Advice, please, on needle play???
Gazelle123
My Master and I have been talking for some time about moving up the intensity
of some of our play from accupuncture needles to more...um...substantial gauge
needles. We know where and how to get the accupuncture needles, but don't know
of how to go about getting the larger needles. What gauge should one go to?
What are the different effects from the different sizes? Are some needles more
suited for different parts of the body? I have heard that one can buy insulin
needles from a pharmacy here in Florida without a prescription, but I've been
hesitant to try. (I'd just HATE to be accused of something I'm not guilty
of...I doubt that the pharmacist would point his/her finger at me and say "YOU
are buying those in order to have someone stick them into your body all over
and make you HOT! What a sick puppy YOU are!" or something terribly embarrasing
like that...but if he/she wants to know =why= I am purchasing needles without a
prescription, well....)
We really would appreciate any and all information you can give us!
Gazelle
www.mindspring.com/~orlmunch
kelfay
On 10 Mar 1998, Gazelle123 wrote:
>My Master and I have been talking for some time about moving up the intensity
>of some of our play from accupuncture needles to more...um...substantial gauge
>needles. We know where and how to get the accupuncture needles, but don't know
>of how to go about getting the larger needles. What gauge should one go to?
If you can get them from a pharmacy in your area, that is probably the
easiest way. I'm not too up on the restrictions outside of my own area.
A good and reliable source is mail order vet supply places, specifically
ones that carry supplies for horses. The gauges I see are typically
25, 23, 22, 21, 20, and 18. 25ga is on the thin side I would start at
23 and get thicker from there.
>What are the different effects from the different sizes? Are some needles more
>suited for different parts of the body?
I would say that these are subjective concepts, and you'll get different
answers from different people. I like surface piercings in most gauges.
I like nipple piercing most reliably in the 23-to-20 range. Smaller is
better for genitals. Of course, there is more than one person out there
who would find 23ga to be too small to be worth playing, and has
preferences exactly opposite of my own. :)
>I have heard that one can buy insulin
>needles from a pharmacy here in Florida without a prescription, but I've been
>hesitant to try. (I'd just HATE to be accused of something I'm not guilty
>of...I doubt that the pharmacist would point his/her finger at me and say "YOU
>are buying those in order to have someone stick them into your body all over
>and make you HOT! What a sick puppy YOU are!" or something terribly embarrasing
>like that...but if he/she wants to know =why= I am purchasing needles without a
>prescription, well....)
>We really would appreciate any and all information you can give us!
How's this: "Oh, my roommate asked me to pick them up. I guess she'll
have to get them herself."
Have fun!
- Kelly
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JSin
Gazelle123 wrote:
> My Master and I have been talking for some time about moving up the intensity
> of some of our play from accupuncture needles to more...um...substantial gauge
> needles. We know where and how to get the accupuncture needles, but don't know
> of how to go about getting the larger needles. What gauge should one go to?
> What are the different effects from the different sizes?
As you probably know already from your accupuncture needle play the larger the
gauge often the stronger the sensation. My personal preference is for at least 25
ga needles perfering 22 ga. the needles are less prone to deflection so I know
where the pointed part is coming out. For even larger gauges 20 and larger try some
piercing suppliers for example Gauntlet or Dakota steel. You can usually get up to
8 ga there. Piercing needles usually have no collar on them you just get the pin.
This makes them I deal for lacing and temporary nullo play. At these larger gauges
it is helpful to use a cork to recieve the needle on the other side as well as
penninton clamps to keep the tissue from scooting out of the way.
> Are some needles more
> suited for different parts of the body?
A lot of your gauge choice is going to be based on how much you want or can take...
For genital play use smaller gauges and be careful with any play on the head of the
cock there are extreemily vascular areas there that can create big problems if they
are opened up with a fairly large gauge needle.
> I have heard that one can buy insulin
> needles from a pharmacy here in Florida without a prescription, but I've been
> hesitant to try. (I'd just HATE to be accused of something I'm not guilty
> of...I doubt that the pharmacist would point his/her finger at me and say "YOU
> are buying those in order to have someone stick them into your body all over
> and make you HOT! What a sick puppy YOU are!" or something terribly embarrasing
> like that...but if he/she wants to know =why= I am purchasing needles without a
> prescription, well....)
Here in Oregon there is no control on needles too...when I have picked up needles
for play...usually in about 3 different gauges or so, and fairly large quantities
100 plus, the pharmacy has not even asked. The one to time I was I looked the lady
straight in the eye and told her they were to put holes in body parts...Try it the
look you get is worth any embarrassment you may feel...lol.
> We really would appreciate any and all information you can give us!
>
> Gazelle
> www.mindspring.com/~orlmunch
For more info check out the FAQ for alt.rec.bodyarts it is piercing related and
discusses safety issues quite well.
The addy for that faq is:
http://www.landfield.com/faqs/bodyart/piercing-faq/
Enjoy and play safe
--
JSin
The Lost Generation Custom Tattoo and Design
http://www.bigfoot.com/~lostgen
Amoret
kelfay <kel...@access.digex.net> writes:
>If you can get them from a pharmacy in your area, that is probably the
>easiest way. I'm not too up on the restrictions outside of my own area.
>A good and reliable source is mail order vet supply places, specifically
>ones that carry supplies for horses. The gauges I see are typically
Choice Medical Supply in Seattle, Washington. They ship anywhere,
and they are aware of what the needles are being used for (heck, they
have a piercing-oriented catalog) so you don't have to be shy on the
phone. Sorry I don't have the number handy, but information will have
it. (And even odds someone will post it...)
>better for genitals. Of course, there is more than one person out there
>who would find 23ga to be too small to be worth playing, and has
>preferences exactly opposite of my own. :)
*waves to kelfay* I got a whole box of 14ga, now I just need a piercer...
When I want little needles I go have electrolysis. :)
Amoret
amo...@magenta.com
...that she was one of those flash girls...
Scott Dorsey
In article <6e441u$dlp$1...@solaris.cc.vt.edu> amo...@magenta.com (Amoret) writes:
>kelfay <kel...@access.digex.net> writes:
>>If you can get them from a pharmacy in your area, that is probably the
>>easiest way. I'm not too up on the restrictions outside of my own area.
>>A good and reliable source is mail order vet supply places, specifically
>>ones that carry supplies for horses. The gauges I see are typically
>
>Choice Medical Supply in Seattle, Washington. They ship anywhere,
>and they are aware of what the needles are being used for (heck, they
>have a piercing-oriented catalog) so you don't have to be shy on the
>phone. Sorry I don't have the number handy, but information will have
>it. (And even odds someone will post it...)
Let me strongly recommend the rec.arts.bodyart FAQ which has a good section
on play piercing, as well as an extensive amount of information on safety
for piercing in general. It's kind of long, but better too much than too
little.
>When I want little needles I go have electrolysis. :)
Say hello to Wombat for us.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Steven S. Davis
Scott Dorsey (klu...@netcom.com) wrote:
: Let me strongly recommend the rec.arts.bodyart FAQ which has a good section
: on play piercing, as well as an extensive amount of information on safety
: for piercing in general. It's kind of long, but better too much than too
: little.
Cutting and pasting (seems appropriate to the subject of RAB) from
an overlong file:
The rec.arts.bodyart FAQs:
http://www.cs.ruu.nl/wais/html/na-dir/bodyart/.html
The rec.arts.bodyart FAQs can also be found in "The RABbit Hole",
the RAB homepage, to be found at: http://www.eskimo.com/~rab
The Association of Professional Piercers webpage is at:
http://www.sfo.com/~app
Much information on Body Modifications can be found at on the
Body Modification Ezine, the homepage of which is at the URL:
http://www.BME.FreeQ.com/
The soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm FAQ is available from the WWW at:
http://www.unrealities.com/adult/ssbb/faq.htm
The soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm charter is available at:
http://www.mindspring.com/~frites/charter.htm
Both can be found on the SSB Webpage, the URL of which is:
http://www.phszx81.demon.co.uk/ssb/
The "Welcome to ASB !", almost all of which applies to SSB,
can be found at:
http://www.mindspring.com/~frites/wel.htm
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Steven S. Davis * s...@magenta.com * sdup...@delphi.com * ssd...@ot.com
http://links.magenta.com/lmnop/intro.html (go to Kinky page, Users section)
Bjarne D Mathiesen
1) Insulin Needles:
These are probably not the kind you would like to use for playing: too short
and not heavy enough in the gauge
2) The Nosy Pharmacist:
Just tell a white lie. If the needles do have a proper medical usage, simply
say this is the reason for you buying them. (Here in Danmark they aren't
nosy). Now, I do know that some builders of model airplane and the likes use
syringes and needles for the glue?
3) Needle Gauge & Length
You will probably like to get an assortment of neddles in different lengths
and gauges. Depending on where, how and the intended effect both in the pain
and viual department the size and gauge will wary. But the longer the needle,
the thicker the needle needed due to stability. I once got some 0.40mm x 70mm,
and they are very flexible and hard to control.
--
Master D (Bjarne D Mathiesen) cand. homo sap. & cand. sex sadist
København ; Danmark ; Europa ***** your Pain, My Pleasure *****
The Happy Piranha
This is a repost of something that I just posted, but this thread is a
better place for it and I don't know how to cancel the other one. Could
a more computerish type fill me in on that issue?
As for needle stuff:
1. Before you withdraw the needle, place a small dab of antibiotic
ointment (like Neosporin) around the needle at the point that the tip
exits the skin. That will draw a bit of the ointment into and through
the wound which helps to minimize the risk of infection from something
that is dragged back into the hole when you remove the needle. The best
way to do this is with a cotton swab or popsicle stick.
One caution on antibiotic ointments: Some people are allergic to them.
Use betadine ointment as a 100% adequate substitute.
2. Some people put a smear of antibiotic ointment on a tongue depressor
and then roll the needle in the ointment prior to insertion. This
lubricates the needle and allows it to slide in smoothly. The problem
is that it greatly reduces the sensation of piercing since there is less
friction between the needle and the flesh & skin. Since the sensation
is one of the big thrills of the practice, I don't see the point to
this.
3. Needle diameter: It is OK to use larger gauge needles. 20 gauge is
big for some folks. I never go larger than 18 gauge for play piercings,
but I save them for the grand finale and only use them with a really
rugged, gung-ho sub. 22 to 24 gauge seems about right for general use.
26 gauge are OK for warm-ups or for someone's first play-piercing
scene. I think that 28 gauge are too small. If you use needles that
are too small then they don't feel anything. I once put pair of 18
gauge needles vertically through a lovely pair of female nipples. She
loved it and it caused no problems at all, but her nipples are quite
large and are accustomed to rough use. Most men don't have enough flesh
to handle such a large diameter needle through the nipple itself. I
have safety concerns about very small diameter needles. They are more
likely to bend or break when forced through very tough skin, like some
folks have on their nipples.
4. Needle length: 1 1/4 inch to 1 1/2 inches is perfect. 2 inchers can
be fun if you can get 'em. Much longer ones are available and have
their own nefarious uses.
5. Scrub your hands and the area to be pierced with betadine surgical
scrub and swab with betadine disinfectant before the scene. You can
clean the betadine off a bit with alcohol before you start, but leave
the skin a bit reddish from the betadine. The top should wear exam
gloves and be careful not to stick themselves.
6. Ethanol (ethyl alcohol - grain alcohol) is a better disinfectant
than methanol or isopropynol, which are the alcohols normally used as
disinfectants. The reason that ethyl is not used is that it is very
expensive because you have to pay liquor taxes on it. Since methyl and
isopropyl are poisonous, they have foul-tasting stuff added to them to
keep people from drinking it. The taste remains for a long time on
anything that the alcohol gets on. This can be a drag. I buy grain
alcohol for play piercing and other such activities. You can buy
pharmaceutical grade grain alcohol at most liquor stores (one common
brand is Everclear). Grain alcohol is 5% water (190 proof). You want
to add enough water to make it about 30% water before you use it as a
disinfectant because pure alcohol is not as good a disinfectant as
alcohol with some water in it. That is why rubbing alcohol is 30%
water. What happens is that pure alcohol sucks all of the water out of
the bacteria and puts them into suspended animation but an alcohol-water
mix gets absorbed and poisons the little devils.
I've never had a sub get an infection. (Typed as he knocks loudly on
the oak desk!)
As for buying them: In some states you can buy them legally and in some
states you can't. I live in Texas where you can buy them legally, but
they often won't sell 'em to me. If at first you don't succeed...
Enjoy,
The Happy Piranha
sia...@newsguy.com
In article <350B28F6...@earthlink.net>, The says...
*snip*
>As for needle stuff:
>
>1. Before you withdraw the needle, place a small dab of antibiotic
>ointment (like Neosporin) around the needle at the point that the tip
>exits the skin. That will draw a bit of the ointment into and through
>the wound which helps to minimize the risk of infection from something
>that is dragged back into the hole when you remove the needle. The best
>way to do this is with a cotton swab or popsicle stick.
*snip*
>Enjoy,
>
>The Happy Piranha
I find myself getting more and more morbidly fascinated with needles and
nipples. I test myself by trying to see one entering my nipple. Urg! Not
something I would try on my own. But something I might subject myself to ...
with the right person.
Why do I have this fear of skin being cut or needles entering it ? I usually
look at needles entering my veins drawing blood for testing without wincing.
What is the difference with needle entering the nipple?
I can endure the thought of skin being whipped till blood flow more easily than
sharp edge of knife lightly cutting skin...
Sian
Joe Zeff
sia...@newsguy.com wrote:
>Why do I have this fear of skin being cut or needles entering it ? I usually
>look at needles entering my veins drawing blood for testing without wincing.
>What is the difference with needle entering the nipple?
>
Interesting that you mention this. I learned many years ago that
injections and blood samples don't hurt as much if you don't watch.
If you watch, you know just when the needle's going in, and the
anticipation makes it worse. If you look away, the puncture comes as
a surprise, and it's over before you really realize it. As the point
of needle play is the pain, I'd suggest having the subject watching,
to get the best results. (The last is theory only; I'd appreciate
feedback from thosw with experience.)
---
Joe Zeff
The Guy With the Sideburns
If you can't play with words, what good are they?
http://www.lasfs.org
The Happy Piranha
Joe Zeff wrote:
> ... As the point
> of needle play is the pain, I'd suggest having the subject watching,
> to get the best results. (The last is theory only; I'd appreciate
> feedback from those with experience.)
Absolutely have them watch, but not so much for the pain. The
psychodrama is 95% of any bloodsport and especially for play piercing.
If you're going to put needles into an area that is hard to see, then
have a mirror handy to show them what you have done to them. I like to
tie them up in a very exposed position for the scene. Good lighting is
important for the piercer, and it provides added stimulation for the
piercee.
For years I have wanted to get a stainless steel mirror to use at
parties. It would be safer than glass with a bunch of people around.
You can buy them from places that supply plumbing and other fixtures to
institutions, bars etc.. These mirrors actually have polished stainless
steel reflecting surfaces.
Enjoy,
The Happy Piranha