My world turned upside down and ended
CybreGrrl
Well, it finally happened last night. I got home yesterday from work and
found that my wife had left me. We had been married for 7 months and she
knew about my Tism before we got married.
My world ended at that point and I proceeded to finish it all off. After
hiding since the age of 5, I called my parents and told them everything.
I was quite hysterical for awhile and almost killed someone who had come
over to see if I was ok. He'll never try to enter another apartment when
no one answers again. :) He doesn't know about my transgender nature
and I just told him that she had left and left it at that.
My parents started their long journey to come and see me and it allowed
them time to think about what I had told them and it gave me time to
prepare. I spent a good couple of hours downloading and printing off all
kinds of material.
By the time that they arrived it was too late to start any discussions
and that was fine for me because I was still in tears at that point.
I left the ton of papers on the table and told them that they should read
it all before we discussed anything.
The next morning I hid in my room for as long as I could, hoping that
they had read the papers (they had). The resources had been a big help
and they kind of understood what I was going through. They asked me if I
wanted to go to therapy for some help. At this time I got real
defensive, but they wanted me to go to help my self esteem and to help me
find direction in my life. Ooops on my part. :)
They seem ok with the news and I still have to tell my friends and family
(no, not the MCI thing <G>). I already know who will fall where when I
tell them. My closest friends won;t care much. We had a friend come out
of the closet a few years back and we all reacted with.....so you're gay,
is that all? :) I expect to have a few not speak to me again (religious
reasons and all that) and I am prepared for that. I guess I could do
without them anyways.
So now I have to see if there is anything to salvage out of my marriage.
It doesn't seem like it and I guess I'll be ok with that after a few
hundred years. :)
One question I couldn't answer is what direction this is going to take
me. SRS in particular. To be honest, i don't know where I'm going now.
My life is going to start over and hopefully get a lot better from here.
A lot of stress is now gone from my life and I've already lost two
pounds. :)
I don;t know how my family will ultimately react as they have only seen
my femme side once, during the national T-holiday of halloween and I
wasn't very good back then. They are mad at me for not telling them
sooner about this, about my attempted suicides in the past and they were
quite shocked that I have hidden it from them from such an early age.
I want to thank everyone for being here. I mostly lurk around but it was
your openess, your homepages, your collection of resources and your
kindness that have helped me stay somewhat sane. :)
I thought that I would die last night but the day is getting brighter and
I won't cry forever, but I will for now, it feels too good to stop.
Walk in peace.
"Someone take these dreams away; that pull me to another day
Peculiar personalities, the stretch of true realities
They keep calling me, they keep calling me
Keep on calling me, they keep calling me"
====Nine Inch Nails, Dead Souls
"When i'm lonely, I lie awake at night
And I wish that you were here, I miss you
Can you tell me, is there something more to belive in
Or is this all there is?
And the pounding feet in the streets below
And a window breaks
And a woman falls
There's something wrong, it's hard to believe that love will prevail
It won't rain all the time
The sky won't fall forever
And though the night seems long
Your tears won;t fall, your tears won't fall, your tears won't fall
Forever."
====Jane Siberry, It Can't Rain All the Time
RaquelLR
There is nothing I can do to ease your pain, nor will I try. Just know
that I am here pulling for you.
Raquel Rice
http://members.aol.com/qwea1/
Sunny Sears
>Well, it finally happened last night.
WOW! You have been through a lot. Try to take it one day at a
time......your family will not abandon you, from what you wrote. I would
be out on my ass....
I hope you can keep your head on str8 (pardon the pun) and keep on keepin on.
Sunny
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CybreGrrl
S. Henry wrote:
> Before I start, a hint: _every_ wife leaves or threatens to leave after
> seven months. They teach this in "Girl 101". Remember it. If you do
> transition, decide you prefer men, and get married: after seven
> months--leave. When he comes after you, THAT'S the first step of
> the male-domestication process. ...Oh, if you do NOT transition and
> stay a husband, forget everything I just said :-)
Thanks for the smile, it was needed. It's been rough.
> When I told my wife (after three years) her reply was:
> 1. "I'll become a man and stay with you" (3 minutes)
> 2. "I hate you, I hate you..." (3 days)
> 3. "I'll cure you" (3 months)
> 4. "I HATE YOU, I HATE YOU..." (4 months)
> 5. "I'll divorce you and tell everyone that you died." (6 months).
> 6. "If you transition I _may_ still be your friend" (1 year).
Sorry to hear that. Typical reactions I've had are, it doesn't matter, I
love you for what's inside; she left me for the Tism and for religious
reasons, the second girlfriend told me the same, but we grew apart as we
were both on the rebound, the third said that it wasn't that important
because I was such a wonderful person, I dumped her because she belittled
me all the time and told me to act like a man, we were engaged, then
there was my wife who thought that it would be fun to have a husband and
girlfriend rolled into one. After the marriage however, it was a lot
different and I tried to get her to understand what I was going through,
she left me for the Tism (she will only sees me as a girl and can't have
sexual relations with me, but I'd never dressed for her) and for
religious reasons. Religion has not been kind to me at all. Even all my
friends that do not know about me, but are religious treat me like an
outcast. It's like I have 666 on my forehead. :) Or maybe a sign on my
back that I can't see that says, "He's different, don't trust him!" :)
Ugh, can't we all just get along? :)
> Of course to get to #6 I had to get a seperation, give her 98%
> of my worldly possessions and spend about six months in therapy
> with her and talk to her long distance (NYC to LA) 10 hours a
> week for a year.
My wife refuses to go to any therapy. It's a closed chapter in her life
and she has her family telling her that I'm no good and a freak. Geesh,
all because I dress a little differently on my spare time and privately.
<s>
> So it doesn't take a "hundred years" to stablize the sitiuation,
> it just SEEMS like a hundred years :-(
It's over, nothing I can do now. I have to deal with the future and what
it will bring.
Thanks for the post, every little bit helps.
Walk in peace.
"Every night I burn, scream the animal scream
Every night I burn, dream the crow black dream
Every night I burn, scream the animal scream
Every night I burn, dream the crow black dream"
===The Cure, Burn
CybreGrrl
Sunny Sears wrote:
> WOW! You have been through a lot. Try to take it one day at a
> time......your family will not abandon you, from what you wrote.
>I would be out on my ass....
My family has yet had time to let it sink in. So far my parents, my
sister and an aunt knows. They're kind of numb at the moment. I was
your typical guy. I played soccer forever (no, not football, american
soccer for all who may have wondered <G>), used to be a body builder and
I am even a paintball veteran. Hey maybe we should all ban together for
our own team. Nah, probably be bad on the wigs and nails. <BG>
Anyways, to get back to all seriousness, really I have to...
I thought for sure that my parents would freak and it would be a very bad
experience. My mother told me that she would throw me out if I ever got
an earring. How'd you suppose she would have reacted if she saw me in
full drag? Actually that brings a smile, because I know how'd she look.
<G>
I've learned from this experience that a true family that loves you will
not care what you do, as long as you do it responsibly and maturely.
Friends who can't handle it and refuse to talk to you aren't friends at
all. If I had known way back in the seventh grade that my parents would
be ok with this, who knows what may have happened by now. Could have
saved me some grief overall.
> I hope you can keep your head on str8 (pardon the pun) and keep on
>keepin on.
Thanks, it helps a lot. Good luck with your situation as well. Who
knows what the future holds for all of us? If someone had told me a few
weeks ago that I would be coming out to my parents and probably close
friends I would have laughed, very hard (but nervous like at the same
time :> ).
Walk in peace.
"Sometimes it rains inside my head, til the words run dry...."
===Medicine, Time Baby III
S. Henry
On Jul 17, 1996 15:23:34 in article <My world turned upside down and
ended>, 'CybreGrrl <C...@nowhere.com>' wrote:
>Well, it finally happened last night. I got home yesterday from work and
>found that my wife had left me. We had been married for 7 months and she
>knew about my Tism before we got married.
: :
>So now I have to see if there is anything to salvage out of my marriage.
>It doesn't seem like it and I guess I'll be ok with that after a few
>hundred years. :)
Before I start, a hint: _every_ wife leaves or threatens to leave after
seven months. They teach this in "Girl 101". Remember it. If you do
transition, decide you prefer men, and get married: after seven
months--leave. When he comes after you, THAT'S the first step of
the male-domestication process. ...Oh, if you do NOT transition and
stay a husband, forget everything I just said :-)
When I told my wife (after three years) her reply was:
1. "I'll become a man and stay with you" (3 minutes)
2. "I hate you, I hate you..." (3 days)
3. "I'll cure you" (3 months)
4. "I HATE YOU, I HATE YOU..." (4 months)
5. "I'll divorce you and tell everyone that you died." (6 months).
6. "If you transition I _may_ still be your friend" (1 year).
Of course to get to #6 I had to get a seperation, give her 98%
of my worldly possessions and spend about six months in therapy
with her and talk to her long distance (NYC to LA) 10 hours a
week for a year.
So it doesn't take a "hundred years" to stablize the sitiuation,
it just SEEMS like a hundred years :-(
Sean
CybreGrrl
RaquelLR wrote:
>
> There is nothing I can do to ease your pain, nor will I try. Just know
> that I am here pulling for you.
Thank you, these posts help a lot. My depression is still quite severe
and I still have to try and decide where to go, physically. I cannot
afford to stay where I am and bankruptcy is a definate possibility as
well. There is a friend that I can move in with, but I couldn't tell him
about my T-ism (he's not that close and would probably react severely to
the news and I work with him) and right now I really need to explore that
side of myself. Then there's home....maybe. The job market there is nil
and it would take me months to land a job and then it'll only pay about
1/2 of what I make now.
Sorry to ramble. :)
Walk in peace.
"Every night I burn, scream the animal scream
Every night I burn, dream the crow black dream
Every night I burn, scream, the animal scream
Every night I burn, dream the crow black dream"
=====The Cure, Burn
Alexander
Hi,
CybreGrrl <C...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>Well, it finally happened last night. I got home yesterday from work and
>found that my wife had left me. We had been married for 7 months and she
>knew about my Tism before we got married.
how long were you together? Last year my SO left me after 14 years -
not directly because of any T* issues. It hurt, but I got over it. A
friend of mine, a songwriter from Vienna, Austria, told me: "I have
gone through many relationships and one thing is clear - what followed
was defenitely better every time!"
The worst thing might be that she left without a final discussion. If
you are lucky you can imagine in detail why she left. Otherwise there
may be open questions that will not go away for quite some time.
>A lot of stress is now gone from my life and I've already lost two
>pounds. :)
So something good might have started! On the other side: If you have
no more important things to do than step on the scales...
>One question I couldn't answer is what direction this is going to take
>me. SRS in particular. To be honest, i don't know where I'm going now.
> My life is going to start over and hopefully get a lot better from here.
A lot of pressure has gone. But there might be the danger that you
start floating in a direction you might regret later. Be extremely
cautious about things that might draw you over the gender line. There
are borders you can cross in one direction only. Now that you have
opened to some people quite close to you, you might get better support
than your obviously not-so-grown-up wife could ever provide for you.
>I don;t know how my family will ultimately react as they have only seen
>my femme side once, during the national T-holiday of halloween and I
>wasn't very good back then. They are mad at me for not telling them
>sooner about this, about my attempted suicides in the past and they were
>quite shocked that I have hidden it from them from such an early age.
Try to solve your problems WITH a few of them and do no longer exclude
them from your inner self. But give them time to gain some
understanding.
Quite a few things might be a bit different over here in Europe. But a
few things should be independent of cultural differences between our
societies: As long as you suppress your feelings, you cannot cope with
them.
May be that you will be some kind of woman within quite short notice.
Or you might be able to negotiate some kind of truce with the female
ghost in your head. But you shurely know by now that you cannot live
without some kind of discussion with her.
Alex
CybreGrrl
Liebe Alex!
Alexander wrote:
> how long were you together? Last year my SO left me after 14 years -
> not directly because of any T* issues. It hurt, but I got over it. A
> friend of mine, a songwriter from Vienna, Austria, told me: "I have
> gone through many relationships and one thing is clear - what followed
> was defenitely better every time!"
We weren't married for even a year, just seven months. The breakup was
due to T issues and her inability to cope with them. It came out from
her that her family, who live nearby, insisted that she leave before
sitting down and talking to me. Of course they are much older and don't
care much for the way things are in the world now.
I hope that it keeps getting better. Once I can confide in a few close
friends I should have all the help that I need to go and get some serious
help. Probably due the therapist and support group thing.
> The worst thing might be that she left without a final discussion. If
> you are lucky you can imagine in detail why she left. Otherwise there
> may be open questions that will not go away for quite some time.
We've had a few short discussions and I have her letter that she left for
me, all ten sentences that it was. She won't see me until after my
family leaves and all of you will know when that will be because I'll be
an emotional wreck again and probably post.
> >A lot of stress is now gone from my life and I've already lost two
> >pounds. :)
>> So something good might have started! On the other side: If you have
> no more important things to do than step on the scales...
My biological system is so out of whack and I'm trying to minimise any
long term damage due to the extra stress. That includes weight,
breathing, skin colour and condition, and swelling. But I'm really glad
that I took off two pounds. <BG>
My health has always been bad, maybe this new age is what I needed.
> A lot of pressure has gone. But there might be the danger that you
> start floating in a direction you might regret later. Be extremely
> cautious about things that might draw you over the gender line. There
> are borders you can cross in one direction only. Now that you have
> opened to some people quite close to you, you might get better support
> than your obviously not-so-grown-up wife could ever provide for you.
I'm taking it one day at a time. I haven't xdressed since this has
happened and probably won't for awhile. I need to step back and then
explore this new world that i have. At the moment I'm divided on whether
or not to go the SRS route. But that's what the shrinks and support
groups are for, to help me sort out what is going on up in my head.
Gee, maybe they need to do a different variation of Herman's Head on TV
now. :)
> Try to solve your problems WITH a few of them and do no longer exclude
> them from your inner self. But give them time to gain some
> understanding.
I figured that I'll probably attend some support meetings as my male self
and then if, I feel comfortable enough with myself, go to them dressed
which means that my family will see me that way and have to deal with it.
We've been talking and a lot of questions are being answered and the path
to understanding has been laid down. It's going to be a rough journey,
but the ones that are worth it are always the hardest.
> Quite a few things might be a bit different over here in Europe. But a
> few things should be independent of cultural differences between our
> societies: As long as you suppress your feelings, you cannot cope with
> them.
I tried to limit my exposure and keep my family in the dark. Since this
is contrary to what I was taught, it caused a lot of problems. Only one
GF supported my telling my parents, but I never followed through. After
the breakup she tried to out me but I was able to discredit her and keep
my secret.
> May be that you will be some kind of woman within quite short notice.
> Or you might be able to negotiate some kind of truce with the female
> ghost in your head. But you shurely know by now that you cannot live
> without some kind of discussion with her.
My duologue with her is just beginning and we have a long, long way to
go. But for now we are, finally, getting along.
Walk in peace.
"You can't run away forever
But there's nothing wrong with getting a good head start
You want to shut out the night
You want to shut down the sun
You want to shut away the pieces of a broken heart"
==Meatloaf
CybreGrrl
Jeanne Maxwell wrote:
> *ahem*, Maenad says quietly. Big virtual hug offered from > totalstranger,
> if you want it. That's hard.
Hug gladly accepted and returned. :)
Thanks. It has been very hard. Tomorrow will be my first real day
alone, until a friend comes to drag (nope, not going out dressed<G>) me
away.
> Sounds like they're good people, and sounds like you have everything
> pretty squared away, too. Not that your life isn't going to limp along
> for a while--she whom you loved left, and that takes a lot out of a
> person. But you sound stronger than you think. That's good.
I've always been the rational one in the family. :) However, my beliefs
are so radically different from my parents, that some options that I am
considering would horrify them and others. Besides that, it should be ok
from here on. I never thought that I could do what I did, now I have to
hold my breath and hope that telling some others goes just as well. I am
well armed with info, just not too much personal insight at this point.
> Currently that's what my partner and I are going through; one of our
> friends just is Not Handling Things. It's really hard on Ceilleigh, my
> partner, because this friend means a lot to us, but especially means a
>lot to Ceilleigh. To be totally rejected, as you know, hurts. This
>friend
> will still spend time with me, and his wife and I are still friends, as
> Ceilleigh and his wife are still friends. It's just not the good > four-way bond it once was, friendship-wise.
I'm sorry to hear that for all of you. At least there is still some
communication, that's a definate good sign. As long as someone will
listen, they may learn. As I've been told about 9 million times the last
few days, it doesn't matter, you're still the same inside. :) It's good
to hear that and know that they mean it.
I hope that all works well.
> Amazing how breasts get in the way, innit? :>
Don't know, maybe after therapy i might. :)
> Yep, stress and not eating, always worked for me...just remember, any
> weight loss during times of stress isn't fat loss, it's loss of muscle
I'm working out now (walking, sit ups mostly) and actually eating three
meals a day and very little snacking (just love Tastykakes and the KC
Masterpiece potato chips). Work has also overloaded me quite a bit and
that will help keep me trim as well take my minds of my troubles. :)
> Hey, you don't know me but I have a somewhat simple address toremember;
> you want a friendly listener, write. I'm sure you've gotten the same
> support from others.
Thanks and I have, it means a lot. Once I open up to a few more key
players in my life (all with Internet access), I'll probably start
posting my real address as well and hopefully be able to return the
favour and help others.
> Yep, you'll make it. Just give yourself time to heal, and by the
> way...love your taste in music. :>
My parents are amazed that my `wandering eye' has already kicked in. <G>
HeY, I figure why let a divorce get me down. This is going to be a big
turning point in my life, one or the other. Everybody is given an
oppurtunity to seize the golden ring, it's a very rare thing to be given
it twice. Believe me, I'm not passing by it this time.
You'd be amazed in my taste of music. :)
Walk in peace.
"The lunatic is on the grass, the lunatic is on the grass
Remembering games and daisy chains and laughs
Got to keep the loonies on the path
The lunatic is in the hall
The lunatics are in my hall
The paper holds their phony faces to the floor
And everyday the paperboy brings more
And if the dam breaks open many years too soon
And if there is no room or cry for help
...
I'll see you on the Dark Side of the Moon."
===Pink Floyd, Brain Damage
Alexander
Hi,
CybreGrrl <C...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>Liebe Alex!
:-)
>Alexander wrote:
>
>> how long were you together?
>We weren't married for even a year, just seven months.
You might not have married her out of the blue, your relationship
should should have lasted quite a bit longer...
>The breakup was
>due to T issues and her inability to cope with them. It came out from
>her that her family, who live nearby, insisted that she leave before
>sitting down and talking to me.
So she did not know where she belonged. Otherwise she would have
talked with you first. I cannot imagine that you are the stereotypical
macho husband she had to be afraid from.
>Of course they are much older and don't
>care much for the way things are in the world now.
Here we reach an field where I might have prejudices about the
American way of life: Is there a lot of pressure from the society to
remain within certain limits? E.g. political correctness is quite a
silly thing from my point of view.
As I have managed to live (not act) the male role, those problems are
a step further down the road for me. But my GF, who has been on HRT
for 15 months now and will have SRS at the end of the year, introduces
some of those problems through the back door. But we found a way for
my mother (70 years old) to cope with the concepts. O.K., she knows
about my GF's way and of a real close relationship between us, but not
the whole story. But step by step she learns more and more and was
able to gain quite some trust in my GF.
>We've had a few short discussions and I have her letter that she left for
>me, all ten sentences that it was.
Last year I tried to save the marriage of my now GF. We talked through
many nights. But it was too late: As we know now she had already
started a relationship with a post-op TS. But we reached a lot during
these discussions. A lot more than you can reach by a 10 sentence
letter.
>She won't see me until after my
>family leaves and all of you will know when that will be because I'll be
>an emotional wreck again and probably post.
I can understand her disgust. But if she still loves you in any way
she should see the presence of your parents as a chance. This leads to
the idea that she married you not because of your person but because
she wanted a husband, financial security or anything like that. If
this is true try to get rid of her as fast as possible.
>> So something good might have started! On the other side: If you have
>> no more important things to do than step on the scales...
>My biological system is so out of whack and I'm trying to minimise any
>long term damage due to the extra stress. That includes weight,
>breathing, skin colour and condition, and swelling. But I'm really glad
>that I took off two pounds. <BG>
May be that I cannot follow you here because of cultural differences.
E.g. sports is hardly more than a hobby or "the finest unimportant
thing" (soccer). You will not get any credits here at school because
you are good at sports or so.
>> Try to solve your problems WITH a few of them and do no longer exclude
>> them from your inner self. But give them time to gain some
>> understanding.
>I figured that I'll probably attend some support meetings as my male self
>and then if, I feel comfortable enough with myself, go to them dressed
Support groups are a great thing to find people and to learn about
many informations you will need. But a support group will not help you
with most of the things within yourself. For that you need very few
people, but you need them badly and the same people over and over
again for quite long talks. You need lots of trust in these people.
Many support groups even push you in a certain direkction, mostly RLT
- HRT - SRS. That is not necessarily your way, but you might not be
able to find it within a support group.
>which means that my family will see me that way and have to deal with it.
Why? Try to find what YOU want and need. Then follow that way and do
only take any turn if you find out that the way was wrong. But do not
speed too much. Give you surroundings time to cope with your changes.
You will desperately need every single person that can accept (not
necessarily understand) that you honestly must do what you do.
>We've been talking and a lot of questions are being answered and the path
>to understanding has been laid down. It's going to be a rough journey,
>but the ones that are worth it are always the hardest.
This sounds like they will try their best. But they cannot give you
more than that.
>> As long as you suppress your feelings, you cannot cope with
>> them.
>I tried to limit my exposure and keep my family in the dark. Since this
>is contrary to what I was taught, it caused a lot of problems.
Try to be open and honest. Forget those who cannot cope with that
concept. Keep in mind that I did NOT add "fair": Feelings are not
fair.
>"You can't run away forever
That's it.
Alex
Jeanne Maxwell
S. Henry (se...@nyc.pipeline.com) wrote:
CybreGrrl <C...@nowhere.com> wrote first:
: >Well, it finally happened last night. I got home yesterday from work and
: >found that my wife had left me. We had been married for 7 months and she
: >knew about my Tism before we got married.
: Before I start, a hint: _every_ wife leaves or threatens to leave after
: seven months. They teach this in "Girl 101". Remember it.
I...must have missed that course, I guess. Sean? Yes, I'll be honest
with you--actually, I'm honest with everyone--I got mad at my life mate
when Ceilleigh first decided the life's goal was actually to be my wife.
Yes, I Have Issues. That's part of the reason I started posting here in
the first place...But the only time I ever threatened to leave hir was
when sie didn't seem to be able to make up hir mind about who sie really
was. (And yes, we're going through the pronoun thing for a while, because
Cei's not really male in presentation for the most part but hasn't yet the
self confidence to live fully as a female in this world). And even then,
it wasn't 'threaten' as in words and bluster; it was 'threaten' as in,
talk to all my friends and make plans and places to go so that I wouldn't
be homeless, and THEN sit down and talk with hir about it. Eventually,
sie settled down and life went on. And now sie's in transition.
: When I told my wife (after three years) her reply was:
: 1. "I'll become a man and stay with you" (3 minutes)
: 2. "I hate you, I hate you..." (3 days)
: 3. "I'll cure you" (3 months)
: 4. "I HATE YOU, I HATE YOU..." (4 months)
: 5. "I'll divorce you and tell everyone that you died." (6 months).
: 6. "If you transition I _may_ still be your friend" (1 year).
Sean, I can understand why you're cynical. Hell, *I'd* be cynical with
those odds. I'm just saying that, though I'm far from typical as far as
women are concerned, there *are* women out in the world who aren't
castrating bitches. (Hmmm...this from a fat bearded bitchy woman with
serious Dom tendencies does not sound convincing. Well...I do mean it.
And it *is* possible for me *not* to be a bitch when I want to be.)
Don't ask me why I felt it necessary to post this, Sean and other
concerned readers...it just struck a nerve. :>
maenad
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Stop screaming, or I'll eat your other eye.
Death or compliance--now, that's not too much to ask for, is it?
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Jeanne Maxwell
CybreGrrl (C...@nowhere.com) wrote:
: Well, it finally happened last night. [ ... ]
Actually, it's not what you wrote that I'm concerned with--it's what I'm
_trying_ to write. Everything I send to you bounces, hon. Why is this
happening? I've tried both your address as given in the
repl...@nowhere.com--and the reference
address--31...@nowhere.com--and both have bounced.
I may try importing the message already sent into this thread, but that's
difficult for my software. :>
Just thought I'd let you know I'm not ignoring you... :>
CybreGrrl
Jeanne Maxwell wrote:
> Actually, it's not what you wrote that I'm concerned with--it's what I'm
> _trying_ to write. Everything I send to you bounces, hon. Why is this
> happening? I've tried both your address as given in the
> repl...@nowhere.com--and the reference
> Just thought I'd let you know I'm not ignoring you... :>
> It's a manufactured address, I don't want to be found. Nothing personal.
Thanks for trying anyway.
Soon it won't matter anymore anyways
Dee78787
In article <4t2q00$1...@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com>, dia...@ix.netcom.com
(Diane Wilson) writes:
>I've been off this ng for a while, but someone pointed me toward this
>thread. I'm local to you (Cary);
I too saw that "nando.net" in your posting sig.
There are existing groups that you could go to, you don't have to wait
until Diane gets hers up and running you could e-mail du...@nr.infi.net,
she runs the local group in Greensboro.
And on a lighter note, Will you meet with us at our *new* place this
weekend Diane or do you still hate me?
Lauren :)
RaquelLR
Dear CyberGirl,
It's really good to hear your voice again. I can understand how you are
tired. Emotional upset often has the effect of draining all your
strength. You hang in there girl and get the rest you need.
There are many of us here who are on your side and pulling for YOU.
Love,
Raquel
Raquel Rice
http://members.aol.com/qwea1/
Diane Wilson
CybreGrrl <C...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> It's a manufactured address, I don't want to be found. Nothing personal.
> Thanks for trying anyway.
Yes, it's a fake address, but the news protocol puts in headers that at
least tell me your posting host.
I've been off this ng for a while, but someone pointed me toward this
thread. I'm local to you (Cary); I've done my own tour of hell and
come out the other side OK; I'm here if you want to talk. Take a
look at my web pages first if you want, then email me if you're
interested. I'm also planning on starting a local support group as
soon as I can put the resources together, hopefully in a month or
two. There are more of us around for networking, even before
the group gets started.
>Soon it won't matter anymore anyways
This concerns me. I'd like to help, but the next step is up to you.
You've mentioned depression also; that's something which is
very common for us. alt.support.depression is t*-friendly, if
you want to stay anonymous for a while longer.
--
Diane Wilson, genderqueer | Nothing succeeds like
dia...@ix.netcom.com | excess.
http://www.lava.net/~dewilson/ | --Oscar Wilde
http://www.lava.net/~dewilson/asd/ |
http://www.lava.net/~dewilson/menace/ |
CybreGrrl
Diane Wilson wrote:
>
> This concerns me. I'd like to help, but the next step is up to you.
> You've mentioned depression also; that's something which is
> very common for us. alt.support.depression is t*-friendly, if
> you want to stay anonymous for a while longer.
Maybe I will. I'm still around, today the indfference started. I'm just
tired right now.
Thanks for writing, it all helps.
Walk in peace.