NObama was KO'ed last night...Hillary must be seething right now knowing she's the better candidate
Kel Varnsen
answer. Always dodging and twisting and shucking and jiving. All of
that stammering and long-winded responses absolutely drove me nuts!
Without NObama's teleprompter, he cannot seem to formulate a decent
sentence and, by the time he does get his response out, one wonders
what he said! With McCain's responses being so quick - short and
sweet and right on point with no skirting the issues. If any of you
have ever been in the position of interviewing potential employees for
a company, then last night should look very familiar to you. NObama's
body posture reflected that he was bored and had an air of annoyance
at the process about him. NObama came across as the slouch who was
just getting another required monthly interview out of the way so he
could go back to doing nothing and collecting unemployment.
McCain on the other hand came across and Knowledgeable, Energetic,
Inspired and COULDN'T WAIT to get hired and started at the job. I
think we'll see the same thing in the upcoming debates. Don't be
surprised at McCain asking for more debates while NObama tries to
limit them. There is no doubt in my mind that NObama will lose. The
media can only do so much although we all know the media will be
tossing some real dingers at McCain in October. But don't
misunderestimate Bush, he'll be helping McCain big time and we got
Cheney on our side while the stupid dems only have Bozo Howard Dean.
Puritan
more obituaries.
Pappy
news:b92f636a-ad02-4c7d...@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
McCain clobbered Moonnig. Plain as day. Not even close.
I bet Hillary's on the phone today with superdelegates..., "You must be
realistic. He just can't win a general election. You still have a chance
to nominate me."
Maybe Denver will have a surprise ending.
wolfagain
> Now that McBush's Troll has had his rant, perhaps we can move on to
> more obituaries.
Debacle at the Saddle! Obama looked like a boy against a Man! Polling
numbers by convention time might just PANIC dems to change their minds
and vote for Hillary. Of course this just might cause a RIOT as Blacks
try to burn down the convention hall if their boy is rejected. Either
way, it's going to be GREAT for TV ratings, mostly us Conservatives
waiting for the MAYHEM and RIOTING to begin!
X-(
"Puritan" <Sacred...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:2dd759f3-fb38-4984...@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> Now that McBush's Troll has had his rant, perhaps we can move on to
> more obituaries.
Is this the best you liberals can do for a response? LOL
Pappy
news:uuydnSc3ZIKG9TXV...@comcast.com...
After seeing their boy get smacked down at Saddleback, it's all they've got.
Steven L.
> Obamasama was KO'ed by McCain. Nobama could not give a straight
> answer. Always dodging and twisting and shucking and jiving. All of
> that stammering and long-winded responses absolutely drove me nuts!
> Without NObama's teleprompter, he cannot seem to formulate a decent
> sentence and, by the time he does get his response out, one wonders
> what he said! With McCain's responses being so quick - short and
> sweet and right on point with no skirting the issues. If any of you
> have ever been in the position of interviewing potential employees for
> a company, then last night should look very familiar to you. NObama's
> body posture reflected that he was bored and had an air of annoyance
> at the process about him. NObama came across as the slouch who was
> just getting another required monthly interview out of the way so he
> could go back to doing nothing and collecting unemployment.
>
> McCain on the other hand came across and Knowledgeable, Energetic,
> Inspired and COULDN'T WAIT to get hired and started at the job. I
> think we'll see the same thing in the upcoming debates. Don't be
> surprised at McCain asking for more debates while NObama tries to
> limit them. There is no doubt in my mind that NObama will lose.
Americans don't always elect candidates who make good debaters.
In 2004, John Kerry did a good job in his debate against Bush. He lost
the election to Bush anyway, because Bush protected his early lead.
In 1968, Humphrey challenged Nixon to debates. Nixon actually refused
to do any debates, an act of cowardice. He still won the election by
protecting his early lead.
Obama is still ahead of McCain in the polls. All Obama has to do is
play it safe, not stick his neck out, protect his lead--and he can coast
to an election victory.
--
Steven L.
Email: sdli...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net
Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.
orpheus
> Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
All we got from McCain was a stump speech. Obama actually thought
about his answers.
New game when listening to MCain. One shot when hw says POW; two
shots when he says "My firends"
islanders
> New game when listening to MCain. �One shot when hw says POW; two
> shots when he says "My firends"-
What is a firend?
haterof...@yahoo.com
wow, you neocons have some rather vivid, demented dreams, don't you?
orpheus
A misspelling, although McC does say it that way.
cmdr buzz corey
That wasn't thinking, it was confusion.
MWB
It's that end piece you cut off the Christmas tree to make it fit in
the
house.
GO RED SOX
Mark
Brian Thorn
<sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Obama is still ahead of McCain in the polls.
The last Gallup poll showed the race even among all respondents and
McCain with a slim lead among likely voters.
Brian
alfansome
Wow Dick Cheney on your side. Perhaps the most despised man on the
planet....
and for good reason
Al
WaltBJ
his eyes. That is a psychological reflex that shows he doesn't believe
what he is saying. Is that lying? That's what my psychologist says
she was taught in college. When the blinks are coming just seconds
apart, watch out!
The smart thing to do is check McCain's record. For instance, he has
not always been against abortion, despite what he says now. The man
will do anything to get elected president and has been well-coached by
his GOP minders.
At least Obama is considering the questions in the light of all the
possibilities. McCain is parroting the answers his minders will think
will get him elected. Remember, there are NO easy answers to the
problems facing us and our nation.
Don't like what I've said?
Are you better off now than you were eight years ago?
Is the USA better off now than eight years ago?
In closing, McCain's ad about Obama raising taxes on lower middle
class people is a flat lie.
McCain wants to CUT taxes on millionaires. Why? They can't afford milk
for their kids? Gas for their Mercedes?
McCain's economic advisor Phil Gramm pushed the change in banking law
that got us into the present mortgage crisis - and McCain is still
listening to old 'Enron Phil'.
For what it's worth, McCain has a ferocious hair-trigger temper, and
was caught cursing his wife, using a word that would get me kicked out
of my house. Is this the kind of man we want for a president? I have
a friend who was a fellow prisoner of McCain, went through much the
same experiences for about seven years, and had to leave the USAF
because of actions resulting from just such an uncontrollable temper.
Do I want McCain's 'finger on the trigger?' Definitely not.
Don't like what I've said?
It is true. I do not lie. I don't have to.
Walt BJ
Brian
<alfa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Wow Dick Cheney on your side. Perhaps the most despised man on the
>planet....
>
>and for good reason
>
>Al
It's interesting how you evaluate Cheney, bin Laden, the leaders of
Iran and N. Korea, etc. It speaks volumes.
alfansome
> On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:04:35 -0700 (PDT), alfansome
>
> >Wow Dick Cheney on your side. Perhaps the most despised man on the
> >planet....
>
> >and for good reason
>
> >Al
>
> It's interesting how you evaluate Cheney, bin Laden, the leaders of
> Iran and N. Korea, etc. It speaks volumes.
If you just compare American body count let's see bin Laden 2800,
Cheney 4300 hmmm. Not to mention tens of thousands of Iraqis...
e.
Kel Varnsen
> Now that McBush's Troll has had his rant, perhaps we can move on to
> more obituaries.
That was NObama's obit I posted. Wake up asshole, you don't own the
group. If you don't like it either ignore or try and stick it up your
ass. Can't get anymore clearer than that. Hope it suffices.
Kel Varnsen
> Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.
Get out of here, play it safe? With all the media behind him and
they're tied in the polls, you gotta be kidding, right? He's coasting
downward. I thought you were a lot more intelligent than this. I'll
save your post and remind you the day after the election. Hell even
Hillary wants it bad right now because she knows he's slipping away.
And without a teleprompter last night he was lost. This guy is
nothing more than a media creation. The internet frankenstein.
Kel Varnsen
McCain knew his answers because he's been doing it for 30 years.
Obama is new at it and relies to heavily on a teleprompter. AFAIC the
election is somewhat over and McCain will win. People don't trust
this black guy with all his lying. I'm starting to think that he
doesn't even have a white mother.
Kel Varnsen
> On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:20:06 -0400, "Steven L."
>
> >Obama is still ahead of McCain in the polls.
>
> The last Gallup poll showed the race even among all respondents and
> McCain with a slim lead among likely voters.
>
> Brian
Amazing...at this time in 88, Dukakis was ahead of Bush by 17. With
everything bad in this country that the media harps on everyday you'd
think NObama would be up by 10 pts on the old man yet they're neck and
neck. This is amazing. If Hillary were running she would be up by at
least 5-10 pts guaranteed. NObama is a rookie, lightweight, media
creation, pretend community activist and a novice. Smart and shrewd
people will see through the act. The dumb ones won't. Which are you!
alfansome
So now we finally see what this is all about. Another white guy
afraid of the boogie man.
Al
God versus a can of tuna
> "Kel Varnsen" <KelVarnsenAu...@aol.com> wrote in message
Pappy, some of your posts make me laugh and even think but most I just
ignore because of the racist garbage. Try leaving out the racism and
you might actually make others think or perhaps your only objective is
to be provocative. Your racism only provokes me to ignore you.
William December Starr
Kel Varnsen <KelVarn...@aol.com> said:
> Obamasama was KO'ed by McCain. Nobama could not give a straight
> answer. Always dodging and twisting and shucking and jiving.
And of course we should take the word of someone who calls him
"NObama" and "Obamasama" on this.
-- wds
Jim Beaver
"Kel Varnsen" <KelVarn...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:b92f636a-ad02-4c7d...@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
Racist pig.
Plonk.
Jim Beaver
"wolfagain" <wo...@provide.net> wrote in message
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Racist pig.
Plonk.
Deke
"alfansome" <alfa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> So now we finally see what this is all about. Another white guy
> afraid of the boogie man.
>
> Al
Racist Pig.
Plonk.
Truth...@nospam.net
Its irrelevant. Obama has the states with the electorial votes that will
carry the nation.
>Brian
Truth...@nospam.net
08/17/2008
at 10:32 AM, wolfagain <wo...@provide.net> said:
>On Aug 17, 12:13 pm, Puritan <Sacredcowb...@aol.com> wrote:
>> Now that McBush's Troll has had his rant, perhaps we can move on to
>> more obituaries.
>Debacle at the Saddle! Obama looked like a boy against a Man! Polling
>numbers by convention time might just PANIC dems to change their minds
>and vote for Hillary.
mcCain only won in the eyes of you right wingers. And guess what goober,
the polls show mcCain cannot beat Obama. Obama has the states with the
electorial votes that will carry the election.
Now start learning how to hide your racism and calling a black man Mr.
President.
Truth...@nospam.net
Pappy
You mean "President Moonnigger"?
Audie Murphy's Ghost
<wds...@panix.com> wrote:
The best thing about Obama winning this election is that it'll piss off
all the right people.
Kel Varnsen
Afraid? NO....Concerned? YES
Kel Varnsen
> In <aadha45br3fgqs4u3uf8ur41k0ft691...@4ax.com>, on 08/17/2008
> at 11:35 PM, Brian Thorn <bthor...@suddenlink.net> said:
>
> >On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:20:06 -0400, "Steven L."
> ><sdlit...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>Obama is still ahead of McCain in the polls.
> >The last Gallup poll showed the race even among all respondents and
> >McCain with a slim lead among likely voters.
>
> Its irrelevant. Obama has the states with the electorial votes that will
> carry the nation.
>
> >Brian
Sorry, no he doesn't and Hillary's people wouldn't be making noise if
they had confidence in him. I'm telling you he's going to lose just
like Gore and Kerry did before. I'm saving this post. I'll remind
you in November how wrong you were.
Kel Varnsen
wrote:
> In article <g8b83n$qm...@panix2.panix.com>, William December Starr
>
> <wdst...@panix.com> wrote:
> > In article <b92f636a-ad02-4c7d-84b2-9c51c428f...@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
> > Kel Varnsen <KelVarnsenAu...@aol.com> said:
>
> > > Obamasama was KO'ed by McCain. Nobama could not give a straight
> > > answer. Always dodging and twisting and shucking and jiving.
>
> > And of course we should take the word of someone who calls him
> > "NObama" and "Obamasama" on this.
>
> > -- wds
>
> The best thing about Obama winning this election is that it'll piss off
> all the right people.
Nice try jerkoff, he ain't gonna win. Even Hillary and her people
know this, that's why they're making noise. Keep dreaming. I bet I
could go back to 2000 or 2004 and find your posts saying Bush was
going to lose. You're not the best one to be making predictions.
McCain wins over 300 electoral votes because some people don't trust
the magic negro.
Truth...@nospam.net
Its amazing how the racist inside every right winger is coming out in this
election!
Below we have the character Pappy calling the next president "President
Moonnigger." As a followup we will seen 15 more posts him and other
right wigners claiming they are not racists!
In <KTdqk.11769$XT1....@bignews5.bellsouth.net>, on 08/18/2008
Brian Thorn
>>The last Gallup poll showed the race even among all respondents and
>>McCain with a slim lead among likely voters.
>
>Its irrelevant. Obama has the states with the electorial votes that will
>carry the nation.
Depends on the running mates. If McCain picks Giuliani, New York will
be in play, and all bets are off. Meanwhile, frontrunner Biden does
nothing for Obama.
Besides, two swing states... Florida and Ohio, are notoriously fickle.
Hard to tell this far out which way they'll go.
Brian
Brian
>mcCain only won in the eyes of you right wingers. And guess what goober,
>the polls show mcCain cannot beat Obama. Obama has the states with the
>electorial votes that will carry the election.
>
>Now start learning how to hide your racism and calling a black man Mr.
>President.
So anyone who doesn't plan to vote for Obama is a racist?
Brian
I didn't make the comment that Obama will win.
Brian
Brian
<alfa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>If you just compare American body count let's see bin Laden 2800,
>Cheney 4300 hmmm. Not to mention tens of thousands of Iraqis...
>
>e.
We haven't been the ones killing the Iraqi civilians. Cheney didn't
plot the deaths of those in the military.
Truth...@nospam.net
Run along goober. You snipped the text I was refering to. That makes you a
troll and stupid.
In <hb0ka4tde7hki1rnh...@4ax.com>, on 08/18/2008
Truth...@nospam.net
He has more then enough electorial votes. Stop pretending mcCain is going
to win.
>Brian
Ed Stasiak
>
> For what it's worth, McCain has a ferocious hair-trigger temper, and
> was caught cursing his wife, using a word that would get me kicked
> out of my house. Is this the kind of man we want for a president?
Yes, if my _only_ choice was between McCain and Obama.
IMO, both of them are puppets who will do what they are told
but at least McCain (and Hillary) seems like the kinda guy who
has enough balls to maybe make his own decision.
I suspect that Obama on the other hand, will dutifully follow
orders no matter how he may personally feel about the issue.
Brian Thorn
>He has more then enough electorial votes. Stop pretending mcCain is going
>to win.
Obama may well win, but it is enormously far from a sure thing right
now. Just ask Hillary about having elections locked up.
Brian
Kel Varnsen
> Its amazing how the racist inside every right winger is coming out in this
> election!
>
> Below we have the character Pappy calling the next president "President
> Moonnigger." As a followup we will seen 15 more posts him and other
> right wigners claiming they are not racists!
>
> at 07:28 AM, "Pappy" < Pa...@155GWD.com> said:
>
> >> In <37040c61-42d3-4648-84a8-9bb14f5e7...@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
> >on > 08/17/2008
> >> at 10:32 AM, wolfagain <w...@provide.net> said:
>
> >>>On Aug 17, 12:13 pm, Puritan <Sacredcowb...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>>> Now that McBush's Troll has had his rant, perhaps we can move on to
> >>>> more obituaries.
>
> >>>Debacle at the Saddle! Obama looked like a boy against a Man! Polling
> >>>numbers by convention time might just PANIC dems to change their minds
> >>>and vote for Hillary.
>
> >> mcCain only won in the eyes of you right wingers. And guess what goober,
> >> the polls show mcCain cannot beat Obama. Obama has the states with the
> >> electorial votes that will carry the election.
>
> >> Now start learning how to hide your racism and calling a black man Mr.
> >> President.
>
> >> Of course this just might cause a RIOT as Blacks
> >>>try to burn down the convention hall if their boy is rejected. Either
> >>>way, it's going to be GREAT for TV ratings, mostly us Conservatives
> >>>waiting for the MAYHEM and RIOTING to begin!
>
> >You mean "President Moonnigger"?
You're a racist too as well as a lot of blacks supporting NObama only
because he is black. That's racial to me. I have never voted for
anyone because of the color of his or her skin.
Kel Varnsen
It was meant for that idiot truthtel
Kel Varnsen
> In <iguja4d68slu2kln5pcm5vrc4l4fmaq...@4ax.com>, on 08/18/2008
> at 10:43 PM, Brian Thorn <bthor...@suddenlink.net> said:
>
> >On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:26:08 GMT, TruthTel...@nospam.net wrote:
> >>>The last Gallup poll showed the race even among all respondents and
> >>>McCain with a slim lead among likely voters.
>
> >>Its irrelevant. Obama has the states with the electorial votes that will
> >>carry the nation.
> >Depends on the running mates. If McCain picks Giuliani, New York will be
> >in play, and all bets are off. Meanwhile, frontrunner Biden does nothing
> >for Obama.
> >Besides, two swing states... Florida and Ohio, are notoriously fickle.
> >Hard to tell this far out which way they'll go.
>
> He has more then enough electorial votes. Stop pretending mcCain is going
> to win.
>
> >Brian
Getting a little nervous!
Pappy
Is "racist" a bad thing? Not where I come from.
Harold Burton
snicker, it's called whistling through the graveyard.
Harold Burton
<8ca4db05-5af9-40a4...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
Kel Varnsen <KelVarn...@aol.com> wrote:
It's pretty obvious, isn't it.
Snicker.
Steven L.
> On Aug 17, 12:20 pm, "Steven L." <sdlit...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Kel Varnsen wrote:
The problem with Obama is he keeps right on thinking, and never reaches
a firm conclusion and never takes a muscular stand. That type of
judicious balancing back and forth makes for a nice university seminar,
but it's a lousy style of leadership.
That was one of the things that turned off the public to President
Carter. He would talk and talk and talk but never actually get off his
ass to do something and stick with it for more than a few weeks at a time.
It's been said that the hallmark of a good commander is the ability to
make decisions. Even if those decisions are wrong. If those decisions
are right, that's icing on the cake.
--
Steven L.
Email: sdli...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net
Truth...@nospam.net
No goober I'm not nervous at all. The fact is that mcCain does not have
the electorial votes to win. In fact he's at least 80 down.
Now go play stupid somewhere else. Your boring here.
In <hal.i.burton-E8E4...@comcast.dca.giganews.com>, on
08/18/2008
at 10:22 PM, Harold Burton <hal.i....@hotmail.com> said:
>In article
><8ca4db05-5af9-40a4...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
> Kel Varnsen <KelVarn...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 18, 8:29ápm, TruthTel...@nospam.net wrote:
>> > In <iguja4d68slu2kln5pcm5vrc4l4fmaq...@4ax.com>, on 08/18/2008
>> > á áat 10:43 PM, Brian Thorn <bthor...@suddenlink.net> said:
>> >
>> > >On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:26:08 GMT, TruthTel...@nospam.net wrote:
>> > >>>The last Gallup poll showed the race even among all respondents and
>> > >>>McCain with a slim lead among likely voters.
>> >
>> > >>Its irrelevant. Obama has the states with the electorial votes that will
>> > >>carry the nation. á
>> > >Depends on the running mates. If McCain picks Giuliani, New York will be
>> > >in play, and all bets are off. Meanwhile, frontrunner Biden does nothing
>> > >for Obama.
>> > >Besides, two swing states... Florida and Ohio, are notoriously fickle.
>> > >Hard to tell this far out which way they'll go.
>> >
>> > He has more then enough electorial votes. áStop pretending mcCain is going
>> > to win. á
Truth...@nospam.net
Stop driveling goober. mcCain does not have the votes to win.
In <hal.i.burton-EB98...@comcast.dca.giganews.com>, on
08/18/2008
at 10:22 PM, Harold Burton <hal.i....@hotmail.com> said:
Steven L.
> On Aug 17, 7:35 pm, Brian Thorn <bthor...@suddenlink.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:20:06 -0400, "Steven L."
>>
>> <sdlit...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> McCain with a slim lead among likely voters.
>>
>
> Amazing...at this time in 88, Dukakis was ahead of Bush by 17. With
> everything bad in this country that the media harps on everyday you'd
> think NObama would be up by 10 pts on the old man yet they're neck and
> neck. This is amazing. If Hillary were running she would be up by at
> least 5-10 pts guaranteed.
Obama's candidacy is an antiwar candidacy. His whole candidacy, boosted
by the "netroots," was to get us out of Iraq. Period. That was always
the whole thing.
But lately, the Iraq War has faded as an issue.
If you take the Iraq War out of the picture, what else does Obama have
to offer? Obama doesn't know health care and national defense like
Hillary does. He's not an economic populist like Edwards. He was
always a single-issue candidate; and that issue, Iraq, is no longer the
big issue.
Unless Iraq heats up again between now and Election Day, the original
reason for Obama's candidacy is going bye-bye.
Truth...@nospam.net
>Kel Varnsen wrote:
>> On Aug 17, 7:35 pm, Brian Thorn <bthor...@suddenlink.net> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:20:06 -0400, "Steven L."
>>>
>>> <sdlit...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Obama is still ahead of McCain in the polls.
>>> The last Gallup poll showed the race even among all respondents and
>>> McCain with a slim lead among likely voters.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>
>> Amazing...at this time in 88, Dukakis was ahead of Bush by 17. With
>> everything bad in this country that the media harps on everyday you'd
>> think NObama would be up by 10 pts on the old man yet they're neck and
>> neck. This is amazing. If Hillary were running she would be up by at
>> least 5-10 pts guaranteed.
>Obama's candidacy is an antiwar candidacy. His whole candidacy, boosted
>by the "netroots," was to get us out of Iraq. Period. That was always
>the whole thing.
>But lately, the Iraq War has faded as an issue.
>If you take the Iraq War out of the picture, what else does Obama have
>to offer?
The economy. Now stop pretending you know what you are talking about.
Harold Burton
> No goober I'm not nervous at all.
Yeah, ya are.
Snicker.
Harold Burton
> Stop driveling goober or you'll start to look like me.
Yep.
snicker.
Al. E. Gator Esq.
"Harold Burton" <hal.i....@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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burton, you snickering, little hillbilly bitch, you sound like beavis or
butthead there goober, but then
their characters were based on your ignorant, ugly, fat ass, weren't they?
so where you been boy ?, locked up for child molesting again ?
remember to stay 100 yards away from schools and playgrounds there goober,
those hillbillies
don't like any non-family members molesting their children
Al. E. Gator Esq.
hey beavis , I mean burton, pull my finger
alfansome
We have a perfect example of wrong decisions by Bush. Good
Commander???
e.
Truth...@nospam.net
Run along goober. Your projection and disassociation defects are obvious.
In <hal.i.burton-33BA...@comcast.dca.giganews.com>, on
08/18/2008
Truth...@nospam.net
Run along goober. Your projection and disassociation defects are obvious.
In <hal.i.burton-50F8...@comcast.dca.giganews.com>, on
08/18/2008
Jimmy Mac
"alfansome" <alfa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e265919f-c6e0-47f1...@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Only time will tell as far as Bush's presidential legacy is concerned. Same
goes for the legacy of the democratic party during this time. So we'll see.
One thing that's for sure is that Bush won't be able to claim he was
thwarted by democrats at every turn. He pretty much had his way with them
through both terms, at least so far.
Mitchell Holman
news:2qadnav31MsXsjfV...@earthlink.com:
Yes, it is a good thing Reagan took over and actually did things.
April 18, 1983 Bombing of U.S. Embassy in Beirut
Reagan response: none
Sept 1983 - KAL 007 shot down, 290 civilians killed.
Reagan response: None.
Oct. 23, 1983 Bombing of Marine barracks in Beirut
247 Marines killed.
Reagan response: none
Dec. 12, 1983 Bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Kuwait
Reagan response: none
March 16, 1984 CIA Station Chief William Buckley
kidnapped and tortured to death
Reagan response: Reagan administration sells arms
to Iran; 3 hostages freed
Sept. 20, 1984 Bombing of U.S. Embassy annex northeast of Beirut
Reagan response: A possible CIA attempt to assassinate Sheik
Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, the leader of Hezbollah via a car
bomb. Everyone was killed except Fadlallah.
Dec. 3, 1984 Hijacking of Kuwait Airways Flight 221
Reagan response: none
June 14, 1985 Hijacking of TWA Flight 847. Robert Dean Stethem,
a U.S. Navy diver, was shot
Reagan response: Israel responded by releasing the prisoners
demanded by the hijackers
October 1985 - January 1986 Hijacking of cruise ship Achille
Lauro; leon Klinghoffer killed
Bombing of Rome, Vienna airports
Reagan US response: US Navy sent to Gulf of Sidra
to provoke Khaddafi
April 5, 1986 Bombing of La Belle Discotheque; one american
soldier killed
Reagan response: 200 US aircraft attack Tripoli and
Benghazi; two days later, three Americans were murdered
in Beirut.
March 1987 - USS Stark attack by Iraqi missiles, 37 US
sailors killed.
Reagan response: None.
August 1988 - Iraq gasses Kurd villages with US-supplied
helicopters, thousands killed.
Reagan response: US aid to Iraq actually increased.
December 1988 - Pan Am 103 blown up over Lockerbie by Libyan
terrorists, 270 killed.
Reagan response: none.
Mitchell Holman
Md59grzfVnZ2...@earthlink.com:
> Kel Varnsen wrote:
>> On Aug 17, 7:35 pm, Brian Thorn <bthor...@suddenlink.net> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:20:06 -0400, "Steven L."
>>>
>>> <sdlit...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Obama is still ahead of McCain in the polls.
>>> The last Gallup poll showed the race even among all respondents and
>>> McCain with a slim lead among likely voters.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>
>> Amazing...at this time in 88, Dukakis was ahead of Bush by 17. With
>> everything bad in this country that the media harps on everyday you'd
>> think NObama would be up by 10 pts on the old man yet they're neck and
>> neck. This is amazing. If Hillary were running she would be up by at
>> least 5-10 pts guaranteed.
>
> Obama's candidacy is an antiwar candidacy. His whole candidacy, boosted
> by the "netroots," was to get us out of Iraq. Period. That was always
> the whole thing.
>
> But lately, the Iraq War has faded as an issue.
The Iraq Quagmire is costing $12 Billion, EVERY MONTH.
Who is going to pay for it?
Mitchell Holman
"Our children are ultimately going to have to pay for it"
- GOP Senator Bill Frist, regarding the massive debts being
run up by Pres. Bush and the GOP Congress, 9/23/05
Truth...@nospam.net
Stop your idiot right wing driveling. bush's history is that he lied to
make war that wasn't needed and wans't won, and that repuks controlled the
congress at the time.
In <1uidnZjrjaq7KjfV...@comcast.com>, on 08/19/2008
Kel Varnsen
> "Kel Varnsen" <KelVarnsenAu...@aol.com> wrote in message
Everyone is racist and has phobia fellings. Anyone that tells you
differently is a lying sack of shit. Let me tell you this, my in laws
live in Texas, they are the most liberal of people you could ever
meet. My Father in law says Americans should be compelled to speak
Spanish as well as English equally. So they move into an area of a
rather large city in Texas that many hispanics live in and this part
of the city they're trying to rehab into an upper middle class area.
And yes they have gobs of money of which I'll never see nor do I want
too. Anyhow my in laws get on some type of council to help drive out
poorer hispanics from this enclave so more whites can move in and
demolish the houses and build bigger and nicer new homes. So far
they've succeeded. So these two nimrods so far to the left who donate
their time to helping feed and shelter the homeless lead a movement to
oust poorer hispanics. Now you tell me, isn't that a tad
hispanicphobic? They help feed them but certainly don't want to live
around them. You see those fancy liberals up on Cape Cod don't want
windmills and they don't want poor blacks, whites or hispanics around
them. Yes they have bleeding hearts as long as you poor people stay
away. So everyone is racist and everyone has a phobia towards
minorities. I don't care what anyone says.
Kel Varnsen
NObama is as wishy washy as John Kerry. You can't pin the guy down on
anything. Watching him Saturday night leads me to think stupid people
on the left are looking for a Reagan type savior. The only problem is
Reagan never ever thought of himself as a Savior, NObama does.
Kel Varnsen
> Stop driveling goober. mcCain does not have the votes to win.
>
> 08/18/2008
> at 10:22 PM, Harold Burton <hal.i.bur...@hotmail.com> said:
>
> >In article <stoqk.206$p72.192@trnddc05>, TruthTel...@nospam.net wrote:
> >> In <iguja4d68slu2kln5pcm5vrc4l4fmaq...@4ax.com>, on 08/18/2008
> >> at 10:43 PM, Brian Thorn <bthor...@suddenlink.net> said:
>
> >> >On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:26:08 GMT, TruthTel...@nospam.net wrote:
>
> >> >>>The last Gallup poll showed the race even among all respondents and
> >> >>>McCain with a slim lead among likely voters.
>
> >> >>Its irrelevant. Obama has the states with the electorial votes that will
> >> >>carry the nation.
>
> >> >Depends on the running mates. If McCain picks Giuliani, New York will be
> >> >in play, and all bets are off. Meanwhile, frontrunner Biden does nothing
> >> >for Obama.
>
> >> >Besides, two swing states... Florida and Ohio, are notoriously fickle.
> >> >Hard to tell this far out which way they'll go.
>
> >> He has more then enough electorial votes.
> >snicker, it's called whistling through the graveyard.
Hey Buckwheat, you sound nervous and even I can hear that cracking in
your voice. Your boy might not win. If he doesn't will you riot in
the streets?
Kel Varnsen
> "Harold Burton" <hal.i.bur...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:hal.i.burton-E8E4...@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <8ca4db05-5af9-40a4-b769-3b6d27f29...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
> > Kel Varnsen <KelVarnsenAu...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >> On Aug 18, 8:29 pm, TruthTel...@nospam.net wrote:
> >> > In <iguja4d68slu2kln5pcm5vrc4l4fmaq...@4ax.com>, on 08/18/2008
> >> > at 10:43 PM, Brian Thorn <bthor...@suddenlink.net> said:
>
> >> > >Brian
>
> >> Getting a little nervous!
>
> > It's pretty obvious, isn't it.
>
> > Snicker.
>
> burton, you snickering, little hillbilly bitch, you sound like beavis or
> butthead there goober, but then
> their characters were based on your ignorant, ugly, fat ass, weren't they?
> so where you been boy ?, locked up for child molesting again ?
>
> remember to stay 100 yards away from schools and playgrounds there goober,
> those hillbillies
> don't like any non-family members molesting their children
Aunt Esther called, she needs her false teeth back!
Kel Varnsen
>
> news:hal.i.burton-EB98...@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>
>
>
> > In article <stoqk.206$p72.192@trnddc05>, TruthTel...@nospam.net wrote:
>
> >> In <iguja4d68slu2kln5pcm5vrc4l4fmaq...@4ax.com>, on 08/18/2008
> >> at 10:43 PM, Brian Thorn <bthor...@suddenlink.net> said:
>
> >> >On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:26:08 GMT, TruthTel...@nospam.net wrote:
>
> >> >>>The last Gallup poll showed the race even among all respondents and
> >> >>>McCain with a slim lead among likely voters.
>
> >> >>Its irrelevant. Obama has the states with the electorial votes that
> >> >>will
> >> >>carry the nation.
>
> >> >Depends on the running mates. If McCain picks Giuliani, New York will be
> >> >in play, and all bets are off. Meanwhile, frontrunner Biden does nothing
> >> >for Obama.
>
> >> >Besides, two swing states... Florida and Ohio, are notoriously fickle.
> >> >Hard to tell this far out which way they'll go.
>
> >> He has more then enough electorial votes.
>
> > snicker, it's called whistling through the graveyard.
>
> hey beavis , I mean burton, pull my finger
Aunt Esther called, she needs her false teeth back!
Brian Thorn
M) wrote:
>>If McCain picks Giuliani, New York will be in play, and all bets are off.
>
>Har, talk about losing 3 votes for every one you would gain. If he only
>would pick Mayor Benito and hand the election to Obama on a silver platter.
>But we aren't that lucky.
Giuliani ran a dreadful campaign. But that doesn't have to be the case
if he's the veep candidate. He is still much more highly regarded
nationally than Joe Biden, assuming many people even remember who
Biden is.
>>Meanwhile, frontrunner Biden does nothing for Obama.
>
>?
Electorally, which was the context of my message. Biden hails from the
huge swing state of... Delaware, and isn't well-liked anywhere else.
>Tons of Washington experience,
And this helps Obama's "I'm an outsider, I'm going to change
Washington" how?
>known and respected by tons of foreign
>leaders
And also the reason "Bidenizing" is in the political vernacular (don't
have a speech? steal someone else's!). Don't fool yourself that it
won't come up again. Same with his habit of misrepresenting his
college record, where he claimed he finished in the top half of his
class, but was really a C and D student. Oops. Even if the electorate
comes down with Biden amnesia, Biden is indeed more well-rounded on
all issues than Obama, and people are going to start wondering if
maybe the ticket shouldn't be the other way around. None of this is a
clear win for Obama.
Brian
clouddreamer
> On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:18:36 -0500, denn...@dennism3.invalid (Dennis
> M) wrote:
>
>
>>> If McCain picks Giuliani, New York will be in play, and all bets are off.
>> Har, talk about losing 3 votes for every one you would gain. If he only
>> would pick Mayor Benito and hand the election to Obama on a silver platter.
>> But we aren't that lucky.
>
> Giuliani ran a dreadful campaign. But that doesn't have to be the case
> if he's the veep candidate. He is still much more highly regarded
> nationally than Joe Biden, assuming many people even remember who
> Biden is.
Giuliani being an 72 year old heartbeat away from the presidency? <shiver>
..
--
We must change the way we live,
or the climate will do it for us.
Jimmy Mac
<Truth...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:qEzqk.215$Ro1.183@trnddc04...
> Stop your idiot right wing driveling. bush's history is that he lied to
> make war that wasn't needed and wans't won, and that repuks controlled the
> congress at the time.
I'm so sorry what I said has upset you somehow. Why don't you do the plonk
thing? I think it would help your effort to get your thoughts tied down all
nice and tidy like.
Docky Wocky
although no electoral votes have been won by anybody.
This somehow seems to suggest that they have already fixed the election to
provide the requisite number of electoral votes.
Whatever. Stand by for the partisan wars that will accompany any Obama
presidency, or any McCain presidency.
Truth...@nospam.net
Stop whining. I told you truth you don't want to deal with, but it will
be the history of bush.
In <4v6dnRf68qtzeTfV...@comcast.com>, on 08/19/2008
Brian
>
>
>Run along goober. You snipped the text I was refering to. That makes you a
>troll and stupid.
Are you too stupid to understand the concept of editing out the
extraneous material? What I quoted was your entire reply.
Bye
Brian
<KelVarn...@aol.com> wrote:
>NObama is as wishy washy as John Kerry. You can't pin the guy down on
>anything. Watching him Saturday night leads me to think stupid people
>on the left are looking for a Reagan type savior. The only problem is
>Reagan never ever thought of himself as a Savior, NObama does.
Pelosi seems to think he is.
He was warmly received by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who called him
"a leader that God has blessed us with at this time."
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0808/Obama_I_will_win.html
Brian
<KelVarn...@aol.com> wrote:
>It was meant for that idiot truthtel
I just didn't want to be associated with it.
Brian
M) wrote:
>? Tons of Washington experience, known and respected by tons of foreign
>leaders and most importantly, he knows how to go for the Republican jugular
>("Giuliani's sentences consist of 'a noun, a verb, and 9/11' ").
And a sincere belief that he is the smartest person in the room and
will be happy to tell you. He has a strong tendency to keep talking
and put his foot in his mouth. He also is very abrasive. McCain can be
also but it tends to come through as authenticity. I don't know if it
will with Biden.
>That pompous ass Romney (or whoever McCain picks from the remaining list of
>no-names) sure as hell won't be using JB as a doormat in the VP debate
>(like Cheney did with Loserman in 2000).
Time will tell.
Brian
<btho...@suddenlink.net> wrote:
>Electorally, which was the context of my message. Biden hails from the
>huge swing state of... Delaware, and isn't well-liked anywhere else.
While I agree, Cheney didn't bring any electoral votes either.
>And this helps Obama's "I'm an outsider, I'm going to change
>Washington" how?
Does he go with all change and no experience or does he try to get
some experience on the ticket and blunt the change message? decisions,
decisions.
It was interesting seeing Obama almost say he wouldn't have voted for
Clarence Thomas because Thomas didn't have enough experience for the
job.
>And also the reason "Bidenizing" is in the political vernacular (don't
>have a speech? steal someone else's!). Don't fool yourself that it
>won't come up again. Same with his habit of misrepresenting his
>college record, where he claimed he finished in the top half of his
>class, but was really a C and D student. Oops. Even if the electorate
>comes down with Biden amnesia, Biden is indeed more well-rounded on
>all issues than Obama, and people are going to start wondering if
>maybe the ticket shouldn't be the other way around. None of this is a
>clear win for Obama.
It would be a dramatic difference between them.
I do remember Biden being interviewed on one of the Sunday morning
shows in the summer of 2001. He said what he was most concerned about
was terrorism. I have to give him credit for talking about it.
Brian
>Only time will tell as far as Bush's presidential legacy is concerned. Same
>goes for the legacy of the democratic party during this time. So we'll see.
>One thing that's for sure is that Bush won't be able to claim he was
>thwarted by democrats at every turn. He pretty much had his way with them
>through both terms, at least so far.
Actually that isn't really correct; at least not in most cases.
Are you familiar with Senate procedures?
Bill Bonde { ''Well, boys, I reckon this is it, nuclear combat toe to toe with the Roosskies'')
Kel Varnsen wrote:
>
> Obamasama was KO'ed by McCain. Nobama could not give a straight
> answer. Always dodging and twisting and shucking and jiving. All of
> that stammering and long-winded responses absolutely drove me nuts!
> Without NObama's teleprompter, he cannot seem to formulate a decent
> sentence
>
Maybe McCain should give Obama a break and let him debate with
George W Bush.
--
Well the Ukraine girls really knock me out,
They leave the West behind,
And Moscow girls make me sing and shout,
That Georgia's always on my my my my my my my my my mind.
Jimmy Mac
"Brian" <drmorri...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:9bqma4lo90go9a2sm...@4ax.com...
No.
Tell me. I'm all ears [no offense to Obama intended].
Harold Burton
> Run along goober. Your projection and disassociation defects are obvious.
Snicker.
Harold Burton
"Al. E. Gator Esq." <ObamaCroc08.net> wrote:
> burton, you snickering, little hillbilly bitch, you sound like beavis or
> butthead there goober, but then
> their characters were based on your ignorant, ugly, fat ass, weren't they?
> so where you been boy ?, locked up for child molesting again ?
>
> remember to stay 100 yards away from schools and playgrounds there goober,
> those hillbillies
> don't like any non-family members molesting their children
Snicker.
Harold Burton
> Run along goober. Your projection and disassociation defects are obvious.
snicker.
Harold Burton
"Al. E. Gator Esq." <ObamaCroc08.net> wrote:
> "Harold Burton" <hal.i....@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hal.i.burton-EB98...@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> > In article <stoqk.206$p72.192@trnddc05>, Truth...@nospam.net wrote:
> >
> >> In <iguja4d68slu2kln5...@4ax.com>, on 08/18/2008
> >> at 10:43 PM, Brian Thorn <btho...@suddenlink.net> said:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:26:08 GMT, Truth...@nospam.net wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> >>>The last Gallup poll showed the race even among all respondents and
> >> >>>McCain with a slim lead among likely voters.
> >> >>
> >> >>Its irrelevant. Obama has the states with the electorial votes that
> >> >>will
> >> >>carry the nation.
> >>
> >> >Depends on the running mates. If McCain picks Giuliani, New York will be
> >> >in play, and all bets are off. Meanwhile, frontrunner Biden does nothing
> >> >for Obama.
> >>
> >> >Besides, two swing states... Florida and Ohio, are notoriously fickle.
> >> >Hard to tell this far out which way they'll go.
> >>
> >>
> >> He has more then enough electorial votes.
> >
> >
> > snicker, it's called whistling through the graveyard.
>
> hey beavis , I mean burton, pull my finger
snicker.
awthr...@gmail.com
> Stop your idiot right wing driveling. bush's history is that he lied to
> make war that wasn't needed and wans't won, and that repuks controlled the
> congress at the time.
>
Is it true that Obama, in an unprecedented move, is going to ask
McCain to be his vice presidential running mate?
This way, McCain either becomes president or vice president.
Obama's reason for the request? After his drubbing at Saddleback,
Obama wants someone on his ticket who can win a debate.
Al. E. Gator Esq.
<awthr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e852ddae-f749-4318...@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 19, 8:11 am, TruthTel...@nospam.net wrote:
> Stop your idiot right wing driveling. bush's history is that he lied to
> make war that wasn't needed and wans't won, and that repuks controlled the
> congress at the time.
McCain to be his vice presidential running mate?
This way, McCain either becomes president or vice president.
Obama's reason for the request? After his drubbing at Saddleback,
Obama wants someone on his ticket who can win a debate.
keep dreaming shithead,
which debate was it you were dreaming about ?
damn you hillbillies are idiots
awthr...@gmail.com
> <awthraw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
You might be right, Obombination isn't likely to show up for any
debates after he got crushed at the Rick Warren event.
David Johnston
>Is it true that Obama, in an unprecedented move, is going to ask
>McCain to be his vice presidential running mate?
>
Of course it isn't true. What a stupid idea.
Al. E. Gator Esq.
<awthr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:c1e04cd1-8026-4d5c...@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
hey goober, seriously, what dimension is it that you hillbillies live in ?
it must be the stupid, hillbilly, day dreaming world, the one where tax cuts
for the rich create jobs,
where making people poor and making them compete with mexicans makes them
more productive and creates more jobs
at wal mart, the hillbilly utopia
where the 57 million people without health insurance just have to go to the
emergency room,
go into debt for $800 per visit and give up their first born to satisfy the
bill, give them up to their wealthy master's
military, that is, so they don't have to send their children and
grandchildren to back up those big mouths
where all you have to do is dig a hole and get enough gas to feed that 8 MPG
F150 with the V-10 and the empty beer cans
in the back
where you can take the same 650,000 troops and have them fighting wars all
over the world for 20 years, every other year, hell
they love it, they'll stay forever if you just keep them supplied with
babies and old women to kill, just like their jew masters
where a fat ass, gutless, lying, cocksucking, traitorous, corporate, oil
company, saudi, and jew owned hillbilly
with a flesh eating bacteria devouring his face gets to be your "HERO"
LMAO
damn, most americans have self respect gomer, what's up with you hillbillies
?
Brian
>You might be right, Obombination isn't likely to show up for any
>debates after he got crushed at the Rick Warren event.
He sure backed off from his promise to debate McCain often and in town
hall forums before the conventions. He supposedly agreed to one on
July 4 when nobody would watch.
Ubiquitous
>Obamasama was KO'ed by McCain. Nobama could not give a straight
>answer. Always dodging and twisting and shucking and jiving.
Barack Obama got to be the Democratic presidential nominee in large part because he opposed from
the start the use of U.S. military force to liberate Iraq. Hillary Clinton and John Edwards, by
contrast, both voted for it. But an exchange in Saturday night's forum with Rick Warren raises
serious questions about Obama's honesty vis-à-vis Iraq. Here it is:
Warren: What's the most significant--let me ask it this way. What's the
most gut-wrenching decision you ever had to make and how did you process
that to come to that decision?
Obama: Well, you know, I think the opposition to the war in Iraq was
as rough a decision as I've had to make. Not only because there were
political consequences, but also because Saddam Hussein was a real
bad person, and there was no doubt that he meant America ill. But I
was firmly convinced at the time that we did not have strong evidence
of weapons of mass destruction, and there were a lot of questions
that, as I spoke to experts, kept on coming up. Do we know how the
Shia and the Sunni and the Kurds are going to get along in a post-Saddam
situation? What's our assessment as to how this will affect the
battle against terrorists like al Qaeda? Have we finished the job
in Afghanistan?
So I agonized over that. And I think that questions of war and peace
generally are so profound. . . .
But Obama's famous anti-Iraq speech, which he delivered Oct. 26, 2002, depicted the decision as
anything but profound:
I don't oppose all wars. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What
I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical
attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair,
weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological
agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost
and in hardships borne. What I am opposed to is the attempt by
political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the
uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income,
to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has
just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression.
The speech did include a condemnation of Saddam, but it was a pro forma one--not a concession to
the other side, but an inoculation against the charge that Obama was siding with a vicious
dictator. In his speech, Obama gave no quarter to those who disagreed with him: no indication
that there were any valid points on their side, or even that they might have been arguing in good
faith.
Now Obama expects us to believe that opposing what he understood at the time to be no more than a
"cynical attempt" by "armchair, weekend warriors" to "shove their own ideological agendas down
our throats" and an "attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us" was THE most
gut-wrenching decision of his _entire life_.
Could it be that Obama did in fact agonize over the decision but decided not to share that fact
with the voters until now? Perhaps, but why? Earlier in Saturday's interview, Warren asked Obama
to name an incident in which he "went against your own best interest, for the good of America."
Here is the relevant part of that response:
When I opposed the initial decision to go into war in Iraq. That
was not a popular view at the time. And I was just starting my
campaign for the United States Senate. And I think there were a lot
of people who advised me, you should be cautious. This is going to
be successful. The president has a very high approval rating and
you could end up losing the election as a consequence of this.
If Obama told Warren the truth about his own deliberations in 2002, then he misled the voters
back then by _concealing_ his sympathy for (notwithstanding his ultimate disagreement with) what
he believed to be a politically expedient position. Perhaps a psychiatrist could offer some
elaborate explanation of why he would do this, but Occam's razor suggests that what Obama is
saying now is simply at variance with the truth.
--
It is simply breathtaking to watch the glee and abandon with which
the liberal media and the Angry Left have been attempting to turn
our military victory in Iraq into a second Vietnam quagmire. Too bad
for them, it's failing.
Brian
wrote:
>Of course it isn't true. What a stupid idea.
It was sarcasm..