Fah lalala lalala KIDDIE PORN SUCKS!
Leda
Ask me if I care Dianne!
I know where my heart is in the matter.. Obviously you choose to avoid the
REAL problem at hand and continue to bash me for opposing child porn. i.e--
Re: Get A Grip Postings to those just tuning in...
Can I ask EVERYONE... "What is wrong with this picture? I really love one
reply I got to your (Dianne's) Comments in an email from someone very
perceptive in this matter, and take their advice.. which was superb... And
I leave you with this...
To All who think I am wrong for sticking to my GUNS about Kiddie Porn
"You go away"
lalalala (Smile)
Leda....
Leda
Regards to the reply---
Was not saying anything of the sort.. Just leave me alone at let me make an
ass of myself.. Mind? Or must you continue to comment on every comment I
make? What are your reasons for being like this anyway?
You GO AWAY, okay :)~ <-- That's my tongue sticking out at you btw.. so
Naaah!
I will always be smiling and this is something you need to work on. Grump!
:)
Leda
Ps- I have not but you are sure ready to defend yourself in it.. for
something that is not even there
Leda <Le...@ledamay.com*> wrote in article
<01bcd9da$5703dc60$1174...@brookhaven.erinet.com>...
Diane
In article <01bcd9da$5703dc60$11745acf@brook haven.erinet.com>, From
"Leda" <Le...@ledamay.com*>, the following was written:
> Obviously you choose to avoid the
> REAL problem at hand and continue to bash me for opposing child porn
Not at all - I'm bashing you because you run a pornographic web site for
profit and because you made a purile effort to impersonate an FBI
employee who "supported" your site. Obviously you're missing a few
aces.
I'm killfilling you from my system but more importantly I'm turning over
the weird FBI messages to the L.A. office of the FBI via the internet
and we'll see what they think of them. Copies are being sent to your
Internet provider (erinet.Com) as well as and your web site host
provider (digiscape.net) and we'll let them decide as well.
Have a nice day.
--
Diane astro@NOSPAM_slip.net
10/16/97 11:19
---------
Leda
On 15 Oct 1997 15:11:29 GMT, "www.ledamay.com/start.htm"
<Le...@ledamay.com*> wrote:
posted and emailed
>My hatred of the Kiddie Porn and Rape sex is sincere.
If this is so then you DO have my sincere appology. I went to your home
page hoping to find information about on jumping on the people
(unfortunately they are people and have to be delt with as such ) who
exploit others, what I found was a pay site. "Adult" material was used as
part of the reason/excuse by the three "men" who raped me so maybe you can
understand a bit of my reaction. This material was bought from a place that
I didn't have to go into and that children are rightly barred from. I worry
about the actions your "clients".
A couple of years ago out here in Australia a federal polititian used to
get "publicly angry" about child abuse, he is now serving time for raping a
couple pre-teen of girls. I have seen so many people take a moral on stand
on this issue and are then be found to be involved it. I not accusing you
of that but it is one thing that I am VERY concerned about.
Adding your address to my killfile was a bit hasty, I have undone that, you
do have every right to defend yourself. I admit to over reacting but even
now (just over 15 years since the attack) it is still very easy to push me
to anger about anything dealing with "erotica" . I have calmed down
somewhat and will admit that I may be wrong about your motives, if I am
then sorry.
One thing you, I or anyone else can do here is ask their ISP to remove any
of the obvious news groups dedicated to child abuse or rape from their news
server. Without looking through every group it is impossible to find them
all but if you are looking at a binary group that has "pre-teen" in its'
title then you can be almost guaranteed that it shouldn't be there. I have
just done this with mine.
My gripe is not with your sentiments (they are the same as mine) but with
the way you posted them with an address leading to an "adult" site
attached. Again if I got your meaning wrong my appology.
Leda
All of this mess is only because I try to cover the cost of my page by
charging and you think I am some "Industry" or something.. For your
information... I am just me.. and that page is very personal "about me"..
Damn you're a real LOW LIFE!!!!
FUCK YOU btw...
Leda :)~
(smile)
Not all feel as you do.. Girlfriend!
Hi Leda,
This might take awhile to get to you since I spend very little time on
line. Sorry about the way I go through and comment on little bits at a time
but it is the only way I can keep my thoughts straight.
>
> Thank you Andi.. I was so upset about all this all day and said some
> mean things myself.
I actually waited a day before posting what I originaly did, if I hadn't
every hard drive in the world would have crashed :^). Honey I can
understand your concerns, it is just that I've seen others use those
concerns for some really sick reasons.
>I am sorry for being so aggressive in the whole
> matter but, I was responding in the only way I knew how to when *I*
> was being associated with with "them"
Having read the rest of your letter I can accept this, we both had our
reasons for aggression and I think we've just found out that they were off
the mark. The trouble with "them" is that they will so often hide behind
people like you or me and try to seem respectable.
>I am 29 years old and have
> been on hormones 18months now.
I have only just started hormones which is quite likely another reason that
I bit so hard. No doubt you remember the interesting experiences of the
first six weeks.
>I live with my Husband Dan and have
> since almost 4 years ago. We met on the forth of July watching the
> fireworks and have been together ever since. He has really been
> great through this whole transition I have been undergoing and I
> love him to pieces!
Hmm... he sounds nice, don't lose him. Transition's "fun" isn't it.
Must admit though I wouldn't go back for quids.
> What first prompted me to lashing out against
> these types was a person who's web page I was hosting turned out to
> have some of the most HORRID and Brutal Molestation Pics on it I
> could have never imagined...
Don't think any creep is going to get this past you again.
> I still have nightmares about the
> stuff. And then I see it promoted in the news groups makes me want
> to do SOMETHING if anything. This PiC that I saw was one of a series
> of some very young Asian girl, tied, and being burned on her breast
> with a propane torch. I will never be able to get the look of pain
> out of my head that I saw on that girls face. I've woken up many of
> night with that vision in my head, sweating and crying. This is why
> I was so angry at the responses I was getting from people at my
> posts about it.
It is even worse when you've been on the recieving end, though that picture
you've described is more horrible than anything I've ever come across or
(luckily) was done to me. Sometimes I think that locking the people who do
this up in a small dark cell with absolutely no sensory stimuli would be a
good idea - although some bleeding hearts would call cruel. Can you imagine
never seeing or hearing anything again and having no escape except eventual
death, a horrible fate for some horrible crimes.
> The signature file that had my web page has been
> removed as not to imply my advertising when I do my LITTLE part in
> posting against it.
That was a very good idea. So many of the porn merchants are using
decietful tactic to get people to their sites so that someone (like you)
with a legitemate concern is going to get tarred with the same brush as
them. I wish I had kept a copy of the email spam that really got me worked
up, it was very similar to your post but unlike your post it *was* an
advert. That email is what got you temporally killfiled.
> I sincerely believe that more people should come
> out against this!
NO arguement!
I'm sorry if this sounds like a critisism it's not. None of this is meant
to be rude it is just a suggestion for getting the message across more
effectively. When you post a follow up to something (even if like my post
it makes you furious) send it only once, the multiples are a hallmark of
the porn spammers. I had seen you send multiples in earlier situations
(I'm a long term sstg lurker) and it tends to get people way offside. The
other thing is you posted to three ng's (alt.tg, s.s.tg and alt.sex.trans)
cross posting also really annoys people, especially when you do it to both
support groups and a sex group. The alt.sex.trans address was another thing
that set my alarm bells ringing, the lurkers in a.s.trans need the same
message but it is best to do it separately to the support groups like sstg.
<lecturing maiden aunt mode off>
> I have made it my personal responsibility to
> report anything of that nature I find to anyone that will listen and
> only wish more would follow
You may want to set up a page on your domain telling people how to go about
finding and reporting the owners of violent sites (all child/rape porn is
violent). If you put the the internic url from your sig there then people
can find and use it. Add my suggestion to get anything gross taken off the
news spools. I've just asked my ISP to get rid of 12. The words "lolita"
and "pre-teen" are a dead give away.
If you do set up such a site post a monthly pointer to it in some of the
relevant groups, do a search on abuse and see what you find. There are
support ngs for victims/supporters of sex crimes, if you explain what you
are doing then I have no doubt that they will help. If you do set it up let
me know the url and I'll let my friends know, that will get the old word of
mouth working.
> :( My page... I hate to charge and it
> was not a pay page before. I am not a CORP or anything special.. It
> is JUST ME sitting here and trying to make up for the $700.00 dollar
> domain host bill I got from before I started charging. There are
> about 600 Pics of me on there and 3000+ other T* PiCs from some
> CD-Rom I got at the Computer show, along with 3000+ Amazon women
> pics from the same source. Believe me.. I hate the emails I get
> sometimes about what these people want to do to me.. You name it..
> they've said it!
That is no suprise, in their sick minds you have been tagged as available.
From what you said earlier they would be very wrong.
> Once I realized what I had done putting my pics on
> the page.. It was too late.. It was however a blessing in disguise.
> It brought me out of the closet which has made me happier and not
> living a lie anymore. So everything does have it's reasons. Anyway..
> Thank you for the email and I am truly sorry to hear about your
> experience in life. Hugs and THANK YOU! I feel better...
There is a silver lining to most things - if you look hard enough
:^)
>Notice my
> signature.. Has been this for sometime.. Maybe it will catch on as
> everyone's signature file... Leda... Ps- I am awake for a while if
> you want to bounce some emails to and fro.. I am a chatty Cathy if
> you could not tell.. :)
> -------------------------------------------------- PLEASE... Pass
> this info along!!! REPORT PEDOPHILEAS AND RAPE!!! Here is How...
> Take the Domain of the "Animal" in question and go to the Below WWW
> Address and do a "whois" on that domain.
> http://rs.internic.net/cgi-bin/whois Take the Information you get
> and email their Service Provider/Admin Contact about their SICK
> ways. Most providers will immediately discontinue their service to
> them. Also, include to their provider the posting that the "ANIMAL"
> had placed along with any other personal info you think might
> influence their ISP to do something about it. Everyone needs to do
> something about this. How can ANYBODY sit idly by and know this is
> going on? WE can make a difference! Also, Make this part of "your"
> signature file as well. Soon (hopefully) many will do the same. If
> there is something more that we can do, please email me the info.
> -------------------------------------------------- Sincerely,
When (I don't doubt that you will) you set up a page shorten the sig to
pointer to it. People are more likely to read it and then possibley do
something. The long sig is a good idea though.
Leda I think that we are both on the same side and both being TS women have
alot in common. We've both been exposed to the sexual predators and both
loathe them. I think that if you keep caring then you WILL make a
difference.
bye for now
Andi
Diane
Diane wrote in message <628eas$kra$1...@owl.slip.net>...
>Also on that page, under the link marked Toronto is a picture of Tommy and
>he's a pretty handsome guy - what with that mustache and all - you should
>check it out
Oh! Oh! You know you've been on USENET too long when you start quoting
yourself, but nonetheless....
It seems that Tom wised up and took his Toronto picture offline -
unfortunately he forgot about the one of him in Hawaii this past summer
which can be found at http://www.ledamay.com/ha97/hawaii97.htm
Just in case this one "disappears" I'm porting it over to my own webspace
for a while at
http://www.slip.net/~astro/tom for a limited viewing (cause he's such a cute
guy!),
Wouldn't it be nice to see who you are really dealing with - especially
since Tom was so nice to provide the pictures?
Diane (Sometimes I *Wanna* Be A Bitch ) Arons
Diane
Rosalind Hengeveld wrote in message <6274dl$9i1$1...@news2.xs4all.nl>...
>"Leda" <Le...@ledamay.com*> in
><01bcda87$66baf5a0$1174...@brookhaven.erinet.com> (which I canceled as
>'binary posted to non-binary newsgroup'):
>
>> I've been on hormones and Provera 18months now and using my BOY name in
>> here is LOW as you can fucking get to a TS..
>
>That much is true.
>
>--
>Rosalind Hengeveld
Ahhh Rosalind - Normally a voice of sanity and calm - but here I must point
out that Mr. Milam uses his real name on his web Page
(http://www.ledamay.com/images/business.gif) along with his business card
and pnone number. Also recall that Tom is constantly pointing us to those
self same web pages where his real name is prominently displayed. Tom also
uses his real name to register his www page which he points us all to
constantly. In many of Tom's posts he has suggested using Internic to look
up the information on porn merchants - so I did! It may be a little hard to
get to the link with the business card since the web pages are done so
poorely (must have used the "Schizo" theme in Front Page) but email me if
you can't find it and I'll point you in the right direction (or I could
email you the page if you like).
Also on that page, under the link marked Toronto is a picture of Tommy and
he's a pretty handsome guy - what with that mustache and all - you should
check it out (by the way the page claims the picture was taken in the summer
of '97). Now I just had a thought Rosalind, you and I are both post-op so
we kind of know the score around here. How many TS's can you think of,
pre-op or otherwise, who would prominently display their "before" photos on
the world wide web. You know, I can't think of a one myself. How about
you?
P.S. Maybe he's right. Maybe I *am* a bitch - but if so I worked pretty
hard to get here - same isn't apparantly true for him.
Diane
>Not my cup of tea, I never show pictures from Before The War to anyone
>and I never mention my former name. Some TSes, however, do show
>pictures of their former self; some even have them on their website.
I'll take your word on this although I haven't come across any as yet. I suppose my point is that one shouldn't have it both
ways: You shouldn't preach against one form of pornography while actively promoting another and you can't expect people to take you
seriously as a "woman" if you are going to advertise your maleness to all the world at the same time (re: the pictures and the
business card on the web site).
Also, in this case, those pictures weren't "Before The War" but rather as Tom appeared this past summer in Hawaii.
Sorry but I guess believe in being a woman the old fashioned way - you have to earn it.
<silly reference to a well known old american TV commercial, Ros>
Rosalind Hengeveld
"Diane" <as...@slip.net> in <628eas$kra$1...@owl.slip.net>:
> [...] How many TS's can you think of,
> pre-op or otherwise, who would prominently display their "before" photos on
> the world wide web. You know, I can't think of a one myself. How about
> you?
Not my cup of tea, I never show pictures from Before The War to anyone
and I never mention my former name. Some TSes, however, do show
pictures of their former self; some even have them on their website.
--
Rosalind Hengeveld
Rosalind Hengeveld
Dawn_NCTG
Lots of "stone-casting" here lately! Must be a lot of guilt out
there.
dawn
Visit Dawn's Bungalow at http://www.geocities.com/westhollywood/3961
Ledamay
Why am I bothering with you.. Like I said.. Hawaii was in 96 and Last Feb
of 97 I have been on hormones and depo-provera for 18 months. Now go away..
Wanna be! and my NAME IS LEDA you C**T.. Sorry all but she's a reall bitch!
here are some PiCs in this DIR for everyone to see that she is a trouble
maker and lying... Blow them up yourself.. I'll be making some more Hi-Res
PiCs soon and she can cram it.. Wanna be.. :)~ Jealous wanna be!!! (Smile)
http://www.ledamay.com/recent
I'll put them in there somewhere.. Poke around.. Oh! btw.. Fuck you Dianne
Donald whoever you are...
Leda
Ledamay
If you recall.. I have only been out for about 7 months now and the trip
trips were long ago.. before that. I am not ashamed of who I was or who I
am now.
By replying to this I am stooping to your level and feel like a stupid
bitch for even taking you wanna be attitude seriously.. So BLOW DIANNE!
Diane <as...@slip.net> wrote in article <628gfq$la0$1...@owl.slip.net>...
>
> Diane wrote in message <628eas$kra$1...@owl.slip.net>...
>
> >Also on that page, under the link marked Toronto is a picture of Tommy
and
> >he's a pretty handsome guy - what with that mustache and all - you
should
> >check it out
>
www.ledamay.com/start.htm
Thank you for at least calling me she and using Leda.
To delete anything from my page is in the wrong direction. I never remove
or delete but, add to it and make my page as large as I can. I want
everyone to see the change I have went through. I am proud of where I am
and glad to be here. So we are different in the fact of not wanting to let
anyone see US before the war. Even when I was a boy my girlfriends always
made me up and they knew about my feelings. Now.. That I HAVE transitioned
we are closer than we were before. Speaking of only two that I was really
close with in the past, that is...
Things about me have changed in many ways from taking hormones.. Softer
skin, Breast, Some hips, and the all to familiar Mood swings which I have
demonstrated so elegantly in here with some of my previous MSG's. I was
riled when accused of doing what was suggested and being called by my boy
name. Maybe I can blame my ignorant outburst on hormones.. Maybe not... I
should have.. Sat.. thought it out... and replied with nothing more than..
No, that is not true! Or something or the sort..
I was not even given a chance or any advice from anyone in here. Rather
slammed, insulted, and killfiled (whatever that is and it doesn't sound
good), this would upset any of you. Is that not true?
Leda..
Julie Haugh <j...@tab.com> wrote in article <3447708E...@tab.com>...
> This is more of Leda's misdirection. She already uses her male
> name on her home pages.
> --
> Julianne Frances Haugh I wanted to buy a vowel
> mailto:j...@tab.com but I barely had enough money
> http://www.tab.com/~jfh for a clue.
>
Diane
www.ledamay.com/start.htm wrote in message
<01bcdcc2$d943da00$1174...@brookhaven.erinet.com>...
>. And it seems the News Group
>Gate keepers are ready to pounce at any thing they can.. It would be much
>better focused on those that deserve it. Girlfriends should stick
together.
>Some guidance would be helpful instead of this bashing...
>Leda..
Well... I agree Leda. I took the pictures off of my web page and emailed
you a more detailed response. I think what happened was more of a lack of
understanding of what goes on in newsgroups like this one rather then any
malice on your part. I guess I got your attention :) .
At any rate I apologize and am sorry for any pain I caused you and I
believe the reverse is true as well. Why don't we just start over now?
Diane
Laura Blake
In soc.support.transgendered, j...@austin.ibm.com (Julie Haugh) said:
>This newsgroup has no time or place for wannabes. Transsexualism (which
>is what you'd be if you were on 'mones) is rather serious business for
>those of us who've decided to alter our lives in this dramatic a fashion.
I'm sure that all the crossdressers, transvestites, pre-transition
transsexuals and transgenderists out there are just so relieved to hear
this, Juile. What a tremendous relief to know that we are not really wanted
on a group titled soc.support.TRANSGENDERED.
This is the right place for people to find out if their feelings are real,
to discover if they are a transsexual, transgenderist, bigenderist or
transvestite. This is the right place to explore the diversity of this
community... it is NOT a transsexual-only group, and your repeated
insistance that it is insults all non-transsexuals in this community to the
quick.
Julie... you have tried to dominate everything that comes near you for a
very long time... give it up, already!
-----
Laura Blake
-----
Diane
Julie Haugh wrote in message <62g1bd$18am$1...@ausnews.austin.ibm.com>...
>I think the problem is that we know that if you are telling the truth
>about being on 'mones for 18 months that you wouldn't look as you do
>in the photos Diane has so kindly located.
FYI : I have removed all such photos from my webspace i return for Leda'a
assurance that she would be a kinder gentler presence on this newsgroup.
Everyone has their own time and space in going about this thing. My only
concern was the possibility of someone using the newsgroup for an economic
advantage which leda assures me that wasn't the intent and I believe her.
Diane
Julie Haugh wrote in message <62gbg0$22m6$1...@ausnews.austin.ibm.com>...
>In article <62g8ul$i7$1...@owl.slip.net>
>My concern is that "Leda" is going to start handing out sage advice
>much the same way that our other transsexual wannabe "Judith" has
Didn't you just go full time some short while ago?
I recall lot's of advice from you prior to that time.
transgendered != transexual
RosePress
In article <344b9d67...@news.ican.net>, lbl...@ican.net (Laura
Blake) writes:
>I'm sure that all the crossdressers, transvestites, pre-transition
>transsexuals and transgenderists out there are just so relieved to hear
>this, Juile. What a tremendous relief to know that we are not really wanted
>on a group titled soc.support.TRANSGENDERED.
>
>This is the right place for people to find out if their feelings are real,
>to discover if they are a transsexual, transgenderist, bigenderist or
>transvestite. This is the right place to explore the diversity of this
>community... it is NOT a transsexual-only group, and your repeated
>insistance that it is insults all non-transsexuals in this community to the
>quick.
Laura, you are right: soc.support.transgendered is a place for supporting
the transgendered. ALL the transgendered.
And alt.support.srs is a place for supporting those thinking of SRS.
Frankly, hon, if the stuff you say there is "support" -- as you claim it is
-- then what Julie just said was the warmest of welcomes.
I wish it were easier to be nice to you, but you make that difficult.
(Just look at what you say when/if you reply to this!) I wish you were
easier to ignore, but when you are the source of a third of the messages
and two-thirds of the dissension in a group, this also is nigh-impossible.
Failing that, I wish you would go away from places which are quite clearly
designated for SRS-track people (which you are not) and cleave unto places
which welcome all the transgendered? Here in soc.support.transgendered, I
will gladly debate you, and support your presence.
Lord, lord, I have been reading your internalized-transphobia rant since
years ago on Feminet! I don't like somebody telling me (brooking no
argument) what my innermost feelings and motives are supposed to be. Don't
like it from a therapist -- don't like it from you. Didn't like it from my
parents, nor the Religious Right, nor my sister-in-law. It's so strange --
all these people know my innermost self, and yet they hardly agree on a thing!
Rorschach had it right: look at a formless blot, and see yourself.
I like to think I've examined my own soul, and know it reasonably well.
You, I think, have examined your soul and feel you know IT. Laura, if your
soul and mine were identical, we would hardly have as long a record of
disagreement as we do. And if our souls are not alike, our paths need not
be so. Our strengths need not be the same, nor our weaknesses.
But if we're going to debate it, let us do so in the proper forum, one
appropriate to the both of us: soc.support.transgendered.
Ellen Rose
If Cthulhu calls, don't answer.
(Another reason for Caller ID!)
Diane
Julie Haugh wrote in message <62h5o1$r1c$1...@ausnews.austin.ibm.com>...
>Since you have decided to join in on the ...
Ever considered Decaff?
Gentle Touch
Julie Haugh wrote:
> I think the problem is that we know that if you are telling the truth
> about being on 'mones for 18 months that you wouldn't look as you do
> in the photos Diane has so kindly located.
>
> This newsgroup has no time or place for wannabes. Transsexualism (which
> is what you'd be if you were on 'mones) is rather serious business for
> those of us who've decided to alter our lives in this dramatic a fashion.
> --
> Julianne Frances Haugh
I'd like to put my two cents in about this:
"All things have their season, and in their times all things pass under
heaven.
"A time to be born and a time to die.
"A time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted.
"A time to kill, and a time to heal.
"A time to destroy, and a time to build.
"A time to weep, and a time to laugh.
"A time to mourn, and a time to dance.
"A time to scatter stones, and a time to gather.
"A time to embrace, and a time to be far from embraces.
"A time to get, and a time to lose.
"A time to keep, and a time to cast away.
"A time to rend, and a time to sew.
"A time to keep silent, and a time to speak.
"A time to love, and a time of hatred.
"A time of war, and a time of peace.
"What hath [woman] more of [her] labor?"
Bright blessings,
Gentle Touch
Diane
>I've tried soaking you out, I've tried scrubbing you out...
"I'm gonna wash that man right outta my hair..."
<showing my age as well as my disdain>
<g>
Diane
Julie Haugh wrote in message <344C6891...@tab.com>...
>Diane wrote:
>There are JUST ENOUGH people in this group who believe what she writes
that letting her go
>unchallenged is dangerous.
I know this won't work but....
1. It's the height of hubris to assume that others can't see crap as well
as you
2. she's just 1 voice - anyone involved with transgender issues hears many
other voices (no pun in tended s.m.) - hers is rapidly shown to be a
minority.
3. <reasonable assumption> The reason you're on this tirade/crusade is
because you have little else going on in your life and you're identifying
almost completely with this group so you're overemphasizing your importance
to the people who listen in. I know. Been there. Done That. Got Over
It. Go see a movie. Join a club. Get laid. Everyone would get along just
fine without either thee or me.
4. You have blinded yourself to the truth that, save for a very few with
the same problem, you're making as big a pain of yourself as is Laura. In
fact you're one of the prime reasons Laura sticks around - you're her
biggest fan. Most of the rest of us reasonably ignore her. Get with the
program.
Diane
Julie Haugh wrote in message <62j02k$rbo$1...@ausnews.austin.ibm.com>...
>But people =have= believed her.
So what? People also buy Chia Pets, The Psychic Hotline and Yugos (well at
least they did). People make bad decisions every day. It's not my job in
life to stop them. Neither is it yours. Say your idea once or twice and
leave people alone to make their choices.
>I got a letter in the mail from another woman I know on Yet Another
Newsgroup saying that the "official >rumour" was that I hadn't transitioned
at all yet.
Same comment. So What? Handle it privately and leave us all out of it.
If someone chooses to form an opinion of you based on they heard on a
newsgroup then they are an idiot. Only a fool would really care what such
a person thinks of them.
>No, it isn't that I have little else going on -- I've been increasingly
>busy in a number of activities. I'm mostly just concerned with the
>factual (or non-factual, in this case) information that Laura is trying
>to "spread".
Yes - I also have a factual "hot button". Once I started realizing that
there's simply one born every minute and there's little I can or should do
about it then my need to correct the world's wrongs (spell that twits)
decreased.
> I don't think it benefits the
>newsgroups for me to keep wasting my time and everyone elses nerves on
her.
Yup.
Gentle Touch
29, right? I remember a friend of mine telling me a story about going
into a music shop, and two teens talking about a CD they were holding up.
One asked the other... "The Beatles? Who were they?" "That's Paul
McCartney's old group." :)
Sheesh!
Bright Blessings,
Gentle Touch
Diane
Leda wrote in message <01bcdec9$1e7f8e40$1174...@brookhaven.erinet.com>...
>Bottom line.. Everyone Lighten up!!! You're all are to quick to judge and
>that is nothing more than another form of predjudice. Not all are what you
>think they should be during transition ... I am proud of how I
>look now. And NOT ashamed of what I looked like before.
>HuGs, Leda (Damn it)
Sanest thing I've heard on here in quite a while.
Leda
Reading what has been going on here has shown me that the News Group is
Incorrectly named. "Support" does not belong in it's name!
I may have made a few mistakes but, I am human like anyone else. I have
spoke on the phone with a couple from here that have been following this
"discussion" as lurkers and they have been most helpful.. One good point
they made was, "Not to come here for support". Not every ONE TS lives by
anothers rules of what a TS should be. So They think their way is right...
Maybe for them it is...
I happen to like who I was before and in liking myself before, I know the
change was for the right reasons. To be unhappy and change is for the wrong
reason. How will you know that you will be happy after the change?
Everyone keeps pointing out my pictures from Hawaii. Those were from last
winter.. NOT last summer. Check the dates... It was 85 there when it was 20
below here. I was sure to call Mom from Wakiki and let her know I was
sunbathing, as I did in 1996 too.. Sorry all.. Had to rub that in a
little.. (smile)
I have over 600 pics all showing me as I changed. Starting from Boymode
around last January BEFORE the Hawaii 97 Trip. My intensions where to let
other TS know that your physical appearance does not mean Crap! It's what
you feel inside that is important. My appearance was not how I felt is why
"I" changed. So for me to go on about what you THINK... Is stooping to
your level. Obviously, support is not a part of this group other than an
occasional SRS or Premerin question being answered by it's loyal and RULE
Book setting, TS, TG, Tupperware, Old Die Hard women, "This is the way it
has got to be Regulars". Nothing goes on here even close to support. More
like.. Insults and I know I am right and you're wrong arguments.
Anyway... I would like to SINCERELY say that "I am sorry" for posting
anything I should not have in any News Group. The phone calls I have had
from 2 wonderfully supportive people that know what they are doing in here
have given me a few pointers and that won't happen again.
Below is a previous letter I emailed to some that were really going off at
me about how a TS should be. I recieved one response from Diane (spelled
right <g>) that was really nice. Her and I have reached an understanding I
believe. Which I feel good about.
Bottom line.. Everyone Lighten up!!! You're all are to quick to judge and
that is nothing more than another form of predjudice. Not all are what you
think they should be during transition and when I get my new Camera.. My
PiCs are going to be a HELL of a lot more Naughty. I am proud of how I
look now. And NOT ashamed of what I looked like before.
HuGs, Leda (Damn it)
To whom it may concern…
I am not posting anything anymore in the News groups against Kiddie Porn
etc... Obviously it is
useless to try and attack all the Pedophiles and sick individuals that
there seems to be with people attacking me for doing it. Like I said, "The
last thing on my mind was to remove my URL before I posted against it".
You all were right about exploiting anyone else on my page and with this
new insight, I have deleted any and all other PiCs I may have had on my
page. "It was wrong and you were right"
For any one TS to call another by their Boy name is very very nerving. I
have known about myself since I was around 4 or 5 years old and have always
dressed even since then, whenever I could. I only recently in the past 7
months went full-time.. Got a Perm in my hair, gave all my boy clothes
away, and feel much better In doing so. I ask.. Do NOT call me TOM anymore…
My parents do not, nobody does…
As far as me selling my pics on my page, that is my decision. I am proud of
my body and like to show off some. I am not ashamed of who I was before
either. I thought I was a cute guy but, I like my true self much more.
Diane, I did delete the Toronto PiC because I hate the picture.. I saw your
post after I had deleted it and I will put it back if you want me to.
Anyway.. This all has me upset and for no reason other than you all think I
was trying to promote my page on postings against Rape etc.. THAT IS NOT
TRUE.. I repeat.. That is not true…
Now I know Diane is going to do nothing more than read this and look for
loop holes and ways to insult me again.. Maybe she can blow this email up
800% and see if I pasted tits on it as she thinks I had done with my pics.
There are too many to try and edit all of them. I did give myself D-Cups in
a couple but, it is quite obvious they are edited. I put a couple in
http://www.ledamay.com/recent/ directory on my site for her to critique all
she wants. Soon I will have a Hi-Res Digital camera instead of this Cheep
quality Connectix Cam and she can Cram that into her Viewer.
I've had hell coming out in Dayton, Ohio and now I never get read anymore
and people never notice who I might have been. I get whistles and cat calls
which I like and have always wanted to be able to get. Point being.. I am
and always have been a girl at heart.
So… have a look at start.htm and see if this is maybe ok with you all..
You're all a tough bunch.. This is for sure! But I don't want to fight
anymore.. It is not good for the soul and should NOT happen most of all
between another girlfriend. We all need support. No matter what you may
think. TS life can be a rough one to undergo..
Sincerely, Leda (damn it)
Email- Le...@ledamay.com*
Julie Haugh <j...@austin.ibm.com> wrote in article
<62gbg0$22m6$1...@ausnews.austin.ibm.com>...
> In article <62g8ul$i7$1...@owl.slip.net>, Diane <as...@slip.net> wrote:
> >Julie Haugh wrote in message <62g1bd$18am$1...@ausnews.austin.ibm.com>...
> >>I think the problem is that we know that if you are telling the truth
> >>about being on 'mones for 18 months that you wouldn't look as you do
> >>in the photos Diane has so kindly located.
> >
> >FYI : I have removed all such photos from my webspace i return for
Leda'a
> >assurance that she would be a kinder gentler presence on this newsgroup.
> >
> >Everyone has their own time and space in going about this thing. My
only
> >concern was the possibility of someone using the newsgroup for an
economic
> >advantage which leda assures me that wasn't the intent and I believe
her.
>
> My concern is that "Leda" is going to start handing out sage advice
> much the same way that our other transsexual wannabe "Judith" has
> in the past.
>
> We don't need people coming into this group pretending to be things
> they aren't. If Leda is =really= a transsexual she is going to have
> to do a lot to reform her reputation. Getting away from profanity,
> spam and porn would go a long way.
> --
> Julianne Frances Haugh
> RS/6000 Security Development, C2 Tech Lead "Resistance is futile!
> Bldg 905/2F002, 512-823-8817 (Tie 793) You will be
evaluated!"
> I-net: j...@austin.ibm.com -- C2 of Borg
>
Leda
(smile)
Thank You "Diane" <--Spelled Correctly!
Sorry I misjudged you Diane :(
You were right... I hate when that happens!
Leda (Damn it)
Diane <as...@slip.net> wrote in article <62kh7k$ad4$1...@owl.slip.net>...
> Leda wrote in message
<01bcdec9$1e7f8e40$1174...@brookhaven.erinet.com>...
>
> >Bottom line.. Everyone Lighten up!!! You're all are to quick to judge
and
> >that is nothing more than another form of predjudice. Not all are what
you
> >think they should be during transition ... I am proud of how I
> >look now. And NOT ashamed of what I looked like before.
> >HuGs, Leda (Damn it)
>
>
Dawn_TG
Well said, Leda! You can make all the physical changes possible to
alter your appearance. But, inside, you are what you were and are
what you are. I happen to love the person inside me. It's not a man
fighting to get out or a woman fighting to stay in. It's just me.
Male side, fem side, happy side, sad side ...just me. The trick is
what I choose to do with me. Nice people are nice people. Bitches
are bitches. This is one of the few times that I disagree with the PR
adage that appearance and/or appearance are everything. I do agree
with the marketing idea that location is everything. Because as long
as your heart is in the "right place" you will eventually be fine.
Dawn
Visit DJ's B&D web site at http://www.geocities.com/westhollywood/Village/1852
Kristi Dunn
Leda wrote:
> Reading what has been going on here has shown me that the News Group is
> Incorrectly named. "Support" does not belong in it's name!
>
As a lurker waiting to *hopefully* respond to something said soon, all I can
say is neither mind!
> I may have made a few mistakes but, I am human like anyone else. I have
> spoke on the phone with a couple from here that have been following this
> "discussion" as lurkers and they have been most helpful.. One good point
> they made was, "Not to come here for support". Not every ONE TS lives by
> anothers rules of what a TS should be. So They think their way is right...
> Maybe for them it is...
All I can ask myself is that everything we all go through, regardless of are
transition stage, we dont need to fight each other, but support each other
instead.
Leda
Decaff is like Non-Alcoholic beer.. It must be for those that just like to
pee a lot (Attempt at Humor).
Anyway.. Don't worry Diane, I will try to keep my "sage advice" to myself..
Seeing how you're the all around expert here with her finger on the Kill
switch for those that even voice an opinion that differs from yours.
I would think anyone that has endured life during transition each has
individual experiences and points of view that should be heard. "An open
mind *IS* a sign of intelligence", Ya know? Maybe this would be a good time
to open your mind up to others and their point of views about what they
experienced during their LIFETIME of experiences. That is the best teacher.
Wouldn't you agree? I Know it is hard to teach an old dog new tricks (poor
analogy) but, we are all human here and each of us have feelings that ARE
real. Try compassion and consideration rather than Hatred...
PS I'll stick with my Kona Coffee
HuGs, Leda (Damn it)
Diane <as...@slip.net> wrote in article <62ha4o$8of$1...@owl.slip.net>...
sheri
Unfortunately in soceity there is lots of support for transsxuals (or
gay people coming out or whatever..) but little support for their
families. so I thought I'd share with you a sensible contact address run
by a parent who has gone through the stresses of seeing their child
change.
This address then is for other parents and families of transsexual kids
contact:
ALEXANDER SMITH
PO BOX 1240
MELBOURNE
AUSTRALIA
Parents from wherever can write to this person, and she will reply by
mail in return. I think this is a good service.... so if any of you ts
are coming out, and your families are experiencing this new situation...
then give them this address for some sensible and caring support....
dani richard
The debate of who and who is not a "true transsexual" is growing
tiresom.
I remember a quote from Dallas Denny.
"I you are not a transsexual before sugery,
you definitly will be one afterwards."
That chilling insight has made me put a lot of thinking, exploration of
my feelings and therapy into determining if I was a "true" transsexual
or not. I put every step of transition under a microscope to see if it
would give me some dignosis of "true transsexual", "cross dresser" or
something else. Even then I would get a second option.
I have SRS scheduled.
Am I a "true" transsexual? Well if I am not now, I will be after sugery.
Just be very careful for what you ask for.
Dani Richard
dani richard
Laura Blake wrote:
<snip>
> >Am I a "true" transsexual? Well if I am not now, I will be after sugery.
>
> Honey... no matter how many times I get this Dallas Denny quote tossed in my
> face (and it happens a lot these days), I just can't absorbe it. It comes
> from a place of false hope, and gives enormous power to 3rd party sources.
> Many take it to mean that "this is the final step to becoming a REAL woman".
> But, SRS will not change your life, only your crotch... it won't make you a
> "true" transsexual any more than eating Cheerios would. If you are not a
> woman before the surgery, you will not become one because of it. Dallas'
> little quip was as much a warning as an encouragement. Believe me, SRS can
> just as easily be a trap as an emancipation... Entered into without due
> consideration, and a thorough knowledge of the social and legal
> rammifications, it could quickly become the one mistake in life you can never
> undo. SRS forever locks you into the legal and social status of
> "Transsexual", society will always view as one, whether you want them to or
> not. Once cut, the escape hatch is forever slammed shut.
I have been living and working "as a woman" for over 19 months. I still
have 10 months to my sugery date. My wife and I have a circle of friends
in which I am "a woman" and treated as such. My live is anchored in
"living as a woman"; a state I enjoy and feel very comfortable.
I don't expect SRS to change anything but my crotch. In fact that is my
hope! The other changes should be complete.
What I have found out along the way is that the other changes: therapy,
eletrolysis, hormones, working as a woman and living full time where
each in their own way "irreversable". Each made a significant commitment
to changing my life in some way. Many of those changes can not ever be
undone. I have lived life "as a woman" long enought that if I wanted to
"go back to being a man" it would be more difficult that it was to
"becoming a woman." Because of my job and my social network, it might be
impossiable.
I firmly believe that the first immutiable step for me was when I laid
down on the eletrology table. It turned out that signled (unknow to me
at the time) to one of my co-workers that I was a "transsexual". That
indivigual ran (once again unknown to me at the time) ran to my boss.
That forever changed my position in the work place. It forever changed
my relationship with my body. It changed my relationship with my wife.
Dallas' quote is to make people think real hard about why they are in
pain what will cure their pain. I have seen many blame all their emotion
pain and problems on "being a transsexual." You and I both know that
surgery does not "cure" anything. Beliving that SRS will "make you a
woman" or that "everything will be rosy afterwards" is myth and a recipe
for personal disaster. Dallas' quote is a sound bit to get people's
attention. In short Dallas say that SRS will cause you more problems if
you think it will cure your problems.
>
> Unless you can see and understand how the world views you before you have the
> surgery, and unless you know legally, socially, medically and emotionally
> exactly what you are getting yourself into, I can almost guarantee you it will
> be a steel jawed trap of the very worst kind.
I have already been hit with those issues. I have watched with close
inpection those that have gone before me. In truth, we don't really know
what happens when we do something until it is done. Everyone makes all
their decisions from incomplete information and partial ignorance. Yet
we do make decisions and we always live with the consequences.
Yet, I go forward with this knowing that the loss of not doing this is
potentially very great. I know beyone a shadow of doubt, if I had not
taken these changes in myself, I would be unemployed, unemployable and
very very depressed or dead. I make all the previous changes because I
belived that I would lose all if I did nothing. For at the time I was
losing my abilities to work and live. I regain my life by
transistioning.
I look forward to SRS to provide a private comfort in my sense of self
that I lack now. I won't know if achieve my goal. I have seen others
achieve that "comfort" and belive it is there for me.
We never know what price we may pay for what we do until the bill comes
due.
>
> >Just be very careful for what you ask for.
>
> Indeed.
>
> -----
> Laura Blake
>
> -----
Dani Richard
Denise Fell
Dani,
Very nicely put. I was one asked what I felt like the day after SRS. I
can only say it was a feeling of total contintment. I never felt so at
peace as that day, all was right in the world. My only regret is that I
wasted so many years living a lie.
Denise Anne
Dhanu River
syz...@no.spam (Kris) wrote:
>In article <19971102025...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, varia...@aol.com
>says...
>
>[ much cut for brevity's sake }
>
>
>>Gee, I know how people with bipolar disorder feel now: I'm simultaneously
>> happy-happy-happy AND suicidal.
>
>I feel less alone when I read posts like this that echo many of my own
>feelings. Living a TG lifestyle, being "male" sometimes and "female" other
>times (according to the -law-, I am still a married woman, but don't look like
>one), relationship intricacies, etcetc - no matter how good other things are
>going, this is always like carrying a weight around.
>
>I can oly hope that, like other weight-training, it will make me stronger.
>But sometimes I just get exhausted. I already take an antidepressant.
>
>And there is nobody to talk to about it. Support groups make me feel worse
>because I'm not surgery-tracked, and I'm an introvert who is extremely
>uncomfortable in an unstructured group. The few things I have going for me
>(creative ability and analytical ability) are nothing in a support group
>because social ability seems to be paramount there.
>
>Sometimes it just bites to be so -alien-. I'm thinking of trying to get a job
>at a nursery (university education and beyond be damned) because I am not an
>alien to plants. I also work very well with birds. Being around people is
>like walking on razorblades - no matter how carefully you tread, you get cut,
>it's only that the cuts are less deep if you're super-cautious.
>
>- Kris
>
Kris
Send me a letter email.
I feel like there is common ground for me, and would like to talk,
but don't particularly want to do so in public.
ta,
Dhanu
You can send a response, this is not a munged address