...
>You don't feel that a woman can wear something for herself? Perhaps
>she want's to feel 'wild', without actually being wild?
>
Let her do so in her backyard, or in her home, not in the streets...
There's no such thing as a woman wanting to ACT like something she
isn't...the best scenario of that situation is that a woman is actting in
ways she doesn't APPEAR to be in reality, because she hasn't got the NERVE.
Rev. Mykeru
Tikarose wrote:
> Samuel Bethune wrote in message <77jmgp$gar$1...@remarQ.com>...
>
> >She denigrates
> >and verbally abuses those who call in with problems as though she is the
> >moral compass of the nation and has never done anything wrong. For me, it
> >comes down to the old adage that those who live in glass houses should not
> >throw stones. She is self-righteous, shrill, and sanctimonious...rather
>
> I can understand your problem with this...I find this a bit upsetting
> myself, however, the advice she gives others is GOOD advice, if followed,
> their lives will be more fulfilling...just because her attitude or rudeness
> surfaces more than it should doesn't mean she isn't giving good advice.
You know what your PROBLEM is? You are IGNORANT! C'MON, WAKE UP AND SMELL THE
COFFEE? The PROBLEM is HYPOCRISY, and you are following a HYPOCRITE! END OF
STORY! YOU IDIOT!
Now, of course, in there is a kernal of good advice, that one can follow the
advice of people who have made mistakes, but not hypocrites, because they are
basically dishonest. But even if that is the case, do you think the above
paragraph presents it in a sane manner? No. It does not, because the above
confuses volume and berating with persuasion. Persuasion is tough, it takes
work, it takes listening, neither of which Dr. Laura does very well. Dr, Laura
constantly interrupts and cuts short her callers so she can squeeze them into
her prepackaged little boxes of advice.
I am certain that if people addressed you in this newsgroup the same way Dr.
Laura addresses her callers you would have killfiled them long ago. But Dr.
Laura is famous, she makes a lot of money, she is on the radio, so you follow
advice presented in a way you would abhor if anyone but Dr. Laura did it. You
would not allow friends to talk to you like that. The only relationship where
one party talks to another like that is in a parent/child relationship, and an
abusive one at that.
Tikarose
Rev. Mykeru wrote in message <36AC92EB...@emani.com>...
>You know what your PROBLEM is?
Yes, I have quite a few.
>You are IGNORANT!
No, that's not one of them...at least not on this topic.
>The PROBLEM is HYPOCRISY, and you are following a HYPOCRITE! END OF
>STORY! YOU IDIOT!
In YOUR opinion. I'm not following ANY one except Christ.
>I am certain that if people addressed you in this newsgroup the same way
Dr.
>Laura addresses her callers you would have killfiled them long ago.
Excuse me? I believe you just did and killing you would be stupid, immoral
and illegal on my part.
>But Dr.
>Laura is famous, she makes a lot of money, she is on the radio, so you
follow
>advice presented in a way you would abhor if anyone but Dr. Laura did it.
I'm sorry, but it's quite obvious that you don't know me AT ALL. Famous
people who make alot of money mean nothing to me, however, morals, ethics
and values on the other hand, do. I've been reading about them and learning
them from many sources all my life. Dr. Laura didn't make them up or invent
them.
>You
>would not allow friends to talk to you like that.
It's a free country, people can talk as they will. I don't have to put any
shoe on that dosn't fit.
Dave Butner
Tikarose wrote in message <78i5gg$qnq$1...@camel25.mindspring.com>...
>
>Rev. Mykeru wrote in message <36AC92EB...@emani.com>...
>
>>You know what your PROBLEM is?
>
>Yes, I have quite a few.
>
>>You are IGNORANT!
>
>No, that's not one of them...at least not on this topic.
>
>>The PROBLEM is HYPOCRISY, and you are following a HYPOCRITE! END OF
>>STORY! YOU IDIOT!
>
>In YOUR opinion. I'm not following ANY one except Christ.
>
>>I am certain that if people addressed you in this newsgroup the same way
>Dr.
>>Laura addresses her callers you would have killfiled them long ago.
>
>Excuse me? I believe you just did and killing you would be stupid, immoral
>and illegal on my part.
>
Tika,
He said *killfiled* not *killed*. It seems you are unaware of the net term
killfile. This is a filtering method you can use with your browser so that
you can *kill* messages by a certain person. For example, if you don't to
see all the bull that Jak is posting you can killfile his name in your
browser options and anything he posts will be filtered and you won't see it.
CJ
news:36AC92EB...@emani.com...
>>
>> I can understand your problem with this...I find this a bit upsetting
>> myself, however, the advice she gives others is GOOD advice, if followed,
>> their lives will be more fulfilling...just because her attitude or
rudeness
>> surfaces more than it should doesn't mean she isn't giving good advice.
>
>You know what your PROBLEM is? You are IGNORANT! C'MON, WAKE UP AND SMELL
THE
>COFFEE? The PROBLEM is HYPOCRISY, and you are following a HYPOCRITE! END OF
>STORY! YOU IDIOT!
<snip>
Mykeru.....Tika has come into this newsgroup and so far has been very civil,
unlike Jakthehmmr. I think he/she deserves a little civility in return.
I don't agree with Tika most of the time, but you will not hear me call
him/her names.
Dave Butner
bel...@sprynet.com wrote in message <78jbk9$qju$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>A killfile is a filter, removing posts from people you don't want to read.
>A terrible thing really, as it allows them to slam you unimpeaded. People
who
>use them do it out of frustration, but it costs far more than it's worth.
>
>Beldin
>Official Bookie of ArtD-L
>Grumpy old Sorcerer
>Resident resident in residence
>
You're one step away from my killfile Beldin. And you're wrong about people
using them out of frustration. For example, you do not frustrate me at all,
although I would be willing to bet that you would like to think you have
that ability. Killfilng you would be rather like swating away a small gnat
which is trying to feast on rotting fruit. In an instant, you are no longer
there and the world does not notice the absence of your presence. Your
worth is equal to the wart on a hog's ass.
bag...@my-dejanews.com
>
> How would this professor feel if HE were being oogled by some gays that
> hang out at poolside just to stare at men?
>
>
Maybe the Prof would do what I do and say 'Sorry but I don't walk down that
side of the street.' Hey take the complements when you can get them. :-)
Badger
bel...@sprynet.com
"Tikarose" <tika...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >I am certain that if people addressed you in this newsgroup the same way
> Dr.
> >Laura addresses her callers you would have killfiled them long ago.
>
> Excuse me? I believe you just did and killing you would be stupid, immoral
> and illegal on my part.
>
A killfile is a filter, removing posts from people you don't want to read.
A terrible thing really, as it allows them to slam you unimpeaded. People who
use them do it out of frustration, but it costs far more than it's worth.
Beldin
Official Bookie of ArtD-L
Grumpy old Sorcerer
Resident resident in residence
-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
Rev. Mykeru
CJ wrote:
You must be being disingenous. If you had read the following paragraph you would
have seen that the loud and obnoxious beginning was just for effect, because Dr.
Laura is not very civil either, which was the point.
Rev. Mykeru
Tikarose wrote:
> Rev. Mykeru wrote in message <36AC92EB...@emani.com>...
>
> >You know what your PROBLEM is?
>
> Yes, I have quite a few.
>
> >You are IGNORANT!
>
> No, that's not one of them...at least not on this topic.
>
> >The PROBLEM is HYPOCRISY, and you are following a HYPOCRITE! END OF
> >STORY! YOU IDIOT!
>
> In YOUR opinion. I'm not following ANY one except Christ.
>
> >I am certain that if people addressed you in this newsgroup the same way
> Dr.
> >Laura addresses her callers you would have killfiled them long ago.
>
> Excuse me? I believe you just did and killing you would be stupid, immoral
> and illegal on my part.
>
> >But Dr.
> >Laura is famous, she makes a lot of money, she is on the radio, so you
> follow
> >advice presented in a way you would abhor if anyone but Dr. Laura did it.
>
> I'm sorry, but it's quite obvious that you don't know me AT ALL. Famous
> people who make alot of money mean nothing to me, however, morals, ethics
> and values on the other hand, do. I've been reading about them and learning
> them from many sources all my life. Dr. Laura didn't make them up or invent
> them.
>
> >You
> >would not allow friends to talk to you like that.
>
> It's a free country, people can talk as they will. I don't have to put any
> shoe on that dosn't fit.
Hmmn, I seem to have found people who begin replying before they read the post
in its entirety.
Rev. Mykeru
CJ wrote:
> Rev. Mykeru <myk...@emani.com> wrote in message
> news:36AC92EB...@emani.com...
>
> >>
> >> I can understand your problem with this...I find this a bit upsetting
> >> myself, however, the advice she gives others is GOOD advice, if followed,
> >> their lives will be more fulfilling...just because her attitude or
> rudeness
> >> surfaces more than it should doesn't mean she isn't giving good advice.
> >
> >You know what your PROBLEM is? You are IGNORANT! C'MON, WAKE UP AND SMELL
> THE
> >COFFEE? The PROBLEM is HYPOCRISY, and you are following a HYPOCRITE! END OF
> >STORY! YOU IDIOT!
>
> <snip>
>
> Mykeru.....Tika has come into this newsgroup and so far has been very civil,
> unlike Jakthehmmr. I think he/she deserves a little civility in return.
>
> I don't agree with Tika most of the time, but you will not hear me call
> him/her names.
Come to think of it, in the future I will enclose all parody material in the
following brackets : [Begin hyperbolic parody] and end with [End hyperbolic
parody]. I didn't think that would be necessary since I immediately dropped the
caps and ranting in the second paragraph and referred to the first ranting
paragraph by saying "because the above
confuses volume and berating with persuasion". In other words, I stated that I
did not like that sort of thing because it was loud and abusive, rather in good
Dr. Laura form. However, I fear I did either overestimate the intelligence or
underestimate the deviousness of some usenet posters.
Then again, fuck 'em if they can't take a joke.
RHBHPN
heights to make lots and lots of money. Basically people are unintelligent
pawns in a big business game and are unaware of it . I think it is pathetic
myself.