I have an odd problem and I'd appreciate some advice (since I'm
so good at dishing it out). I'm 31 years old, never been married,
and had the usual run of relationships over the years, some serious
others not so. I also entered one of those careers where people toil
for years at low pay in hopes of making it big one day (exact field
isn't important, let's say it's computers). I was girlfriended during
the past two years by a woman who worked an average job, and while we
never lived together the assumption among our friends was we'd get
married one day. Then she decided that "one day" wasn't enough, ended
the relationship, started dating other people, and left me to go on
with my life.
Now it gets interesting. Within two months after she left all of the
hard work paid off, and in terms of career I'm now entering the
stratosphere. Imagine a change on the level of the Beverly Hillbillies
and you get some sense of where my career was and where it is now.
This has taken up most of my time, and for a while I was able to throw
myself into my work. Now that things are firmly set, though, I find
myself wanting a social life. The old girlfriend is out, I can't bring
myself to go back to her (problem #1: I still care for her, but
another part wants the wheels of fate to grind out their justice).
I'm also having real difficulty meeting someone new (problem #2:
I haven't adjusted to this yet and I'm afraid women only want to
date me for my money).
Now for my question. What's the proper attitude I should take in this?
I know life has its ups and downs, but so far from a dating point of
view this up has been a real downer. I always had a picture of how
things were going to work out, and this isn't it. Does anyone else
have any experience in this? Know this isn't the worst problem in the
world, but I really thought I'd be happier than I am now (ps. I'm
interested only in advice, all other responses will be ignored).
[kevin is suddenly making a lot of money]
>Now for my question. What's the proper attitude I should take in this?
>I know life has its ups and downs, but so far from a dating point of
>view this up has been a real downer. I always had a picture of how
>things were going to work out, and this isn't it. Does anyone else
>have any experience in this? Know this isn't the worst problem in the
>world, but I really thought I'd be happier than I am now.
Interesting. You aren't the first person who's posted that money can be
a mixed blessing.
I think two things about this.
1. I'm pretty happy with my current lifestyle. If I were suddenly rich,
I could imagine living in such a manner that my having a great deal of
money was not obvious to people who did not know me well (or even people
who did). That may not sit well with your personality though. It would
be understandable if you wanted to enjoy your fortune in ways that would
be hard or impossible to hide.
2. I don't find it that hard to read people's intentions. If I had a lot
of money and people knew it, I'd probably be more careful -- but I tend to
think someone couldn't pull a gold-digger's wool over my eyes for very
long. I've never seen one smooth enough not to sicken me fairly quickly.
I also strongly doubt that things I expect to happen in a good
relationship would actually happen with someone who was just patronizing
me (like the feeling of deep connection during conversation or really
spectacular on-the-same-page-in-another-universe sex). And damn -- if I
really couldn't tell the difference over the long term, maybe it doesn't
matter.
I suspect this sort of filtering is a lot harder for someone who comes
into money very young, or when they have had little or no experience with
relationships.
Michael
Rebecca <rsc...@garnet.fsu.edu>
On Mon, 12 Aug 1996 ke...@upompeii.com wrote:
>
> I have an odd problem and I'd appreciate some advice (since I'm
> so good at dishing it out). I'm 31 years old, never been married,
> and had the usual run of relationships over the years,
some serious
> for years at low pay in hopes of making it big one day (exact field
> have any experience in this?
Congratulation on having the hard work pay.
Know this isn't the worst problem in the
> world, but I really thought I'd be happier than I am now
Been there, too. No major change brings everything we expect (good -and-
bad). I'm mostly appreciating the good I didn't expect and coping wth the
rest. (Check out Szonye post re optimist/pessimists)
(ps. I'm
> interested only in advice, all other responses will be ignored).
>
> Looks like you've come to the right place (expect good and bad).
I usually go with my 'gut' feeling about anything. It won't lie to you
like your head will.
Rebecca
You obviously met plenty girls before your career took off, and
basically you should be the same person as before. Just do what you used
to do and you'll soon meet someone. Why tell anyone you're loaded?
Hey-Presto! No-one's after you for your money if they don't know it
exists. Everything will work out just fine. The only time you will
experience problems is when you try to stop things happening over which
you have no control. Its ok to dream of an ideal life, but if you
convince yourself that the only way you can be happy is to acheive this
ideal life then you'll spend all your time thinking about it and missing
out on lots of other great opportunities which could turn out to be
ideal for you.
Gosh! Only a week with the group and already I've been *quoted*! <gush,
gush>
I'm so happy! I feel like I finally have found a place I belong! You're all
so sweet...
Or maybe I'm just stuck on myself. Hmm, oh well.
--
Bradd W. Szonye (bra...@ix.netcom.com)
http://www.netcom.com/~bradds/nutty.html
>Bradd W. Szonye (bra...@ix.netcom.com)
Now, the only thing we have to do is work on that ix.netcom.com address.
--
John Fereira
fer...@isis.com
Isis Distributed Systems - Ithaca, NY
> Gosh! Only a week with the group and already I've been *quoted*! <gush,
> gush>
> I'm so happy! I feel like I finally have found a place I belong! You're all
> so sweet...
how can we help it? you've posted like 50 articles.
> Or maybe I'm just stuck on myself. Hmm, oh well.
try some turpentine. most adhesives are soluble in it.
ObGiggle: *giggle*
--
sunbird (exuptr)
ObSigVirus: "some people are kooks and get ignored" - Phillip J Birmingham
cool. glad all that hard work is paying off for you.
>I'm also having real difficulty meeting someone new (problem #2:
>I haven't adjusted to this yet and I'm afraid women only want to
>date me for my money).
i'm not sure why they should. just listen to trygve, and even
tho he lives in a different universe, it seems that women are
no more likely to date him for his money than they are likely
to drop him for it, *snicker*.
>Now for my question. What's the proper attitude I should take in this?
hm. i've never been filthy rich, but i've run the gamut from
being piss-poor to making more than 100K a year, and it has
never affected my relationships. first of all i don't think
it's immediately obvious to people whether or not i am well
off because i don't care about the standard accoutrements of
financial success (i don't drive a flashy car, i don't dress
in designer clothes, i don't have a fancy house). the things
i spend my money on are not obvious.
and i am not particularly foreward with private information
about myself to strangers -- and how much i happen to make, or
have stashed away, is private information. somebody's got to
know me pretty well before i talk about that sort of stuff (i
find the subject of money pretty boring anyway, so i am not
inclined to talk about it).
that probably explains why no gold digger has ever hooked up
with me. i _have_ been underestimated, however, and i kinda
like that. :-) it screens out superficial people real well.
if you're really worried that people might be attracted to you
just because of your money, you might want to downplay having
money, and screen everyone out who outright asks you how much
you make.
you might also want to recognize that some people aren't so
much attracted to the money, but to your success instead, and
what that symbolizes to them, and that's a different kettle
of fish.
-piranha
[guy finds oil in the backyard]
>I'm also having real difficulty meeting someone new (problem #2:
>I haven't adjusted to this yet and I'm afraid women only want to
>date me for my money).
>Now for my question. What's the proper attitude I should take in this?
>I know life has its ups and downs, but so far from a dating point of
>view this up has been a real downer. I always had a picture of how
>things were going to work out, and this isn't it. Does anyone else
>have any experience in this? Know this isn't the worst problem in the
>world, but I really thought I'd be happier than I am now (ps. I'm
>interested only in advice, all other responses will be ignored).
I think I'd try to deal with that fear if I were you.
I'll admit to having a mild money squick--well, maybe "wealth" would be
more accurate. I don't think I'm alone in that. So, your new-found
wealth (especially if displayed) could be turning off as many women as
it's attracting for its own sake.
I know that some women are attracted to wealth (I remember a conversation
I overheard about a friend, where a woman was saying that she had decided
to keep seeing him because he could take her scuba-diving anywhere--it
bothered me a lot, as I knew he really cared a lot about her). So, I'm
not saying that your fear is un-founded, but that I'm sure there are ways
to deal with it.
One piece of advice: do not, repeat, do NOT say anything about how much
money you make (or even indicate it indirectly) when you first meet a
woman.
--
Trish Roberts http://www.missouri.edu/~engpat
eng...@showme.missouri.edu [standard disclaimer applies]
"Now is the time of day that I/ desperately miss her.
I suppose I will learn how to live my life without her." (C. Junkies)
One piece of advice: do not, repeat, do NOT say anything about how much
money you make (or even indicate it indirectly) when you first meet a
woman.
I agree. Two schools of thought here. Not only will it keep the gold
diggers at bay, it will also keep you from coming across as arrogant.
I met a guy on the 'Net...exchanged emails, finally met face to face. He
told me he worked for a big corporation in the area...said he pushed
papers. He drove an older car, dressed nicely but not extravagantly.
Once he was secure with my feelings toward him, he told me he was a vice
president and owned a house on a lake. And started taking me out in his
Benz. But this didn't happen until he was sure that I wasn't after him
for his position or his money. And actually, I make about what he does,
so it doesn't matter, now, does it?
So the more common you seem to be, the more people you will attract.
Personally, flash turns me off...if this guy flaunted the Benz, I wouldn't
have seen him again.
"Old friends mean much more to me than new friends....they can see where
you are, and they know where you've been." - Harry Chapin
......Geeee you really have FIVE cars?......
It doesn't matter - the problem here is with the word "flaunted",
not "the Benz" - got it?
=carol=
I don't know what she is like yet since it is a first date. The weather
is: 80 and mostly sunny (a few those white puffy clouds,) not too humid
(32%,) with a slight breeze (5-10 kts) out of the east.
--
/ / /
\ \ \ mailto:shel...@warm.inmet.com
/ / /
So, hypothetically, let's say I have 5 cars: a new Dodge Avenger, an old
Jeep CJ-7 (top off), an old Jeep CJ-7 (top on), a Fiat Spider
convertible and a Jaguar XJ-S. Which one should I take on a first date?
--
that sounds appropriate. I suppose if it were Cindi Crawford a
stretched limo should be adequate to do the job. :)
--
i'd make that dependent on what the weather's like, and how
i feel that day -- might be an open-top, old sneakers sort of
a day, or a dress-up and show-off sort of a day. hm. where
are we going on this date, cruising, for a moonlit drive in the
nearest pseudo-wilderness, or to the theatre?
-piranha
--Tony, Just wondering?
Steven Shelikoff (shel...@warm.inmet.com) writes:
> PERWIN1 wrote:
>>
>> Trish Roberts http://www.missouri.edu/~engpat said, in part,
>>
>> One piece of advice: do not, repeat, do NOT say anything about how much
>> money you make (or even indicate it indirectly) when you first meet a
>> woman.
> ...
>>
>> So the more common you seem to be, the more people you will attract.
>> Personally, flash turns me off...if this guy flaunted the Benz, I wouldn't
>> have seen him again.
>
> So, hypothetically, let's say I have 5 cars: a new Dodge Avenger, an old
> Jeep CJ-7 (top off), an old Jeep CJ-7 (top on), a Fiat Spider
> convertible and a Jaguar XJ-S. Which one should I take on a first date?
It doesn't matter. Take the car you feel like taking.
After all she's dating you, not your car...
[Personally, I'd take my Chevy Suburban with a mattress in
back, but I haven't gone on a date in, oh, eight years. ;-)]
--
'dreas... If you want something bad enough, you will get it.
VictoriaTaxi15 When you get it, you may wonder why you wanted it.
"Tony B." (tb...@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> Trish Roberts wrote:
>>
>>
>> I know that some women are attracted to wealth (I remember a conversation
>> I overheard about a friend, where a woman was saying that she had decided
>> to keep seeing him because he could take her scuba-diving anywhere--it
>> bothered me a lot, as I knew he really cared a lot about her). So, I'm
>> not saying that your fear is un-founded, but that I'm sure there are ways
>> to deal with it.
>>
>> One piece of advice: do not, repeat, do NOT say anything about how much
>> money you make (or even indicate it indirectly) when you first meet a
>> woman.
>>
> I agree with you. People should not flaunt or directly communicate how
> much money they make. Also, gold diggers are a major concern. But,
> here's a follow-up question. Let's say that I'm an attorney working for
> a large law firm, live in a nice apartment, drive an expensive car, wear
> nice clothes, and have a lot of expensive hobbies. How do I prevent a
> woman I'm starting to date from figuring out that I make a lot of
> money? I don't see how I can, unless I totally misrepresent everything
> about my life. Even if I had the best of intentions, would making such
> a misrepresentation be a good start to a relationship?
Don't lie. I tell women right out that I'm not a rich man, and that
they probably make more than I do. The woman that doesn't care and
wants to be with me regardless is the one with the best intentions...
[18 days until I see SWIVMO again... Wheeee!!]
So, hypothetically, let's say I have 5 cars: a new Dodge Avenger, an old
Jeep CJ-7 (top off), an old Jeep CJ-7 (top on), a Fiat Spider
convertible and a Jaguar XJ-S. Which one should I take on a first date?
Steve, buddy. Take whichever car that accepts your request for a first
date. Seriously, cars can be borrowed, leased or owned. But
remember....fish who are hungry are always attracted to flashy, brightly
colored lures. But other fish who care about what they eat are a little
more particular. We tend to stay in the backround and observe before
taking the lunge.
I agree with you. People should not flaunt or directly communicate how
much money they make. Also, gold diggers are a major concern. But,
here's a follow-up question. Let's say that I'm an attorney working for
a large law firm, live in a nice apartment, drive an expensive car, wear
nice clothes, and have a lot of expensive hobbies. How do I prevent a
woman I'm starting to date from figuring out that I make a lot of
money? I don't see how I can, unless I totally misrepresent everything
about my life. Even if I had the best of intentions, would making such
a misrepresentation be a good start to a relationship?
Tony...your lifestyle is always porportunate to your income, no matter
what level that may be. Don't misrepresent yourself. If she seems more
concerned with the flash than with you, that's a red flag. If you keep the
antennae up, you'll be able to spot them. Keep looking for that person
that will stand by you if the lifestyle suddenly disintegrates, as can
happen in this economic market. But if you flaunt your hobbies, cars,
etc., you'll get just what you've got coming.
I just responded to someone who said that they wouldn't have dated a
person if he showed up for a first date in a Mercedes, but he really
turned out to be a nice person. I was only trying to make the point (in
a roundabout way) that it really shouldn't matter what kind of car a
person drives. Someone who judges a person based on the junkiness or
extravagance of a car is being shallow.
That's what I hoped the answer would be. If a person won't date me
again because of the car I show up in for a first date, then I wouldn't
want to see her again either.
> [Personally, I'd take my Chevy Suburban with a mattress in
> back, but I haven't gone on a date in, oh, eight years. ;-)]
Maybe the mattress trick is why.;)
--
If that impresses you than yes.:) Otherwise, no.:) Actually, I do.
But I am in the process of selling a few of them because it really has
gotten out of hand. I like to buy one when I see one I really like, but
I hate dealing with selling a used car. Each one also has some
sentimental value. I still have all my old Tonka Toys and Hot Wheels in
my attic, so having 5 cars is just an extension of the same thing.
How about to a nice theatre in the wilderness?
>I agree with you. People should not flaunt or directly communicate how
>much money they make. Also, gold diggers are a major concern. But,
>here's a follow-up question. Let's say that I'm an attorney working for
>a large law firm, live in a nice apartment, drive an expensive car, wear
>nice clothes, and have a lot of expensive hobbies. How do I prevent a
>woman I'm starting to date from figuring out that I make a lot of
>money?
It sounds as though you're saying that everything you do communicates that
you spend a lot of money. Because it seems important to you to make that
communication, you should probably stick with it--you're likely to attract
other people to whom communication is equally important.
>I don't see how I can, unless I totally misrepresent everything
>about my life. Even if I had the best of intentions, would making such
>a misrepresentation be a good start to a relationship?
I think the original person was describing living a lifestyle which didn't
necessarily communicate that fact. If you really can't talk without
talking about things that show you *spend* a lot of money, well, you have
a limited conversation.
>Tony...your lifestyle is always porportunate to your income, no matter
>what level that may be.
That simply isn't true. There are people who are spending way over their
income, and there are people who spend money in ways that are not
immediately visible, and there are people who save rather than spend their
money.
--
Trish Roberts [eng...@showme.missouri.edu]
"argue argue argue with me
endlessly" (E. Bishop)
http://www.missouri.edu/~engpat [insert standard disclaimer here]
: >Tony...your lifestyle is always porportunate to your income, no matter
: >what level that may be.
: That simply isn't true. There are people who are spending way over their
: income, and there are people who spend money in ways that are not
: immediately visible, and there are people who save rather than spend their
: money.
Bravo Trish!
I know a guy who magnifies and projects his assets to attract women
(and it works on certain women, after a fashion).
I know another guy who owns half a nice house, a nice bit of land,
has a good income, but what he talks about are people, science,
nature, the events of the day. He drives an old vehicle and
admits that he considers it a "date-filter" If the woman seems
put off by his old (but well kept) truck he considers that a bad sign.
Sad to say he doesn't seem to get the volume of dates my flashy
friend gets, but I think he get's a better quality of date.
I met a woman recently who seemed to like me and was quite friendly.
I liked her too. Unfortuneatly it is a matter of pride to her
that she "once dated a millionaire". When she said that to me
I put her in the "just a friend" category--at least for now.
Anyway, point is, on a relative scale, men and women both can
wield money-power romantic symbols or not...it's a matter of choice.
Of course one must be strong (or stupid -- I can't decide which I am),
to forgo the money-power-sex transaction when one is lonely, but
cie la vie -- eh?
Just my 25c
-brian
> Just my 25c
> -brian
I agree Brian,,, I think it's interesting that money=power.. And
power=control .... and control kills love... so the tool used to get
love will end up killing love...
I find the greatest proof of power.. and attracting a love interest
...is Henry Kissenger.. now with out his power.. how many of those
beautiful women would have gone out with him.. ?
Nuff said
Melody