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Seth J. Fogarty

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Haha! I have returned, for now. I've been to Canada and back, gotten far
too much girl's clothing, played far too much Diablo II (as a
non-summoning necromancer. I AM a massochist), and decided to post.

1, 3, 4, 5 are fluff
2 is mostly fluff, but vaguely relevant
6 and 7 are actual questions.
8 and 9 relate to s.s.b-b

1)
You know you're a kinky geek when:
You use small locks to hold down the D key to get rid of the 3500 messages
on S.S.B-B.

2)
About the subbie thing: could it be possible he was refering to a specific
type of bottom/sub/etc? To me, subbie calls up a definate image of a
regressive, cuddly, tactile, gentle submissive, with overtones of
hyperactivity... but that might just be beacuse I'm a regressive, cuddly,
tacti.... ooo, shiny...

3) Winter is coming. yAAAAY! Mumification season! (duct tape in the summer
just does NOT work.)

4) Anyone wanna contrinbute to the 'get sethie a Pain Slut t-shirt' fund?

5) Earthdawn is back! (You want a masochsitic experience? try finding a
group for an obscure, out of print, fantasy RPG that uses fifty billion
different types of dice)

6) I WANT LASER HAIR REMOVAL! I've talked about this on the local Boi
mailing list, and it seems that it's going to cost me 3000$ or so for my
face alone, in about five treatments, nevermind the cost of legs, arms,
and other sundry bits. Anyone haev any experience?

7) Anyone know if it's possible to get the back of your neck pierced? Keep
in mind I'm ona those skinny folk with a pretty bony neck.

8) seems I missed a vampirism thread. Was it any good?

9) I have a theory: Shermie is a secret plant by Bill Gates to draw
attention away from the trial..

Seth Fogarty bipsum

Trusting my soul to the ice cream assassin


Janet Miles

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Seth J. Fogarty <sfog...@students.uiuc.edu> wrote:

> 7) Anyone know if it's possible to get the back of your neck pierced? Keep
> in mind I'm ona those skinny folk with a pretty bony neck.

I have seen pictures (I think on the BME site, but I wouldn't swear to that)
of back-of-neck piercings. I don't know what's involved in them, though.

Welcome back, by the way -- I've missed your posts and was just thinking
about you the other day.

JanetM
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LadyGold

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On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 04:35:16 -0500, "Seth J. Fogarty"
<sfog...@students.uiuc.edu> wrote:

>About the subbie thing: could it be possible he was refering to a specific
>type of bottom/sub/etc? To me, subbie calls up a definate image of a
>regressive, cuddly, tactile, gentle submissive, with overtones of
>hyperactivity... but that might just be beacuse I'm a regressive, cuddly,
>tacti.... ooo, shiny...

<grinning> Welcome back, my favorite blush target.

For those of you who have arrived since Seth has been gone, he has
this wonderfully incredible blush reaction to just about anything.
Now, I'm not a Domme, but I do have this barely perceptible tendency
(TM- PtF) to enjoying watching a cute young fella blush. <eg>

Who says submissives can't be sadists?

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Kristal

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In article <Pine.GSO.4.10.10007...@ux13.cso.uiuc.edu>,

"Seth J. Fogarty" <sfog...@students.uiuc.edu> wrote:

Boi
> mailing list,

What is a Boi?

Kristal

NBarnes

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"Seth J. Fogarty" wrote:

> Haha! I have returned, for now. I've been to Canada and back,
> gotten far too much girl's clothing, played far too much Diablo II
> (as a non-summoning necromancer. I AM a massochist), and decided to
> post.

I burned out quick on D2. It has _no_ depth and the class balance
is _abysmal_. The top of the ladder is _all_ about necros and
barbarians. The other classes can't even come close to the efficiency.
I'm going back to Everquest.
It had, like, what, 12 hours of play before beating the game? That's
awful, your average Final Fantasy has about 30-40 hours. And the
strategic pacing sucked. It has some great, innovative design elements,
but the fundamental play experience is only good for a very short while,
in my experience. And while I'm convinced that Blizzard _will_
eventually fix the problem, bat.net is a _nightmare_ right now. Go
ahead, play a closed character. I dare you. You think non-summoning
necros are painful? Just _try_ to create a game.
Non-summoning necros, though... dang. Yes, you are a masochist.

> 5) Earthdawn is back! (You want a masochsitic experience? try finding a
> group for an obscure, out of print, fantasy RPG that uses fifty billion
> different types of dice)

I always loved Earthdawn. The system was passable (I'm ever
increasingly drawn to systemless roleplaying. The combats, among other
things, tend to be _much_ more satisfying), but I loved the background.
Great reasons to have actual dungeons filled with treasures and
horrible... well, Horrors.

> 6) I WANT LASER HAIR REMOVAL! I've talked about this on the local Boi
> mailing list, and it seems that it's going to cost me 3000$ or so for my
> face alone, in about five treatments, nevermind the cost of legs, arms,
> and other sundry bits. Anyone haev any experience?

I keep looking at this (I'm hairier than I'd like), but lasers aren't
permanent, from everything I've read. I'm waiting for something
better. Someday. *sigh*

NBarnes

Spyral Fox

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In article <ahs2osk82j9p0tjc0...@4ax.com>, Frites
<fri...@address.below> writes:

> Is that really what you want? An expensive and non-permananent
>technique? See http://www.tsroadmap.com/hair/haircompare.html
>which says, "no one has reported verifiable permanent hair removal
>using any method other than electrolysis". This site also has
>lots of other information.

Hmmm... from what I recall of the medlit (don't have the right
computer here to check) the lasar process is showing results
that are roughly equivalent to electrolysis. It sitll takes multiple
sessions, there is still some grow-back after a treatment of
hairs whose roots were not quite killed. And, of course, the
lasar method is (currently) more expensive than electrolysis.
Anyone have anything around where they can look it up?

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slave kat

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I talked to a friend of mine who's heavily into piercings... she says the
back of the neck is usually avoided because it's far too close to the spine
and a bunch of nerves that you REALLY need.

slave kat
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Seth J. Fogarty

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On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Frites wrote:

> "Seth J. Fogarty" <sfog...@students.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>

> >6) I WANT LASER HAIR REMOVAL! I've talked about this on the local Boi
> >mailing list, and it seems that it's going to cost me 3000$ or so for my
> >face alone, in about five treatments, nevermind the cost of legs, arms,
> >and other sundry bits. Anyone haev any experience?
>

> Is that really what you want? An expensive and non-permananent
> technique? See http://www.tsroadmap.com/hair/haircompare.html
> which says, "no one has reported verifiable permanent hair removal
> using any method other than electrolysis". This site also has
> lots of other information.

um. well, people have reported non-recurrance of hair, but since it hasn't
been around long enough to be offically called "permanent', they it's not.
But, using Andogen (spelling bad), I know people who're still hairless
after 4 years. THe expensive part is what's killing me.

Seth J. Fogarty

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On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Frites wrote:

> technique? See http://www.tsroadmap.com/hair/haircompare.html

er, at doesn't work...


Seth J. Fogarty

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On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Janet Miles wrote:

> Seth J. Fogarty <sfog...@students.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>

> > 7) Anyone know if it's possible to get the back of your neck pierced? Keep
> > in mind I'm ona those skinny folk with a pretty bony neck.
>
> I have seen pictures (I think on the BME site, but I wouldn't swear to that)
> of back-of-neck piercings. I don't know what's involved in them, though.
>
> Welcome back, by the way -- I've missed your posts and was just thinking
> about you the other day.

eeep! Now you're gonna make me fell all guilty.
but, but, it was diablo ii!

and that's www.bme.com? I think? anyone?

Seth J. Fogarty

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On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, LadyGold wrote:

> <grinning> Welcome back, my favorite blush target.
>
> For those of you who have arrived since Seth has been gone, he has
> this wonderfully incredible blush reaction to just about anything.
> Now, I'm not a Domme, but I do have this barely perceptible tendency
> (TM- PtF) to enjoying watching a cute young fella blush. <eg>
>

All right... and for the LAST GODAAMN TIME! I DO NOT BLUSH!
I sunburn. Indoors. At night. When I'm stressed. And I heal quickly. THIS
IS NOT BLUSHING.
:grumble grumble:
:sunburn:

Who says submissives can't be sadists?

Bewsare, lest I be forced to break open a can of rubber-band whupass on
you. (anyone tell I got a new batch of rubber-band guns?)

Seth J. Fogarty

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On 28 Jul 2000, Kristal wrote:

> In article <Pine.GSO.4.10.10007...@ux13.cso.uiuc.edu>,


> "Seth J. Fogarty" <sfog...@students.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>

> Boi
> > mailing list,
>
> What is a Boi?

AKA Nancy boy, femmy boy. It's not my fault all the pretty cllothign is
made for girls (and yet strangely fits an underweight, hipsless,
breastless male. Go figure.) General term for someone who dresses in
"women's" clothing and/or wears makeup and/or is femining/effimenate, but
isn't transgendered or a crossdresser. (Although maintaining an
adnrogynous/confusing appearance is usually a goal.)

please excuse the spelling, lag to the unix server that hosts my email.

Seth J. Fogarty

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On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, NBarnes wrote:

> "Seth J. Fogarty" wrote:
>
> > Haha! I have returned, for now. I've been to Canada and back,
> > gotten far too much girl's clothing, played far too much Diablo II
> > (as a non-summoning necromancer. I AM a massochist), and decided to
> > post.
>
> I burned out quick on D2. It has _no_ depth and the class balance
> is _abysmal_. The top of the ladder is _all_ about necros and
> barbarians. The other classes can't even come close to the efficiency.
> I'm going back to Everquest.

not anymore :) necro's got revive killed (35 mana instead of 1), and, well
sorcerors and paladins are seriously coming into their own. Necros are the
favorite, no doubt, and everyone likes barbarians, but they aren't
necesarilly overpowered, especially in a group.

> It had, like, what, 12 hours of play before beating the game? That's
> awful, your average Final Fantasy has about 30-40 hours

Well, I'm not that good :) and keep starting over. But I never likd the
Final Fantasies. Too much of a linear plot, too little in-combat strategy
for me. I'm mouch more of a fan of Daggerfall/Baldur's Gate/etc type
games. Diabl o is a vice for me... I can admit it's damn-near impossible
to acctually roleplay, and I can admit that the plot is linear and
directed and stuff, but I just enjoy it. Dunno.

. And the
> strategic pacing sucked. It has some great, innovative design elements,
> but the fundamental play experience is only good for a very short while,
> in my experience. And while I'm convinced that Blizzard _will_
> eventually fix the problem, bat.net is a _nightmare_ right now. Go
> ahead, play a closed character. I dare you. You think non-summoning
> necros are painful? Just _try_ to create a game.

:nods: yeah. it's getting better, but I'm still lpaying mostly open
characters.

> Non-summoning necros, though... dang. Yes, you are a masochist.

Curses. I love curses. And, well, summoning in an mplayer game... I could
be a barbarian adn be more effective than a golem, and have more fun. It's
all about the curses.

> > 5) Earthdawn is back! (You want a masochsitic experience? try finding
a
> > group for an obscure, out of print, fantasy RPG that uses fifty billion
> > different types of dice)
>
> I always loved Earthdawn. The system was passable (I'm ever
> increasingly drawn to systemless roleplaying. The combats, among other
> things, tend to be _much_ more satisfying), but I loved the background.
> Great reasons to have actual dungeons filled with treasures and
> horrible... well, Horrors.

Much agreement about systemless or minimal system rping, but yes... the
history of earthdawn was great. I mean, they even had group pattersn... a
REASON for a party to stay together, and, I dunno, it's just such a great
background, and it has all these nice touches, and it isn't just hack and
slash... you have to worry about corruption, and who the good guys are,
and and it's nice.

> > 6) I WANT LASER hAIR REMOVAL! I've talked about this on the local Boi


> > mailing list, and it seems that it's going to cost me 3000$ or so for my
> > face alone, in about five treatments, nevermind the cost of legs, arms,
> > and other sundry bits. Anyone haev any experience?
>

> I keep looking at this (I'm hairier than I'd like), but lasers aren't
> permanent, from everything I've read. I'm waiting for something
> better. Someday. *sigh*

well... I dunno. Some of the recent ones are damn-near permanent, at least
for 3-5 years. I'm going to wait for it o get better, and cheaper, but I
think there is one kind which is close to being verified perm.

Seth J. Fogarty

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On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, slave kat wrote:

> I talked to a friend of mine who's heavily into piercings... she says the
> back of the neck is usually avoided because it's far too close to the spine
> and a bunch of nerves that you REALLY need.

but what is the actual risk Is there a chance of nerve damage? I've only
heard of nerve dmage through piercing when the metal passed righ through
the area the nerves were running through, and there was infection. In
this case, it would be passing outsie the area? Is there a chance of
damage? A thin surface piercing?
OTOH, if it rejects, oooow

puppygirl

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Try checking the archives of the Howard Stern show from last summer.
A young lady from NYC who owns a lasar studio was a guest with some of her
clients. They seem to have a guarantee that after 3 treatment of lasar that
uses fluctuating bandwidth, you will be hair free forever or they will
re-treat or return your $$$.
pup


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Laura Antoniou

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"Seth J. Fogarty" sfog...@students.uiuc.edu wrote:
<< > What is a Boi?

AKA Nancy boy, femmy boy. It's not my fault all the pretty cllothign is made
for girls (and yet strangely fits an underweight, hipsless, breastless male. Go
figure.) General term for someone who dresses in
"women's" clothing and/or wears makeup and/or is femining/effimenate, but isn't
transgendered or a crossdresser. (Although maintaining an adnrogynous/confusing
appearance is usually a goal.) >>

Well, that's interesting. My first introduction to the word spelled that way
was in reference to a female bodied, but masculine identified submissive, a
woman who was a 'boy', in the sense of a Daddy/boy relationship, but wanted to
stress that she was not transitioning to male or male from birth.
Laura


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In article <20000728121605...@nso-bh.aol.com>,
spyr...@aol.com (Spyral Fox) wrote:

the lasar process is showing results
> that are roughly equivalent to electrolysis.

*************
Lasers?! *cringing* There are juust some areas I don't think a laser
should be pointed at. Is it just me or does the thought bother anyone
else?

Miss Kitty

Velvet Wood

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"Seth J. Fogarty" <sfog...@students.uiuc.edu> writes:

> Well, I'm not that good :) and keep starting over. But I never likd the
> Final Fantasies. Too much of a linear plot, too little in-combat strategy
> for me. I'm mouch more of a fan of Daggerfall/Baldur's Gate/etc type
> games. Diabl o is a vice for me... I can admit it's damn-near impossible
> to acctually roleplay, and I can admit that the plot is linear and
> directed and stuff, but I just enjoy it. Dunno.

We just got the last Final Fantasy, and while it's absolutely beautiful,
it's extremely aggravating to not have control over our character. Especially
since the character is invariably a total asshole. I like *real* role-playing
games where if your character/s decide to kill something it's because you
chose for them to do so, not because the game mechanics can't handle anything
other than a static plot. Have y'all tried the Might and Magic series of
games? They're *very* nice first person view/multiple character party
type games. Nice enough graphics too. Maybe a bit too easy if you have
patience, but definately fun. I also really like Heroes of Might and Magic...
set in the same world but a strategy game rather than a role playing game.
Build armies, direct them in turn-based combat, develop your defenses,
that sort of thing. All of them are very economical, IMO. Might and Magic
VII and VIII both gave us about 20-40 hours of solid play time, and we didn't
even do all of the optional quests. Heroes with the 'Armegeddon's Blade'
expansion pack has given us over 40 already and we're not finished with it
yet.

Velvet

Fox

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"Seth J. Fogarty" <sfog...@students.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, slave kat wrote:
>
> > I talked to a friend of mine who's heavily into piercings... she says
the
> > back of the neck is usually avoided because it's far too close to the
spine
> > and a bunch of nerves that you REALLY need.

well that's true but it comes down to the skill of the piercer doing it as
to whether it can be done or not, as long as your anatomy will support it.

> but what is the actual risk Is there a chance of nerve damage? I've only
> heard of nerve dmage through piercing when the metal passed righ through
> the area the nerves were running through, and there was infection. In
> this case, it would be passing outsie the area? Is there a chance of
> damage? A thin surface piercing?
> OTOH, if it rejects, oooow

well it's a surface (not a deep tissue) piercing and in an area that doesn't
have much slack skin (like my neck unfortunately) it's likely to reject. You
will need a proper surface bar (if your piercer comes out with a steel ring
or straight BB and says, "oh this should be ok" run like hell :)
As it's a surface piercing the risk of rejection is high, especially if you
wear high necked tops and/or a collar lots cos anything that rubs or
irritates the area just encourages the body to reject it.
There's not much risk of nerve damage as long as your piercer checks very
carefully when they clamp you. If when they clamp your skin you feel
numbness or tingling or anything like that then there's prolly a nerve
involved in the clamping. Get them to shift the clamps til it doesn't
involve anything nervy.
It may well be that you are not suited for this piercing (nape).
If you have a look at BME (www.bme.freeq.com) there are 78 pics (as well as
text experiences) of neck piercings, either front or back of the neck and
that can help you decide if it's right for you.
Please make sure you go to an experienced piercer for this one, the risks
are reasonably high that you could hit something bad or have it reject
really easily if they don't know what they're doing.
Ask if they've done them before or if they have pics of their work to give
you an idea of their skills (the pix should show well-placed healed
piercings that aren't just the usual nips, navels and tongue piercings)

I've been looking into having this piercing done too but it's looking like I
might not have enough loose skin to support it. I might go through with it
regardless and see what happens and just be prepared for it to reject at
some point.
anyway good luck with it if you do get it done

sorry to ramble on so much :)

rachel

Seth J. Fogarty

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On 28 Jul 2000, Laura Antoniou wrote:

> "Seth J. Fogarty" sfog...@students.uiuc.edu wrote:
> << > What is a Boi?
>
> AKA Nancy boy, femmy boy. It's not my fault all the pretty cllothign is made
> for girls (and yet strangely fits an underweight, hipsless, breastless male. Go
> figure.) General term for someone who dresses in
> "women's" clothing and/or wears makeup and/or is femining/effimenate, but isn't
> transgendered or a crossdresser. (Although maintaining an adnrogynous/confusing
> appearance is usually a goal.) >>
>
> Well, that's interesting. My first introduction to the word spelled that way
> was in reference to a female bodied, but masculine identified submissive, a
> woman who was a 'boy', in the sense of a Daddy/boy relationship, but wanted to
> stress that she was not transitioning to male or male from birth.

hm! Weird. All the boi's I know are male bodies, androgynous/feminine
indentified, and not necesarilly submissive. Check
gothy_glam_bois_and_grrls@egroups and boi_fancy@egroups fer the piccies.
(most boi_fancy). Heh. Just a popular word, I guess.

Sethie the Manly Man


Seth J. Fogarty

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On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Frites wrote:

> "Seth J. Fogarty" <sfog...@students.uiuc.edu> wrote:

> > http://www.tsroadmap.com/hair/haircompare.html
> doesn't work.
>
> Works fine for me. Maybe you have DNS problems.
> Try http://64.82.19.32/hair/haircompare.html

that worked... and the site didn't list the laser hair remoavl process I
was informed about. :shrugs: not gonna do it anytime soon, so I'll wait
for more stuff to come out.

thankee :)

Janet D. Miles

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On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 04:35:16 -0500, in messagewrote:

> 7) Anyone know if it's possible to get the back of your neck pierced? Keep
> in mind I'm ona those skinny folk with a pretty bony neck.

Something else I just thought of, don't know why I didn't remember it earlier,
is the newsgroup <rec.arts.bodyart>. Ask there; they know these things.

(That doesn't mean "go away", it means "get a second opinion from experts".)

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NBarnes

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"Seth J. Fogarty" wrote:

> On 28 Jul 2000, Laura Antoniou wrote:
> > "Seth J. Fogarty" sfog...@students.uiuc.edu wrote:

> > > > What is a Boi?

> > > AKA Nancy boy, femmy boy. It's not my fault all the pretty
> > > cllothign is made for girls (and yet strangely fits an underweight,
> > > hipsless, breastless male. Go figure.) General term for someone who
> > > dresses in "women's" clothing and/or wears makeup and/or is
> > > femining/effimenate, but isn't transgendered or a crossdresser.
> > > (Although maintaining an adnrogynous/confusing appearance is
> > > usually a goal.)

> > Well, that's interesting. My first introduction to the word
> > spelled that way was in reference to a female bodied, but
> > masculine identified submissive, a woman who was a 'boy', in the
> > sense of a Daddy/boy relationship, but wanted to stress that she
> > was not transitioning to male or male from birth.
>
> hm! Weird. All the boi's I know are male bodies, androgynous/feminine
> indentified, and not necesarilly submissive. Check
> gothy_glam_bois_and_grrls@egroups and boi_fancy@egroups fer the
> piccies. (most boi_fancy). Heh. Just a popular word, I guess.

Can anybody point Katherine Hawks at this section of the thread?
I'd like to hear her point of view (well, I'm always interested in
hearing Ms. Hawks' PoV, but this time more than usual).

NBarnes

NBarnes

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"Seth J. Fogarty" wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, NBarnes wrote:
> > "Seth J. Fogarty" wrote:

> > > Haha! I have returned, for now. I've been to Canada and back,
> > > gotten far too much girl's clothing, played far too much Diablo II
> > > (as a non-summoning necromancer. I AM a massochist), and decided to
> > > post.

> > I burned out quick on D2. It has _no_ depth and the class balance
> > is _abysmal_. The top of the ladder is _all_ about necros and
> > barbarians. The other classes can't even come close to the
> > efficiency. I'm going back to Everquest.

> not anymore :) necro's got revive killed (35 mana instead of 1), and,
> well sorcerors and paladins are seriously coming into their own.
> Necros are the favorite, no doubt, and everyone likes barbarians, but
> they aren't necesarilly overpowered, especially in a group.

Revived is still pretty amazing, though, when you get to Hell
difficulty and the monsters are all amazingly buff. Even with the
time limit and increased mana cost, Revived still kick ass. Also,
Iron Maiden with Revived is pretty killer. Add some Corpse Explosion
and, well, that's how you build a ladder necro.
Paladins are just like barbarians, only no Whirlwind. I've seen my
friend, who has a 42 barb and imagining him sans Whirlwind, he'd be
getting thrashed, taking too much damage and dealing too little,
even with 20 points in Sacrifice.
Sorceresses, which are my favored class (you get to run around in
spiffy, scanty green silk outfits, which I could never pull off IRL.
Plus, you get to call down orbital artillery strikes, which keeps
people from laughing at how you dress), are great in groups, because
they can chill all the monsters for orderly killing and Static Field
is _amazing_), especially against the boss monsters that necromancers
have so much trouble with. But sorceresses have a lot of trouble
taking out lots of monsters over time efficiently. Where a barbarian
can use a little bit of mana steal and get all his mana back hitting
things, a sorceress just can't make good her mana costs without standing
around for a few seconds after each fight, and that just kill her
efficiency.
Amazons are just in trouble. Sub-par offensive skills and _really_
sub-par defensive skills add up to weakness in all parts of the game at
35th level+.

> > It had, like, what, 12 hours of play before beating the game? That's
> > awful, your average Final Fantasy has about 30-40 hours

> Well, I'm not that good :) and keep starting over. But I never likd


> the Final Fantasies. Too much of a linear plot, too little in-combat
> strategy for me. I'm mouch more of a fan of

> Daggerfall/Baldur's Gate/etc type games. Diablo is a vice for me... I


> can admit it's damn-near impossible to acctually roleplay, and I can
> admit that the plot is linear and directed and stuff, but I just enjoy
> it. Dunno.

Oh, I agree with you on Final Fantasy. They look great, but they're
totally linear and hardly role-playing games at all. And the gameplay
is usually pretty simplistic. Diablo I/II's strength has always been
the gameplay; simple interface, but lots of different skills and
tactics to use, making for a wonderfully flexible and interesting
moment-to-moment play experience.



> > And the strategic pacing sucked. It has some great, innovative
> > design elements, but the fundamental play experience is only good
> > for a very short while, in my experience. And while I'm convinced
> > that Blizzard _will_ > eventually fix the problem, bat.net is a
> > _nightmare_ right now. Go ahead, play a closed character. I dare
> > you. You think non-summoning necros are painful? Just _try_ to
> > create a game.

> :nods: yeah. it's getting better, but I'm still lpaying mostly open

> characters.=

> > Non-summoning necros, though... dang. Yes, you are a masochist.

> Curses. I love curses. And, well, summoning in an mplayer game... I
> could be a barbarian adn be more effective than a golem, and have more
> fun. It's all about the curses.

Curses are good, but they screwed up the design. All the best curses
are at the top of the tree; you really just don't need much more than
Amplify Damage and Iron Maiden. Iron Maiden especially, it rules.

> > > 5) Earthdawn is back! (You want a masochsitic experience? try
> > > finding a group for an obscure, out of print, fantasy RPG that
> > > uses fifty billion different types of dice)

> > I always loved Earthdawn. The system was passable (I'm ever
> > increasingly drawn to systemless roleplaying. The combats, among other
> > things, tend to be _much_ more satisfying), but I loved the background.
> > Great reasons to have actual dungeons filled with treasures and
> > horrible... well, Horrors.

> Much agreement about systemless or minimal system rping, but yes... the
> history of earthdawn was great. I mean, they even had group pattersn... a
> REASON for a party to stay together, and, I dunno, it's just such a great
> background, and it has all these nice touches, and it isn't just hack and
> slash... you have to worry about corruption, and who the good guys are,
> and and it's nice.

/agree.

> > > 6) I WANT LASER hAIR REMOVAL! I've talked about this on the local
> > > Boi mailing list, and it seems that it's going to cost me 3000$
> > > or so for my face alone, in about five treatments, nevermind the
> > > cost of legs, arms, and other sundry bits. Anyone haev any
> > > experience?

> > I keep looking at this (I'm hairier than I'd like), but lasers
> > aren't permanent, from everything I've read. I'm waiting for
> > something better. Someday. *sigh*

> well... I dunno. Some of the recent ones are damn-near permanent, at
> least for 3-5 years. I'm going to wait for it o get better, and
> cheaper, but I think there is one kind which is close to being
> verified perm.

*crosses fingers*

NBarnes

NBarnes

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Velvet Wood wrote:

> "Seth J. Fogarty" <sfog...@students.uiuc.edu> writes:

> > Well, I'm not that good :) and keep starting over. But I never
> > likd the Final Fantasies. Too much of a linear plot, too little
> > in-combat strategy for me. I'm mouch more of a fan of

> > Daggerfall/Baldur's Gate/etc type games. Diabl o is a vice for me...


> > I can admit it's damn-near impossible to acctually roleplay, and I
> > can admit that the plot is linear and directed and stuff, but I
> > just enjoy it. Dunno.

> We just got the last Final Fantasy, and while it's absolutely


> beautiful, it's extremely aggravating to not have control over our
> character. Especially since the character is invariably a total
> asshole. I like *real* role-playing games where if your character/s
> decide to kill something it's because you chose for them to do so, not
> because the game mechanics can't handle anything other than a static
> plot. Have y'all tried the Might and Magic series of games? They're
> *very* nice first person view/multiple character party type games.
> Nice enough graphics too. Maybe a bit too easy if you have patience,
> but definately fun. I also really like Heroes of Might and Magic...
> set in the same world but a strategy game rather than a role playing
> game. Build armies, direct them in turn-based combat, develop your
> defenses, that sort of thing. All of them are very economical, IMO.
> Might and Magic VII and VIII both gave us about 20-40 hours of solid
> play time, and we didn't even do all of the optional quests. Heroes
> with the 'Armegeddon's Blade' expansion pack has given us over 40
> already and we're not finished with it yet.

The Might and Magic RPGs are generally very good, with a nice retro
feel to the gameplay to go with the _heaping_mounds_ of content. But,
after playing Diablo 2 and (mostly) Everquest, single-player RPGs are
just so hard to re-adapt to. For all its flaws, Everquest is an
amazing experience. Also, I have trouble getting into party-based
games like M&M; I get to feeling like my party is a colony organisms,
four bodies and skill sets with one personality/mind. Kinda creepy;
I much prefer either single-character RPGs or more dynamic party
systems, like Planescape: Torment (Seth, by the way, if you liked
Baldur's Gate, make sure to give Torment a spin, it rocked).
Heros of Might and Magic are great games, well designed (and with
_beautiful_ art), but, frankly, they take too much time to play. Many
other games offer a full game experience in half the time or less that
it takes to play a full game of HoMM3. On the other hand, one thing
you cannot fault HoMM3 for is lack of content; you're quite right, you
can play that for 100 or more hours and still have more maps to explore.

NBarnes

Seth J. Fogarty

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On 28 Jul 2000, Velvet Wood wrote:

> We just got the last Final Fantasy, and while it's absolutely beautiful,
> it's extremely aggravating to not have control over our character. Especially
> since the character is invariably a total asshole. I like *real* role-playing
> games where if your character/s decide to kill something it's because you
> chose for them to do so, not because the game mechanics can't handle anything
> other than a static plot. Have y'all tried the Might and Magic series of
> games? They're *very* nice first person view/multiple character party
> type games.

never could get into those, for some reason. TOo..cartoonish, almost. I
think it's just a stylistic thing. I'm a BIG fan of the elder scroll
series, and as mentioned, torment is lovely (although I can't get into
it).

> Nice enough graphics too. Maybe a bit too easy if you have
> patience, but definately fun. I also really like Heroes of Might and Magic...
> set in the same world but a strategy game rather than a role playing game.
> Build armies, direct them in turn-based combat, develop your defenses,
> that sort of thing. All of them are very economical, IMO. Might and Magic
> VII and VIII both gave us about 20-40 hours of solid play time, and we didn't
> even do all of the optional quests. Heroes with the 'Armegeddon's Blade'
> expansion pack has given us over 40 already and we're not finished with it
> yet.

Heroes of M/M3 was the bane of my hall this year :) It's not that
good...really...I'll stop playing...soon...

I'm a big fan of Larping, as well. (screw game mechanics! who needs em!)

Seth J. Fogarty

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On Sat, 29 Jul 2000, Fox wrote:
>
> well it's a surface (not a deep tissue) piercing and in an area that doesn't
> have much slack skin (like my neck unfortunately) it's likely to reject. You
> will need a proper surface bar (if your piercer comes out with a steel ring
> or straight BB and says, "oh this should be ok" run like hell :)
> As it's a surface piercing the risk of rejection is high, especially if you
> wear high necked tops and/or a collar lots cos anything that rubs or
> irritates the area just encourages the body to reject it.

I don't have much slack skin, either, although it does get higher as I go
towards the top of my neck (near the hairline.) One of hte problems if
that I have LONG hair... I am planning on putting it up and dealing with
greasy hair for a while after the piercing, but I don't know how long I
should do this to help avoid iritation. It'll heal a good deal in a week
or so, but not completely.

> There's not much risk of nerve damage as long as your piercer checks very
> carefully when they clamp you. If when they clamp your skin you feel
> numbness or tingling or anything like that then there's prolly a nerve
> involved in the clamping. Get them to shift the clamps til it doesn't
> involve anything nervy.

hmmm. probably not a good idea to gin on an endorphine rush, then. damn. I
hate bad pain


<
> It may well be that you are not suited for this piercing (nape).
> If you have a look at BME (www.bme.freeq.com) there are 78 pics (as well as
> text experiences) of neck piercings, either front or back of the neck and
> that can help you decide if it's right for you.

:nods: I will. I think I'm too skinny, unfortuantely. Is there any way to
stretch the skin al ittle, or something?

> I've been looking into having this piercing done too but it's looking like I
> might not have enough loose skin to support it. I might go through with it
> regardless and see what happens and just be prepared for it to reject at
> some point.

aside from the pain, what are the risks in something rejecting?

Thankee much!

Seth J. Fogarty

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On Sat, 29 Jul 2000, Janet D. Miles wrote:

> On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 04:35:16 -0500, in message
> <Pine.GSO.4.10.10007...@ux13.cso.uiuc.edu>, Seth J. Fogarty
> wrote:
>
> > 7) Anyone know if it's possible to get the back of your neck pierced? Keep
> > in mind I'm ona those skinny folk with a pretty bony neck.
>
> Something else I just thought of, don't know why I didn't remember it earlier,
> is the newsgroup <rec.arts.bodyart>. Ask there; they know these things.

oooo! Smart girl! thank you!

Seth J. Fogarty

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On Sat, 29 Jul 2000, NBarnes wrote:

> Revived is still pretty amazing, though, when you get to Hell
> difficulty and the monsters are all amazingly buff. Even with the
> time limit and increased mana cost, Revived still kick ass. Also,
> Iron Maiden with Revived is pretty killer. Add some Corpse Explosion
> and, well, that's how you build a ladder necro.

:nods: well, keep in mind, even with a level 20 revive, with level 20
skeletal mastery, you're going to at MOST have a critter 6 times as strong
as the original... so on average, it can take out six of it's compatriots.
Nice, but for 40 skill points and 45 mana? To me, the really nasty combos
are Iron Maiden, Attract, and Confuse. Big bad group of monsters. Confuse
them. Iron Maiden. Amp damage. Attract the archers.

> Paladins are just like barbarians, only no Whirlwind. I've seen my
> friend, who has a 42 barb and imagining him sans Whirlwind, he'd be
> getting thrashed, taking too much damage and dealing too little,
> even with 20 points in Sacrifice.

Auras! Auras! Paladins will NEVER do combat as well as a barb, but they
dont' need to. Thorns, holy freeze, conviction. And, for that matter, holy
shield, conversion.... they can be damn nasty, ESPECIALLY in groups. Two
or there paladins together?

> Sorceresses, which are my favored class (you get to run around in
> spiffy, scanty green silk outfits, which I could never pull off IRL.
> Plus, you get to call down orbital artillery strikes, which keeps
> people from laughing at how you dress), are great in groups, because
> they can chill all the monsters for orderly killing and Static Field
> is _amazing_), especially against the boss monsters that necromancers
> have so much trouble with. But sorceresses have a lot of trouble
> taking out lots of monsters over time efficiently. Where a barbarian
> can use a little bit of mana steal and get all his mana back hitting
> things, a sorceress just can't make good her mana costs without standing
> around for a few seconds after each fight, and that just kill her
> efficiency.

:nods: Sorceress are another good-in-groups class, especially with the
difficulty in mana potions. If you specilize heavily and put a lot of
points into warmth and masteries, it's supposed to get easier, but then
you're vulnerable to one resistance.

> Amazons are just in trouble. Sub-par offensive skills and _really_
> sub-par defensive skills add up to weakness in all parts of the game at
> 35th level+.

Well...With a good Valkyrie and some strong arrows, they can be what the
sorceress isn't. A freezing/burning bolt-exploding fighter who can afford
to throw everything at everything. But, again... much beter in groups.

> > Well, I'm not that good :) and keep starting over. But I never likd
> > the Final Fantasies. Too much of a linear plot, too little in-combat
> > strategy for me. I'm mouch more of a fan of
> > Daggerfall/Baldur's Gate/etc type games. Diablo is a vice for me... I
> > can admit it's damn-near impossible to acctually roleplay, and I can
> > admit that the plot is linear and directed and stuff, but I just enjoy
> > it. Dunno.
>
> Oh, I agree with you on Final Fantasy. They look great, but they're
> totally linear and hardly role-playing games at all. And the gameplay
> is usually pretty simplistic. Diablo I/II's strength has always been
> the gameplay; simple interface, but lots of different skills and
> tactics to use, making for a wonderfully flexible and interesting
> moment-to-moment play experience.

:nods: excactly. It's just FUN. not deep, not a solid RPing experience,
not something to make me proud to beat. Just fun while I'm playing it.



> > > Non-summoning necros, though... dang. Yes, you are a masochist.
>
> > Curses. I love curses. And, well, summoning in an mplayer game... I
> > could be a barbarian adn be more effective than a golem, and have more
> > fun. It's all about the curses.
>
> Curses are good, but they screwed up the design. All the best curses
> are at the top of the tree; you really just don't need much more than
> Amplify Damage and Iron Maiden. Iron Maiden especially, it rules.

Iron maiden is very, very nice. But I disagree... attract and confuse are
GORGEOUS, with relatively low mana costs, especially at high levels (don't
go up). Lower resist is something that no one takes, but I will, and in
hell levels with eight people in a game, it will be NICE. Dim vision and
terror are actually more useful than you'd expect, when you have no
minions... taking things on one at a time helps, a lot, before you get
attract and confuse. I'll confess to having a point in Clay Golem, just to
have a focus for Iron Maiden. It's hwo I kill the boses. Iron Maiden, Clay
Golem, lots of potions.

> > well... I dunno. Some of the recent ones are damn-near permanent, at
> > least for 3-5 years. I'm going to wait for it o get better, and
> > cheaper, but I think there is one kind which is close to being
> > verified perm.
>
> *crosses fingers*

you and me both, you and me both.
Hell, I'll take a four-year treatment, if it's cheap enough.

Seth J. Fogarty

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Nbarnes, I believe, wrote

> The Might and Magic RPGs are generally very good, with a nice retro
> feel to the gameplay to go with the _heaping_mounds_ of content. But,
> after playing Diablo 2 and (mostly) Everquest, single-player RPGs are
> just so hard to re-adapt to. For all its flaws, Everquest is an
> amazing experience.

I've never tried Everquest.... gave Asheron's Call a whirl and gave up
real quick. One problem with online mplayer games, for me, is that it's
all so coperative. I like alittle enmity, a little challenge. I'll admit
to playing Gemstone III off and on, and I've managed to find some good
roleplaying with Dhe'nari and COL enmities, but it's much the same
problem.

> Also, I have trouble getting into party-based
> games like M&M; I get to feeling like my party is a colony organisms,
> four bodies and skill sets with one personality/mind. Kinda creepy;
> I much prefer either single-character RPGs or more dynamic party
> systems, like Planescape: Torment (Seth, by the way, if you liked
> Baldur's Gate, make sure to give Torment a spin, it rocked).

I've tried... it was very good, and I couldn't get into it. It was ilke an
an excellent book you just can't get through the first chapter of. But
much agreement about the M&M group wierdness.

> Heros of Might and Magic are great games, well designed (and with
> _beautiful_ art), but, frankly, they take too much time to play. Many
> other games offer a full game experience in half the time or less that
> it takes to play a full game of HoMM3. On the other hand, one thing
> you cannot fault HoMM3 for is lack of content; you're quite right, you
> can play that for 100 or more hours and still have more maps to explore.

:nods: amen.

BLDRNRpdx

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Regarding the use of "Boi":

(Lord, I lost all sense of who wrote what. Sorry about that)

My first exposure to the word was in reference to female-bodied persons who
identify as having strong male elements in their personality (if not also their
physical being). Some of them consider themselves in various stages of
transition, some of them male-identify without any intention of transitioning
physically or otherwise, and some of them take on the persona of "Boy" (used in
the Leather Boy sense rather than an Ageplay Boy) with no male-identification
beyond the role. Mostly it's been female-bodied, male-IDed persons who aren't
transitioning or are only 'partially' transitioning (some physical transition,
some or all social presentation transition).

Having met Bois of each category, I can say it's a lot like calling a
female-bodied person "Sir". With some people, it's just the right thing to
say.

I'd never heard "Boi" used as a synonym for a "Nancy", I have to admit. Nor
have I heard it specifically in reference to androgynous folk - it's pretty
much been male-identified, female-bodied persons that I've met who use the
term.


Bladerunner
who misses Katherine's boy :)

ssbb dip corps: portland, or (speaking of which, anyone heard from Hans and
Cora recently?)

KATS: Kidz & Adultz Together Sharing, an Ageplay group -
www.geocities.com/katspdx
Psst, hey kid - wanna buy a rubber? www.rubbermania.com

head...@my-deja.com

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SNIP

>
> Well, that's interesting. My first introduction to the word spelled
that way
> was in reference to a female bodied, but masculine identified
submissive, a
> woman who was a 'boy', in the sense of a Daddy/boy relationship, but
wanted to
> stress that she was not transitioning to male or male from birth.
> Laura
>
SNIP

This comes close to my definition of the word and i wear the label boi.

I wear it in a bdsm role and it relates to my androgeny and my
attitude rather then any thing to do with physical appendages or lack
of.
It doesnt necessarily relate strictly to the Daddy/boi thing either as
that would negate the Butch/Femme role that is prevalent in the lesbian
community, and to be honest more where i fit in, as my Domme is a
Mistress rather then a Daddy/Knyght/Syr/Lord ect..
boi for me is about gender fluidity and not being too caught up in the
sex our body assigns us. "I'm gonna fuck You hard boi?" just does it
for me when stated by a Strap On wearing Mistress..yet i dont feel any
less of a woman, or want to become any more manly because i wear this
label.
so i dont know if that makes it any clearer... for anyone

headcase


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

Fox

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"Seth J. Fogarty" <sfog...@students.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.GSO.4.10.100072...@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu...
> On Sat, 29 Jul 2000, Fox wrote:
*snip*

> should do this to help avoid iritation. It'll heal a good deal in a week
> or so, but not completely.

I'm not sure how long it'll take to heal, but a week is a very short period
of time. Many/most genital piercings feel healed in a week, most cartilage
ones up to a year, so somewhere between there. I suggest having a look at
bme in the text section as many of the experiences have some discussion of
healing and stuff. There's a FAQ there too that will have some information
about healing times.
I'd suggest that your hair being dirty might be more of a risk that cleaning
it. Try washing your hair leaning forward and rinse/clean your piercing last
of all. The main thing is to keep strong scented soaps out of the "wound"
and generally leave it alone. I've got a recent piercing on my ear cartilage
that keeps getting hair caught in it and I've not had any problems yet,
although my bf had a hair cut and got an infection from all the times the
hairdresser knocked it with the scissors and got hair into it, so YMMV. My
piercer won't put the piercing up as high as I'd like (very close to the
hairline) because of the difficulty of keeping it free of matter.

*snip*


> hmmm. probably not a good idea to gin on an endorphine rush, then. damn. I

my piercer's suggestion was to get clamped up for it, do some very careful
marking and then take the clamps off and emla it. It won't numb all the way
thru the skin to be pierced but it'll numb the surface for long enough that
you can relax :) Unless you're needle-phobic (which I am rather) you'll
prolly find that piercing won't actually hurt that much

> :nods: I will. I think I'm too skinny, unfortuantely. Is there any way to
> stretch the skin al ittle, or something?

not really without inserting something under the skin first :) you do really
need to talk to a piercer who can tell you if you are too skinny for this or
not :) where are you? (country or state)

> aside from the pain, what are the risks in something rejecting?

well often when something is rejecting it's not healing and this means it's
like a fresh piercing all the time. It can get infected easily. Also if it
rejects enough that there's lots of bar showing through the skin then the
ends could get hooked easily and the bar could get ripped out (ouch) but
that risk exists if you have the wrong size surface bar too, so it's very
important that you consult a good piercer.
Rejection isn't usually excruciating pain, more of a sore feeling but it's
not nice at all. If you leave a rejecting piercing until it falls out it
will often scar very easily meaning that you'd have a straight scar
depending on how well you scar.

I can't stress the importance of talking to a reputable piercer about this
piercing. the best resource on the web is bme.freeq.com but you can find
more info too just by typing it into a search engine :)
If you want to talk about this more then feel free to email me @
fy...@hotmail.com

good luck with it :)

rachel