The Wrath of Mom
Kira D. Triea
So I went with my mom to see my grandmother at the nursing home
yesterday and my grandmother asked me if I had a boyfriend. Of course
I replied that I didn't because I was a lesbian but I was in a
committed r'ship with another woman, and my mother just about hit
me. She got this really uptight tone of voice and said "Well I would
hardly call you a *lesbian*." Meaning I guess that I am actually just
your everyday garden variety Martian or something. Time to get out the
"I *AM* a lesbian" button I guess. I had intended it's use to be
educational for straight guys, not my mother.
You would think she would be used to this... I've not been sexually
involved with a man in my entire life. I have male friends though and
if I bring them over to my mother's house she goes nuts... asks them
over to dinner for potroast and makes brownies for them. It drives me
crazy. Wo be unto any butch woman who happens to cross my mothers path
in my presence. No brownies for them no siree.
Kiira, venting
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In article <1.x~81u...@panix.com>, tr...@qis.net (Kira D. Triea) wrote:
>
>So I went with my mom to see my grandmother at the nursing home
>yesterday and my grandmother asked me if I had a boyfriend. Of course
>I replied that I didn't because I was a lesbian but I was in a
>committed r'ship with another woman, and my mother just about hit
>me. She got this really uptight tone of voice and said "Well I would
>hardly call you a *lesbian*." Meaning I guess that I am actually just
>your everyday garden variety Martian or something. Time to get out the
>"I *AM* a lesbian" button I guess. I had intended it's use to be
>educational for straight guys, not my mother.
Wow, talk about in denial. I mean, it would be one thing if you weren't dating
*anyone*, then I guess I could see how she might say, "Well, you're not dating
any women, so you're not a lesbian! Hey, there's a good-looking fellow over
there!" But after you've said, "Hey, I've got a *girlfriend*!" and you're
serious about her...?!? What did your grandmother say?
I don't think I can come out to my grandmother until such time as I have a
serious girlfriend, because anything else would cause her to view it all as a
sex thing, instead of a love thing. Although I was on television last night
(more on that in another post) and I was dressed up about as butch as I get,
and my grandmother saw it and (for once! amazingly) didn't criticize me but
said I looked good. (Although she wasn't too happy when I told her part of my
hair was purple now.)
One time, after the millionth refusal on my part to accept a handbag or a
skirt from her as a present, she barked, "Whaddya wanna be? A FELLA?" I spun
around, looked her right in the eye and said, "YEAH, Grandma. I wanna be a
FELLA." She shut up after that. :-)
>You would think she would be used to this... I've not been sexually
>involved with a man in my entire life. I have male friends though and
>if I bring them over to my mother's house she goes nuts... asks them
>over to dinner for potroast and makes brownies for them. It drives me
>crazy. Wo be unto any butch woman who happens to cross my mothers path
>in my presence. No brownies for them no siree.
Well, I don't like chocolate and I don't eat meat, so anytime you want to
invite me home to show your mom your dyke friends, let me know. :-)
-- Ali.
boed...@netcologne.de
In article <1.x~81u...@panix.com>,
tr...@qis.net (Kira D. Triea) wrote:
>
>
> So I went with my mom to see my grandmother at the nursing home
> yesterday and my grandmother asked me if I had a boyfriend. Of course
> I replied that I didn't because I was a lesbian but I was in a
> committed r'ship with another woman, and my mother just about hit
> me. She got this really uptight tone of voice and said "Well I would
> hardly call you a *lesbian*." Meaning I guess that I am actually just
> your everyday garden variety Martian or something. Time to get out the
> "I *AM* a lesbian" button I guess. I had intended it's use to be
> educational for straight guys, not my mother.
>
I'd thought so, too... she has seen me often enough. Perhaps she thinks I was
a guy or what?!?! Sheesh...
Heike
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real cool attitude,..Ali!
Kira D. Triea
Heike schrieb:
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| In article <1.x~81u...@panix.com>,
| tr...@qis.net (Kira D. Triea) wrote|
| >
| >
| > So I went with my mom to see my grandmother at the nursing home
| > yesterday and my grandmother asked me if I had a boyfriend. Of course
| > I replied that I didn't because I was a lesbian but I was in a
| > committed r'ship with another woman, and my mother just about hit
| > me. She got this really uptight tone of voice and said "Well I would
| > hardly call you a *lesbian*." Meaning I guess that I am actually just
| > your everyday garden variety Martian or something. Time to get out the
| > "I *AM* a lesbian" button I guess. I had intended it's use to be
| > educational for straight guys, not my mother.
| >
| > You would think she would be used to this...
|
| I'd thought so, too... she has seen me often enough. Perhaps she thinks I was
| a guy or what?!?! Sheesh...
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Don't worry dearest... I've got it all worked out. We're Vampires. I'm going
out shopping for teeth and capes tommorrow.
Kiira <-- Heike's gf
Kira D. Triea
Dark Phoenix (a...@panix.com) wrote:
+---
| >"I *AM* a lesbian" button I guess. I had intended it's use to be
| >educational for straight guys, not my mother.
|
| Wow, talk about in denial. I mean, it would be one thing if you weren't dating
| *anyone*, then I guess I could see how she might say, "Well, you're not dating
| any women, so you're not a lesbian! Hey, there's a good-looking fellow over
| there!" But after you've said, "Hey, I've got a *girlfriend*!" and you're
| serious about her...?!? What did your grandmother say?
+---
Oh the purpose of the visit was immediately subverted to the business
at hand of course. Covering up "The Dark Shodaw of Lesbianism" which
had been cast across our family history by my little indescretion.
+---
| One time, after the millionth refusal on my part to accept a handbag or a
| skirt from her as a present, she barked, "Whaddya wanna be? A FELLA?" I spun
| around, looked her right in the eye and said, "YEAH, Grandma. I wanna be a
| FELLA." She shut up after that. :-)
+---
Good answer. :-)
+---
| Well, I don't like chocolate and I don't eat meat, so anytime you want to
| invite me home to show your mom your dyke friends, let me know. :-)
+---
Thanks. Bring your hockey stick... you'll need it. :-)
Kiira
boed...@netcologne.de
This coming out stuff is just always the same shit, especially if they don't
want to let you come out but rather try to stuff you back... yech!!
In my case: I all too well remember once having had similar debates w/ my
stepmother. She never had had it necessary to talk to me about sexuality. As
if what she had put me thorough had had *absolutely nothing* to do w/ sexual
functioning!! Yeah, in the sense that she simply wasn't interested in me any
longer probably. Neither did she *want* to realize that I had *reasons* for
running around in girl clothes, and, still worse, behaving "like" a girl
while dressed androgynously, or, still more worse, even in male DrAG ("Only
girls do this kind of gesture!! Do you *really* want to be taken for a
girl?!?!" -- "I didn't *even realize*... but... yeah, why not? <yawn>" --
"<hysterical scream>"), but this is a different story still. Our first
conversation about my sexual orientation was in my *late* teens when one day
I made a joke at her stereotyped thinking -- she had asked some stupid
question about some guy w/ whom I attended school and w/ whom I had went to
some cafe that day -- by laughing "After I all I am *not* gay! :-)", and she
got *really* mad, like as if I had turned into the Anti-Christ before her
eyes. Then, as I finally officially was "transitioning" they all the time
hammered on my lesbian acquaintances Eveline & Martina like they were
"misguided", at the same time maintaining I was gay. I up to the day haven't
figured out what a screwed up kind of sex cosmology this is. It lacks *any*
consistency of assumptions and conclusions. Perhaps they thought that
lesbians are women that "simply want to be men" -? But then, "simply wanting
to be a woman" didn't make me one, too. And Sandra probably was a guy, too,
b/c we shared some 75% of our histories and 100% of our diagnoses. Not to
speak of Bernd who was bi anyway. I dunno. At some stage they started to
treat me like I was mentally handicapped, and they couldn't take me seriously
any longer anyway.
Rantingly yours,
Heike
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In article <1.49c...@panix.com>,
a...@panix.com (Dark Phoenix) wrote:
>
> In article <1.x~81u...@panix.com>, tr...@qis.net (Kira D. Triea) wrote:
> >
> >So I went with my mom to see my grandmother at the nursing home
> >yesterday and my grandmother asked me if I had a boyfriend. Of course
> >I replied that I didn't because I was a lesbian but I was in a
> >committed r'ship with another woman, and my mother just about hit
> >me. She got this really uptight tone of voice and said "Well I would
> >hardly call you a *lesbian*." Meaning I guess that I am actually just
> >your everyday garden variety Martian or something. Time to get out the
> >"I *AM* a lesbian" button I guess. I had intended it's use to be
> >educational for straight guys, not my mother.
>
> Wow, talk about in denial. I mean, it would be one thing if you weren't dating
> *anyone*, then I guess I could see how she might say, "Well, you're not dating
> any women, so you're not a lesbian! Hey, there's a good-looking fellow over
> there!" But after you've said, "Hey, I've got a *girlfriend*!" and you're
> serious about her...?!? What did your grandmother say?
>
> I don't think I can come out to my grandmother until such time as I have a
> serious girlfriend, because anything else would cause her to view it all as a
> sex thing, instead of a love thing. Although I was on television last night
> (more on that in another post) and I was dressed up about as butch as I get,
> and my grandmother saw it and (for once! amazingly) didn't criticize me but
> said I looked good. (Although she wasn't too happy when I told her part of my
> hair was purple now.)
>
> One time, after the millionth refusal on my part to accept a handbag or a
> skirt from her as a present, she barked, "Whaddya wanna be? A FELLA?" I spun
> around, looked her right in the eye and said, "YEAH, Grandma. I wanna be a
> FELLA." She shut up after that. :-)
>
> >You would think she would be used to this... I've not been sexually
> >involved with a man in my entire life. I have male friends though and
> >if I bring them over to my mother's house she goes nuts... asks them
> >over to dinner for potroast and makes brownies for them. It drives me
> >crazy. Wo be unto any butch woman who happens to cross my mothers path
> >in my presence. No brownies for them no siree.
>
> Well, I don't like chocolate and I don't eat meat, so anytime you want to
> invite me home to show your mom your dyke friends, let me know. :-)
>
> -- Ali.
>
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>You would think she would be used to this... I've not been sexually
>involved with a man in my entire life. I have male friends though and
>if I bring them over to my mother's house she goes nuts... asks them
>over to dinner for potroast and makes brownies for them. It drives me
>crazy. Wo be unto any butch woman who happens to cross my mothers path
>in my presence. No brownies for them no siree.
>
Well, this butch is also a chef who makes her own damn brownies!
On a more serious note, I understand this. However, I have been in
relationships with men (they just never worked out, and it was good camoflauge)
and I was once married. (The coming out story is involved, so let's not go
there right now.) I sort of have the opposite response from my Mom. She's
saying, "Well, Gee. You've been dating boys since puberty and you married a
man. You can't be a lesbian, not now, not after 18 years of heterosexual
behavior." And sometimes I buy into that. Then I take a good long look at my
life. The woman I love is someone my mother hates, and has hated since she met
her. NOW I understand why....the possibility of my being a lesbian threatens
my mother so much, that when she met this person, who was 16 at the time (and I
was 14, and had not a clue that I was in love with my best friend.) my mom made
up all sorts of reasons to hate her. She was a tom boy (so was I) she smoked
(so did my Dad, what's was her problem?) she did drugs (no, she had codeine by
prescription for some serious dental work she'd had done.) She was selling
drugs (no, she had her birthday money and we were heading off to the mall)
My mom went through my girlfriend's purse one day, found about $400, a
pack of smokes, and a bottle of codeine pills. This is what she bases almost
19 years of hatred upon.
I came out to my Mom Easter Sunday, and all she says is Oh? So what?
<shaking head in amazement>
I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop.
Vicky
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nesss
My favorite quote from my mum when i came out was "You know that no man
will ever want you now!". Gee, great come back mum.
ness
Angst Girl
> My favorite quote from my mum when i came out was "You know that no man
> will ever want you now!". Gee, great come back mum.
>
> ness
>
>
> --
OMG my mother said the exact same thing. I replied "and?". She didn't
like that. LOL
Jills
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DKW63
>My favorite quote from my mum when i came out was "You know that no man
>will ever want you now!". Gee, great come back mum.
>
Not to mention absolutely incorrect.
========================
If a billion people believe in a stupid idea, it is still a stupid idea.
Yo soy El Gato Gordo
DKW63
You went to the nursing home to see your grandmother, and told her you're a
lesbian when she asked if you had a boyfriend.
I went to see my dad at a nursing home (aka an old folks' home) and he asked if
I wanted something to drink. I knew he meant water, juice, soda, and although
I would have loved a beer or a shot of bourbon, I said sure, some water would
be nice.
Sometimes just playing along with the old folks is OK. You could have just
answered 'No, I don't have a boyfriend" and changed the subject.
Coming out and tact are not mutually exlusive.
Gwendolyn Alden Dean
On 8 May 1998, DKW63 wrote:
> >My favorite quote from my mum when i came out was "You know that no man
> >will ever want you now!". Gee, great come back mum.
> Not to mention absolutely incorrect.
Unfortunately.
Gwendolyn Alden Dean
On 8 May 1998, DKW63 wrote:
> Sometimes just playing along with the old folks is OK. You could have just
> answered 'No, I don't have a boyfriend" and changed the subject.
She could have but obviously she chose not to.
> Coming out and tact are not mutually exlusive.
You have some conviction that older folks have some right to have their
heterosexist convictions left intact?
boed...@netcologne.de
In article <1.r&ocu...@panix.com>,
dk...@aol.com (DKW63) wrote:
<snip>
> Sometimes just playing along with the old folks is OK. You could have just
> answered 'No, I don't have a boyfriend" and changed the subject.
>
Dunno... is being a lesbian, or talking about it, not tactful then?
Isn't it a bit sad if I can't take serious my own relations?
Heike
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Angst Girl
> In article <1.r&ocu...@panix.com>,
> dk...@aol.com (DKW63) wrote:
> <snip>
> > Sometimes just playing along with the old folks is OK. You could have just
> > answered 'No, I don't have a boyfriend" and changed the subject.
> >
> > Coming out and tact are not mutually exlusive.
>
> Dunno... is being a lesbian, or talking about it, not tactful then?
>
> Isn't it a bit sad if I can't take serious my own relations?
>
>
> Heike
Besides the orginal post didn't mention whether or not her grandma had a
problem with it, just that her mother did. My grandma never had a problem
with my sexuality. Sometimes the "older folk" can be so human!
Jills
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Chlo"{e}
Angst Girl wrote:
>Sometimes the "older folk" can be so human!
the rest of the time, though, they're barely sentient.
i know, i know, snipe snipe.
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technology, but too little." -- Stephin Merritt
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Cornelia Wyngaarden
Chlo\"{e} (cjl...@fas.harvard.edu) wrote:
: Angst Girl wrote:
: >Sometimes the "older folk" can be so human!
: the rest of the time, though, they're barely sentient.
Karma is just another word for memory and yours is sure to come.
Good Luck in the future you will surely need it.
corry
Chlo"{e}
Cornelia Wyngaarden wrote:
>Chlo\"{e} (cjl...@fas.harvard.edu) wrote:
>: Angst Girl wrote:
>: >Sometimes the "older folk" can be so human!
>: the rest of the time, though, they're barely sentient.
>Karma is just another word for memory and yours is sure to come.
>Good Luck in the future you will surely need it.
i think you missed my point. my point was that it was kind of dehumanising
to say that "wow, older folk can be so human!"
but i decided that i wasn't really sure if it was a valid criticism.
usually you can count on swlab to ferret out the valid criticisms.
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technology, but too little." -- Stephin Merritt
+ +
Cornelia Wyngaarden
Chlo\"{e} (cjl...@fas.harvard.edu) wrote:
: Cornelia Wyngaarden wrote:
: >Chlo\"{e} (cjl...@fas.harvard.edu) wrote:
: >: Angst Girl wrote:
: >: >Sometimes the "older folk" can be so human!
: >: the rest of the time, though, they're barely sentient.
: >Karma is just another word for memory and yours is sure to come.
: >Good Luck in the future you will surely need it.
: i think you missed my point. my point was that it was kind of dehumanising
: to say that "wow, older folk can be so human!"
that is not what you said
you said as above. Sometimes "older folk" can be so human the rest of the
time, though, they're barely sentient.
that is all you said
if you meant to be critical about how people dehumanize the aging process
and stereotype anyone over 50 as one brick short of a load it did not
come across
maybe you would like to try again
corry
Paula Cobb
: : to say that "wow, older folk can be so human!"
: that is not what you said
: you said as above. Sometimes "older folk" can be so human the rest of the
: time, though, they're barely sentient. that is all you said
: if you meant to be critical about how people dehumanize the aging process
: and stereotype anyone over 50 as one brick short of a load it did not
: come across
FWIW, the ironic tone of the comment came across just fine for me.
-p
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Cornelia Wyngaarden
Paula Cobb (pkc...@unix.amherst.edu) wrote:
: Cornelia Wyngaarden (cwyn...@eciad.bc.ca) wrote:
: : Chlo\"{e} (cjl...@fas.harvard.edu) wrote:
: : : i think you missed my point. my point was that it was kind of dehumanising
: : : to say that "wow, older folk can be so human!"
: : that is not what you said
: : you said as above. Sometimes "older folk" can be so human the rest of the
: : time, though, they're barely sentient. that is all you said
: : if you meant to be critical about how people dehumanize the aging process
: : and stereotype anyone over 50 as one brick short of a load it did not
: : come across
: FWIW, the ironic tone of the comment came across just fine for me.
so what? did it illuminate anything for you? did it help you to
understand that nothing was being said? sincerely?
corry
Paula Cobb
Cornelia Wyngaarden (cwyn...@eciad.bc.ca) wrote:
: Paula Cobb (pkc...@unix.amherst.edu) wrote:
: : FWIW, the ironic tone of the comment came across just fine for me.
: so what? did it illuminate anything for you? did it help you to
: understand that nothing was being said? sincerely?
Sure, sincerely: it illuminated my otherwise dim and obscure world,
broadened my vistas, opened my mind, jolted me into awareness, terras
irradient, etc etc--thus amply fulfilling the credo and standards of
the ng.
Despite all that, I'm not sure it merits a thread dedicated to its
literary deconstruction.
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Cornelia Wyngaarden
Paula Cobb (pkc...@unix.amherst.edu) wrote:
: Cornelia Wyngaarden (cwyn...@eciad.bc.ca) wrote:
: : Paula Cobb (pkc...@unix.amherst.edu) wrote:
: : : FWIW, the ironic tone of the comment came across just fine for me.
: : so what? did it illuminate anything for you? did it help you to
: : understand that nothing was being said? sincerely?
: Sure, sincerely: it illuminated my otherwise dim and obscure world,
: broadened my vistas, opened my mind, jolted me into awareness, terras
: irradient, etc etc--thus amply fulfilling the credo and standards of
: the ng.
more of the same in other words nothing to add
: Despite all that, I'm not sure it merits a thread dedicated to its
: literary deconstruction.
i find it an interesting phenomena in our culture and a somewhat
disturbing one.
corry
Angst Girl
In article <1.ml|eu2...@panix.com>, cjl...@fas.harvard.edu (Chlo\"{e}) wrote:
> Cornelia Wyngaarden wrote:
> >Chlo\"{e} (cjl...@fas.harvard.edu) wrote:
> >: Angst Girl wrote:
> >: >Sometimes the "older folk" can be so human!
> >: the rest of the time, though, they're barely sentient.
> >Karma is just another word for memory and yours is sure to come.
> >Good Luck in the future you will surely need it.
>
> i think you missed my point. my point was that it was kind of dehumanising
> to say that "wow, older folk can be so human!"
>
> but i decided that i wasn't really sure if it was a valid criticism.
>
> usually you can count on swlab to ferret out the valid criticisms.
> --
> chlo'jo'lo' cjl...@fas.harvard.edu +
> "Lack of warmth, then, is not a problem resulting from too much
> technology, but too little." -- Stephin Merritt
If it helps, I was being sarcastic.
Jills
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for what you think is real
for what you think is right- Ani Difranco
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Cornelia Wyngaarden
Angst Girl (jgr...@bellatlantic.net) wrote:
: If it helps, I was being sarcastic.
no it does not but that is exactly my point
corry
Chlo"{e}
Cornelia Wyngaarden wrote:
>that is not what you said
>
>if you meant to be critical about how people dehumanize the aging process
>and stereotype anyone over 50 as one brick short of a load it did not
>come across
one word: sarcasm.
but if it didn't come across, i failed. i apologize to anyone who may have
read it to mean that i thought older people were "barely sentient." that
was not my intent. the opposite in fact.
and people wonder why usenet makes me surly.
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DKW63:
> > Sometimes just playing along with the old folks is OK. You could have just
> > answered 'No, I don't have a boyfriend" and changed the subject.
> >
> > Coming out and tact are not mutually exlusive.
Heike:
> Dunno... is being a lesbian, or talking about it, not tactful then?
>
> Isn't it a bit sad if I can't take serious my own relations?
Jills:
> Besides the orginal post didn't mention whether or not her grandma had a
> problem with it, just that her mother did. My grandma never had a problem
> with my sexuality. Sometimes the "older folk" can be so human!
chlo'jo'lo':
> the rest of the time, though, they're barely sentient.
>
> i know, i know, snipe snipe.
Heike again: I don't see myself able to make overgeneralizing statements
about old folks... as always in life some are ok, some less so... also I feel
more than just deep respect and gratefulness towards the elders who helped me
*a lot*... the only thing I had to painfully notice, too, is that folks of
the parents' generation often interfered w/ my interaction w/ folks of the
grandparents' generation. As if they feared to get like encircled... guess
they had kinda authority problem or so... I fear no one of my clan really
knew what to make out of me anyway, some claimed I should -- and as it
already was kinda too late: should have been -- left alone, others were of
the opinion that my condition (mixed gonadal dysgenesis) needed treatment,
but they objected to the way my stepparents handled it hysterically (like a
caricature of Judith Butler's dreaded heterosexual matrix). Actually they
kinda predicted that I would end up w/ another reassignment and being
homosexual. Which didn't automatically mean they liked me... It really
stirred up bad feeling amongst them, and I was assigned the role of a mere
pawn.
All the best,
Heike
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Chlo"{e}
Cornelia Wyngaarden wrote:
>so what? did it illuminate anything for you? did it help you to
>understand that nothing was being said? sincerely?
now that it is clear that i said something other than what you claimed i
said you now claim that i said nothing?
i don't want to get into a surliness contest. i could, but i'm not in that
kind of mood. not a surly one. today. for now.
and besides, it's off topic.
but it really does concern me how our culture views older people. like
people are surprised when they are fun to be with or have something to
contribute or heaven forbid, have romantic lives. i'm just a kid, but one
thing i've learned so far is that everyone sees themselves as perfectly
ordinary people, and it's extrememly difficult and troubling and jarring
when society or other people out of whose actions society emerges see you
differently than how you see yourself. i foudn this out the hard way when i
went crazy and all of a sudden i was the one who needed taking care of, the
romantic one, the tragic one, the inexplicable one, the enigma who needed
unravelling, the one people sang leonard cohen songs to. and to me it was
like, huh? i'm the some only different. and i see the same thing happeing
to people as they get older. and to lesbians as well. <-----ontopic!
so there's that.
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Angst Girl
Umm Chloe or whatever yer name is, I was being sarcastic when I said "older
folks can be so human". The poster who said one should play nice with old
people left me with the impression that sie felt older people needed to be
protected from the truth. My grandparents never needed protection, neither
do any of the "older folk" I know. They are adults, not children.
That was my point.
Jills
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Why dontcha give me a call
when you are willing to fight
for what you think is real
for what you think is right- Ani Difranco
Jills is at http://members.bellatlantic.net/~jgreff
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Chlo"{e}
Angst Girl wrote:
>Umm Chloe or whatever yer name is, I was being sarcastic when I said "older
>folks can be so human". The poster who said one should play nice with old
>people left me with the impression that sie felt older people needed to be
>protected from the truth. My grandparents never needed protection, neither
>do any of the "older folk" I know. They are adults, not children.
>That was my point.
oh.
that's what i get for posting in one of those moods. one of THOSE moods.
i'm sorry for sniping at you.
bleah. time reevaluate my relationship with usenet.
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chlo'jo'lo' cjl...@fas.harvard.edu +
"Lack of warmth, then, is not a problem resulting from too much
technology, but too little." -- Stephin Merritt
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