TPE/ Lifestyle D/s
Christian subbie
interested in TPE. People humiliated and scorned me. I meant what I
said. That should be evident from my posts. There seems to be a
conflict, still, between TPE and SSBB. That is my kink. That is what I
need to be happy. I would appreciate it if people would suspend judgment
for as long as I am required to be here. Thank you. Here is the post
from Steven Davis. I like his writing. It suits me and fits me.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm/msg/851f35a481a438a1
I am feeling very annoyed and irritated with the way people are
humiliating me, scorning me, and paying negative attention to me. I
would leave these groups if allowed to but right now I am commanded to
stay here, so here I am, like it or not.
I am *quite* capable of emotionally and mentally giving consent *and* I
am of sound mind *and* I understand what it means to be a slave.
*Please* stop humiliating me, scorning me and paying negative attention
to me. It *greatly* displeases me. Thank you.
Atlanta
Subdued
> I am feeling very annoyed and irritated with the way people are
> humiliating me, scorning me, and paying negative attention to me. I would
> leave these groups if allowed to but right now I am commanded to stay
> here, so here I am, like it or not.
>
> I am *quite* capable of emotionally and mentally giving consent *and* I am
> of sound mind *and* I understand what it means to be a slave. *Please*
> stop humiliating me, scorning me and paying negative attention to me. It
> *greatly* displeases me. Thank you.
> Atlanta
Well as the old saying goes: "If you can't stand the heat get out of the
kitchen." I really don't think that anyone here would really miss you all
that much. I can only speak for myself however. If you could for once say
something constructive instead of all that psycho-babble we all might listen
and treat you with more respect. Try staying on topic for a change and quit
being so far out there! Most of us are average "Joes" here and enjoy talking
about BDSM plain and simple. As you must read this group we are all pretty
much civil to one another unless someone gets out of line. Take some time
for Christ sake and smell the roses!
Dave
Lynn
Christian subbie wrote:
> I believe I said when I first started posting in ssbb that I was
> interested in TPE. People humiliated and scorned me. I meant what I
> said. That should be evident from my posts. There seems to be a
> conflict, still, between TPE and SSBB. That is my kink. That is what I
> need to be happy. I would appreciate it if people would suspend judgment
> for as long as I am required to be here.
I think that whoever is "requiring" you to be here wants you to be
treated badly. What other possible reason could he have to making you
stay?
Lynn
Christian subbie
obedience to someone else, not to please myself. Now, I wish to discuss
TPE. So, let's start. Anyone here in a TPE relationship?
Atlanta
Christian subbie
to people on a personal level. Now, can we please discuss TPE. I am
going to provide a quote for you.
Let's start here.
> However, a great many (though by no means all) TPEers are
> immensely obnoxious, superior, and dissmissive of other styles.
> This may, to some extent, be explained (though not excused) by
> the frequency with which they are met with misunderstanding
> or hostility, by people either informing them that their
> kink is impossible fantasy, or claiming that they are either
> abusers or weak and unhealthy doormats (which is to say that
> some BDSMers regard TPEers very much as ES regards BDSMers)).
> But it doesn't help their cause very much.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm/msg/851f35a481a438a1
Steven was absolutely correct. I have been met with misunderstanding and
hostility from the BDSM community from the get go. Not the slaving
community, however. I have had the "weak and unhealthy doormat" label
hurled at me in my marriage, from that girl who *lived* with us, who
felt my marriage was all about power and domination, in other words my
ex husband over me. I *never* stated he was sexually submissive. He is
*quite* sexually dominant and quite *not* matched to my kink. I had to
explain that to him yesterday afternoon, and, again, this morning. That
was the whole reason behind the Venus in Furs nym. My ex emotionally
battered me into taking the dominant role.
And the other person has been accused of being an abuser by many who do
not know him, as I have been accused of being an abuser as well.
Frankly, I am sick and tired of this debate, but that is what we do
here, so be it.
I am not going to get into the specifics of my kink. It has been made
clear that includes verbal abuse, humiliation, scorn, bondage. I thought
we did not judge each other's kink here. Was I wrong?
Troia
...
> I told you, that person requires that I demonstrate my ability to relate
> to people on a personal level.
So when are you planning to start? Or to at least put a smidge of
effort into it?
> Now, can we please discuss TPE.
Apparently not. Imagine that!
See, you *still* don't get to define and determine what is discussed
here, no matter how many times you try to. And your efforts to
"discuss" or "debate" this old-hat, inaccurate, unrealistic material
that *you* just discovered ... are simply a waste of time.
We're living it; we don't need to debate whatever BS material you've
dug up on the web today that happens to strike you for the moment as the
One Twue Way.
> Frankly, I am sick and tired of this debate, but that is what we do
> here, so be it.
No, it's what you try to do here, sometimes successfully and sometimes not.
We discuss reality of BDSM play and lifestyle, post and read scene
reports, swap recipes, or whatever happens to suit us.
Your efforts to redefine "what we do here" to match your bizarre world
view ... well, let's just say you've failed once again.
>
> I am not going to get into the specifics of my kink. It has been made
> clear that includes verbal abuse, humiliation, scorn, bondage. I thought
> we did not judge each other's kink here. Was I wrong?
You're pretty much *always* wrong every time you start a sentence with
"I thought we ..." or "I thought this group ..." Haven't you noticed
that yet?
-- Troia
Christian subbie
> Christian subbie wrote:
> ...
>> I told you, that person requires that I demonstrate my ability to
>> relate to people on a personal level.
>
> So when are you planning to start? Or to at least put a smidge of
> effort into it?
message after message after message to me, debating me. Cut it out.
>
>> Now, can we please discuss TPE.
>
> Apparently not. Imagine that!
>
> See, you *still* don't get to define and determine what is discussed
> here, no matter how many times you try to. And your efforts to
> "discuss" or "debate" this old-hat, inaccurate, unrealistic material
> that *you* just discovered ... are simply a waste of time.
>
> We're living it; we don't need to debate whatever BS material you've
> dug up on the web today that happens to strike you for the moment as
> the One Twue Way.
slavery community that I have belonged to for quite some time. You
insult my whole community.
I am living it, and have been living it for a year.
I am really insulted by you.
>
>> Frankly, I am sick and tired of this debate, but that is what we do
>> here, so be it.
>
> No, it's what you try to do here, sometimes successfully and sometimes
> not.
>
> We discuss reality of BDSM play and lifestyle, post and read scene
> reports, swap recipes, or whatever happens to suit us.
>
> Your efforts to redefine "what we do here" to match your bizarre world
> view ... well, let's just say you've failed once again.
You judge me that I am not in the lifestyle. Remember how furious I was
at being outed? Frankly I don't see how being here benefits me, but this
is not about me, this is about him. Frankly I am sick and tired of you,
personally. I let that other person go that was helping me to deal with
you for the sake of the one who has authority over me, otherwise you can
be sure I would speaking to him about you.
>>
>> I am not going to get into the specifics of my kink. It has been made
>> clear that includes verbal abuse, humiliation, scorn, bondage. I
>> thought we did not judge each other's kink here. Was I wrong?
>
> You're pretty much *always* wrong every time you start a sentence with
> "I thought we ..." or "I thought this group ..." Haven't you noticed
> that yet?
>
> -- Troia
That is sarcasm, was I wrong? That is rhetoric. I really don't enjoy
talking to you *at all*. I find you *most* unpleasant.
Subdued
"Troia" <troia....@gmail.removethis.com> wrote in message
news:457b4026$0$97254$892e...@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
How eliquantly put Troia. How's my spelling comming alone?
Dave
Subdued
> Fuck off. That is what I have been doing all day. You keep writing message
> after message after message to me, debating me. Cut it out.
>>
> That is sarcasm, was I wrong? That is rhetoric. I really don't enjoy
> talking to you *at all*. I find you *most* unpleasant.
Sticks and stones may break our bones.....! Well we find you to be well....?
Dave
Christian subbie
stated, I wish to leave, but this is not about what I wish. This person
is not my father. He does not allow me to run away. My father allowed me
to run away *four times*, and once I ran away as far as the San Juan
Islands on the Green Tortoise at the age of 15! I snuck out the bathroom
window and climbed over the fence and took off.
This person is used to owning cats and I am very much cat like. Cats are
sneaky. I am not being allowed to be sneaky anymore, hide under the bed
as it were. :-D
fnordikins
"Christian subbie" is an anagram for "his scabbier unit" "use rabbinic
shit" "hi crisis nut babe" "rabbit chin issue" "ethic barb is in us"
"hires incubi bats" "I bruise bat chins" "tabu bi crisis hen", and many
others.
IrishWinks
<amkemail...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
<snip>
>Fuck off. That is what I have been doing all day. You keep writing
>message after message after message to me, debating me. Cut it out.
I think you have successfully demonstrated your ability to relate to
people on a personal level. Not that your skill is good, just that
you've effectively demonstrated your ability.
Since "that person" cannot require others to relate to you on a
personal level, your assignment is finished. Perhaps you could ask
"that person" for some pointers on how to improve.
Winks
*Note email addy is munged. Correct email is irish...@bresnan.net
jo
her crap.
Jo
Troia
...
> How eliquantly put Troia. How's my spelling comming alone?
>
> Dave
Thanks, Dave.
You're speelchucker seams two bee wurking jest grate.
-- Troia
Christian subbie
>
>
> Since "that person" cannot require others to relate to you on a
> personal level, your assignment is finished. Perhaps you could ask
> "that person" for some pointers on how to improve.
>
> Winks
>
>
>
> *Note email addy is munged. Correct email is irish...@bresnan.net
>
whole thing off, but that would be betraying my desire, so here I stay.
Grumpy and all, storming (outside) and all, (dark at 4:22pm outside)
and all.
And can you believe I am going to the evening worship service tonight in
this *storm*. A dark and stormy night. Phooey.
I want some chocolate!
Esclave d'Amour
> I told you, that person requires that I demonstrate my ability to relate
> to people on a personal level.
OK. I'm willing to try to do that, for as long as it takes.
(I've already been trying to do this a bit in private, but that doesn't
appear to be what you want -- OK, I suppose).
> Now, can we please discuss TPE. I am going to provide a quote for you.
[ quote elided ]
I am, for the most part, collared (and when I'm not, it's to facilitate
things my Master knows will benefit me). I am, pretty much, in a TPE
relationship. He's not an arrogant, sadistic Master. He's dominant,
and that's it. He's also a very loving, caring, mystical Christian --
which I hope will give you the hope and belief that there *will* be
someone out there for you who can give you similar.
If you knock me back again, or insult me, so be it. I won't take
offence, or try to attack you, however much you hurt me. I would have
done three years ago, but one moves on.
alcibiades
I favor "rabbit - nice sushi!" and "cuisine hits Barb" myself. Poor
rabbit, poor Barb, obviously, but all in good fun.
alcibiades
Christian subbie
> Christian subbie wrote:
>
>> I told you, that person requires that I demonstrate my ability to
>> relate to people on a personal level.
>
> OK. I'm willing to try to do that, for as long as it takes.
>
> (I've already been trying to do this a bit in private, but that
> doesn't appear to be what you want -- OK, I suppose).
>
>> Now, can we please discuss TPE. I am going to provide a quote for you.
>
> [ quote elided ]
>
> I am, for the most part, collared (and when I'm not, it's to
> facilitate things my Master knows will benefit me). I am, pretty
> much, in a TPE relationship. He's not an arrogant, sadistic Master.
> He's dominant, and that's it. He's also a very loving, caring,
> mystical Christian -- which I hope will give you the hope and belief
> that there *will* be someone out there for you who can give you similar.
>
> If you knock me back again, or insult me, so be it. I won't take
> offence, or try to attack you, however much you hurt me. I would have
> done three years ago, but one moves on.
but for him, I am willing to be obedient and masochistic, in other
words, tape my switch down, because I am much happier being a bottom.
There is someone out there for me. I just realized this whole thing is
against my will, meaning I would not have willed it but I am consenting
to it. He outed me, remember? I didn't even know what I was writing
about. That's funny! If he hadn't outed me, I would have been content to
go on in fantasy la la land. But no, that wasn't meant to be. Now I am
finding out some of my women friends in my county are into the
lifestyle! I have at least three I know of, bi and gay. Two of them were
sex workers. They are my peers, age peers, in real life. They are all
mothers.
Not only that one of my bosom friends in high school danced/s at Bondage
a Go Go! I am still in touch with her through a mutual friend. And some
of my other friends in high school were poly.
This is no dream. This is reality, like it or not. And yes, my parents
do have bondage cuffs on their coffee table at home, the pink ones from
Good Vibrations.
At 17 or 18, I was drawing kinky pictures, rather than writing kinky
essays. Those are just as worthwhile.
Stephen Harris
Why, he/she/it wants to use us non-consentially in a scene, of course!
--
rgds, Stephen "Pleasure, little treasure"
An Englishman in New York, and loving slave to his Mistress, Tori.
BDSM thoughts, writings, poems and stuff: http://bdsm.spuddy.org/
Newsgroup charter, FAQs etc at http://bdsm.spuddy.org/newsgroups/
fnordikins
> I think that whoever is "requiring" you to be here wants you to be
> treated badly. What other possible reason could he have to making you
> stay?
And whoever it is certainly wants *us* to be treated badly.
nonskid fir, lover of dark fun groin pus
Esclave d'Amour
> It's not what I want, its what he wants.
Has he *explicitly* made it clear that that's what he wants?
> I like my arrogant sadistic master. :-D I am also arrogant and sadistic,
> but for him, I am willing to be obedient and masochistic, in other
> words, tape my switch down, because I am much happier being a bottom.
Are you really arrogant and sadistic, or is that what you've talked
yourself (or been talked) into being? My ex-husband would quite happily
characterise me as such, whilst I'm so scared of him (and triggered by
him) that I can't read his emails.
> There is someone out there for me. I just realized this whole thing is
> against my will, meaning I would not have willed it but I am consenting
> to it. He outed me, remember? I didn't even know what I was writing
> about. That's funny! If he hadn't outed me, I would have been content to
> go on in fantasy la la land. But no, that wasn't meant to be. Now I am
> finding out some of my women friends in my county are into the
> lifestyle! I have at least three I know of, bi and gay. Two of them were
> sex workers. They are my peers, age peers, in real life. They are all
> mothers.
That's good. Self-realisation and self-knowledge are always good
things, however they may come about. And you've found more in common
with your friends -- excellent!
> At 17 or 18, I was drawing kinky pictures, rather than writing kinky
> essays. Those are just as worthwhile.
I was just writing the kinky erotica which unfortunately my father found
at that age. He temporarily disowned me for it. C'est la vie.
TyMeDwn1st
>Lynn <socke...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>> Christian subbie wrote:
>> > I believe I said when I first started posting in ssbb that I was
>> > interested in TPE. People humiliated and scorned me. I meant what I
>> > said. That should be evident from my posts. There seems to be a
>> > conflict, still, between TPE and SSBB. That is my kink. That is what I
>> > need to be happy. I would appreciate it if people would suspend judgment
>> > for as long as I am required to be here.
>
>> I think that whoever is "requiring" you to be here wants you to be
>> treated badly. What other possible reason could he have to making you
>> stay?
>
>Why, he/she/it wants to use us non-consentially in a scene, of course!
So who will be providing the after-care for everyone?
--
Ty
Who is mostly just a
slightly skewed
Donna Reed
"To announce there must be no criticism of the president, or
that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not
only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to
the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt
TyMeDwn1st
Are we taking a vote on how to refer to her? My choice would be "his scabbier
unit."
fnordikins
> So who will be providing the after-care for everyone?
I will be here with cuddles and smooches for anyone who wants and
deserves them!
Christian subbie
> Lynn <socke...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>> Christian subbie wrote:
>>
>>> I believe I said when I first started posting in ssbb that I was
>>> interested in TPE. People humiliated and scorned me. I meant what I
>>> said. That should be evident from my posts. There seems to be a
>>> conflict, still, between TPE and SSBB. That is my kink. That is what I
>>> need to be happy. I would appreciate it if people would suspend judgment
>>> for as long as I am required to be here.
>>>
>
>
>> I think that whoever is "requiring" you to be here wants you to be
>> treated badly. What other possible reason could he have to making you
>> stay?
>>
>
> Why, he/she/it wants to use us non-consentially in a scene, of course!
>
>
chance at that, I must return here and show him I can relate to you.
That is why I am here. To please him, not myself. I hope you can
understand that. I am being most sincere. I prefer to communicate here
than with some people in my real life because they do not understand my
real life, if you know what I mean.
Renate
Christian subbie wrote:
> Lynn wrote:
> > I think that whoever is "requiring" you to be here wants you to be
> > treated badly. What other possible reason could he have to making you
> > stay?
> I am not going to get into the specifics of my kink. It has been made
> clear that includes verbal abuse, humiliation, scorn, bondage.
Lightbulb!
This isn't some dominant's scene at all. I very much doubt that
this/these dominant dude/s even exists (outside of her own fantasies).
The gent in the cassock wouldn't play ball, and neither would her
Church. Instead of heaping scorn on her, (like she wanted), the Church
pulls her closer to save the lost sheep. Well, geez... that's no fun.
So, she has to bring an "anti-Christ" into the picture, as in someone
who is everything contradictory to the Church's teachings (heathen,
sadistic, perverted poly dominant, who places himself above God).
Miraculously, she just happens to have one in the wings, only she
forgot about him for 18 months (or 3 years, or whatever length of
time), and he is the only one who can "save" her. Her dastardly
dominant dude makes her do all these things that the hates and detests
(like staying on these lists), because he's pissed that she forgot she
was his property.
This is HER scene. We are providing her *exactly* what SHE wants to
get off. A bit of self-bondage, in stating that she is forced to be
here... and we have kindly provided the rest. She's probably orgasming
herself silly, rolling in the verbal abuse, scorn and humiliation she's
received here.
This is hilarious. Even the Soap Opera writers couldn't come up with
anything this diabolically psychotic. <snort>
Renate
who will be suing for her share of royalties, when this hits print
Renate
"A man"? Just "a man"? Not your "master" dude, whom you've known and
communicated with for all this time? Must have been someone you
trolled, eh?
Toots, I've been active in the bdsm world for a bit over 20 yrs now,
and even *I* don't understand your "real life". You truly need to stay
away from those fluffy Castle Realm type sites..
Renate
Christian subbie
> Christian subbie wrote:
>> It's not what I want, its what he wants.
>
> Has he *explicitly* made it clear that that's what he wants?
I have realized it is up to me to make myself understood to you.
Tonight. I am scared of him, scared of you, and scared of our
relationship. He knows that. He expected me to run away. He was pleased
with me for confronting my fear.
I don't like speaking for him. It really doesn't feel good. Can you
please stop asking me about him? Thanks. Again, my clergy don't want to
know about him. Why do you?
>
>> I like my arrogant sadistic master. :-D I am also arrogant and
>> sadistic, but for him, I am willing to be obedient and masochistic,
>> in other words, tape my switch down, because I am much happier being
>> a bottom.
>
> Are you really arrogant and sadistic, or is that what you've talked
> yourself (or been talked) into being? My ex-husband would quite
> happily characterise me as such, whilst I'm so scared of him (and
> triggered by him) that I can't read his emails.
groups, the goths and Celts alike, characterize me as mean. I can be
mean, emotionally abusive to my daughter. I know this about myself. I
was raised by an emotionally abusive mother. I learned how to be mean
early on. Now I am trying to unlearn it, and it is very very hard.
My ex-husband doesn't write me email. He is a different sort. He thought
he still stood a chance with me until I made it explicitly clear last
night that I was in fact emotionally involved with someone and this was
not a figment of my imagination. I am actually very weak when it comes
to him and it took a lot to stand up to him and his incessant desire to
*own* me. He may *not* have me. Oh!
>
>
>
>> At 17 or 18, I was drawing kinky pictures, rather than writing kinky
>> essays. Those are just as worthwhile.
>
> I was just writing the kinky erotica which unfortunately my father
> found at that age. He temporarily disowned me for it. C'est la vie.
Really? My parents had Henry Miller and Anais Nin on their shelves when
I was a teen. My mom turned me on to Hieronymus Bosch and Frida Kahlo
and Georgia O'Keefe and Carl Jung and Kierkegaard. My parents had The
Beatles, The Pink Floyd, The Rolling Stones, The Who. My dad was a
libertine!
I was allowed to read whatever I wanted! My mom didn't like me reading
Stephen King, but I did it anyways, under the covers with a flashlight. :-D
Kaos
<amkemail...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
> That message did not address my subject at all. I am here out of
> obedience to someone else, not to please myself. Now, I wish to discuss
> TPE. So, let's start.
No. Why the fuck did you crosspost this idiocy?
David Weinshenker
> I think that whoever is "requiring" you to be here wants you to be
> treated badly.
Well, if that's what's going on, we could screw up his plans by
making a point of _not_ treating her badly... I certainly have
no interest in acting, un-negotiated, in an "indirect humiliation
scene" that he is trying to set up, where neither I nor, apparently,
the target, have consented!
-dave w
Christian subbie
> Christian subbie wrote:
>
>> Lynn wrote:
>>
>
>
>>> I think that whoever is "requiring" you to be here wants you to be
>>> treated badly. What other possible reason could he have to making you
>>> stay?
>>>
>
>
>> I am not going to get into the specifics of my kink. It has been made
>> clear that includes verbal abuse, humiliation, scorn, bondage.
>>
>
>
> Lightbulb!
>
> This isn't some dominant's scene at all. I very much doubt that
> this/these dominant dude/s even exists (outside of her own fantasies).
>
wrote to me tonight. Why are you being so mean?
> The gent in the cassock wouldn't play ball, and neither would her
> Church. Instead of heaping scorn on her, (like she wanted), the Church
> pulls her closer to save the lost sheep. Well, geez... that's no fun.
> So, she has to bring an "anti-Christ" into the picture, as in someone
> who is everything contradictory to the Church's teachings (heathen,
> sadistic, perverted poly dominant, who places himself above God).
> Miraculously, she just happens to have one in the wings, only she
> forgot about him for 18 months (or 3 years, or whatever length of
> time), and he is the only one who can "save" her. Her dastardly
> dominant dude makes her do all these things that the hates and detests
> (like staying on these lists), because he's pissed that she forgot she
> was his property.
>
asked me to come back in here. My Church doesn't want to know about him
or me or this group. The Church did not pull me closer, he did. Your
words are hurting me. The godless heathen contacted me in an Orthodox
group. I rejected him. I made a mistake. I did not forget about my
gentleman in the cassock. I do not want to discuss that situation. And
yeah, he is the only one who can "save" me, that's right. He is not
making me do anything. He is asking me to do something for him and
frankly I am saddened by it. This is making a mockery of our
relationship and I wish to protect it from the public eye. If he were
angry with me, he would not have written to me. What is wrong with you?
> This is HER scene. We are providing her *exactly* what SHE wants to
> get off. A bit of self-bondage, in stating that she is forced to be
> here... and we have kindly provided the rest. She's probably orgasming
> herself silly, rolling in the verbal abuse, scorn and humiliation she's
> received here.
>
I think I have stated that. I am not getting off. I am feeling saddened.
I am not being forced to be here. I am choosing to be here for someone
else. I am not at all orgasming me and my orgasming is none of your
business! How dare you intrude upon that.
> This is hilarious. Even the Soap Opera writers couldn't come up with
> anything this diabolically psychotic. <snort>
>
> Renate
> who will be suing for her share of royalties, when this hits print
>
>
getting you to understand me. This is useless.
Christian subbie
>
>
> "A man"? Just "a man"? Not your "master" dude, whom you've known and
> communicated with for all this time? Must have been someone you
> trolled, eh?
>
public. I was trying to protect his identity but apparently I am going
to have to use that word.
> Toots, I've been active in the bdsm world for a bit over 20 yrs now,
> and even *I* don't understand your "real life". You truly need to stay
> away from those fluffy Castle Realm type sites..
>
> Renate
>
>
You really hurt my feelings, you know that? You are so ***mean***.
I am trying to make myself understood to you for his sake. I am failing.
Christian subbie
> On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 18:47:21 -0500, fnordikins <fnord...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>> "Christian subbie" is an anagram for "his scabbier unit" "use rabbinic
>> shit" "hi crisis nut babe" "rabbit chin issue" "ethic barb is in us"
>> "hires incubi bats" "I bruise bat chins" "tabu bi crisis hen", and many
>> others.
>>
>
> Are we taking a vote on how to refer to her? My choice would be "his scabbier
> unit."
>
>
>
Christian subbie
make myself understood to you. That is all. I am here because I wish to
please him.
David Weinshenker
> "hires incubi bats"
I'd do that if I knew where they hang out. Every now and
then I could just really use a good incubus, dangit!
-dave w
Esclave d'Amour
> I am scared of him, scared of you, and scared of our
> relationship. He knows that. He expected me to run away. He was pleased
> with me for confronting my fear.
Why are you scared of me? (Or was that "you" a generic you, rather than
a specific one directed solely at me?) I am really not very scary at
all, even though (under my real name) I know I used to appear so on Usenet.
> I don't like speaking for him. It really doesn't feel good. Can you
> please stop asking me about him? Thanks. Again, my clergy don't want to
> know about him. Why do you?
I'm doing my best to understand you. That takes understanding the whole
picture and the whole situation. As a matter of fact, I do think that I
understand you reasonably well, and I certainly empathise with you a
lot. So I think you can regard that as something of a success with
regard to interpersonal communication; if he's reading this thread, I
hope that's helpful (and indeed he's welcome to email me).
I suppose I was asking about him because I wanted to be certain it was
*him* who was communicating with you, rather than some horrible person
acting as a puppet-master tweaking you for the purpose of getting a
response. There are a lot of horrible people out here on the Internet
(as, I suppose, there are in real life, but the relative anonymity of
the Internet makes it so ludicrously easy for people to be able to
pretend to be what they are not) and it seems to me that quite a few
people are currently getting their kicks by toying with you.
> I have been characterized as arrogant my whole life. People in these
> groups, the goths and Celts alike, characterize me as mean. I can be
> mean, emotionally abusive to my daughter. I know this about myself. I
> was raised by an emotionally abusive mother. I learned how to be mean
> early on. Now I am trying to unlearn it, and it is very very hard.
Try not to be emotionally abusive to your daughter. What she learns now
is how she will relate to people for the rest of her life, or at least
would require years of therapy to unlearn. Your own experience should
tell you that.
It was my father that was emotionally abusive, not my mother. My mother
was wonderful. I miss her so much.
Kaos
<amkemail...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
> I am *quite* capable of emotionally and mentally giving consent *and* I
> am of sound mind
No you're not. C-PSTD, remember?
boji...@aol.com
SWMNBN pops up again and most of the *regulars* respond .
Another subject to killfile .
Jim ( killfiled christian subbie as well )
Lusus Naturae
>fnordikins wrote:
>> "hires incubi bats"
>
>I'd do that if I knew where they hang out.
Er...For the same purpose as Lynn employs flying monkeys?
--
Lusus Naturae
Lynn
Christian subbie wrote:
>
> I am living it, and have been living it for a year.
Wow, that was a quick year! It seems like only two days ago that
someone you won't name told you, "I want you to go and keep
deliberately annoying the holy living fuck out of these newsgroups."
Or were you talking about how enslaved you are to the church again?
Lynn
Lynn
Eeeeyyyyeeewww! Rabbit sushi!
Rabbit should be lightly sauteed, with maybe a nice herb sauce.
Lynn
Lynn
Renate wrote:
> This is hilarious. Even the Soap Opera writers couldn't come up with
> anything this diabolically psychotic. <snort>
>
With my share I'm going somewhere warm. This rain sucks, and I'm going
out in it in an hour.
Lynn
Lynn
Christian subbie wrote:
> What are you talking about? The gentleman in the cassock is the one who
> asked me to come back in here.
My god, you were right, Renate! For a minute I'd actually thought that
someone from this group had agreed to be her on-line master.
Lynn
Troia
You must have been having a slow day; you usually pick up on these things.
-- Troia
Tanfj
Same here, thank GNU for slrn.
As for the nameshifting one:
Could you stop changing your email address willy-nilly,
so my killfile can spare me from your erudition and wit?
--
But do you really want us to start judging nations based on
their actions 50-60 years ago while posting from Germany?
-- Justin Bacon responding to Roger Johansson in RASFW
fnordikins
>
> Useful tip: Killfiling on address alone is generally more effective than
> killfiling on address and name. As long as she doesn't change her actual
> email address, you're OK whatever she chooses to call herself that particular
> day.
Ooh! Thank you!
Yeah I know it seems obvious NOW, but I hadn't thought of it.
*smoochies*
David Weinshenker
>
> David Weinshenker come on down:
Hey, sometimes I'm not even picky about that bit...
Right about now even a low-res incubus (in bat form
or otherwise) would be better than no incubi at all!
-dave w
Christian subbie
> Christian subbie wrote:
>> I am scared of him, scared of you, and scared of our relationship. He
>> knows that. He expected me to run away. He was pleased with me for
>> confronting my fear.
>
> Why are you scared of me? (Or was that "you" a generic you, rather
> than a specific one directed solely at me?) I am really not very
> scary at all, even though (under my real name) I know I used to appear
> so on Usenet.
be friends with me. I don't trust you, I am sorry.
>
>> I don't like speaking for him. It really doesn't feel good. Can you
>> please stop asking me about him? Thanks. Again, my clergy don't want
>> to know about him. Why do you?
>
> I'm doing my best to understand you. That takes understanding the
> whole picture and the whole situation. As a matter of fact, I do
> think that I understand you reasonably well, and I certainly empathise
> with you a lot. So I think you can regard that as something of a
> success with regard to interpersonal communication; if he's reading
> this thread, I hope that's helpful (and indeed he's welcome to email me).
>
> I suppose I was asking about him because I wanted to be certain it was
> *him* who was communicating with you, rather than some horrible person
> acting as a puppet-master tweaking you for the purpose of getting a
> response. There are a lot of horrible people out here on the Internet
> (as, I suppose, there are in real life, but the relative anonymity of
> the Internet makes it so ludicrously easy for people to be able to
> pretend to be what they are not) and it seems to me that quite a few
> people are currently getting their kicks by toying with you.
that was how I would know it was him. He is correct in stating that no
one knows him. He and I had this conflict before where I believed
something someone said about him. I am not very good at communicating
through this medium, and I am not sure if I enjoy it anymore. I am
becoming more weary of talking about him out in public, believe me,
whether on the Internet or in groups of people in real life. Which is
hard because people tend to talk about their relationships, but in my
case, that is not such a good idea.
>
>> I have been characterized as arrogant my whole life. People in these
>> groups, the goths and Celts alike, characterize me as mean. I can be
>> mean, emotionally abusive to my daughter. I know this about myself. I
>> was raised by an emotionally abusive mother. I learned how to be mean
>> early on. Now I am trying to unlearn it, and it is very very hard.
>
> Try not to be emotionally abusive to your daughter. What she learns
> now is how she will relate to people for the rest of her life, or at
> least would require years of therapy to unlearn. Your own experience
> should tell you that.
>
> It was my father that was emotionally abusive, not my mother. My
> mother was wonderful. I miss her so much.
not be telling you about. I am insulted by how low people think my
intelligent is, but I am just going to have grin and bear it.
Christian subbie
emotionally and mentally giving consent and that I am of sound mind. It
is not your concern, again. It is his concern.
Christian subbie
I find you to be ***so*** insulting and ***so*** degrading. You don't
understand a *word* I write. I have told this group *from the beginning*
I am not looking for a master. Why do you insist on putting me down day
after day, week after week, month after month? You don't read a *word* I
write. I am really hurt by you Lynn. I hope I *never* meet you. I don't
like you *at all*.
Do you know how many masters I have rejected on line and off line? You
really need to get a clue and fast.
Renate
Christian subbie wrote:
> Troia wrote:
> > Christian subbie wrote:
> > We're living it; we don't need to debate whatever BS material you've
> > dug up on the web today that happens to strike you for the moment as
> > the One Twue Way.
> I belong to a slavery community that I have belonged to for quite some time. You
> insult my whole community.
>
> I am living it, and have been living it for a year. Did someone radically shorten the calendar by 360 days? At this rate, 3 quick breaths, and I'll be a century old.
Lets see... today is Dec 10, 06. Five days ago (on Dec 5th, 06),
somewhere in cyberspace, you were overheard to claim, q/ "I am a female
submissive without a dom or a master,and never had one. I have a
submissive heart and am seeking to fulfill it. My nickname is O." /q
And then proceeded to shoot down any dominant who was kinky, perverted,
poly, widowed, black, sadistic, has ever had sex (in the flesh), or
liked to play... as stalking ("observing") you, merely because they
said "hi".
Of course you've been living as a fur-reel slave, for a year now (or
was that 18 months, or 3 years). In your mind, perhaps. The sad thing
is, that I haven't heard anyone (from any "slave community") claim to
actually *know* you, and there are a gazillion r/t slaves on ssbb.
Alas, even the cyber-slaves don't appear to be acknowledging you,
either.
> Frankly I am sick and tired of you, personally. I let that other person go that was helping
> me to deal with you for the sake of the one who has authority over me, otherwise you can
> be sure I would speaking to him about you.
That should frighten people, exactly how?
Renate
Renate
Christian subbie wrote:
> Kaos wrote:
> > Christian subbie wrote:
> >> I am *quite* capable of emotionally and mentally giving consent *and*
> >> I am of sound mind
> > No you're not. C-PSTD, remember?
> Do you know what C-PTSD is? Furthermore, he has decided I am capable of
> emotionally and mentally giving consent and that I am of sound mind. It
> is not your concern, again. It is his concern.
In short - You have trouble controlling your emotions - you have
problems with memory and disassociation - you have a warped
self-perception, in that you think you are unique from every else - you
have a preoccupation with revenge against those you feel have hurt you
- repeated searches for someone to 'rescue' you - tend not to respond
to people/things with normal emotional responses.
This cassock dude has pronounced you of sound mind, and
emotionally/mentally functional? Oh, that's right.. he's your current
"rescuer", and is gonna "cure" you. Gotcha.
Renate
Markem
wrote:
>On Sat, 9 Dec 2006 19:44:47 -0500, bd...@spuddy.org (Stephen Harris) wrote:
>
>>Lynn <socke...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Christian subbie wrote:
>>> > I believe I said when I first started posting in ssbb that I was
>>> > interested in TPE. People humiliated and scorned me. I meant what I
>>> > said. That should be evident from my posts. There seems to be a
>>> > conflict, still, between TPE and SSBB. That is my kink. That is what I
>>> > need to be happy. I would appreciate it if people would suspend judgment
>>> > for as long as I am required to be here.
>>
>>> I think that whoever is "requiring" you to be here wants you to be
>>> treated badly. What other possible reason could he have to making you
>>> stay?
>>
>>Why, he/she/it wants to use us non-consentially in a scene, of course!
>
>So who will be providing the after-care for everyone?
Where the hell is Lawless? Would he do?
Markem
(sixoneeight) = 618
Christian subbie
Surprise.
Christian subbie
>
>
> Of course you've been living as a fur-reel slave, for a year now (or
> was that 18 months, or 3 years). In your mind, perhaps. The sad thing
> is, that I haven't heard anyone (from any "slave community") claim to
> actually *know* you, and there are a gazillion r/t slaves on ssbb.
> Alas, even the cyber-slaves don't appear to be acknowledging you,
> either.
>
arguing with you. It is really very simple.
>
>
>
>
Esclave d'Amour
> I am scared of you because you flamed me and now you are attempting to
> be friends with me. I don't trust you, I am sorry.
I'm sorry if you think I've flamed you. I don't think I have. Indeed I
have spent a lot of time over the past three years rewriting my messages
so they don't flame people unintentionally. You have, in fact, insulted
me and hurt me personally on more than one occasion; I have deliberately
not responded in kind as I saw no way that good could come from that,
and I did not consider it to be a Christian or caring response.
However, if you don't trust me there's very little point in even
attempting to carry on any discourse. Mutual trust is absolutely
*everything* to me, and a vital underpinning of any in depth discussion.
Dag
> I thought
> we did not judge each other's kink here. Was I wrong?
You where very wrong. On a.g we always reserve the right to judge a
wide variety of things, including, but not limited to:
You're favorite beverages, your choice of operating system, your
preferred brand of cooking utensils, your favorite football team, your
opinion on Rob Zombie, Dead Can Dance and how they relate to goth and
countless other things.
If you do not want to run the risk of something being judged, don't
mention it on a.g.
Dag
M. Shirley Chong
> I'm sorry if you think I've flamed you. I don't think I have. Indeed I
> have spent a lot of time over the past three years rewriting my messages
> so they don't flame people unintentionally. You have, in fact, insulted
> me and hurt me personally on more than one occasion; I have deliberately
> not responded in kind as I saw no way that good could come from that,
> and I did not consider it to be a Christian or caring response.
>
> However, if you don't trust me there's very little point in even
> attempting to carry on any discourse. Mutual trust is absolutely
> *everything* to me, and a vital underpinning of any in depth discussion.
<quietly applauding you and your responses here>
Shirley
Christian subbie
>
>
> However, if you don't trust me there's very little point in even
> attempting to carry on any discourse. Mutual trust is absolutely
> *everything* to me, and a vital underpinning of any in depth discussion.
you. I appreciate it and wish you luck on your journey. I trust you will
maintain our confidence as I asked of you and you agreed to.
Troia
Renate wrote:
> Christian subbie wrote:
>> Troia wrote:
>>> We're living it; we don't need to debate whatever BS material you've
>>> dug up on the web today that happens to strike you for the moment as
>>> the One Twue Way.
>
>> I belong to a slavery community that I have belonged to for quite some time. You
>> insult my whole community.
>>
>> I am living it, and have been living it for a year.
>
> Did someone radically shorten the calendar by 360 days? At this rate, 3 quick breaths, and I'll be a century old.
-- Troia
kest
>
> If you do not want to run the risk of something being judged, don't
> mention it on a.g.
>
To offer an opinion on your judgement, offering opinions, which we do
constantly, is not quite the same as judging something. Judging, in my
mind, takes authority, whether real or imagined, and we are quite
ruthlessly equal here.
k
Troia
I have to say I'd "ditto" Shirley on that.
More grace than I can muster, I'm sorry to say.
And if one is talking about "Christian spirit" and such ... well, this
seems a good example of the best.
-- Troia
Dag
We judge each other first and foremost by the sum total of our postings.
Later some of us judge each other by how we are when we meet face to
face. Many aspects we judge irrelevant to forming an opinion, some are
judged marginally relevant or only relevant in certain contexts, while
other aspects are judged as having far more relevance to the forming on
our opinion of a person.
While on the one hand judgment might be seen to require authority, on
the other we all judge the world around us and everyone in it. On the
third hand it seems we're getting into arguing semantics.
On the fourth it's the middle of the night and I feel I'm becoming
incoherent.
Dag
Lynn
Christian subbie wrote:
> >
> Oh such an excellent fisher woman.
Yes, I am a fisher of women. However I throw back all those who are
nutso, can't make sense, or contradict themselves within fifteen
minutes of making a statement. <heave>
Lynn
Lynn
Esclave d'Amour wrote:
> Christian subbie wrote:
>
> > I am scared of you because you flamed me and now you are attempting to
> > be friends with me. I don't trust you, I am sorry.
>
> I'm sorry if you think I've flamed you. I don't think I have. Indeed I
> have spent a lot of time over the past three years rewriting my messages
> so they don't flame people unintentionally. You have, in fact, insulted
> me and hurt me personally on more than one occasion; I have deliberately
> not responded in kind as I saw no way that good could come from that,
> and I did not consider it to be a Christian or caring response.
Back in the day, I got laudatory e-mails from people who thought I'd
been amazingly generous to such folks as HWSNBN, Shermy, and Even
Steven. They were right, and I, apparently, wasted my limited lifetime
supply of patience on them, because I have little for Vif. Good on you
for trying.
Lynn
Christian subbie
hence, fisher woman. BTW, it makes no difference to me that you have no
patience with me. I simply do not care. I like to blow smoke.
Kaos
<amkemail...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
> Kaos wrote:
>> On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 14:54:39 -0700, Christian subbie
>> <amkemail...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I am *quite* capable of emotionally and mentally giving consent *and*
>>> I am of sound mind
>>
>> No you're not. C-PSTD, remember?
> Do you know what C-PTSD is?
From the common symptoms, it's exactly the sort of mental health issue
that would render one incapable of giving meaningful consent.
> Furthermore, he has decided I am capable of emotionally and mentally
> giving consent and that I am of sound mind.
On this matter, he lacks the required impartiality to make that call.
Stephanie Moore-Fuller
Hmmm. This of course leaves open the question of what you do with the
women you don't throw back. <ponder the possibilities>
stephanie
--
Stephanie Moore-Fuller smoo...@blackrose.org Mountain View, CA, USA
"If you beat the shit out of a man, he will learn all about you."
-- Nigel Kent
Lynn
Stephanie Moore-Fuller wrote:
> >
> > Yes, I am a fisher of women. However I throw back all those who are
> > nutso, can't make sense, or contradict themselves within fifteen
> > minutes of making a statement. <heave>
>
> Hmmm. This of course leaves open the question of what you do with the
> women you don't throw back. <ponder the possibilities>
They are many and varied.
Women, gotta love 'em ('cuz they're too big for any saute pan I've
got).*
*Joke alternately applied to the puppies and the teenagers around here.
Lynn
Stephanie Moore-Fuller
Hmmm, teenager, woman, and puppy stew? Sounds like it needs some veggies!
Lynn
Stephanie Moore-Fuller wrote:
>
> Hmmm, teenager, woman, and puppy stew? Sounds like it needs some veggies!
Some days, that would be me.
Lynn
Esclave d'Amour
> M. Shirley Chong wrote:
>> <quietly applauding you and your responses here>
>
> I have to say I'd "ditto" Shirley on that.
>
> More grace than I can muster, I'm sorry to say.
>
> And if one is talking about "Christian spirit" and such ... well, this
> seems a good example of the best.
Thank you, ever so much, to you, and to Shirley, and to Lynn for your
kind comments. Both my Master and I have found ourselves reduced to
tears by your kindness!
I'm no saint. I still get very very cross with people, but try not to
take it out on them (with the exception of people who are gloating about
beating children, and positing that the world would be better if more
people did the same -- they heard the sharp end of my tongue this
evening, not entirely to my advantage. But they didn't get around to
following through on their threat of shoving my head through the window!)
Three years ago I couldn't possibly have just walked away. I'd have had
to escalate stuff, and there are local newsgroups that (to my chagrin)
are full of my invective. The change has been brought about by some
incredibly good people, mainly belonging to the church I didn't believe
in but wanted to believe in then. A soul-friend, who (amusingly enough)
lurks and occasionally posts in arceo; one of the few female friends
I've ever had; my Master; and a few others.
Thank you, so much, from the bottom of my heart, for saying what you
did. It helps, perhaps more than you can imagine.
Renate
Thanks, Troia. I had a wtf! moment, when I read that, myself.
Renate
Lynn
Esclave d'Amour wrote:
> Three years ago I couldn't possibly have just walked away. I'd have had
> to escalate stuff, and there are local newsgroups that (to my chagrin)
> are full of my invective. The change has been brought about by some
> incredibly good people, mainly belonging to the church I didn't believe
> in but wanted to believe in then. A soul-friend, who (amusingly enough)
> lurks and occasionally posts in arceo; one of the few female friends
> I've ever had; my Master; and a few others.
Well, you may be the best example of the good a church can do that I've
yet seen. ;-)
Sometimes I wish I were a nicer person. Sometimes I wish I were a
tougher person. Sometimes I wish I had the nerve to be meaner in real
life, when people treat me badly. I dunno, really.
Lynn
Fnerd Furpet
> On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 18:47:21 -0500, fnordikins <fnord...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>"Christian subbie" is an anagram for "his scabbier unit" "use rabbinic
>> shit" "hi crisis nut babe" "rabbit chin issue" "ethic barb is in us"
>> "hires incubi bats" "I bruise bat chins" "tabu bi crisis hen", and many
>> others.
>
> Are we taking a vote on how to refer to her? My choice would be "his
> scabbier unit."
Not having seen the OP, and only having one set of permanent 'ignore'
items in my scorefile, I presume this is yet another name for SWMNBN.
Given that, I suspect "Hi crisis nut babe" is expressively accurate.
--
Fnerd. Yeah, I got called an F...ing Nerd.
Fnerd_furpet - Remove my blindfold to reply.
Troia
> On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 21:06:10 -0500, I imagined I heard TyMeDwn1st say:
>
>> On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 18:47:21 -0500, fnordikins <fnord...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> "Christian subbie" is an anagram for "his scabbier unit" "use rabbinic
>>> shit" "hi crisis nut babe" "rabbit chin issue" "ethic barb is in us"
>>> "hires incubi bats" "I bruise bat chins" "tabu bi crisis hen", and many
>>> others.
>> Are we taking a vote on how to refer to her? My choice would be "his
>> scabbier unit."
>
> Not having seen the OP, and only having one set of permanent 'ignore'
> items in my scorefile, I presume this is yet another name for SWMNBN.
> Given that, I suspect "Hi crisis nut babe" is expressively accurate.
>
I've done it the lazy way, but:
It's a chubbier sin (or 'tis instead of its)
Is a chubbier snit
Brats bi incise uh?
A rubbish since it
Its urchin babe, is!
A bib incest uh sir
A bib cries tush in
A bib cries shit, nu?
A bi bitch user sin
Is a bitchier snub
Birches us in bait
Is a butch bi siren
OK, there's more, says the lazy girl, but you get the idea.
-- Troia
Nena and Al
<amkemail...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
>There seems to be a
>conflict, still, between TPE and SSBB.
"Conflict" is way too strong a word. TPE raises flags in a lot of
venues because so many who post about it are either speaking purely
from fantasy and supposition about how such a thing work or are
one-true-way-ish jerks. Folks react similarly to Gor for the same
reasons. There are folks who practice these things in a rational and
responsible manner. I'm sure there are some who can articulate that
but they don't come here to talk about it.
There are a lot of kinky discussion venues out there. None of them
are all things to all kinky people. Ssbb is not representative of the
kinky world. It's really not representative of anything. It's a spot
where a small and self-selected group of otherwise unrelated people
come to discuss kinky stuff that interests them. Everyone speaks only
for themselves.
I think that ssbb is a lot more practical and pragmatic venue than
many others because this venue attracts people with real life
experience. That makes it a tough place for online-only folks or
those with no real life experience. They can't spout off a bunch of
silliness without being challenged by folks who've been there and done
that.
>I would appreciate it if people would suspend judgment
>for as long as I am required to be here. Thank you.
If you post, folks are going to respond. You're tossing stuff out
there and asking people for their opinion and you're getting it.
>I am feeling very annoyed and irritated with the way people are
>humiliating me, scorning me, and paying negative attention to me. I
>would leave these groups if allowed to but right now I am commanded to
>stay here, so here I am, like it or not.
You're getting back what you put out there. You've been nastier to
people here than anyone here has been to you. If you want people to
treat you with respect, you have to show them respect. If you want
folks to stop passing judgement on you perhaps you should stop being
so judgmental.
I suspect that this "I must stay here" crap is feeding the fantasy for
you. You're acting like this person is your master, but from what
you've said there is no such relationship. He apparently hasn't
really agreed to converse with you until you can demonstrate some
interpersonal skills here. You're a hell of a long way from doing
that. Perhaps Lynn is right and the person who has commanded you to
stay here wants to see you beat up.
The only other possibility I can see is that this person wants to see
if you really have any awareness of your own behavior or ability to
control it. Again, you're a hell of a long way from doing that.
I don't want to believe that the person who has "commanded" you to
keep trying here is someone who enjoys seeing the newsgroup disrupted
and feels that you are a good tool/toy to accomplish that, but it is a
possibility.
>I am *quite* capable of emotionally and mentally giving consent *and* I
>am of sound mind *and* I understand what it means to be a slave.
I wouldn't argue about the first two, but the last statement is
certainly wrong. You can read a lot about being a slave, talk to
folks about their experiences, think about how the stuff you're
reading and hearing fits in your head, even try it on in the online
world, but you can't understand what it means to be a slave or to be
in a TPE relationship until you've actually experienced it in real
life.
This isn't something that's exclusive to you or to kink. The same
dynamic was present in soapmaking groups I hosted and participated in
years ago, and at my job when we get folks fresh out of school with no
work experience. Folks with real life experience are amused/bemused
by those who claimed to know The Right Way to do something they've
never actually done, because they know that theory just doesn't
prepare one for real life.
>*Please* stop humiliating me, scorning me and paying negative attention
>to me. It *greatly* displeases me. Thank you.
You have a lot of control over your experience here. I suspect that
you like the attention and the opportunity to play victim or you'd
ignore the folks who displease you and find a less antagonistic way to
express yourself.
Nena
All hail Discordia
<amkemail...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
>IrishWinks wrote:
>>
>>
>> Since "that person" cannot require others to relate to you on a
>> personal level, your assignment is finished. Perhaps you could ask
>> "that person" for some pointers on how to improve.
>>
>> Winks
>>
>>
>>
>> *Note email addy is munged. Correct email is irish...@bresnan.net
>>
>That person is reading this group. Frankly I wish I could call this
>whole thing off, but that would be betraying my desire, so here I stay.
>Grumpy and all, storming (outside) and all, (dark at 4:22pm outside)
>and all.
>And can you believe I am going to the evening worship service tonight in
>this *storm*. A dark and stormy night. Phooey.
>I want some chocolate!
whine whine whine.... See you can not even stay on your own topic!
The sun has been setting here at 4:55 ish for the last several weeks!
Further north it sets even earlier. Get a life.
--
Grant
All hail Discordia
>
>Christian subbie wrote:
>
>> What are you talking about? The gentleman in the cassock is the one who
>> asked me to come back in here.
>
>My god, you were right, Renate! For a minute I'd actually thought that
>someone from this group had agreed to be her on-line master.
>
>Lynn
*sigh* Some how I just knew that she was talking about that brain dead
bishop again. I was actually kind of hopping that she had found a real
person to have some sort of a relationship with.
--
Grant
Troia
Hey, I called it before anyone else!
And I also pointed out that she means TC, because he posted that he
would not accept her email but she had to keep communications on-group.
My impression here is that TC, or someone else, really is emailing her
and she assumes it is the bishop (ret). This would go with TC's post
not long ago that said, in essence, "I'm not going to deny I'm Tikhon
again because it does no good to deny it to you."
-- Troia
truly_...@yahoo.com
Troia wrote:
it's not me who is emailing her. if *anyone* is. i think she's fully
delusional at this point.
Troia
> Troia wrote:
...
>> And I also pointed out that she means TC, because he posted that he
>> would not accept her email but she had to keep communications on-group.
>>
>> My impression here is that TC, or someone else, really is emailing her
>> and she assumes it is the bishop (ret). This would go with TC's post
>> not long ago that said, in essence, "I'm not going to deny I'm Tikhon
>> again because it does no good to deny it to you."
>
>
> it's not me who is emailing her. if *anyone* is. i think she's fully
> delusional at this point.
>
Well, that much is good to know, but I do suspect someone is actually
emailing her; it has to do with the way she states the things she is
told to do.
Of course, it would be easy enough also for someone to email *as* "TC",
or as Tikhon for that matter, without it being you.
*sigh* It could even be someone who initially had good intentions,
perhaps to push her into better public behavior, but if that's the case
then obviously it has backfired.
-- Troia
Lynn
All hail Discordia wrote:
>
> *sigh* Some how I just knew that she was talking about that brain dead
> bishop again. I was actually kind of hopping that she had found a real
> person to have some sort of a relationship with.
That poor man. He must go to bed each night shaking his head and
asking himself, "Why me?"
Lynn
Christian subbie
>
>
> it's not me who is emailing her. if *anyone* is. i think she's fully
> delusional at this point.
What is the point of this? I am receiving emails from someone. I have
not named them here nor will I. It is not you and it is not Tikhon. Why
did you do that? I felt that one in my heart that time. Usually I felt
them in my will, but that one, that one was poison dart to my heart and
I feel its poison radiating out through my veins, arteries, and nerves.
What was the purpose of that stab with the poison arrow?
Again, the person who is writing me is not truly_clooful nor is it
vladyka.
Get it?
I never claimed it was.
For the second time _I am not being written to by truly clooful or by
vladyka and I never claimed that *either* of them were writing to me_.
Who writes to me is not your concern.
Troia
Listen, Atlanta, stop being so stubbornly STUPID.
TC did not even remotely do anything to hurt you here; he simply
explained that he was not the one emailing you. Why should it bother
you AT ALL that he made a very clear and simple statement to that effect?
Whether or not you claim it is Tikhon mailing you, you have mentioned
that it is "just" someone more than twice your age who is a clergyman
who you had a breach with 18 months ago who can strip you of your
Christian name and wears a cassock.
Now, granted, that doesn't have to be Tikhon, but you sure seem to want
to make it sound like you think it is him.
-- Troia
Dag
> Whether or not you claim it is Tikhon mailing you, you have mentioned
> that it is "just" someone more than twice your age who is a clergyman
> who you had a breach with 18 months ago who can strip you of your
> Christian name and wears a cassock.
Not only a clergyman, but a senior clergyman who is of higher rank than
your basic rank and file cassock wearing priests.
Dag
Christian subbie
I am sorry I gave you the impression that vladyka was mailing me, that
was a mistake. The person did take away my right to use my Christian
name and I give him that right. I will not use it out of respect for
him, nor will I reply to messages written to my Christian name out of
respect for him. I have told much of my online community about this. I
do not write in Christian groups anymore because of this. I have even
told people in my community about this. More than that I can not reveal
out of respect for other people's privacy.
I am sorry how I made it sound. Making it sound like it was vladyka was
a misfiring of synapses on my part. You know I suffer from depression
due to my PTSD. Depression does affect my biochemistry. I am sorry that
I may have caused vladyka more pain. I only wish him well in his
retirement and hope he finds the happiness he so fully deserves in this
last phase of life. I only wish him the best from the bottom of my
heart. I want for him to be fulfilled.
Again vladyka has not been emailing me.
Christian subbie
emailing me. I hope you accept my words. That is not the name of the
person who is emailing me nor will I reveal his name. I hope everyone
is satisfied now and can drop this matter. It is causing me _great_
grief. Please stop gossiping about it.
Christian subbie
reveal the name of the person who is emailing me. Can we please stop
discussing this now?
I am sorry you think my public behavior has gotten worse.
Endymion
> No body is emailing me as truly_clooful or vladyka and I will not
> reveal the name of the person who is emailing me. Can we please stop
> discussing this now?
We only keep discussing it because *you* keep discussing it. If you
want us to stop, don't say another word about who is e-mailing you or
what you're being e-mailed, and before too long we'll get bored with
the topic and stop talking about it. But if you keep discussing it,
you've got no business complaining that others respond.
The same goes for everything else you've told people to stop
discussing. I don't think anyone here has said a thing about you that
you didn't somehow bring up yourself.
- Endymion
Christian subbie
> >
> > TC did not even remotely do anything to hurt you here; he simply
> > explained that he was not the one emailing you. Why should it bother
> > you AT ALL that he made a very clear and simple statement to that effect?
>
> Illusion shards all over the floor. They cut the feet.
>
> --
> We're the technical experts. We were hired so that management could
> ignore our recommendations and tell us how to do our jobs.
> -- Mike Andrews
Look, I never claimed truly_clooful was emailing me, ever. I do not
wish to discuss him. He has claimed to know a lot about me. I have let
him hurt me. I do not know how to deal with him or relate to him.
By the way, I do not know about TPE or Lifestyle D/s. I have never been
in a TPE relationship nor a D/s relationship and am not in one now. I
feel sick with fear. I do not know why I am being drawn to this
lifestyle. I am terrified of it.
There is no illusion.
I am a recovering codependent and yet I do desire a TPE relationship. I
am facing a lot of obscurity right now. I am not seeking a TPE
relationship because it is not time to seek one yet. And I do believe a
woman should seek a relationship. I believe it will come to her. I do
not know the nature of the relationship that has come to me. It has not
been defined as TPE relationship nor a lifestyle D/s relationship. I am
sorry I gave that impression it had been.
Christian subbie
relate to people who are mean to me. I run away from them. Why wouldn't
I? That is self-preservation which is also _not_ Christian behavior. I
know very little about how to behave as a Christian. Vladyka is still
my teacher in that regard. I still have much to learn from him. Let's
discuss this self-preservation thing _not_ being Christian behavior,
shall we?
Christian subbie
> Lynn come on down:
> thought about one of the other major denominations? They're all pretty much
> the same.")
>
> --
What? Who are they?
Look someone contacted me. I did not contact them. He much to my
_delight_ took the intiative. I believe that a man should take the
initiative and he did. That pleases me! I do not believe the woman
should take the initiative with the man, but I already discussed this.
Christian subbie
mentioned it. That was a _big_ mistake. However, as I stated, someone
who does wear a cassock called me last night, a friend, a friend who is
adverserial to the bishop. It is hard for me to be friends with a
priest who says the bishop is not a bishop. I asked him what he and the
bishop were discussing and he said nothing. Then I asked again and he
said his usual line "the bishop is not a real Orthodox bishop". Sigh.
What more is there to say? Nothing.
I also got a phone call from my friend is a Southern Baptist pastor. He
does not wear a cassock.
Many of my friends in my community are pastors. There is a natural
attraction there. That is ok. That is also a fact.
I did not ask someone from this group to be my online master. If
someone from this group offers to be my online master, that is between
he and I and not he and I and the public.
There is a _lot_ of conflation going on here and this is insane.
Can we talk about the master in Humpty Dumpty? I will pull a quote for
you I wish to discuss and start a new message.
Thanks.