[etc.]
The problem here is not only trying to diagnose posthumously, but also
that the subject was unquestionably brilliant and probably a bona fide
genius -- a *productive* genius at that, such that even if he had an
identified mental illness it probably wouldn't have been in anyone's
interest to treat it, unless he degenerated into outright abuse or
something.
It reminds me of Nietzsche, who *did* eventually go mad. Most of his
best work was done in the four or five years preceding the breakdown,
where it's easy to imagine that his sanity was being nibbled around the
edges. "Ecce Homo," finished just before, is both frightening and
fascinating, with chapter titles like 'Why I Write Such Good Books,' and
'Why I Am A Destiny.'
Fortunately it doesn't affect the good work, except for people who can't
read such things without thinking of what happened later.
/John
Welcome to the ng.
> I wonder if Frank Zappa had an undeclared or undiagnosed mental
> illness. He had references to suicide in his songs and seemed very
> moody. Also he had to constantly be smoking cigarettes and drinking
> coffee (self-medicating?) which are stimulants perhaps in order to
> keep his mood up. He seemd to be in foul moods sometimes and be
> irritable. He would be quite pleasant in one interview and then very
> nasty and mean in another. He said he was always thinking and couldn't
> turn it off. He talked of places 'beyond love', worked long hours and
> slept during the day. Anyway I could go on.
>Bipolar Disorder (Manic Depression)
From:
http://www.frii.com/~parrot/living.html#bipolars
These individuals have publicly stated that they have experienced manic
depression in their lives.
* Buzz Aldrin, astronaut
* Shelley Beattie, athlete (bodybuilding, sailing), artist
* Ned Beatty, actor
* Maurice Benard, actor
* Danny Bonaduce, radio personality, actor, writer
* Robert Boorstin, writer, special assistant to Pres. Clinton,
State Department
* Art Buchwald, writer, humorist
* Alohe Jean Burke (Ghafoor), musician, vocalist
* Tim Burton, artist, movie director
* Robert Campeau, financier (Canada)
* Lisa Nicole Carson, actor
* Dick Cavett, writer, media personality
* C.E. Chaffin, writer, poet
* Rosemary Clooney, singer
* Garnet Coleman, legislator (Texas)
* Francis Ford Coppola, director
* Patricia Cornwell, writer
* John Daly, athlete (golf)
* Ray Davies, musician
* Lenny Dee, musician
* Eric Douglas, actor
* Robert Downey, Jr., actor
* Kitty Dukakis, former First Lady of Massachusetts
* Patty Duke (Anna Duke Pearce), actor, writer
* Thomas Eagleton, lawyer, former U.S. Senator
* Margot Early, writer
* Robert Evans, film producer
* Carrie Fisher, writer, actor
* Larry Flynt, magazine publisher
* Connie Francis, actor, musician
* Kaye Gibbons, writer
* Kit Gingrich, Newt's Mom
* Shecky Greene, comedian, actor
* Linda Hamilton, actor
* Kristin Hersh, musician
* Jack Irons, musician
* Kay Redfield Jamison, psychologist, writer
* Daniel Johnston, musician
* Margot Kidder, actor
* Peter Nolan Lawrence, writer (England)
* Rika Lesser, writer, translator
* Bill Lichtenstein, producer (TV & radio)
* Jay Marvin, radio personality, writer
* Kevin McDonald, comedian, actor
* Kristy McNichol, actor
* Dimitri Mihalas, scientist
* Kate Millett, writer, artist
* Spike Milligan, comic actor, writer
* John Mulheren, financier (U.S.)
* Robert Munsch, writer
* Ilie Nastase, athlete (tennis), politician
* Margo Orum, writer
* Nicola Pagett, actor
* Susan Panico (Susan Dime-Meenan), business executive
* Jimmie Piersall, athlete (baseball), sports announcer
* Charley Pride, musician
* Mac Rebennack (Dr. John), musician
* Jeannie C. Riley, musician
* Lynn Rivers, U.S. Congress
* Alys Robi, vocalist (Canada)
* Axl Rose, musician
* Francesco Scavullo, artist, photographer
* Lori Schiller, writer, educator
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* Scott Simmie, writer, journalist
* Earl Simmons (DMX), musician, actor
* Alonzo Spellman, athlete (football)
* Muffin Spencer-Devlin, athlete (pro golf)
* Darryl Strawberry, athlete (baseball)
* Gordon Sumner (Sting), musician, composer
* Lili Taylor, actor
* Dimitrius Underwood, athlete (football)
* Jean-Claude Van Damme, athlete (martial arts), actor
* Mark Vonnegut, doctor, writer
* Sol Wachtler, judge, writer
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* Jonathan Winters, comedian, actor, writer, artist
* Luther Wright, athlete (basketball)
Unipolar Disorder (Depression)
These individuals have publicly stated that they have experienced
depression in their lives.
* Marvin Lee Aday (Meat Loaf), musician, actor
* Louie Anderson, comedian, actor
* Fiona Apple, musician
* Oksana Baiul, athlete (skating)
* Rona Barrett, entertainment reporter, author
* Kjell Magne Bondevik, Prime Minister, Norway
* Marlon Brando, actor
* Willie Burton, athlete (basketball)
* Delta Burke, actor
* Barbara Bush, former First Lady (U.S.)
* Helen Caldicott, activist, writer
* Drew Carey, actor, comedian
* Jim Carrey, actor, comedian
* Melanie Chisholm, singer
* Margaret Cho, actor, comedian
* Sandra Cisneros, writer
* Dick Clark, television personality (American Bandstand)
* John Cleese, comedian, actor, writer
* Leonard Cohen, musician, writer
* Paula Cole, actor
* Judy Collins, musician, writer
* Shawn Colvin, musician
* Jeff Conaway, actor
* Pat Conroy, writer
* Billy Corgan, musician
* Kathy Cronkite, writer
* Sheryl Crow, musician
* Bill Dana, comedian
* Rodney Dangerfield, comedian, actor
* Jonathan Davis, musician, composer
* Sandra Dee, actor
* Ellen DeGeneres, comedienne, actor
* Paolo DiCanio, athlete (soccer)
* Scott Donie, Olympic athlete (diving)
* Tony Dow, actor, producer, director
* Queen Elizabeth
* Jules Feiffer, playwright, screenwriter, cartoonist
* Tim Finn, musician, composer
* Eddie Fisher, singer
* Harrison Ford, actor
* Albert French, writer
* John Kenneth Galbraith, economist, educator, author
* James Garner, actor
* Paul Gascoigne, athlete (soccer)
* Kendall Gill, athlete (basketball)
* Dwight Gooden, athlete (baseball)
* Tipper Gore, activist
* Pete Harnisch, athlete (baseball)
* Mariette Hartley, actor
* Juliana Hatfield, musician
* Anthony Hopkins, actor
* Janet Jackson, musician
* Billy Joel, musician, composer
* Elton John, musician, composer
* Daniel Johns, musician
* Ashley Judd, actor
* Gelsey Kirkland, dancer
* Joey Kramer, musician
* Julie Krone, athlete (horse racing)
* Pat LaFontaine, athlete (hockey)
* Jessica Lange, actor
* Jacob Lawrence, artist
* Allie Light, director
* Rick London, cartoonist
* Greg Louganis, Olympic athlete (diving)
* Courtney Love, musician, actor
* Camryn Manheim, actor
* Martha Manning, psychologist, writer
* Dave Matthews, musician, composer
* Gary McDonald, actor (Australia)
* A.J. McLean, musician
* Robert McFarlane, former National Security Advisor (U.S.)
* Rod McKuen, writer, poet, producer
* Paul Merton, comedian (U.K.)
* Alanis Morissette, musician, composer
* S.P. Morrissey, musician
* Les Murray, poet (Australia)
* Stevie Nicks, musician
* Deborah Norville, television journalist
* Sinead O'Connor, musician
* Rosie O'Donnell, actor, talk show host
* Ozzy Osbourne, musician
* Donny Osmond, musician
* Marie Osmond, musician
* Dolly Parton, musician, arranger, writer
* Charley Pell, former coach, Univ of Florida
* Teddy Pendergrass, musician
* Alma Powell, wife of Gen. Colin Powell
* Susan Powter, motivational speaker
* Freddie Prinze, Jr., actor
* Bonnie Raitt, musician
* Lou Reed, musician
* Trent Reznor, musician
* Joan Rivers, comedienne, talk show host
* Robbie Rist, actor
* Roseanne, actor, writer, comedienne
* Martin Rossiter, musician
* Winona Ryder, actor
* Yves Saint Laurent, fashion designer
* Monica Seles, athlete (tennis)
* Linda Sexton, writer
* Neil Simon, writer, playwright
* Paul Simon, composer, musician
* Lauren Slater, writer
* Jose Solano, actor
* Phil Spector, producer (music)
* Rick Springfield, musician, actor
* Rod Steiger, actor
* George Stephanopoulos, political advisor, educator
* Teresa Stratas, musician (opera)
* Darryl Strawberry, athlete (baseball)
* William Styron, writer
* James Taylor, musician
* Kate Taylor, musician
* Livingston Taylor, musician
* Tracy Thompson, writer, reporter
* Hunter Tylo, actor
* Kurt Vonnegut, writer
* Mike Wallace, journalist, TV news (CBS)
* Damon Wayans, comedian, actor, writer, director, producer
* Dar Williams, musician
* Tom Wolfe, writer
* Elizabeth Wurtzel, writer
* Boris Yeltsin, former President, Russia
-g
Phineas wrote:
>
> I wonder if Frank Zappa had an undeclared or undiagnosed mental
> illness. He had references to suicide in his songs and seemed very
> moody. Also he had to constantly be smoking cigarettes and drinking
> coffee (self-medicating?) which are stimulants perhaps in order to
> keep his mood up. He seemd to be in foul moods sometimes and be
> irritable. He would be quite pleasant in one interview and then very
> nasty and mean in another. He said he was always thinking and couldn't
> turn it off. He talked of places 'beyond love', worked long hours and
> slept during the day. Anyway I could go on.
>
> So I wonder if he was suffering from some kind of mood disturbance
> that nevertheless drove him to do the things he did. Perhaps he kept
> the mood disturbance going or did not seek treatment because it drove
> him to do his work. If he was bipolar, he would join a lot of other
> famous and respected musicians who were too, but I've never heard
> anyone talk about whether he was.
>
> -=-Phineas
>
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I am not sure, as we could never diagnose by minimal contact, but my sense is
that he was not.
Frank Zappa was an exceptionally intelligent man. He often spoke about his
genre as an "act" to sell himself. On the few occasions that I met and spoke
with him he appeared to be a most ordinary person. (much to my dismay. I
expected an unusual person, at least.
nuff said,
Betz