NaNoWriMo, anyone?
Serene
goal is 2000 a day), and so far, it sucks, but it's fun.
ObSwlab: It's a lesbian space mystery.
Serene
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> Anyone else writing a novel this month? I'm up to 1581 words (my
> goal is 2000 a day), and so far, it sucks, but it's fun.
>
> ObSwlab: It's a lesbian space mystery.
Oo! How's it going?
Serene
> Serene wrote:
>
>> Anyone else writing a novel this month? I'm up to 1581 words (my
>> goal is 2000 a day), and so far, it sucks, but it's fun.
>>
>> ObSwlab: It's a lesbian space mystery.
>
> Oo! How's it going?
>
It's boring as hell, but I've written more than 6,000 words on it so
far, so I'm making my volume-of-words goal, which is what counts in
this case. It's fun to have something completely pointless that I
have to do every day, that's completely for me. And it keeps me
from dwelling on the fact that I'm having surgery on Thursday to
take my thyroid out.
Serene
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Serene
> Kathryn Burlingham wrote:
>> Serene wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone else writing a novel this month? I'm up to 1581 words (my
>>> goal is 2000 a day), and so far, it sucks, but it's fun.
>>>
>>> ObSwlab: It's a lesbian space mystery.
>> Oo! How's it going?
>>
>
> It's boring as hell,
(by which I mean the novel is dull, not the process)
Serene
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Kathryn Burlingham
> Serene wrote:
>>Kathryn Burlingham wrote:
>>>Serene wrote:
>>>
>>>>Anyone else writing a novel this month? I'm up to 1581 words (my
>>>>goal is 2000 a day), and so far, it sucks, but it's fun.
>>>>
>>>>ObSwlab: It's a lesbian space mystery.
>>>
>>>Oo! How's it going?
>>>
>>It's boring as hell,
>
> (by which I mean the novel is dull, not the process)
Heh, thanks for clarifying. I'm supposing I should toddle over to LJ to
see what the thyroid details are, eh?
Gwendolyn Alden Dean
> And it keeps me
> from dwelling on the fact that I'm having surgery on Thursday to
> take my thyroid out.
Oh, dear! Why for?
Gwendolyn
surgery on 11/19
Serene
> Heh, thanks for clarifying. I'm supposing I should toddle over to LJ to
> see what the thyroid details are, eh?
I always forget where I've spewed the gories. Essentially, there's
a big tumor taking up my whole left thyroid lobe, so they're doing a
lobectomy (I like saying "lobectomy") and if it's cancer, they'll
take the other one out, too. It's probably not cancer, though, so
the odds are I'll be ouchy for a week or two and then be fine.
Serene
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Serene
> Serene wrote:
>> And it keeps me
>> from dwelling on the fact that I'm having surgery on Thursday to
>> take my thyroid out.
>
> Oh, dear! Why for?
I have a tumor, and they couldn't tell from the biopsy whether or
not it's cancerous (hard to take enough tissue from a thyroid node
to tell, apparently), so they have to take it out and look at it.
Like show and tell with stitches.
> Gwendolyn
> surgery on 11/19
Oy. Hang in, My Liege. Hope it goes super-smoothly.
Serene
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Kathryn Burlingham
> Kathryn Burlingham wrote:
>
>>Heh, thanks for clarifying. I'm supposing I should toddle over to LJ to
>>see what the thyroid details are, eh?
>
> I always forget where I've spewed the gories. Essentially, there's
> a big tumor taking up my whole left thyroid lobe, so they're doing a
> lobectomy (I like saying "lobectomy") and if it's cancer, they'll
> take the other one out, too. It's probably not cancer, though, so
> the odds are I'll be ouchy for a week or two and then be fine.
Well, I'm glad you finally know what has been wrong for so long. Here's
hoping afterwards you return to a much happier level of health and energy.
Serene
> Serene wrote:
>> Kathryn Burlingham wrote:
>>
>>> Heh, thanks for clarifying. I'm supposing I should toddle over to LJ to
>>> see what the thyroid details are, eh?
>> I always forget where I've spewed the gories. Essentially, there's
>> a big tumor taking up my whole left thyroid lobe, so they're doing a
>> lobectomy (I like saying "lobectomy") and if it's cancer, they'll
>> take the other one out, too. It's probably not cancer, though, so
>> the odds are I'll be ouchy for a week or two and then be fine.
>
> Well, I'm glad you finally know what has been wrong for so long. Here's
> hoping afterwards you return to a much happier level of health and energy.
Thanks muchly.
ObSwlab: How're you?
Or something.
Serene, goofy today on too much Ethiopian food and caffeine
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>
> ObSwlab: How're you?
Fairly dandy. Enjoying the autumn weather. A bit of grieving, as my boss
of 8 years died about a month ago. Wishing they'd hurry up and hire
someone to take my place at work so I can be free of corporate cube-dom.
Looking forward to having many of my loved ones for Thanksgiving.
Serene
> Serene wrote:
>> ObSwlab: How're you?
>
> Fairly dandy. Enjoying the autumn weather. A bit of grieving, as my boss
> of 8 years died about a month ago.
Oh, dear. I'm sorry for your loss.
> Wishing they'd hurry up and hire
> someone to take my place at work so I can be free of corporate cube-dom.
> Looking forward to having many of my loved ones for Thanksgiving.
Braised?
Serene
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>> Gwendolyn
>> surgery on 11/19
>
> Oy. Hang in, My Liege. Hope it goes super-smoothly.
From your lips to Her ears.....
Gwendolyn
Gwendolyn Alden Dean
> Kathryn Burlingham wrote:
>
>> Heh, thanks for clarifying. I'm supposing I should toddle over to LJ to
>> see what the thyroid details are, eh?
>
> I always forget where I've spewed the gories. Essentially, there's
> a big tumor taking up my whole left thyroid lobe, so they're doing a
> lobectomy (I like saying "lobectomy") and if it's cancer, they'll
> take the other one out, too. It's probably not cancer, though, so
> the odds are I'll be ouchy for a week or two and then be fine.
Oh, I hope it's not cancer and everything is fine and dandy fairly
quickly. Are you having thyroid symptoms? They're no fun.
Gwendolyn
Kathryn Burlingham
> Kathryn Burlingham wrote:
>
>
> Braised?
Given the size of the group, I think we'd need a big barbecue pit, like
the firefighters dig when they do a chicken dinner.
Serene
> Oh, I hope it's not cancer and everything is fine and dandy fairly
> quickly. Are you having thyroid symptoms? They're no fun.
No, I'm really lucky, for some value of luck. My thyroid is working
just fine, and the doc says that after the surgery, if they only
take the one side out, the other one is up to the job of making the
stuff thyroids make on its own, so I'm unlikely to even need
medication. Here's hopin'! And thanks.
ObSwlab: Cute women I know are offering to bring me soup after my
surgery. I'm no dummy; I said yes.
Serene
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Gwendolyn Alden Dean
> Gwendolyn Alden Dean wrote:
>
>> Oh, I hope it's not cancer and everything is fine and dandy fairly
>> quickly. Are you having thyroid symptoms? They're no fun.
>
> No, I'm really lucky, for some value of luck. My thyroid is working
> just fine, and the doc says that after the surgery, if they only
> take the one side out, the other one is up to the job of making the
> stuff thyroids make on its own, so I'm unlikely to even need
> medication.
Excellent!
> Here's hopin'! And thanks.
All fingers and toes crossed.
> ObSwlab: Cute women I know are offering to bring me soup after my
> surgery. I'm no dummy; I said yes.
Smart grrrrrl.
Gwendolyn
Serene
> In article <1.*79rn3$g...@panix.com>, Serene <ser...@serenepages.org>
>
>> My thyroid is working just fine, and the doc says that after the
>> surgery, if they only take the one side out, the other one is up to
>> the job of making the stuff thyroids make on its own, so I'm unlikely
>> to even need medication. Here's hopin'! And thanks.
>
Thanks!
>> ObSwlab: Cute women I know are offering to bring me soup after my
>> surgery. I'm no dummy; I said yes.
>
> Of course, only a dummy would say no.
>
> Speaking of medicine, I got my Medicare card in the mail a short time
> ago. Guess that officially makes me a Senior Citizen. Also guess I
> should sign it and put it in my wallet.
I was talking to my mom the other day about the loss of vocal range
that may come from this surgery. I was a singer in my teens, and I
said, "Well, twenty-five years ago, that might have been an issue
for me, but..." and she sputtered. Apparently, saying
"twenty-five-years ago" to one's mother might make her feel kind of
ancient.
Serene
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> That got me to laughing out loud. Fortunately (for me?) if my daughter
> would tell me "twenty five years ago", I'd just say, "but you weren't
> even a teenager yet".
>
> Speaking of her, I wound up being the cause of an argument between her
> and her DH.
Oh, NO!!! You haven't been infected with the dreaded "DH" virus!
Tell me it isn't so!!!!!
I thought that was reserved for my cooking lists full of old
southern christian ladies with lots of cats and needlepoint. Eeeek!
They go so far as to call EVERYONE in their family "D"-something.
DDiL for Dear Daughter-in-law, etc. It is to puke. I desperately
want to call James my DF for Dastardly Fucktoy, but they would just
assume "Dear Friend".
> Seems that after I finished that half marathon two weeks
> ago, he told her, "You need to start doing something, even your Mama is
> in better shape than you are." I think that I don't need to recount the
> rest of that conversation.
Hee!
Serene
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> Michelle Steiner wrote:
>
>> That got me to laughing out loud. Fortunately (for me?) if my daughter
>> would tell me "twenty five years ago", I'd just say, "but you weren't
>> even a teenager yet".
>>
>> Speaking of her, I wound up being the cause of an argument between her
>> and her DH.
>
> Oh, NO!!! You haven't been infected with the dreaded "DH" virus!
> Tell me it isn't so!!!!!
>
> I thought that was reserved for my cooking lists full of old
> southern christian ladies with lots of cats and needlepoint. Eeeek!
> They go so far as to call EVERYONE in their family "D"-something.
> DDiL for Dear Daughter-in-law, etc. It is to puke. I desperately
> want to call James my DF for Dastardly Fucktoy, but they would just
> assume "Dear Friend".
I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds that usage awfully icky. It seems
to reek of Hallmark or something, at least to me.
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Gwendolyn Alden Dean
> I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds that usage awfully icky. It seems
> to reek of Hallmark or something, at least to me.
Hate it. Nothing worse than the sentimentally generic.
Gwendolyn
Kathryn Burlingham
> Stephanie Moore-Fuller wrote:
>
>>I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds that usage awfully icky. It seems
>>to reek of Hallmark or something, at least to me.
>
> Hate it. Nothing worse than the sentimentally generic.
Huh. Whereas given most of the married women I know, I'd read a certain
ironic tone into it.
Kathryn Burlingham
>
> I was talking to my mom the other day about the loss of vocal range
> that may come from this surgery. I was a singer in my teens, and I
> said, "Well, twenty-five years ago, that might have been an issue
> for me, but..." and she sputtered. Apparently, saying
> "twenty-five-years ago" to one's mother might make her feel kind of
> ancient.
I mentioned recently that I've lived in my neighborhood for almost 20
years, and my mom was a bit taken aback.
Gwendolyn Alden Dean
> Gwendolyn Alden Dean wrote:
>> Stephanie Moore-Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds that usage awfully icky. It seems
>>> to reek of Hallmark or something, at least to me.
>> Hate it. Nothing worse than the sentimentally generic.
>
> Huh. Whereas given most of the married women I know, I'd read a certain
> ironic tone into it.
I've seen it and heard it both ways. Even the ironic use makes me puke
-- it's all that "we know how they are" tone. Like overgrown children or
pets or something.
Gwendolyn
Melinda Shore
Gwendolyn Alden Dean <gd...@cornell.edu> wrote:
>I've seen it and heard it both ways. Even the ironic use makes me puke
>-- it's all that "we know how they are" tone. Like overgrown children or
>pets or something.
The dog people seem to all do it, plus they do it with their
children, too ("DD" and "DS"). I don't like it but I still
don't hate it as much as smilies. This war has too many
fronts.
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Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
>My daughter picked it up in the scrapbooking community. Fortunately,
>she uses it only on line, in forums and lists--not in personal
>communications or in meatspace.
"Meatspace" is on the same list, you know.
Kathryn Burlingham
> It's probably not cancer, though, so
> the odds are I'll be ouchy for a week or two and then be fine.
And we are hoping you will let us know when you are well enough to check
swlab again. I am thinking of you this morning, and hoping all went well.
Serene
> Serene wrote:
> > It's probably not cancer, though, so
>> the odds are I'll be ouchy for a week or two and then be fine.
>
> And we are hoping you will let us know when you are well enough to check
> swlab again. I am thinking of you this morning, and hoping all went well.
>
Thanks! I'm home and feeling pretty great, all things considered.
After the pain shot they gave me immediately after the surgery (that
is, yesterday, Thursday, afternoon), I haven't needed pain meds. I'm
a bit sore and a bit fatigued (and for some reason it's taking me
longer to type correctly than usual), but I'm taking walks and
eating foods and napping a lot. Pretty much back to normal minus
the ouchy-neck thing, and that's a lot less ouchy than I expected it
to be.
(Doc says no obvious cancer, but they'll do a full test just in
case. The tumor was so large that he had to make a much bigger
incision than usual. My partners are calling me Franken-Sweetie.)
Thanks!
Serene
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>
> (Doc says no obvious cancer, but they'll do a full test just in
> case. The tumor was so large that he had to make a much bigger
> incision than usual. My partners are calling me Franken-Sweetie.)
Aww. Very very glad to hear things are well. Maybe you can tell people
you ran into a clumsy vampire.
Gwendolyn Alden Dean
step-mother, and her husband, Count G----, were royalists of the
first water.
On the day of the entrance of the allies into Paris, step-father,
step-mother, and husband, in common with all good legitimists, hurried
forward to welcome "their good friends," and each of them returned to
their dwelling with a stranger--the husband with an Englishman, the
step-mother with a Prussian, and the step-father with an Austrian. The
three endeavored to outdo each other in the attentions which they
showered upon the guests they had the good fortune to possess. The
little countess alone remained indifferent, in the midst of the joy of
her family. They reproached her with having too little attachment for
the good cause, and exhorted her to do everything in her power to
entertain the gallant men who had restored to France her king.
The husband requested the Englishman to instruct the young countess in
riding; the marquise begged the Prussian to escort her daughter to the
ball, and teach her the German waltz; and, finally, the marquis, who had
discovered a fine taste for paintings in the Austrian, appealed to this
gentleman to conduct the young wife through the picture-galleries.
In short, every opportunity was given the young countess to commit a
folly, or rather three follies, for she did not like to give the
preference to any one of the three strangers. She was young, and
inexperienced in matters of this kind. Her triple intrigue was,
therefore, soon discovered, and betrayed to her family; and now husband,
step-father, and step-mother, were exasperated. This exceeded even the
demands of their royalism; and they showered reproaches on the head of
the young wife.
Serene
> but her step-father, her
> step-mother, and her husband, Count G----, were royalists of the
> first water.
>
> On the day of the entrance of the allies into Paris, step-father,
> step-mother, and husband, in common with all good legitimists, hurried
Um, huh?
Serene
Gwendolyn Alden Dean
> Gwendolyn Alden Dean wrote:
>> but her step-father, her
>> step-mother, and her husband, Count G----, were royalists of the
>> first water.
>>
>> On the day of the entrance of the allies into Paris, step-father,
>> step-mother, and husband, in common with all good legitimists, hurried
>> forward to welcome "their good friends,"<snip>
>
> Um, huh?
I did not write that.
Gwendolyn
Kathryn Burlingham
* all homicides were by strangers, and that for the first time all Americans
* had a "realistic" chance of being murdered.
*
* But to arrive at these troubling figures, the FBI considered ALL UNSOLVED
* HOMICIDES, including drug-related killings, as homicides committed by
* strangers, thus creating the impression that murder was becoming
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MANY GO TO THE CORE OF THE FBI AND OUR ABILITY TO PROTECT THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE. TO ADDRESS THESE VITAL ISSUES --- SERIOUS CRIME, TERRORISM AND
ESPIONAGE --- THE FBI MUST BE AND IS A DYNAMIC INSTITUTION ANTICIPATING
OR REACTING TO NEW TECHNOLOGY. PERHAPS UNLIKE ANY TIME IN OUR HISTORY,
THE NATURE OF CRIME AND TERRORISM IS EVOLVING AT AN UNPRECEDENTED PACE.
TERRORISM, BOTH INTERNATIONAL AND DOMESTIC THREATENS US LIKE NEVER BEFORE.
* "The End of Ordinary Money, Part I", by J. Orlin Grabbe
*
* Ironically, the World Trade Center was subsequently bombed by a group
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Kathryn Burlingham <pi...@pacifier.com> wrote:
[spam deleted]
Um, no, I don't believe she did.
Automoderation is now officially dead. Sorry for any delays this
will cause, but given that there's less than a dozen actual posts
here in the last year or three, I don't think it's going to make a
big difference to anyone.
Ayana, mod
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>In article <1.p$71o...@panix.com>,
>Automoderation is now officially dead. Sorry for any delays this
>will cause, but given that there's less than a dozen actual posts
>here in the last year or three, I don't think it's going to make a
>big difference to anyone.
Hey! Is there an existing way to use PGP signatures or some
other form of real(-ish) authentication to do
automoderation? If not, that seems like a pretty worthwhile
project for someone who is not me.
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Ayana Craven
>In article <1.vd81o3^_1...@panix.com>, Ayana Craven <ay...@panix.com> wrote:
>>In article <1.p$71o...@panix.com>,
>>Automoderation is now officially dead. Sorry for any delays this
>>will cause, but given that there's less than a dozen actual posts
>>here in the last year or three, I don't think it's going to make a
>>big difference to anyone.
>
>Hey! Is there an existing way to use PGP signatures or some
>other form of real(-ish) authentication to do
>automoderation? If not, that seems like a pretty worthwhile
>project for someone who is not me.
Not that I know of. It'd require that everybody who's on automod
use PGP, and that's more than a stretch for the vast majority of
Usenet posters.
Ayana, mod
(I'll admit, some of the spam that's currently coming in under real
poster's IDs could almost be for real -- at least the spammers seem
to be attempting to use writings that are semi-ontopic for the
newsgroup !)
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>Not that I know of. It'd require that everybody who's on automod
>use PGP, and that's more than a stretch for the vast majority of
>Usenet posters.
It would mean that you wouldn't have to manually moderate
the ones that have a valid signature. It would not require
that people have PGP keys, since unsigned messages would be
treated just the same as they are now.
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Kathryn Burlingham
> Kathryn Burlingham <pi...@pacifier.com> wrote:
> [spam deleted]
>
> Um, no, I don't believe she did.
Apparently something I didn't write was also rejected from
soc.sexuality.spanking. Makes me sort of curious what else I'm not writing
Ayana Craven
>In article <1.3me2o3*a...@panix.com>, Ayana Craven <ay...@panix.com> wrote:
>>Not that I know of. It'd require that everybody who's on automod
>>use PGP, and that's more than a stretch for the vast majority of
>>Usenet posters.
>
>It would mean that you wouldn't have to manually moderate
>the ones that have a valid signature. It would not require
>that people have PGP keys, since unsigned messages would be
>treated just the same as they are now.
Yes, but this brief flurry precipitated by the spammers is the
largest number of articles in a couple of years, I think. If there
was any appreciable traffic here, it would be worth thinking about,
but this is not one of the few Usenet groups that's still active.
Ayana, mod
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Kathryn Burlingham <pi...@pacifier.com> wrote:
>Ayana Craven wrote:
>> Kathryn Burlingham <pi...@pacifier.com> wrote:
>> [spam deleted]
>>
>> Um, no, I don't believe she did.
>
>Apparently something I didn't write was also rejected from
>soc.sexuality.spanking. Makes me sort of curious what else I'm not writing
Well, I haven't seen another from not-you, but the spambot sent in
one as not-Melinda that was a post-feminist article on the way that
women see men. Almost on-topic, and almost enough to make me google
the text to see where it came from. Almost.
I believe they're copying headers from articles that are posted, and
using them to inject spam into groups that they see as related. Or
something. Just going on what I see coming in here.
Ayana, not-mod, still amazed at what spammers come up with
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Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
>Some of the spam spoofing real posters here has been appearing on some
>of the macintosh newsgroups, and, if I recall correctly, also on the
>runners newsgroup.
I don't think you recall correctly.
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Stephanie Moore-Fuller
> In article <1.0qs...@panix.com>, ay...@panix.com (Ayana Craven)
>
>> If there was any appreciable traffic here, it would be worth thinking
>> about, but this is not one of the few Usenet groups that's still
>> active.
>
> the sporadic messages. So why did the traffic die down so much? BTW,
> the same thing has happened to the Sappho email list.
New people aren't finding USENET, in my experience. They're going to web
fora, or chat rooms, or social networking sites, or twitter, or livejournal.
And groups without any new people eventually seem to reach a stasis where
they've all already discussed the things that are of interest to that group,
and so a new conversation is less likely to break out.
stephanie
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Stephanie Moore-Fuller smoo...@blackrose.org Mountain View, CA, USA
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Ayana Craven
Stephanie Moore-Fuller <smoo...@jail.blackrose.org> wrote:
>On 2007-12-16, Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
>> In article <1.0qs...@panix.com>, ay...@panix.com (Ayana Craven)
>> wrote:
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>>> If there was any appreciable traffic here, it would be worth thinking
>>> about, but this is not one of the few Usenet groups that's still
>>> active.
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>> Any idea why that is? All the regulars seem to still be here, going by
>> the sporadic messages. So why did the traffic die down so much? BTW,
>> the same thing has happened to the Sappho email list.
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>New people aren't finding USENET, in my experience. They're going to web
>fora, or chat rooms, or social networking sites, or twitter, or livejournal.
>And groups without any new people eventually seem to reach a stasis where
>they've all already discussed the things that are of interest to that group,
>and so a new conversation is less likely to break out.
That seems to be the general assessment. It's not that new people
necessarily raise the topics that get people going, it's just that
they cause traffic, and things get mentioned in passing while
addressing whatever the newbies raised. And that generates more
discussion. Although to be honest, I do think that new POVs and new
energy, even if it's addressed to old ideas, helps to generate new
thinking. Insular communities don't thrive in a growing way,
although they may thrive in a self-oriented fashion.
There's been one or two efforts to kick-start Usenet, but I'm afraid
the tragedy of the commons has already happened.
Ayana, not-mod
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