Medical Question: Ben Gay/Icy Hot on balls
Ron DomSub
putting Ben Gay or Icy/Hot on my balls causes. I was wondering if anyone could
provide me with some information about the effects/dangers from a medical
perspective. Pain is after all the body's way on warning you that something is
wrong. The question came to my mind after using Icy/Hot and encountering a
great deal of pain. The intensity of it (much nastier than Ben Gay) made me
wonder about damage. If it is medically safe then that would be great (to be
made to just endure it). Can anyone speak about this from a medically informed
position?
"Is there a Dermatologist in the house?" I would appreciate a response by
e-mail but I will also check the NG. RonD...@AOL.com
Speak softly and carry a big crop.
Drmacgrego
>putting Ben Gay or Icy/Hot on my balls
> Can anyone speak about this from a medically informed
>position?
The danger here lies in possible damage to your sperm. Both of the external
balms you are usingcause an increased blood flow to the area via vessel
dilation. Sperm produced in the testes moves out for storage into the
epididymis gland where the sperm change from nonmotile to motile (can now
"swim") then they move into the Vas Deferens (long tube up to back of penis)
and are stored then in the Ampulla of the Vas at the base of the penis awaiting
ejaculation. The sperm are VERY heat sensative and the epididymis, Vas ans
Ampulla are all exposed structures suspended in the scrotum Thus your
increasing the heat can damage the sperm. Complete details of all use//side
effects of both Ben Gay (Pfitzer Pharmiceuticals) and Icy-Hot (Richardson-Vicks
Pharm.) are available in the PDR For Non-Prescription Drugs (Medical Economics
publisher) . These PDRs are available in most larger book stores. ----Or wipe
the ointment off your hands and let your fingers do the walking in the yellow
pages to local book stores<GG>. "Please read before Play"-----though no serious
dreadful damage is noted in moderate usages. Hope this helps and please note
that Dermatology is not my specialty--for the record.......Best Regards, DrMac
Jim K
>randomsub writes:
>>putting Ben Gay or Icy/Hot on my balls
>
>> Can anyone speak about this from a medically informed
>>position?
>
>snip
Thus your
>increasing the heat can damage the sperm. Complete details of all use//side
>effects of both Ben Gay (Pfitzer Pharmiceuticals) and Icy-Hot (Richardson-Vicks
>Pharm.) are available in the PDR For Non-Prescription Drugs (Medical Economics
>publisher) .
That is heat as in temperature. Ben Gay doesn't actually "heat"
anything.
I got one them stupid * in my name
Jim Kajpust - Personal Freedoms - Michigan
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>anything.
>
The reason the testicals hang away form the body is because sperm is very heat
sensitive. To the point that a hot bath, fever, or even wearing tight pants
can kill sperm. The testies are around 3 to 4 degrees cooler that the tempature
of the body( ever notice they hang low in hot weather and pull up tight in cold
weather, this is to control tempature). Thus the increased blood flow could
raise the tempature in the scrotum enough to do damage to the sperm inside.
BTW the use of Ben Gay etc along with a heating pad can be very dangerous on
any part of the body, as it causes poisoning of the tissues in the affected
area.
Dragonmaster
> The reason the testicals hang away form the body is because sperm is
very heat
> sensitive. To the point that a hot bath, fever, or even wearing tight
pants
> can kill sperm.
Some added bullshit to this good stuff.
wearing jockey shorts has been shown in some men to be a good as
sterilization.
Brains also are heat sensitive, which is why there is no fat cover over
the brain.
85% of your body heat is thrown out from the brain or top of your head.
If you doubt me take a look at a picture of the sumo wrestler who used to
be called Konishiki (he retired a few weeks ago and changed his name).
Or any other mega-fat person yuou see on the street. the fat goes right
up to the middle of their face but top of head is fat free.
As to Ben Gay, I recommend Tiger Balm and Tiger Oil. But I live in the
orient and they are sold everywhere here.
The Dragonmaster
z...@mitene.or.jp
Spyral Fox
(Dragonmaster) writes:
>> The reason the testicals hang away form the body is because sperm is very
heat
>> sensitive.
Actually, there are a group of muscles that exist just to raise
& lower the testes, and the distance is to keep them as close
to possible to the ideal temperature for human sperm production.
In other animals, testes are located in different places, and
there is a different ideal temperature. In rock hyraxes, for example,
they are completely internal.
>> To the point that a hot bath, fever, or even wearing tight pants
>> can kill sperm.
This is actually a function of an increased number of immature or
abnormal sperm, not because of the sperm being dead. It also
corrects rapidly, because of the fact that sperm production has
a tendency to go for speed, not accuracy. The average human
male has about 10% abnormal sperm. When that gets up to
25%, fertility begins to be affected. Males need to have a certain
threshold of normal, healthy sperm because so many do not make
it -- only about 0.01% make it to the point of being a baby (but,
hey, only 42% of the ova exposed to sperm become normal [1]
kids). Some sperm die on contact in the vagina, some get lost
in the cervix, half thosethat get through the uterus (more losses)
choose the wrong oviduct, and then when they do get to the egg
she is coated with a bunch of other cells from the ovary, connective
tissues, etc. and it takes a certain number of acrosomes
sacrified before a lucky sperm gets through the weakened outer
covering. The upshot is that while a certain lower threshold
is needed to ensure the possibility of conception, there are also
enough sperm released in any ejaculate from a man without a
vasectomy that using the sauna as a birth control method is
just plain stupid.
>Some added bullshit to this good stuff.
>
>wearing jockey shorts has been shown in some men to be a good as
>sterilization.
The key here being, as mentioned above, that it will only affect
SOME men, those who already may have been borderline for
normal sperm production, that it's readily reversible (unlike real
sterilization) and the reversal only takes a week or so, and MOST
importantly IMO it is NOT a reliable form of birth control even in
men who have 25%+ abnormal sperm.
>Brains also are heat sensitive, which is why there is no fat cover over
>the brain.
:::Snort:::: The white matter in the brain is all fat.
>85% of your body heat is thrown out from the brain or top of your head.
Incorrect. A more reliable measurement is 60 - 75%, and it is
not because of the matabilic activity only.
>If you doubt me take a look at a picture of the sumo wrestler who used to
>be called Konishiki (he retired a few weeks ago and changed his name).
You could use the same argument on hands and feet. Heads do get fat.
They accumulate less than the abdomen, hips & thighs, but any forensic
artist who specializes in recreating people's appearances can tell you
in great detail about fat pads on the face and on the back of the head.
While you are correct in that thermoregulation centers are found in the
brain, the human brain is not damaged by heat until it raises several
degrees above normal temperature -- it is FAR less heat sensitive than
sperm production, and starts to suffer damage only at about the same
point as other body systems.
>Or any other mega-fat person yuou see on the street. the fat goes right
>up to the middle of their face but top of head is fat free.
Oh, yeah, ands we're all bald, too. Hair is a great insulator, you know.
If we had it on the tops of our heads, we would undoubtably have a
problem shedding all that extra heat.[2]
Seriously, the main way we cool our head is by way of the blood.
There is actually a slight difference in the temperature of the blood
going up the carotids and coming down in the jugular, according
to several of the physiology books I have here. One of our physicians
can correct me if their research is dated, I am sure, since we have
at least a couple of people here like Dr. Mac who have finished med
school and others who are *in* it.
>As to Ben Gay, I recommend Tiger Balm and Tiger Oil. But I live in the
>orient and they are sold everywhere here.
And that I'll keep out of, because I don't really have any interest in
examining the effect of any of these things on people. I don't really
see the point; although, from what others have said, I get the impression
that applying them to the nether bits can have an effect; I've put some
tiger balm right on my clitoris, and didn't notice any effect other than
a little itching. I do, however, understand that other people find it
very painful.
[1] as opposed to failing to develop at all, failing to implant in the
uterus, failing to make it through to a live birth, or having clear,
obvious, diagnosed chromosomal or teratogenic abnormalities
noted by the age of one year. If you look closely enough, you'll
see that there is no-one who conforms to the standard blueprint
in all ways.
[2] Since the surface of the head is not primarily used for cooling,
but merely radiates heat due to the activity in the brain, this is not
a big deal for most of us. If we wear a heavy hat over long hair
coiled up, and tie it down with a scarf, all that happens is that our
peripherial blood vessels dilate more. It would be sorta interesting if
we did have to depend on radiating heat from the skull to cool it,
since we would probably end up with some neato spikes and stuff
projecting as cooling fins.
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>
> In article <zip-110898...@mxtsu128.mitene.or.jp>, z...@mitene.or.jp
> (Dragonmaster) writes:
>
> >Brains also are heat sensitive, which is why there is no fat cover over
> >the brain.
>
> :::Snort:::: The white matter in the brain is all fat.
>
> >85% of your body heat is thrown out from the brain or top of your head.
>
> Incorrect. A more reliable measurement is 60 - 75%, and it is
> not because of the matabilic activity only.
>
> but merely radiates heat due to the activity in the brain, this is not
> a big deal for most of us. If we wear a heavy hat over long hair
> coiled up, and tie it down with a scarf, all that happens is that our
> peripherial blood vessels dilate more. It would be sorta interesting if
> we did have to depend on radiating heat from the skull to cool it,
> since we would probably end up with some neato spikes and stuff
> projecting as cooling fins.
> take care,
Actually, the reason your body loses so much heat from the head is that
your metabolism is geared to keep your head warm. It's a cold weather
adaptation.[1] Your body will sacrifice your other extremities in order
to keep your brain warm enough to function. The head is entirely the
wrong shape to act as a radiating surface. The closer an object is to
being spherical, the better it is at *retaining* heat.
[1] An extreme cold adaptation can be seen on the classical neanderthal
skull. That heavy facial structure is not solid bone. It's
filled with sinuses that channel air that has warmed by the lungs
to the area around the eyes. This helped keep the eyes from
freezing.
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Fnord Prefect Fnord (the little blue guy)
: Actually, there are a group of muscles that exist just to raise
: & lower the testes, and the distance is to keep them as close
: to possible to the ideal temperature for human sperm production.
So that's why so many men are obsessed with lifting weights.
Thorobreds
Anatomy question here:
Are these the same muscles that men use to wiggle their ears?
Maggie
Drmacgrego
>That is heat as in temperature. Ben Gay doesn't actually "heat"
>anything.
>
>
Jim, please reread post describing the increased heat caused by the increased
blood flow caused by the ointments discussed caused by the application to
the.......Regards, DrMac
Drmacgrego
>Anatomy question here:
>
>Are these the same muscles that men use to wiggle their ears?
No -but when used during oral sex--they could wiggle yours !!!(LOL-LOL).
.......Best Regards, DrMac
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spyr...@aol.com (Spyral Fox) wrote:
Somone writes:
> >> To the point that a hot bath, fever, or even wearing tight pants
> >> can kill sperm.
> This is actually a function of an increased number of immature or
> abnormal sperm, not because of the sperm being dead. It also
> corrects rapidly, because of the fact that sperm production has
> a tendency to go for speed, not accuracy.
Do you have an idea of how long it takes to correct - i.e. how long do the
sperm live?
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> In article <199808111448...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
> spyr...@aol.com (Spyral Fox) wrote:
> Somone writes:
> > >> To the point that a hot bath, fever, or even wearing tight pants
> > >> can kill sperm.
>
> > This is actually a function of an increased number of immature or
> > abnormal sperm, not because of the sperm being dead. It also
> > corrects rapidly, because of the fact that sperm production has
> > a tendency to go for speed, not accuracy.
>
> Do you have an idea of how long it takes to correct - i.e. how long do the
> sperm live?
Isn't it something like 48 hours? Or is that only outside the body?
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