To whoever suggested putting up ondrea's pic online
An Metet
> No User <no....@anon.xg.nu> wrote:
> >
> > davenport sez that photo chaney posted is from
> > before she had her kid. wazzapwiddat v?
>
> That is my speculation. In the photo, her waist
> is impossibly thin
the shadow of her arm creates that illusion, which is part of what makes
it such a fetching peecture. not that her waist isn't thin, just that a
trick of the light makes it look thinner.
> and the photo colors appear
> somewhat faded.
true.
> Looks like in her 20s to me.
so i take it she doesn't look... quite that good... anymore?
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
more even than death
- bertrand russell
An Metet
> ging...@pacbell.net wrote:
> >
> > No User <no....@anon.xg.nu> wrote:
> > >
> > > davenport sez that photo chaney posted is from
> > > before she had her kid. wazzapwiddat v?
>
> > wrote:
> >
> > No User <no....@anon.xg.nu> wrote:
> > >
> > > davenport sez that photo chaney posted is from
> > > before she had her kid. wazzapwiddat v?
> >
> > That is my speculation.
> > Looks like in her 20s to me.
>
>
> jackie thought so too until it became inconvenient to him.
way to lie chaneyjr. i still think she looks young in her leetle videos.
at least the low-rez ones i saw.
if you really want to deliver the ultimate soulkill shiv you should post
a nice current 640x480 peecture of her lurvly face.
it would really hurt my feelings a lot knowing i could never shoot my
load into her purty mouth.
don't you think?
An Metet
> crash street kidd <crashst...@mail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ging...@pacbell.net wrote:
> > > No User <no....@anon.xg.nu> wrote:
> > > In the photo, her waist
> > > is impossibly thin
> >
> >
> > > and the photo colors appear
> > > somewhat faded.
> >
> > it is also a couple of megabytes in size.
> >
> > > Looks like in her 20s to me.
> >
> > that's what i thought the first time i saw her
> > videos.
>
fucking hardcore
ging...@pacbell.net
>
> george:
> > crash street kidd <crashst...@mail.com> wrote:
> > > > Looks like in her 20s to me.
> > >
> > > that's what i thought the first time i saw her
> > > videos.
> >
> > From the amihot photo, not from real life. hth2
>
> fucking hardcore
> jackie 'anakin' tokeman
As I've posted before, there is no question that
Ondrea looks a lot better than average for her age.
But it's something else entirely to look 20 years
younger than one's age without trickery.
George, back from Tucson
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
Coralie Naumann
<ging...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> An Metet <anm...@mixmaster.shinn.net> wrote:
> >
> > george:
> > > crash street kidd <crashst...@mail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Looks like in her 20s to me.
> > > >
> > > > that's what i thought the first time i saw her
> > > > videos.
> > >
> > > From the amihot photo, not from real life. hth2
> >
> > fucking hardcore
> > jackie 'anakin' tokeman
>
> As I've posted before, there is no question that
> Ondrea looks a lot better than average for her age.
>
> But it's something else entirely to look 20 years
> younger than one's age without trickery.
i agree it is rare but i think it can happen,
faith george, FAITH. If faith can move mountains
then surely appearances can be deceived.
Eyes of the beholder.
Welcome home my gentleman friend.
--
Coralie
cnau...@goul-burn.net.au
(remove the "-" to email me)
The Danimal
> <ging...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:92mqt0$pff$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > Ondrea looks a lot better than average for her age.
> >
> > But it's something else entirely to look 20 years
> > younger than one's age without trickery.
>
> i agree it is rare but i think it can happen,
Maybe. But it didn't happen on your Web site. I don't
think anybody who is not blind would have any trouble
determining who is the mother and who is the daughter
even if you didn't bother to caption the photographs.
Biological aging is a nasty problem for which there is
currently no satisfactory solution.
> faith george, FAITH. If faith can move mountains
> then surely appearances can be deceived.
> Eyes of the beholder.
How often, and for how long, have undesirable men been able
to trick you into thinking they are desirable?
You might recall how hysterical Jet Silverman used to get
whenever the Speed Seduction advocates talked about being able
to do just that to women.
Something interesting: even with all the tricks of photo
reprocessing available today, just about everybody who
wants to sell pictures of beautiful women still finds
it cheaper to hire models who are, in fact, beautiful women.
I read about some ad agency that developed an entirely
computer-simulated actress, but they started out by hiring
a beautiful woman model and building up a digitized model
of her entire body.
In any case, if it's difficult to fool people with reprocessed
photos what are the odds of pulling off the same trick in
real life?
After all, today's men are the products of millions of years
of selection for the ability to identify young, fertile women.
The only way to fool such long-term survivors is with an
incredibly accurate simulation.
-- d'Animal
Coralie Naumann
"The Danimal" <dNmOcS...@NmOfSmP.cAoMm> wrote in message
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> Coralie Naumann wrote:
> > <ging...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> > news:92mqt0$pff$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > > As I've posted before, there is no question that
> > > Ondrea looks a lot better than average for her age.
> > >
> > > But it's something else entirely to look 20 years
> > > younger than one's age without trickery.
> >
> > i agree it is rare but i think it can happen,
>
> Maybe. But it didn't happen on your Web site. I don't
> think anybody who is not blind would have any trouble
> determining who is the mother and who is the daughter
> even if you didn't bother to caption the photographs.
>
i was not referring to myself, and at any rate, i am
almost 33 yrs older than my daughter.
A FAR CRY FROM 20
I was born in 1950 naomi 1983
thanks for the compliment dan. My 31yr old son will
thank you as well.
> Biological aging is a nasty problem for which there is
> currently no satisfactory solution.
>
> > faith george, FAITH. If faith can move mountains
> > then surely appearances can be deceived.
> > Eyes of the beholder.
>
> How often, and for how long, have undesirable men been able
> to trick you into thinking they are desirable?
never... if they are undesirable to me, then no trickery
in the world will change that.
>
> You might recall how hysterical Jet Silverman used to get
> whenever the Speed Seduction advocates talked about being able
> to do just that to women.
>
> Something interesting: even with all the tricks of photo
> reprocessing available today, just about everybody who
> wants to sell pictures of beautiful women still finds
> it cheaper to hire models who are, in fact, beautiful women.
WOW! really. i would never have guessed that.
>
> I read about some ad agency that developed an entirely
> computer-simulated actress, but they started out by hiring
> a beautiful woman model and building up a digitized model
> of her entire body.
>
> In any case, if it's difficult to fool people with reprocessed
> photos what are the odds of pulling off the same trick in
> real life?
in real life there is warm blood, a warm touch, laughter
in the eyes and a whole heap of emotions to help you.
>
> After all, today's men are the products of millions of years
> of selection for the ability to identify young, fertile women.
> The only way to fool such long-term survivors is with an
> incredibly accurate simulation.
NEWSFLASH
most women prefer men in their own age range.
most men that i have known, including brothers, sons,
fathers and lovers, prefer their own age range when
they are looking to settle down. men seek company
as much as women do.
The best looking person will fall flat if they can't hold
a conversation, or be warm and sensitive in bed.
Happy New Year
(when you grow up and become a man you will remember this)
Then you will be content.
Have you caught your tail yet?
--
Coralie
cnau...@goul-burn.net.au
(remove the "-" to email me)
>
> -- d'Animal
antieru
<cnau...@goul-burn.net.au> wrote:
>
>"The Danimal" <dNmOcS...@NmOfSmP.cAoMm> wrote in message
>news:3A4F8186...@NmOfSmP.cAoMm...
>> Coralie Naumann wrote:
(snip)
>> After all, today's men are the products of millions of years
>> of selection for the ability to identify young, fertile women.
>> The only way to fool such long-term survivors is with an
>> incredibly accurate simulation.
>
>NEWSFLASH
>most women prefer men in their own age range.
>most men that i have known, including brothers, sons,
>fathers and lovers, prefer their own age range when
>they are looking to settle down. men seek company
>as much as women do.
>The best looking person will fall flat if they can't hold
>a conversation, or be warm and sensitive in bed.
>
>Happy New Year
>(when you grow up and become a man you will remember this)
It is debatable whether Dan has ever been in love.
Thanks for some truly interesting reading. You are a genuinely nice,
sweet woman.
>Then you will be content.
If I could give new year wishes, I would wish you the year you deserve
and Dan a little love so he could understand what you are saying.
>Have you caught your tail yet?
Does the tail come with horns or fur? ;)
I hope you have a wonderful new year.
Kim
Coralie Naumann
"antieru" <ant...@excite.com> wrote in message
news:8upv4tkje9sjeisdo...@4ax.com...<snip>
> If I could give new year wishes, I would wish you the year you deserve
> and Dan a little love so he could understand what you are saying.
>
Thanks Kim. I wish Dan a great big pile of love, i don't
think a little will be enough to wipe away the past pain.
Love would have to be the most powerful antidote known.
> >Have you caught your tail yet?
>
> Does the tail come with horns or fur? ;)
i think dan's is just fur, like a young pup.
he is not evil, just misguided.
>
> I hope you have a wonderful new year.
i hope you get your heart's desires, this year
and all the years to come.....
--
Coralie
cnau...@goul-burn.net.au
(remove the "-" to email me)
>
> Kim
ging...@pacbell.net
> > younger than one's age without trickery.
>
> i agree it is rare but i think it can happen,
> faith george, FAITH. If faith can move mountains
> then surely appearances can be deceived.
> Eyes of the beholder.
Why not be happy just to look younger than her age?
Why the need to tear down Brenda, Suse, and Alli
ostensibly for fraternizing with Jackie? Where does
it all end, with the blood of virgins? <this is your
cue, cora sunflower!>
If soc.singles is going to have a Queen Bee, I think
she should be home grown and democratically chosen!
> Welcome home my gentleman friend.
Thank you! I pulled out two cactus spines yesterday,
no doubt will find more. (No "teddy bear" chollas,
I've become adept at avoiding them.) I saw a
roadrunner and some coyotes, at different times and
places of course. And hummingbirds in the desert,
who'd have thought?
Maybe I'll update my web page when I get the photos
developed.
BTW, I recommend Jepson 1989 (late disgorged) champagne,
$25.99 at Beverages and More. Not only do I have no
ill effects -- I didn't even hit any walls ;) -- but I
feel great this morning!
How was your millenium celebration down under? I saw
TV footage of the fireworks off Sydney Harbor Bridge
and it looked grand.
George
Coralie Naumann
<ging...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> "Coralie Naumann" <cnau...@goul-burn.net.au> wrote:
> >
> > <ging...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> > > But it's something else entirely to look 20 years
> > > younger than one's age without trickery.
> >
> > i agree it is rare but i think it can happen,
> > faith george, FAITH. If faith can move mountains
> > then surely appearances can be deceived.
> > Eyes of the beholder.
>
> Why not be happy just to look younger than her age?
because the "for your age" adage, does not say you are
an attractive woman. Its says, "for an old person you look
good", which is not a bad thing, but can upset some
women. I feel complimented when people who meet me
are shocked that i am between 10-15 years older than
they thought, because it is nice to appear younger. But i
do not immediately translate that into meaning they find
me attractive.
>
> Why the need to tear down Brenda, Suse, and Alli
> ostensibly for fraternizing with Jackie? Where does
> it all end, with the blood of virgins? <this is your
> cue, cora sunflower!>
I have seen pictures of Brenda and Alli, both appear
to be attractive. If they were trying to pass themselves
off as younger women then i would understand ( not
necessarily agree) why some person may want to
bring them down. I haven't seen evidence of either
woman doing this, so can only assume that the attack
was more directed at Jackie for bringing up the age
thing. Brenda, Ondrea and Alli are all attractive women,
and not just for their age.
>
> If soc.singles is going to have a Queen Bee, I think
> she should be home grown and democratically chosen!
It must be a hand count, not an electronic vote. ;-)
contestants must be in their correct category.
a) 20-25 judges 20-30
b) 26-30 ..... 20-35
c) 31-35 ..... 25-40
d) 36-40 ..... 30-45
e) 41-50 ..... 35-55
do we have enough people here?
>
> > Welcome home my gentleman friend.
>
> Thank you! I pulled out two cactus spines yesterday,
> no doubt will find more. (No "teddy bear" chollas,
> I've become adept at avoiding them.) I saw a
> roadrunner and some coyotes, at different times and
> places of course. And hummingbirds in the desert,
> who'd have thought?
We have heaps of budgerigars, rodents and dogs in
our desert but not much else. Emus and kangaroos
you see sometimes but they more often stay closer
to the hills.
>
> Maybe I'll update my web page when I get the photos
> developed.
that would be cool, would love to see your pics.
>
> BTW, I recommend Jepson 1989 (late disgorged) champagne,
> $25.99 at Beverages and More. Not only do I have no
> ill effects -- I didn't even hit any walls ;) -- but I
> feel great this morning!
cheeky devil... did you see the pic of my wall hitting
experience?
http://www.wall-victims.freeservers.com
i had a great time so i am told..... ;-)- found out i
actually cracked my scull. Thought i was tougher
than that. Turning 50 does have its sore points.
>
> How was your millenium celebration down under? I saw
> TV footage of the fireworks off Sydney Harbor Bridge
> and it looked grand.
I live in a very small country town so it wasn't a big
event.... street party and fire-works that is all.
--
Coralie
cnau...@goul-burn.net.au
(remove the "-" to email me)
>
>
George Davenport
>
> <ging...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> > "Coralie Naumann" <cnau...@goul-burn.net.au> wrote:
> > >
> > > <ging...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> > > > But it's something else entirely to look 20 years
> > > > younger than one's age without trickery.
> > >
> > > i agree it is rare but i think it can happen,
> > > faith george, FAITH. If faith can move mountains
> > > then surely appearances can be deceived.
> > > Eyes of the beholder.
> >
> > Why not be happy just to look younger than her age?
>
> because the "for your age" adage, does not say you are
> an attractive woman. Its says, "for an old person you look
> good", which is not a bad thing, but can upset some women.
In case you're misunderstanding, I'm not referring to any
comment *I've* made about Ondrea's looks. I realize that my
honest opinion may or may not have been perceived as flattering.
Allow me to rephrase. Why not be happy just to look younger
than one's age, given that one has constant reinforcement of
attractiveness from family, friends, and lover(s)?
> I feel complimented when people who meet me
> are shocked that i am between 10-15 years older than
> they thought, because it is nice to appear younger. But i
> do not immediately translate that into meaning they find
> me attractive.
But then when you want such attention, how (and from whom)
do *you* go about getting it? Hmm? Dare I call your approach
"mature"?
> > If soc.singles is going to have a Queen Bee, I think
> > she should be home grown and democratically chosen!
>
> It must be a hand count, not an electronic vote. ;-)
No pregnant chads, and vote buying actively encouraged ...
> contestants must be in their correct category.
>
> a) 20-25 judges 20-30
> b) 26-30 ..... 20-35
> c) 31-35 ..... 25-40
> d) 36-40 ..... 30-45
> e) 41-50 ..... 35-55
Seriously, I think the women of soc.singles should choose the
Queen Bee, and that the Crown should be good for extra
attention at boinks.
> > [roadrunner & coyotes & hummingbirds in the desert]
>
> We have heaps of budgerigars, rodents and dogs in
> our desert but not much else. Emus and kangaroos
> you see sometimes but they more often stay closer
> to the hills.
I was there some years back, saw a wild wombat and a
bunch of wild roos, a pet emu in a backyard ... it was cool.
>[champagne etc]
> cheeky devil... did you see the pic of my wall hitting
> experience?
> http://www.wall-victims.freeservers.com
Your lead pic has a goth look. I think it could pass for 20
years younger. ;)
> i had a great time so i am told..... ;-)- found out i
> actually cracked my scull. Thought i was tougher
> than that. Turning 50 does have its sore points.
No medical emergency in that, I hope.
> [millenium]
> I live in a very small country town so it wasn't a big
> event.... street party and fire-works that is all.
Where in Australia?
George
antieru
<cnau...@goul-burn.net.au> wrote:
>
>"antieru" <ant...@excite.com> wrote in message
>news:8upv4tkje9sjeisdo...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 1 Jan 2001 10:05:53 +1100, "Coralie Naumann"
>> <cnau...@goul-burn.net.au> wrote:
>>
><snip>
>> If I could give new year wishes, I would wish you the year you deserve
>> and Dan a little love so he could understand what you are saying.
>Thanks Kim. I wish Dan a great big pile of love, i don't
>think a little will be enough to wipe away the past pain.
It would help, plus it would give him incentive to want more.
>Love would have to be the most powerful antidote known.
It can be. ;)
>> >Have you caught your tail yet?
>>
>> Does the tail come with horns or fur? ;)
>
>i think dan's is just fur, like a young pup.
>he is not evil, just misguided.
A fussy poodle? My mother had one once, very neurotic but sweet.
Perhaps a finicky cat.
>> I hope you have a wonderful new year.
>
>i hope you get your heart's desires, this year
>and all the years to come.....
I already have (knock on wood). Thanks!
Kim
The Danimal
> On Mon, 1 Jan 2001 17:46:16 +1100, "Coralie Naumann"
> <cnau...@goul-burn.net.au> wrote:
> >"antieru" <ant...@excite.com> wrote in message
> >news:8upv4tkje9sjeisdo...@4ax.com...
> >> If I could give new year wishes, I would wish you the year you deserve
> >> and Dan a little love so he could understand what you are saying.
>
> >Thanks Kim. I wish Dan a great big pile of love,
From your daughter?
Or would you say I am unworthy to experience all the love your
daughter can give, and that I should settle for love from some
less valuable person? (Presumably your daughter would consider
me unworthy of her, but I want to know what you think.)
> >i don't
> >think a little will be enough to wipe away the past pain.
Then clearly I need your daughter.
> It would help, plus it would give him incentive to want more.
This is true. To the extent that I have experienced the love
of beautiful young women, I want more. Funny how 99% of men
agree.
Incidentally, a "midlife crisis" is not where a middle-aged
man tries to "recover his lost youth," but rather where a
middle-aged man tries to recover his lost access to young
women.
The Greeks recognized three distinct kinds of love. Which are
you talking about, and why?
Do you accept every kind of love from every person equally, or
do you reject offers from certain people to give you certain
kinds of love?
If the latter, then you believe there are certain kinds of love
from certain kinds of people that aren't worth having. Which
would make you not much different than me.
All this glittering generality about "love" sounds great but
when we get down to specifics it always turns out lovers have
to meet some qualifications, and some people are more qualified
than others. As long as the unqualified know their place there's
no problem. But let one of them get uppity with you, and you will
immediately show them back to their place.
> >Love would have to be the most powerful antidote known.
For what...standards?
Do you think love is something that just automatically happens
to anybody, or do you suppose some people are better
equipped to find it---and supply it---than others?
> >i hope you get your heart's desires, this year
> >and all the years to come.....
A world in which everybody got to satisfy every urge would be
a very strange place, to say the least. Given the number of
conflicting urges out there, the only way to do this would
be to create simulated worlds in which everybody could have
the experience of running wild without cramping anybody
else's experience.
> I already have (knock on wood). Thanks!
Is one of your heart's desires for Jackie to stop posting?
Or to stop being so rude to fat people?
-- the Danimal
antieru
<dNmOcS...@NmOfSmP.cAoMm> wrote:
>antieru wrote:
>> On Mon, 1 Jan 2001 17:46:16 +1100, "Coralie Naumann"
>> <cnau...@goul-burn.net.au> wrote:
>> >"antieru" <ant...@excite.com> wrote in message
>> >news:8upv4tkje9sjeisdo...@4ax.com...
>> ><snip>
>> >> If I could give new year wishes, I would wish you the year you deserve
>> >> and Dan a little love so he could understand what you are saying.
>>
>> >Thanks Kim. I wish Dan a great big pile of love,
>
>From your daughter?
>
>Or would you say I am unworthy to experience all the love your
>daughter can give, and that I should settle for love from some
>less valuable person? (Presumably your daughter would consider
>me unworthy of her, but I want to know what you think.)
What's your annual income?
How big's your tallywacker?
After all, isn't smv the god you bow to?
(sniperoo)
>> >Love would have to be the most powerful antidote known.
>
>For what...standards?
For chasing your dick around like a horny teenager. Compensating for
lost youth, Dan? It's ok, I understand.
>Do you think love is something that just automatically happens
>to anybody, or do you suppose some people are better
>equipped to find it---and supply it---than others?
Those that are receptive to it are better equipped. Those that are
always looking over shoulders for the next best thing don't appear to
be open for much except the doorway.
>> >i hope you get your heart's desires, this year
>> >and all the years to come.....
>
>A world in which everybody got to satisfy every urge would be
>a very strange place, to say the least. Given the number of
>conflicting urges out there, the only way to do this would
>be to create simulated worlds in which everybody could have
>the experience of running wild without cramping anybody
>else's experience.
Wouldn't that be your idea of Utopia?
>> I already have (knock on wood). Thanks!
>
>Is one of your heart's desires for Jackie to stop posting?
Good Lord, no. I wouldn't waste a heart's desire on that!
>Or to stop being so rude to fat people?
Reality is such a wonderful concept.
Kim
Shawn T Pickrell
: What's your annual income?
~$65,000/year
: How big's your tallywacker?
5" long
: After all, isn't smv the god you bow to?
bow down before the one you serve.
: For chasing your dick around like a horny teenager. Compensating for
: lost youth, Dan? It's ok, I understand.
it's all about self-control.
red sportscar, shiny new blonde in the front. said blonde will
probably be my teenage daughter.
no, rebecca is not pregnant.
: Those that are receptive to it are better equipped. Those that are
: always looking over shoulders for the next best thing don't appear to
: be open for much except the doorway.
sooner or later we all settle.
dan, is it quite normal to be expressing such feelings over a girl
you haven't talked to even? (coralie, dan correct me if i am wrong here).
you knowi nothing of this girl save that she is young and attractive.
kim, if you recall dan sported wood that one time that girl came on here
and wanted to know how to get rid of her obese friends.
: Good Lord, no. I wouldn't waste a heart's desire on that!
but u have an unlimited # of them
:>Or to stop being so rude to fat people?
: Reality is such a wonderful concept.
i don't think much of it myself.
that includes the time when i was 5'8" and 130 lbs.
--
Shawn Pickrell
15 November 2000: Barbados 0-4 USA
Sk00T
<92vs05$e...@portal.gmu.edu>:
>antieru <ant...@excite.com> wrote:
>
>: What's your annual income?
>
>~$65,000/year
>
>: How big's your tallywacker?
>
>5" long
>
>: After all, isn't smv the god you bow to?
>
>bow down before the one you serve.
>
>: For chasing your dick around like a horny teenager.
I resemble that remark!
Marty
BrendaLee
Marty that was *really* very funny
Haha!
BrendaLee
--
BrendaLee
Lady DreamCatcher
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://www.cocreator.com/ehmka/
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
when you dance with an angel the angel don't change the angel
changes you
~~jackie 'anakin' tokeman~~
antieru
<spic...@mason2.gmu.edu> sed:
>antieru <ant...@excite.com> wrote:
>
>: What's your annual income?
>
>~$65,000/year
USD??? That is important, ya know. If it were CDN, then that would
only be about a buck and a half.
>: How big's your tallywacker?
>
>5" long
When did you get to see Dan's tallywacker?
>: After all, isn't smv the god you bow to?
>
>bow down before the one you serve.
I'm personally looking for The God of a Decent Night's Sleep.
>: For chasing your dick around like a horny teenager. Compensating for
>: lost youth, Dan? It's ok, I understand.
>
>it's all about self-control.
>
>red sportscar, shiny new blonde in the front. said blonde will
>probably be my teenage daughter.
O man of the future, tell me the winning numbers.
>no, rebecca is not pregnant.
Mebbe one day...
>: Those that are receptive to it are better equipped. Those that are
>: always looking over shoulders for the next best thing don't appear to
>: be open for much except the doorway.
>
>sooner or later we all settle.
Settle has such a crappy connotation here.
What you would consider fun might not what I consider fun. Thanks
for stating the obvious, I know.
>dan, is it quite normal to be expressing such feelings over a girl
>you haven't talked to even? (coralie, dan correct me if i am wrong here).
He was probably attempting to dis Coralie by comparing her to her
daughter. I could be wrong.
>you knowi nothing of this girl save that she is young and attractive.
That's all that matters, right?
>kim, if you recall dan sported wood that one time that girl came on here
>and wanted to know how to get rid of her obese friends.
Vaguely. Dan's an excitable fellow.
>: Good Lord, no. I wouldn't waste a heart's desire on that!
>
>but u have an unlimited # of them
I still wouldn't want to waste one.
>:>Or to stop being so rude to fat people?
>
>: Reality is such a wonderful concept.
>
>i don't think much of it myself.
It can be a lot of fun.
Really.
>that includes the time when i was 5'8" and 130 lbs.
All that matters is that you are happy, not whether someone else's
laundry list is filled. (obvious point #2)
Kim
Shawn T Pickrell
: On 3 Jan 2001 18:45:25 GMT, , Shawn T Pickrell
: <spic...@mason2.gmu.edu> sed:
:>antieru <ant...@excite.com> wrote:
:>
:>: What's your annual income?
:>
:>~$65,000/year
: USD??? That is important, ya know. If it were CDN, then that would
: only be about a buck and a half.
USD.
:>: How big's your tallywacker?
:>
:>5" long
: When did you get to see Dan's tallywacker?
i was talking about my tallywacker.
:>bow down before the one you serve.
: I'm personally looking for The God of a Decent Night's Sleep.
go talk to your husband about that ;)
:>: For chasing your dick around like a horny teenager. Compensating for
:>: lost youth, Dan? It's ok, I understand.
:>
:>it's all about self-control.
:>
:>red sportscar, shiny new blonde in the front. said blonde will
:>probably be my teenage daughter.
: O man of the future, tell me the winning numbers.
this is something entirely within my control.
:>no, rebecca is not pregnant.
: Mebbe one day...
this is something DEFINITELY within my control.
:>sooner or later we all settle.
: Settle has such a crappy connotation here.
i know. but the thing is you cannot conclusively search for THE perfect
woman among the thousands in your age range within a reasonable
geographical region. you merely measure them against your criteria
and take the first one who scores high enough.
make sure loneliness won't make you boost a 3 to a 10, though. that would
suck bigtime.
: What you would consider fun might not what I consider fun. Thanks
: for stating the obvious, I know.
no problem.
:>dan, is it quite normal to be expressing such feelings over a girl
:>you haven't talked to even? (coralie, dan correct me if i am wrong here).
: He was probably attempting to dis Coralie by comparing her to her
: daughter. I could be wrong.
i dunno. i think he was doing that earlier.
but if you recall when coralie was talking about her daughter earlier,
dan showed a lot of interest.
:>you knowi nothing of this girl save that she is young and attractive.
: That's all that matters, right?
to dan, perhaps.
:>kim, if you recall dan sported wood that one time that girl came on here
:>and wanted to know how to get rid of her obese friends.
: Vaguely. Dan's an excitable fellow.
i found it funny esp. since the other men and women here were alternately
chiding her, slamming her, flaming her and believing her to be a troll
of some sort.
:>but u have an unlimited # of them
: I still wouldn't want to waste one.
now that's low
:>i don't think much of it myself.
: It can be a lot of fun.
: Really.
bleh.
:>that includes the time when i was 5'8" and 130 lbs.
: All that matters is that you are happy, not whether someone else's
: laundry list is filled. (obvious point #2)
i feel more secure in myself now than i did when i was 16 and thin.
what's up with that.
Shawn T Pickrell
:>
:>: For chasing your dick around like a horny teenager.
: I resemble that remark!
hahaha
horny teenager is two words used where one would have sufficed.
for girls and boys too. it's just not politically correct to ack that
teenage girls are just as hormone ridden if not more so than teenage
guys.
Frans Buijsen
GMT:
> red sportscar, shiny new blonde in the front. said blonde will
> probably be my teenage daughter.
>
> no, rebecca is not pregnant.
The relevant question, of course, is: Is she blond? Otherwise we might
have to investigate the hair colours of the delivery staff.
> : Those that are receptive to it are better equipped. Those that are
> : always looking over shoulders for the next best thing don't appear to
> : be open for much except the doorway.
>
> sooner or later we all settle.
>
> dan, is it quite normal to be expressing such feelings over a girl
> you haven't talked to even? (coralie, dan correct me if i am wrong here).
>
> you knowi nothing of this girl save that she is young and attractive.
This is not quite true: Coralie has been telling us here about her
daughter's worries and troubles. Coupled with the fotos of a very
beautiful girl who looked rather insecure (in that irresistible fashion)
in these photos tells us quite a bit: she is a very beautiful young
woman who apparently has not yet been subject to the amounts of male
adoration you would expect for someone like her. Or she is unusually
modest by nature.
I am not sure why this would make Dan sport wood in the way he
professes, but I do remember that when Coralie was posting about her
daughter feeling bad, I was surprised (though the photos acked it)
because she really has that adorable innocent look we all lost somewhere
down the line and we still regret that.
For all I know, this may have to do with the hereditary or environmental
things: Coralie herself also really does look younger, particularly in
the ways that are hard to quantify -- like the way she looks into the
camera. (Happy wall-hitting times, Coraliebaby!)
>
> kim, if you recall dan sported wood that one time that girl came on here
> and wanted to know how to get rid of her obese friends.
>
> : Good Lord, no. I wouldn't waste a heart's desire on that!
>
> but u have an unlimited # of them
>
> :>Or to stop being so rude to fat people?
>
> : Reality is such a wonderful concept.
>
> i don't think much of it myself.
>
> that includes the time when i was 5'8" and 130 lbs.
>
>
--
Frans Buijsen
Really; what person with a life is going to go door to door
handing out stupid religious tracts? Other than a candidate for
political office, of course. (Uncle Gargoyle)
Shawn T Pickrell
: The relevant question, of course, is: Is she blond? Otherwise we might
: have to investigate the hair colours of the delivery staff.
lighter hair than me.
fresh brunette in the front seat then.
:> dan, is it quite normal to be expressing such feelings over a girl
:> you haven't talked to even? (coralie, dan correct me if i am wrong here).
:>
:> you knowi nothing of this girl save that she is young and attractive.
: This is not quite true: Coralie has been telling us here about her
: daughter's worries and troubles. Coupled with the fotos of a very
: beautiful girl who looked rather insecure (in that irresistible fashion)
: in these photos tells us quite a bit: she is a very beautiful young
: woman who apparently has not yet been subject to the amounts of male
: adoration you would expect for someone like her. Or she is unusually
: modest by nature.
prolly a combination of both.
: I am not sure why this would make Dan sport wood in the way he
: professes, but I do remember that when Coralie was posting about her
: daughter feeling bad, I was surprised (though the photos acked it)
: because she really has that adorable innocent look we all lost somewhere
: down the line and we still regret that.
i liked her too.
: For all I know, this may have to do with the hereditary or environmental
: things: Coralie herself also really does look younger, particularly in
: the ways that are hard to quantify -- like the way she looks into the
: camera. (Happy wall-hitting times, Coraliebaby!)
i'd still bone her. metaphorically speaking of course.
Aaron R. Kulkis
>
> On 3 Jan 2001 18:45:25 GMT, , Shawn T Pickrell
> <spic...@mason2.gmu.edu> sed:
>
> >antieru <ant...@excite.com> wrote:
> >
> >: What's your annual income?
> >
> >~$65,000/year
>
> USD??? That is important, ya know. If it were CDN, then that would
> only be about a buck and a half.
Even worse if it's Aussie dollars.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
Coralie Naumann
"George Davenport" <ging...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:%0d46.108$PR4.1...@news.pacbell.net...
> Coralie Naumann <cnau...@goul-burn.net.au> wrote
> >
> > <ging...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> > > "Coralie Naumann" <cnau...@goul-burn.net.au> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > <ging...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> > > > > But it's something else entirely to look 20 years
> > > > > younger than one's age without trickery.
> > > >
> > > Why not be happy just to look younger than her age?
> >
> > because the "for your age" adage, does not say you are
> > an attractive woman. Its says, "for an old person you look
> > good", which is not a bad thing, but can upset some women.
>
> In case you're misunderstanding, I'm not referring to any
> comment *I've* made about Ondrea's looks. I realize that my
> honest opinion may or may not have been perceived as flattering.
>
> Allow me to rephrase. Why not be happy just to look younger
> than one's age, given that one has constant reinforcement of
> attractiveness from family, friends, and lover(s)?
assuming one does have that...
some people don't get the reinforcement from those
closest to them. Even beautiful people get neglected
by those close to them. Family, friends and lovers
very quickly assume that you don't need to be told
you are attractive. Strangers or those who have not
seen you for years are normally the ones who hand
out the compliments about your appearance.
>
> > I feel complimented when people who meet me
> > are shocked that i am between 10-15 years older than
> > they thought, because it is nice to appear younger. But i
> > do not immediately translate that into meaning they find
> > me attractive.
>
> But then when you want such attention, how (and from whom)
> do *you* go about getting it? Hmm? Dare I call your approach
> "mature"?
hehe! Mum would be impressed, she still thinks i am
very immature.
If i need to know if i look attractive i just ask my kids?
they are painfully honest. Many's the time i have
changed my dress or done my hair different because
one of my children says,
"Mum you are not going out like that are you?"
Naomi is great, she compliments me all the time, and
also puts me down when i need it.
The lover, whoever he may be, acts proud to be with
me but does not say much. I suppose that is okay.
If i am really feeling down on myself, which does
happen occasionally, i have a hot bath, dress up
a bit and go and visit a friend. Or go to bed early,
read a good book, and hope the feeling passes.
>
> > > If soc.singles is going to have a Queen Bee, I think
> > > she should be home grown and democratically chosen!
> >
> > It must be a hand count, not an electronic vote. ;-)
>
> No pregnant chads, and vote buying actively encouraged ...
>
> > contestants must be in their correct category.
> >
> > a) 20-25 judges 20-30
> > b) 26-30 ..... 20-35
> > c) 31-35 ..... 25-40
> > d) 36-40 ..... 30-45
> > e) 41-50 ..... 35-55
>
> Seriously, I think the women of soc.singles should choose the
> Queen Bee, and that the Crown should be good for extra
> attention at boinks.
Why do we need one at all? The extra attention will
come naturally if the lady has got enough to offer.
Assuming she leaves her partner at home.... ;-)
>
> > > [roadrunner & coyotes & hummingbirds in the desert]
> >
> > We have heaps of budgerigars, rodents and dogs in
> > our desert but not much else. Emus and kangaroos
> > you see sometimes but they more often stay closer
> > to the hills.
>
> I was there some years back, saw a wild wombat and a
> bunch of wild roos, a pet emu in a backyard ... it was cool.
Where i live we have an abundance of roos and wombats.
Unfortunately i hit a wombat with the car recently, it was
like hitting a rock. Poor wombat was killed and i cried for
the rest of the trip home. In some areas we have road
signs to warn you about kangaroos and wombats and
that must save a few, but their bodies are all over the
highways and it is so sad.
>
> >[champagne etc]
> > cheeky devil... did you see the pic of my wall hitting
> > experience?
> > http://www.wall-victims.freeservers.com
>
> Your lead pic has a goth look. I think it could pass for 20
> years younger. ;)
Isn't it amazing, one of the soc.singles guys who has
met me says the picture is terrible and should be
replaced. he thinks i should put up one of my earlier
shots that show my cleavage. I asked him if i had a young
looking cleavage... can't remember his reply.
Says the pic was very green. i was a bit off-colour
that day... hehe.
>
> > i had a great time so i am told..... ;-)- found out i
> > actually cracked my scull. Thought i was tougher
> > than that. Turning 50 does have its sore points.
>
> No medical emergency in that, I hope.
i won't be able to raise my eyebrows as well and the
frowning muscles may suffer, but that is all.
>
> > [millenium]
> > I live in a very small country town so it wasn't a big
> > event.... street party and fire-works that is all.
>
> Where in Australia?
south eastern NSW about an hrs drive sth/east of
Canberra. Sitting on the shelf of the Great Dividing
Range just before it plunges down to the coastline.
Where are you?
--
Coralie
cnau...@goul-burn.net.au
(remove the "-" to email me)
--
The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams.
Eleanor Roosevelt (1884-1962)
>
>
> George
>
>
>
Aaron R. Kulkis
...take off your clothes.
Coralie Naumann
"Frans Buijsen" <f.bu...@cable.a2000.nl> wrote in message
news:MPG.14bdc880d...@news.cis.dfn.de...
We live in a very small community so she is not
used to much attention from males. Also she is very
shy and would not know how to handle too much
attention.
> I am not sure why this would make Dan sport wood in the way he
> professes, but I do remember that when Coralie was posting about her
> daughter feeling bad, I was surprised (though the photos acked it)
> because she really has that adorable innocent look we all lost
somewhere
> down the line and we still regret that.
Dan is a magazine man so a picture is all he needs.
And i can relate to that lost innocence part.
So long ago (sigh!)
>
> For all I know, this may have to do with the hereditary or
environmental
> things: Coralie herself also really does look younger, particularly in
> the ways that are hard to quantify -- like the way she looks into the
> camera. (Happy wall-hitting times, Coraliebaby!)
Thank you kind sir. ;-)
>
>
> >
> > kim, if you recall dan sported wood that one time that girl came on
here
> > and wanted to know how to get rid of her obese friends.
> >
> > : Good Lord, no. I wouldn't waste a heart's desire on that!
> >
> > but u have an unlimited # of them
> >
> > :>Or to stop being so rude to fat people?
> >
> > : Reality is such a wonderful concept.
> >
> > i don't think much of it myself.
> >
> > that includes the time when i was 5'8" and 130 lbs.
> >
> >
>
> --
> Frans Buijsen
> Really; what person with a life is going to go door to door
> handing out stupid religious tracts? Other than a candidate for
> political office, of course. (Uncle Gargoyle)
Coralie Naumann
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <aku...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3A54091F...@yahoo.com...
>
>
> ...take off your clothes.
that might work... but it could send everyone ducking for cover.
--
Coralie
cnau...@goul-burn.net.au
(remove the "-" to email me)
>
>
Steve Chaney
<cnau...@goul-burn.net.au> wrote:
>
>"Aaron R. Kulkis" <aku...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:3A54091F...@yahoo.com...
>>
>>
>> ...take off your clothes.
>
>that might work... but it could send everyone ducking for cover.
In Aaron's case, most certainly. Women would be ducking for cover out
of fear.
In your case, it is also a yes. What with all those wives cowering in
fear of you turning into a homewreckingball poised to free their
husbands from dull & boring sex. But I'm sure that wouldn't have been
your intent. :)
-- Steve
===============================
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http://www.self-acceptance.org
"As long as an enemy is judged solely by his
appearance, his victory is assured." - Outer Limits
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Allisson
George Davenport <ging...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>Coralie Naumann <cnau...@goul-burn.net.au> wrote
>>
>> <ging...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>> > "Coralie Naumann" <cnau...@goul-burn.net.au> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > <ging...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>> > > > But it's something else entirely to look 20 years
>> > > > younger than one's age without trickery.
>> > >
>> > > i agree it is rare but i think it can happen,
>> > > faith george, FAITH. If faith can move mountains
>> > > then surely appearances can be deceived.
>> > > Eyes of the beholder.
>> >
>> > Why not be happy just to look younger than her age?
>>
>> because the "for your age" adage, does not say you are
>> an attractive woman. Its says, "for an old person you look
>> good", which is not a bad thing, but can upset some women.
>
>In case you're misunderstanding, I'm not referring to any
>comment *I've* made about Ondrea's looks. I realize that my
>honest opinion may or may not have been perceived as flattering.
John got proofed 2 days after his 33rd birthday and I got the nod
(or maybe in Indiana they don't require all people, just those
paying, to be proofed) of you're okay. Sigh, I cannot recall the
last time anyone proofed me.
>Allow me to rephrase. Why not be happy just to look younger
>than one's age, given that one has constant reinforcement of
>attractiveness from family, friends, and lover(s)?
Agreed, I like my age (albeit I wish I were younger so that when
John and I start a family, I'm younger). Then again, I've almost
always liked my age.
>
>> I feel complimented when people who meet me
>> are shocked that i am between 10-15 years older than
>> they thought, because it is nice to appear younger. But i
>> do not immediately translate that into meaning they find
>> me attractive.
>
>But then when you want such attention, how (and from whom)
>do *you* go about getting it? Hmm? Dare I call your approach
>"mature"?
I only hope that my looking younger than my years will hold
for awhile. Meg Ryan looks younger than her years and Lauren
Bacall, granted with perhaps surgical help, has aged fantastically.
>
>> > If soc.singles is going to have a Queen Bee, I think
>> > she should be home grown and democratically chosen!
>>
>> It must be a hand count, not an electronic vote. ;-)
>
>No pregnant chads, and vote buying actively encouraged ...
Mint-chocolate chip cookies -- low-fat and tasty --- anyone.
>
>> contestants must be in their correct category.
>>
>> a) 20-25 judges 20-30
>> b) 26-30 ..... 20-35
>> c) 31-35 ..... 25-40
>> d) 36-40 ..... 30-45
>> e) 41-50 ..... 35-55
>
>Seriously, I think the women of soc.singles should choose the
>Queen Bee, and that the Crown should be good for extra
>attention at boinks.
We could borrow Charlotte (the farm animal's sister) of
Charleston's tiara ... I was there when it was bought.
[drooling over the travelogue deleted]
Alli
[I always wanted to look like Audrey Hepburn in Roman Holiday]
--
--
"they say hell hath no fury like a woman scorned; 'they' never met
a man scorned" -- Unknown
antieru
<spic...@mason2.gmu.edu> sed:
>antieru <ant...@excite.com > wrote:
>: On 3 Jan 2001 18:45:25 GMT, , Shawn T Pickrell
>: <spic...@mason2.gmu.edu> sed:
>
>:>antieru <ant...@excite.com> wrote:
>:>
>:>: What's your annual income?
>:>
>:>~$65,000/year
>
>: USD??? That is important, ya know. If it were CDN, then that would
>: only be about a buck and a half.
>
>USD.
Wealthy beyond words. Come live here and ye shall be a millionaire!
>:>: How big's your tallywacker?
>:>
>:>5" long
>
>: When did you get to see Dan's tallywacker?
>
>i was talking about my tallywacker.
You're married. I'm married. Should we be talking about *your*
tallywacker?
>:>bow down before the one you serve.
>
>: I'm personally looking for The God of a Decent Night's Sleep.
>
>go talk to your husband about that ;)
LOL!
Had a dilemma and it was taxing my one brain cell. Dilemma over, and
now my brain cell can have a rest.
>:>: For chasing your dick around like a horny teenager. Compensating for
>:>: lost youth, Dan? It's ok, I understand.
>:>
>:>it's all about self-control.
>:>
>:>red sportscar, shiny new blonde in the front. said blonde will
>:>probably be my teenage daughter.
>
>: O man of the future, tell me the winning numbers.
>
>this is something entirely within my control.
Well, what are they????????
>:>no, rebecca is not pregnant.
>
>: Mebbe one day...
>
>this is something DEFINITELY within my control.
Har. You think.
>:>sooner or later we all settle.
>
>: Settle has such a crappy connotation here.
>
>i know. but the thing is you cannot conclusively search for THE perfect
>woman among the thousands in your age range within a reasonable
>geographical region. you merely measure them against your criteria
>and take the first one who scores high enough.
I have always considered it to be the person whose faults I can
tolerate. ;)
>make sure loneliness won't make you boost a 3 to a 10, though. that would
>suck bigtime.
That would just be desperation. I have met people who just can't be
alone. It is like they are dying or something like that. They would
be with a slug if it meant that they were part of a "couple".
SMV, compatibilty, or any of the intangibles don't count.
>: What you would consider fun might not what I consider fun. Thanks
>: for stating the obvious, I know.
>
>no problem.
>
>:>dan, is it quite normal to be expressing such feelings over a girl
>:>you haven't talked to even? (coralie, dan correct me if i am wrong here).
>
>: He was probably attempting to dis Coralie by comparing her to her
>: daughter. I could be wrong.
>
>i dunno. i think he was doing that earlier.
>
>but if you recall when coralie was talking about her daughter earlier,
>dan showed a lot of interest.
I'll take your word for it. I haven't read much of Dan lately.
>:>you knowi nothing of this girl save that she is young and attractive.
>
>: That's all that matters, right?
>
>to dan, perhaps.
>
>:>kim, if you recall dan sported wood that one time that girl came on here
>:>and wanted to know how to get rid of her obese friends.
>
>: Vaguely. Dan's an excitable fellow.
>
>i found it funny esp. since the other men and women here were alternately
>chiding her, slamming her, flaming her and believing her to be a troll
>of some sort.
Naw. Coralie's a sweetie.
>:>but u have an unlimited # of them
>
>: I still wouldn't want to waste one.
>
>now that's low
I might need it one day.
>:>i don't think much of it myself.
>
>: It can be a lot of fun.
>
>: Really.
>
>bleh.
Reality is that you have a wife you love. That sounds like fun.
>:>that includes the time when i was 5'8" and 130 lbs.
>
>: All that matters is that you are happy, not whether someone else's
>: laundry list is filled. (obvious point #2)
>
>i feel more secure in myself now than i did when i was 16 and thin.
It is all in your mind. Most things of any value are.
>what's up with that.
I feel so much better about so much now at 34 than I ever did at 20.
I would never want to be 20 again unless I could take the mindset I
have now with me.
Kim
Shawn T Pickrell
: On 3 Jan 2001 22:15:11 GMT, , Shawn T Pickrell
: <spic...@mason2.gmu.edu> sed:
:>: USD??? That is important, ya know. If it were CDN, then that would
:>: only be about a buck and a half.
:>
:>USD.
: Wealthy beyond words. Come live here and ye shall be a millionaire!
ooh nice. but then i'd be living in canada.
at least it's not quebec.
:>: When did you get to see Dan's tallywacker?
:>
:>i was talking about my tallywacker.
: You're married. I'm married. Should we be talking about *your*
: tallywacker?
i fail to see why my openness on such amtters should be closed just b/c
i am married now.
: Had a dilemma and it was taxing my one brain cell. Dilemma over, and
: now my brain cell can have a rest.
oh good. you should look into getting a spare.
:>this is something DEFINITELY within my control.
: Har. You think.
well i can always shut off the supply.
: I have always considered it to be the person whose faults I can
: tolerate. ;)
who can tolerate my faults is more like it.
: That would just be desperation. I have met people who just can't be
: alone. It is like they are dying or something like that. They would
: be with a slug if it meant that they were part of a "couple".
: SMV, compatibilty, or any of the intangibles don't count.
what, you mean there are things where smv might not matter??
:>but if you recall when coralie was talking about her daughter earlier,
:>dan showed a lot of interest.
: I'll take your word for it. I haven't read much of Dan lately.
somehow that doesn't surprise me.
:>i found it funny esp. since the other men and women here were alternately
:>chiding her, slamming her, flaming her and believing her to be a troll
:>of some sort.
: Naw. Coralie's a sweetie.
this was some chick named wendy a one-off poster a while back.
: Reality is that you have a wife you love. That sounds like fun.
true.
:>i feel more secure in myself now than i did when i was 16 and thin.
: It is all in your mind. Most things of any value are.
:>what's up with that.
: I feel so much better about so much now at 34 than I ever did at 20.
: I would never want to be 20 again unless I could take the mindset I
: have now with me.
yes, but is your smv as high now?
antieru
<spic...@mason2.gmu.edu> sed:
>antieru <ant...@excite.com > wrote:
>: On 3 Jan 2001 22:15:11 GMT, , Shawn T Pickrell
>: <spic...@mason2.gmu.edu> sed:
>
>:>: USD??? That is important, ya know. If it were CDN, then that would
>:>: only be about a buck and a half.
>:>
>:>USD.
>
>: Wealthy beyond words. Come live here and ye shall be a millionaire!
>
>ooh nice. but then i'd be living in canada.
It's not so bad once you get used to it.
>at least it's not quebec.
That wasn't very politically correct.
>:>: When did you get to see Dan's tallywacker?
>:>
>:>i was talking about my tallywacker.
>
>: You're married. I'm married. Should we be talking about *your*
>: tallywacker?
>
>i fail to see why my openness on such amtters should be closed just b/c
>i am married now.
That was a joke. If you really want, you can send a pic.
>: Had a dilemma and it was taxing my one brain cell. Dilemma over, and
>: now my brain cell can have a rest.
>
>oh good. you should look into getting a spare.
Too cheep. Besides, too much exercise never killed a brain cell.
>:>this is something DEFINITELY within my control.
>
>: Har. You think.
>
>well i can always shut off the supply.
Why would you want to do that??!?
>: I have always considered it to be the person whose faults I can
>: tolerate. ;)
>
>who can tolerate my faults is more like it.
You have to become perfect like I am.
*choke*
>: That would just be desperation. I have met people who just can't be
>: alone. It is like they are dying or something like that. They would
>: be with a slug if it meant that they were part of a "couple".
>
>: SMV, compatibilty, or any of the intangibles don't count.
>
>what, you mean there are things where smv might not matter??
Not when I need insight, advice, a different point of view, a
conversation, etc...
I have no idea what you look like, but we can have a cool conversation
and smv has nothing to do with it.
>:>but if you recall when coralie was talking about her daughter earlier,
>:>dan showed a lot of interest.
>
>: I'll take your word for it. I haven't read much of Dan lately.
>
>somehow that doesn't surprise me.
He takes awhile to get to the point and time is money, dammit.
>:>i found it funny esp. since the other men and women here were alternately
>:>chiding her, slamming her, flaming her and believing her to be a troll
>:>of some sort.
>
>: Naw. Coralie's a sweetie.
>
>this was some chick named wendy a one-off poster a while back.
Ah.. Ok.
>: Reality is that you have a wife you love. That sounds like fun.
>
>true.
See. Reality isn't so bad.
>:>i feel more secure in myself now than i did when i was 16 and thin.
>
>: It is all in your mind. Most things of any value are.
>
>:>what's up with that.
>
>: I feel so much better about so much now at 34 than I ever did at 20.
>: I would never want to be 20 again unless I could take the mindset I
>: have now with me.
>
>yes, but is your smv as high now?
Depends. By Jackie's definition, probably not.
But that's ok. I'm not sleeping with Jackie. ;)
Kim
George Davenport
>
> "George Davenport" <ging...@pacbell.net> wrote
> Strangers or those who have not seen you for years are normally
> the ones who hand out the compliments about your appearance.
Well, in dating, too, at least if the romance is still new. We want to
be with people who make us feel good.
> > But then when you want such attention, how (and from whom)
> > do *you* go about getting it? Hmm? Dare I call your approach
> > "mature"?
>
> hehe! Mum would be impressed, she still thinks i am
> very immature.
Do you live near her? Mine still pulls stuff on me, the old "boss the
son around in front of her friends" trick, etc. I'm glad I left the area
where I grew up.
> If i need to know if i look attractive i just ask my kids? they
> are painfully honest. Many's the time i have changed my dress
> or done my hair different because one of my children says,
> "Mum you are not going out like that are you?"
Shouldn't you be saying that to them? ;)
> The lover, whoever he may be, acts proud to be with me but
> does not say much. I suppose that is okay.
It's ok, if you're happy enough with him. Do you compliment him?
Go out for any special occasions where the two of you get to
dress up, dance, something where you can't help but take special
notice of each other?
Next time you're in a gadda da vida with him, pause a bit, look
him straight in the eye (while slowly yet artfully arching your back)
and tell him how it would mean sooo much to you if he would
tell you how good you look when the two of you are out together.
> > Seriously, I think the women of soc.singles should choose the
> > Queen Bee, and that the Crown should be good for extra
> > attention at boinks.
>
> Why do we need one at all?
Every hive needs a Queen Bee!
> In some areas we have road signs to warn you about kangaroos
> and wombats and that must save a few, but their bodies are all
> over the highways and it is so sad.
On the positive side, it means there are a lot of them to begin with.
I drove cross country with someone, from Perth to Sydney, and
was fortunate not to run into any.
> > Your lead pic has a goth look. I think it could pass for 20
> > years younger. ;)
>
> Isn't it amazing, one of the soc.singles guys who has met me
> says the picture is terrible and should be replaced.
I think of it as very San Francisco-ish. Cafes, black clothing.
Some people don't like that look.
Me, I pay attention to women's faces. And you've got attractive
hair and facial features, which you'll *still* have even as time does
its thing. So you've got this lead photo which shows off your face
and hair without highlighting signs of getting older, and is in a youthful
style. I'd hardly call that terrible. ;)
> he thinks i should put up one of my earlier shots that show my
> cleavage. I asked him if i had a young looking cleavage... can't
> remember his reply. Says the pic was very green. i was a bit
> off-colour that day... hehe.
If you want soc.singles' attention, there's always the "Full Clarice" ...
> > No medical emergency in that, I hope.
>
> i won't be able to raise my eyebrows as well and the
> frowning muscles may suffer, but that is all.
Cool.
> south eastern NSW about an hrs drive sth/east of
> Canberra. Sitting on the shelf of the Great Dividing
> Range just before it plunges down to the coastline.
>
> Where are you?
Across the Bay from San Francisco, for the past 17 years. Before
that, a year in Perth. Before that, born and raised in the Washington
DC area.
George, still thinking of going back to DC
George Davenport
> George Davenport <ging...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >Allow me to rephrase. Why not be happy just to look younger
> >than one's age, given that one has constant reinforcement of
> >attractiveness from family, friends, and lover(s)?
>
> Agreed, I like my age (albeit I wish I were younger so that when
> John and I start a family, I'm younger). Then again, I've almost
> always liked my age.
This is the second marriage for both my brother and his current wife.
They were a year older than you when they married. They now have
two lovely children. And the maturity and security to do a decent job
of marriage and parenting.
So go for it and don't worry about what you might have done in the
past if things were different.
George
Coralie Naumann
> Coralie Naumann <cnau...@goul-burn.net.au> wrote
> >
> > "George Davenport" <ging...@pacbell.net> wrote
> > >
> > Strangers or those who have not seen you for years are normally
> > the ones who hand out the compliments about your appearance.
>
> Well, in dating, too, at least if the romance is still new. We want
to
> be with people who make us feel good.
Yes, and be with those who we want to make feel good.
It has to be a 2 way street.
>
> > > But then when you want such attention, how (and from whom)
> > > do *you* go about getting it? Hmm? Dare I call your approach
> > > "mature"?
> >
> > hehe! Mum would be impressed, she still thinks i am
> > very immature.
>
> Do you live near her? Mine still pulls stuff on me, the old "boss the
> son around in front of her friends" trick, etc. I'm glad I left the
area
> where I grew up.
>
Mum is about 45 mins drive away and at a safe distance. I grew up in
Canberra and Fremantle but would call Canberra my base, always seem to
go back there. Was born in Sydney and left when i was about 7,
absolutely hate the place and would go 100km out of my way to avoid it.
Perth (or i should say W.A.) i hold very dear to my heart and would call
all the south western corner of W.A. the cream of Australia. N.Z. is my
"Blue Bayou" and would go back there in a heartbeat. (i left a
beautiful husband there.... sigh!).
> > If i need to know if i look attractive i just ask my kids? they
> > are painfully honest. Many's the time i have changed my dress
> > or done my hair different because one of my children says,
> > "Mum you are not going out like that are you?"
>
> Shouldn't you be saying that to them? ;)
I do! but really teenagers do know everything. Ask them!
>
> > The lover, whoever he may be, acts proud to be with me but
> > does not say much. I suppose that is okay.
>
> It's ok, if you're happy enough with him. Do you compliment him?
When he deserves it, i don't lie to make him feel good. I always try
and find something honest to say or just be quiet, (got that from mum)
Mum said, "If you can't find something nice to say about someone then
just shut up".
> Go out for any special occasions where the two of you get to
> dress up, dance, something where you can't help but take special
> notice of each other?
Oh yeah, but then it is his friends who pay me the attention, he just
acts as if i am his possession and isn't he the clever one.
>
> Next time you're in a gadda da vida with him, pause a bit, look
> him straight in the eye (while slowly yet artfully arching your back)
> and tell him how it would mean sooo much to you if he would
> tell you how good you look when the two of you are out together.
Too late, he is yesterday, i am looking forward to tomorrow.
>
> > > Seriously, I think the women of soc.singles should choose the
> > > Queen Bee, and that the Crown should be good for extra
> > > attention at boinks.
> >
> > Why do we need one at all?
>
> Every hive needs a Queen Bee!
Yes i suppose that is true, but where are we going to get all the little
drones and worker bees from? There are hardly enough here to sustain
her.
>
> > In some areas we have road signs to warn you about kangaroos
> > and wombats and that must save a few, but their bodies are all
> > over the highways and it is so sad.
>
> On the positive side, it means there are a lot of them to begin with.
Some in Australia see that as a negative side. You just can't please
some people.
>
> I drove cross country with someone, from Perth to Sydney, and
> was fortunate not to run into any.
What did you think of Perth and Sydney?
This poor little wombat was the first animal i have ever hit after 33
yrs of driving. One could say i have been very fortunate.
>
> > > Your lead pic has a goth look. I think it could pass for 20
> > > years younger. ;)
> >
> > Isn't it amazing, one of the soc.singles guys who has met me
> > says the picture is terrible and should be replaced.
>
> I think of it as very San Francisco-ish. Cafes, black clothing.
> Some people don't like that look.
>
> Me, I pay attention to women's faces. And you've got attractive
> hair and facial features, which you'll *still* have even as time does
> its thing. So you've got this lead photo which shows off your face
> and hair without highlighting signs of getting older, and is in a
youthful
> style. I'd hardly call that terrible. ;)
OOh i am letting this go to my head, i had better be careful.
>
> > he thinks i should put up one of my earlier shots that show my
> > cleavage. I asked him if i had a young looking cleavage... can't
> > remember his reply. Says the pic was very green. i was a bit
> > off-colour that day... hehe.
>
> If you want soc.singles' attention, there's always the "Full Clarice"
And what may i ask is the "full Clarice"? To be honest though, i would
prefer a compliment to my character than one to my looks. People saying
i am a nice person means so much more to me on soc.singles and in RL.
> > south eastern NSW about an hrs drive sth/east of
> > Canberra. Sitting on the shelf of the Great Dividing
> > Range just before it plunges down to the coastline.
> >
> > Where are you?
>
> Across the Bay from San Francisco, for the past 17 years. Before
> that, a year in Perth. Before that, born and raised in the Washington
> DC area.
>
>
> George, still thinking of going back to DC
What is the force, fond memories or work opportunities?
John Fereira
>
>>
>> > In some areas we have road signs to warn you about kangaroos
>> > and wombats and that must save a few, but their bodies are all
>> > over the highways and it is so sad.
>>
>> On the positive side, it means there are a lot of them to begin with.
>
>Some in Australia see that as a negative side. You just can't please
>some people.
Just out of curiousity, have you ever seen the "Cane Toad" video?
>And what may i ask is the "full Clarice"? To be honest though, i would
>prefer a compliment to my character than one to my looks. People saying
>i am a nice person means so much more to me on soc.singles and in RL.
You are a nice person.
John Fereira
Ithaca, NY
ja...@cornell.edu
The Danimal
>
> "George Davenport" <ging...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:%0d46.108$PR4.1...@news.pacbell.net...
> > Coralie Naumann <cnau...@goul-burn.net.au> wrote
> > > an attractive woman. Its says, "for an old person you look
> > > good", which is not a bad thing, but can upset some women.
Then it's time to wake up and smell the coffee. If you are
a 50-year old woman the best you can hope for, with current
technology, is to look good for your age. There is virtually
no chance you are going to seriously compete with
the hot young women strolling about the local mall when it
comes to thrilling men and driving them wild with all-consuming,
obsessive lust. You are at best a consolation prize for a
man who has to settle.
But that's not such a bad thing, is it? The sex can still be
adequate. It's not going to be as exciting for him as it is
for any of your daughter's boyfriends, but it might compare
with watching a good cricket match or eating a good meal.
(See if you can tempt him away from either of those activities
by prancing around naked! A slender attractive 21-year old
woman can; a 50-year old woman usually can't.)
You had your moment in the sun. Now it's over. Get used to
your new shrunken reality. A 50-year old quarterback isn't
going to win another Super Bowl. He can play toss with the
grandkids or savor his memories but he isn't going to relive
those glory days. Most people would think him addled if he
insisted on going about as though nothing had changed.
If you don't like reality, getting upset isn't going to
change anything. The only possible strategy that might work
would be to pour billions of dollars into scientific research
into the mechanisms of biological aging. Given that scientists
can now clone brand-new organisms from old adults, it stands
to reason that at least in principle rejuvenation is possible.
Figuring out how won't be easy, but the first step is to
admit we have a serious problem and to agree it's worth
throwing resources at.
> assuming one does have that...
> some people don't get the reinforcement from those
> closest to them. Even beautiful people get neglected
> by those close to them. Family, friends and lovers
> very quickly assume that you don't need to be told
> you are attractive. Strangers or those who have not
> seen you for years are normally the ones who hand
> out the compliments about your appearance.
One dubious advantage of being male, particularly a
subordinate male, is that one has no choice but to cope
very early in life with chronically unmet needs. That is
to say, being male means having needs that are often so
far beyond the bounds of feasibility that one soon comes
to regard them as being somewhat silly. They certainly
are mockable as sniggler cruelty to loserguys endlessly
demonstrates.
Women have the opposite problem, namely that they peak
in attractiveness early, and often mistake their temporary
favored treatment as being their normal entitlement. The sexual
celebrity you experienced as an attractive young woman was,
unfortunately for you, just a passing phase. As an old
woman you are lapsing toward the sort of utter indifference
most men have to endure for most of their lives from
most of the women they find attractive.
Sucks, doesn't it?
> The lover, whoever he may be, acts proud to be with
> me but does not say much. I suppose that is okay.
Better get used to it. One thing old men learn quickly about
old women is that one does not have to lie to an old woman
to keep her around. Lying is such difficult work anyway,
especially to old women who still remember what it was like
to be young and beautiful, and to have seen the look of
real lust in men's eyes.
One could possibly define "middle age" as that
time in a woman's life when a man can flatly tell her he
settled for her *AND SHE DOES NOT LEAVE*.
I invite all the old codgers reading this to try that
interesting experiment with your old women. It won't make
them happy, but amazingly they'll put up with it. It will
even make them appreciate all the more such tidbits of
kindness as you do dole out.*
Note: any man who wants to be a counterexample to
SMV theory need only relate his tale of getting dumped
by an old woman because he dissed her, as happens
regularly to men who diss young attractive women
who know they still have plenty of options.
(*So, was that a good troll or what?)
> If i am really feeling down on myself, which does
> happen occasionally, i have a hot bath, dress up
> a bit and go and visit a friend. Or go to bed early,
> read a good book, and hope the feeling passes.
You would be better off developing the state control necessary
to think about unpleasant realities objectively without
processing them emotionally.
A fact is just a fact. Your emotional response to a fact is
a different thing. You can learn to control it. Nobody says
you are obligated to get upset just because you're getting
older and uglier. You can learn to embrace that fact like
an adult, and turn off the childish emotional response.
Obviously it would be better to change the fact and dispense
with the need to control the emotional response. For several
trillion dollars it might be possible to change the
fact in question. But for some odd reason as a society we
are so deeply into our denial coping mechanism that we can't
bring ourselves to admit we have a problem we should try to
solve.
-- the Danimal
Brock Hannibal
[Lots of snippage]
> all the south western corner of W.A. the cream of Australia. N.Z. is my
> "Blue Bayou" and would go back there in a heartbeat. (i left a
> beautiful husband there.... sigh!).
So little time.
> > > If i need to know if i look attractive i just ask my kids? they
> > > are painfully honest. Many's the time i have changed my dress
> > > or done my hair different because one of my children says,
> > > "Mum you are not going out like that are you?"
> >
> > Shouldn't you be saying that to them? ;)
>
> I do! but really teenagers do know everything. Ask them!
I dread the day when Quinn starts acting like a typical teenager.
> > > The lover, whoever he may be, acts proud to be with me but
> > > does not say much. I suppose that is okay.
> >
> > It's ok, if you're happy enough with him. Do you compliment him?
>
> When he deserves it, i don't lie to make him feel good. I always try
> and find something honest to say or just be quiet, (got that from mum)
> Mum said, "If you can't find something nice to say about someone then
> just shut up".
And she got it from Disney's "Bambi". Heh, heh.
> > Go out for any special occasions where the two of you get to
> > dress up, dance, something where you can't help but take special
> > notice of each other?
>
> Oh yeah, but then it is his friends who pay me the attention, he just
> acts as if i am his possession and isn't he the clever one.
There are times when treating your woman as a trophy strokes her ego and
yours too.
> > Next time you're in a gadda da vida with him, pause a bit, look
> > him straight in the eye (while slowly yet artfully arching your back)
> > and tell him how it would mean sooo much to you if he would
> > tell you how good you look when the two of you are out together.
>
> Too late, he is yesterday, i am looking forward to tomorrow.
Aah, ever the optimist. That's an endearing trait of yours. I don't like
people that are pessimistic.
> > > > Your lead pic has a goth look. I think it could pass for 20
> > > > years younger. ;)
> > >
> > > Isn't it amazing, one of the soc.singles guys who has met me
> > > says the picture is terrible and should be replaced.
> >
> > I think of it as very San Francisco-ish. Cafes, black clothing.
> > Some people don't like that look.
> >
> > Me, I pay attention to women's faces. And you've got attractive
> > hair and facial features, which you'll *still* have even as time does
> > its thing. So you've got this lead photo which shows off your face
> > and hair without highlighting signs of getting older, and is in a
> youthful
> > style. I'd hardly call that terrible. ;)
>
> OOh i am letting this go to my head, i had better be careful.
Isn't George a smooth talker?
> > > he thinks i should put up one of my earlier shots that show my
> > > cleavage. I asked him if i had a young looking cleavage... can't
> > > remember his reply. Says the pic was very green. i was a bit
> > > off-colour that day... hehe.
Cleavage is good.
--
Brock
"One thing counts in this life: Get them to sign
on the line which is dotted...A. Always. B. Be.
C. Closing. Always Be Closing."
Coralie Naumann
"Brock Hannibal" <hami...@pacifier.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.BSO.4.21.010109...@shell.pacifier.com...
> On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Coralie Naumann wrote:
>
> [Lots of snippage]
>
> > I do! but really teenagers do know everything. Ask them!
>
> I dread the day when Quinn starts acting like a typical teenager.
it can be worse than the terrible 2s but i would have to say that
teenagers are, in general, my favorite people. You have a lot to look
forward to as long as you keep talking to him. If you listen carefully
he can teach you so much.
oh by the way, there is no such thing as a typical teenager.
(something else you will learn in time)
<snip>
> > Mum said, "If you can't find something nice to say about someone
then
> > just shut up".
>
> And she got it from Disney's "Bambi". Heh, heh.
She will be so disappointed, she thinks it was an original.
>
> There are times when treating your woman as a trophy strokes her ego
and
> yours too.
yes, the 1st - 3rd time was ok, after that i realised that the
advertising was doing me more harm than good. There wasn't a "single"
man over 30 who wasn't trying to come onto me. God only knows what he
was saying.
> Aah, ever the optimist. That's an endearing trait of yours. I don't
like
> people that are pessimistic.
neither do i. i don't know whether it is complete optimism or in part
curiosity, i always want to know what is just around that next turn.
>
> Isn't George a smooth talker?
he has a way with words, that's for sure.
--
Coralie
cnau...@goul-burn.net.au
(remove the "-" to email me)
Brock Hannibal
>
> "Brock Hannibal" <hami...@pacifier.com> wrote in message
> news:Pine.BSO.4.21.010109...@shell.pacifier.com...
> > On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Coralie Naumann wrote:
> >
> > [Lots of snippage]
> <and a bit more>
> >
> > > I do! but really teenagers do know everything. Ask them!
> >
> > I dread the day when Quinn starts acting like a typical teenager.
>
> it can be worse than the terrible 2s but i would have to say that
> teenagers are, in general, my favorite people. You have a lot to look
> forward to as long as you keep talking to him. If you listen carefully
> he can teach you so much.
He's already teaching me a lot.
> oh by the way, there is no such thing as a typical teenager.
> (something else you will learn in time)
> <snip>
My bad, I should have said a "stereotypical teenager."
> > > Mum said, "If you can't find something nice to say about someone
> then
> > > just shut up".
> >
> > And she got it from Disney's "Bambi". Heh, heh.
>
> She will be so disappointed, she thinks it was an original.
"Bambi" was released in 1942
Thumper: "If ya can't say sumpthin' nice don't say nuttin' at all."
> >
> > There are times when treating your woman as a trophy strokes her ego
> and
> > yours too.
>
> yes, the 1st - 3rd time was ok, after that i realised that the
> advertising was doing me more harm than good. There wasn't a "single"
> man over 30 who wasn't trying to come onto me. God only knows what he
> was saying.
It pays to advertise I always say.
> > Aah, ever the optimist. That's an endearing trait of yours. I don't
> like
> > people that are pessimistic.
>
> neither do i. i don't know whether it is complete optimism or in part
> curiosity, i always want to know what is just around that next turn.
It's a hopeful curiousity not a fearful one. That's the difference.
> >
> > Isn't George a smooth talker?
>
> he has a way with words, that's for sure.
He's OK. Especially since he stopped writing apologies for the retards.
Coralie Naumann
"John Fereira" <ja...@cornell.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <93ef9c$63u$1...@merki.connect.com.au>, "Coralie Naumann"
<cnau...@goul-burn.net.au> wrote:
>
> Just out of curiousity, have you ever seen the "Cane Toad" video?
no i don't think so. i did see a documentry on cane toads and why they
were introduced into the country. Something about the sugar cane beetle
that lived in the sugar cane fields. Apparently the cane toad bred so
fast that they became a plague on their own. It is a threat to most of
our native amphibians because of the poison glands and if attacked and
eaten the attacker in most cases dies immediately, hence they have no
preditors. Its amazing how quick animals learn what is not good for
them.
A really strange thing is that the cane beetle is still a big problem.
On the up side i have read recently in some CSIRO publication that the
cane toad is now being sold back to South America because they are not
breeding as well there as they do here in Australia. I can't see that
that will ever make up for the harm that has been done but it is a
start.
>
>
> >And what may i ask is the "full Clarice"? To be honest though, i
would
> >prefer a compliment to my character than one to my looks. People
saying
> >i am a nice person means so much more to me on soc.singles and in RL.
>
> You are a nice person.
thanks, so are you from all that i have read here.
hope my image does not take too much of a nose dive with the sexual
thread i am into with Brenda.
--
Coralie
cnau...@goul-burn.net.au
(remove the "-" to email me)
>
>
>
BrendaLee
Coralie. We nice people like sex..
:)
BrendaLee
>
> --
> Coralie
> cnau...@goul-burn.net.au
> (remove the "-" to email me)
>
> >
> >
> >
> > John Fereira
> > Ithaca, NY
> > ja...@cornell.edu
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>
>"John Fereira" <ja...@cornell.edu> wrote in message
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>> In article <93ef9c$63u$1...@merki.connect.com.au>, "Coralie Naumann"
><cnau...@goul-burn.net.au> wrote:
>>
>> Just out of curiousity, have you ever seen the "Cane Toad" video?
>
>no i don't think so. i did see a documentry on cane toads and why they
>were introduced into the country.
I doubt that it is the same one that I've seen. It also explained why Cane
Toads were introduced, and was done in a documentary style, but more often
then not, it looked like a spoof of a documentary. It is quite hilarious.
Andrew Hare
dan wrote:
> You are at best a consolation prize for a
> man who has to settle.
>
> But that's not such a bad thing, is it? The sex can still be
> adequate.
LOL. Don't ever stop posting dan.
(i know, i know, 'earth, don't ever stop rotating')
(memo to poor readers: i don't agree with the
sentiment - i love how it is expressed.)
> It's not going to be as exciting for him as it is
> for any of your daughter's boyfriends, but it might compare
> with watching a good cricket match or eating a good meal.
> (See if you can tempt him away from either of those activities
> by prancing around naked! A slender attractive 21-year old
> woman can; a 50-year old woman usually can't.)
>
> You had your moment in the sun. Now it's over. Get used to
> your new shrunken reality. A 50-year old quarterback isn't
> going to win another Super Bowl. He can play toss with the
> grandkids or savor his memories but he isn't going to relive
> those glory days. Most people would think him addled if he
> insisted on going about as though nothing had changed.
>
> If you don't like reality, getting upset isn't going to
> change anything. The only possible strategy that might work
> would be to pour billions of dollars into scientific research
> into the mechanisms of biological aging.
There is another strategy, and one that you almost never
talk about. That is the power of belief. It's almost like
you've never met someone who was about as hot physically as
another attractive woman, but just strutted right up to you
and convinced you with her tone, her gestures, her look, her
body language, her absolute rock hard conviction, that she was
the sexiest woman you might never fuck in your life.
i choose sexy out of quite a few other adjectives. (this is
a straightman line.)
The following avenues aren't interesting:
1. that a sexy woman will have lived a life of receiving hack-need
accolades from admiring throngs for wearing thongs and she will
therefore find it easier to adopt this belief. This is often
sufficient, but not *necessary* to a person who wishes to model and
portray a sexy persona - and the temperament here might largely be
genetic in origin anyways. The subject at hand isn't the estimation
of the likelihood of a woman displaying supreme member-blossoming
confidence, but the power of this belief versus it not being there
in other women of similar attractiveness. Which brings me to another
false avenue:
2. That no matter how sexy a seventeen thousand pound two
hundred year old 32 IQ woman thinks she is, she won't catch
your eye. Uninteresting.
At what exact moment did you decide you would try to understand
everything about human beings, laughable puppets of their
constituent molecules, except how these complex physical systems
influence each other with the power of faith, when world
views collide? As they always do?
Was it before or after the moment you decided that you
would never again consider the effect of diminishing
returns when discussing the value of beauty? Don't you
think you reach a max-out point where you start to look
for other qualities, beauty basically being equal?
i wonder if in your relationships with women you remember
this: that the stories you tell each other about what has
happened that day, what has happened in the previous year; the
agreed upon account of how to interpret her moments of anger or
your moments of distance or her seven night stand faithlessness
(and why do you think that particular word is attached to a sexual
indiscretion anyway?); the tag-line wink gesture for what are the
occasions you are 'kidding' and the soft 'hey' for what are the
occasions you are thawing her and the harsher 'listen' for what
are the occasions when you are 'absolutely serious'; your shared
narrative for what the events in your lives together *mean* - i
wonder if you remember that these stories are about as important
and vital to the relationship as whether she stays in shape or
whether you maintain your secure well-paying job. Or so it seems
to me. (i've just reread this and it comes off as ridiculously
condescending. i don't mean 'i wonder if you remember' as some
finger-wagging phrase to a reluctant danielsan; i honestly do wonder.)
If you found a woman who believed in you, and i mean, you
could look into her eyes, and see someone who is literally
changing your brain chemistry by imagining you into the
future that you most dearly desire, who can will away with
a smile your inevitable dithering self-doubts, who can look into
your eyes and see the twenty year old man you can never be again
but for a moment you feel it - wouldn't this kind of power be
akin to the power of a cheerleader's body? And if so, is it
just too personal for you to discuss? Understand that i know
that a beautiful face will multiply this effect a thousandfold.
But there are beautiful faces out there that do not inspire, that
do not shape your destiny, and you know it. These masks don't
radiate a fierce loyal stubborn intense unyielding vision of who
you are and who you can become and how much you matter. These
statues don't warm you, don't feed you, don't heal you; because
they maybe just don't care.
i hope you are as good a propagandist over the kitchen table
as you are a materialist in the computer room. Propaganda -
you can call it whatever else you like - just the power of
spreading to the mind of another a specific architecture
of cause and effect and intention and motive and meaning of
the past so that it benefits both of you, and at the very least,
you - and best of all if you can do it unconsciously and 'naturally'.
This habit or ability or skill (whichever you prefer), in a
woman, is not all that correlated with beauty or youth, and
seems to me pretty fucking crucial in how much time i can
stand not being around her. Well, maybe i could make an argument
for the absolute idealism of youth, but i find myself preferring
the kind of flexible passionate imagination of older women, which
might be less tangily sharp, but also tangibly less fragile. Like
the difference between a CD player, with its crisp mountain air
sense of the sonic universe, and a tape deck, which will never
skip helplessly and narcissistically on the same note for thirty
seconds ruining every conversation in the cafe until someone saves
the day.
When you asked a while ago which took more intelligence to write,
the origin of species, or the book of genesis, did you mean to
ask a provocatively interesting question? Or did you think you
were alluding to an 'obvious' point that the origin of species took
more intelligence to write? Because if the latter, that was silly.
If sci.physics regular archimedes plutonium were to write a, what, a
twenty thousand words document? that shaped the lives of billions
i'd likely have to scrap entirely his entry in my projected volume
"fools on usenet that i have read".
Do you have any idea of the power of the stories contained
within the bible? It wasn't a historical accident that these
became powerful - just like it isn't a historical accident that
powerful tall men induce a higher level of interest in women
than a nurturing gary coleman. (there are equally good stories
that do not become known at all, of course; what i mean is that
of the stories that get enough life to spread a bit, some of them
win the game completely for very good reasons).
These stories capture something eternal and true about what it is
like to be alive, and what it is like to be human - and capture it
for all time. What do you make of abraham's decision to sacrifice
isaac? Or the tree of knowledge of good and evil? Or, most
appositely to this post, the rise in power of joseph because of his
ability to interpret dreams and have them believed by people? What
do you think that story is telling you? Don't you think it takes a
great deal of intelligence to distill out those essential patterns
of human activity and put them into a form of a few thousand words
so that, instead of having them 'explained' to a small part of you,
you have them narrated to more of you?
Have you ever identified with a character in a book, a movie, a play, a
song, a painting, or an autobiography? What was happening in those
moments, do you think, and why do you pay so little attention to
this phenomenon in your usenet postings? Don't you think a woman could
do the same in real life for you? Write a fulfilled contented character
that you identify with for life, imagine a possible future for you or
her or both, and have the power to make it come true by dreaming it
concretely enough and obsessively enough and magically enough?
Andy
The Danimal
>
> dan wrote:
>
> > You are at best a consolation prize for a
> > man who has to settle.
> >
> > But that's not such a bad thing, is it? The sex can still be
> > adequate.
>
> LOL. Don't ever stop posting dan.
The first step is admitting you have a problem. I'm
there.
> (i know, i know, 'earth, don't ever stop rotating')
>
> (memo to poor readers: i don't agree with the
> sentiment -
I doubt that. You have written enough to suggest your
sexual attraction for women past the age of 50 is as
tepid as any normal man's.
I'm not knocking adequate sex, mind you. Look at how Brock
and Mike go on about their favorite migrant worker sports
mercenary teams. Adequate sex can be almost that compelling.
> i love how it is expressed.)
Tell us about the hot sex you have had with women over
50. Did you obsess over them? Did you find it hard to
think about anything else for weeks at a time? When they
failed to acknowledge your existence were you inconsolable?
When you are around 20-something women how often do you
think about having sex with them?
When you are around 50-something women how often do you
think about having sex with them?
> > It's not going to be as exciting for him as it is
> > for any of your daughter's boyfriends, but it might compare
> > with watching a good cricket match or eating a good meal.
> > (See if you can tempt him away from either of those activities
> > by prancing around naked! A slender attractive 21-year old
> > woman can; a 50-year old woman usually can't.)
> >
> > You had your moment in the sun. Now it's over. Get used to
> > your new shrunken reality. A 50-year old quarterback isn't
> > going to win another Super Bowl. He can play toss with the
> > grandkids or savor his memories but he isn't going to relive
> > those glory days. Most people would think him addled if he
> > insisted on going about as though nothing had changed.
> >
> > If you don't like reality, getting upset isn't going to
> > change anything. The only possible strategy that might work
> > would be to pour billions of dollars into scientific research
> > into the mechanisms of biological aging.
>
> There is another strategy, and one that you almost never
> talk about. That is the power of belief.
The power of belief changes the sexual market value of
50-year old women how?
> It's almost like
> you've never met someone who was about as hot physically as
> another attractive woman, but just strutted right up to you
> and convinced you with her tone, her gestures, her look, her
> body language, her absolute rock hard conviction, that she was
> the sexiest woman you might never fuck in your life.
But I wasn't writing about someone who was about as hot
physically as another attractive woman. I was writing about
wall victims.
Of course behavior is the deciding factor when all else is
nearly equal. But all else is not nearly equal when you
compare two women who differ in age by 30 years. At least
on my planet.
> i choose sexy out of quite a few other adjectives. (this is
> a straightman line.)
>
> The following avenues aren't interesting:
>
> 1. that a sexy woman will have lived a life of receiving hack-need
> accolades from admiring throngs for wearing thongs and she will
> therefore find it easier to adopt this belief. This is often
> sufficient, but not *necessary* to a person who wishes to model and
> portray a sexy persona - and the temperament here might largely be
> genetic in origin anyways. The subject at hand isn't the estimation
> of the likelihood of a woman displaying supreme member-blossoming
> confidence, but the power of this belief versus it not being there
> in other women of similar attractiveness. Which brings me to another
> false avenue:
>
> 2. That no matter how sexy a seventeen thousand pound two
> hundred year old 32 IQ woman thinks she is, she won't catch
> your eye. Uninteresting.
There's no need to push the numbers to absurd unrealism.
Unless you are struggling to maintain plausible deniability.
A very real-world 200 pounds and 50 years are quite enough
to almost insure sexual extinction, even before you know
anything about a woman's IQ.
> At what exact moment did you decide you would try to understand
> everything about human beings, laughable puppets of their
> constituent molecules, except how these complex physical systems
> influence each other with the power of faith, when world
> views collide? As they always do?
Do you have some data you would like to share with the
class?
> Was it before or after the moment you decided that you
> would never again consider the effect of diminishing
> returns when discussing the value of beauty? Don't you
> think you reach a max-out point where you start to look
> for other qualities, beauty basically being equal?
If you are anywhere near experiencing diminishing returns
on the value of beauty you have my congratulations.
I guess that would probably kick in somewhere around
women who score 9.5 on http://www.amihotornot.com. That is
to say, if you could attract a woman with 9.5 appearance
who had everything you wanted in a personality, you would
probably have little incentive to trade her for an even
more physically attractive woman who presented some
personality problems. Simply because once you've got
a 9.5er there isn't a whole lot of physical improvement
left for you to experience.
Since most people who can find soc.singles interesting
are nowhere near that level we are way way way not in
the region of diminishing returns.
> i wonder if in your relationships with women you remember
> this: that the stories you tell each other about what has
> happened that day, what has happened in the previous year; the
> agreed upon account of how to interpret her moments of anger or
> your moments of distance or her seven night stand faithlessness
> (and why do you think that particular word is attached to a sexual
> indiscretion anyway?); the tag-line wink gesture for what are the
> occasions you are 'kidding' and the soft 'hey' for what are the
> occasions you are thawing her and the harsher 'listen' for what
> are the occasions when you are 'absolutely serious'; your shared
> narrative for what the events in your lives together *mean* - i
> wonder if you remember that these stories are about as important
> and vital to the relationship as whether she stays in shape or
> whether you maintain your secure well-paying job. Or so it seems
> to me. (i've just reread this
Your pain tolerance is impressive
> and it comes off as ridiculously
> condescending. i don't mean 'i wonder if you remember' as some
> finger-wagging phrase to a reluctant danielsan; i honestly do wonder.)
"Ridiculously" was a good adverb, but for the adjective I was
thinking "incoherent."
> If you found a woman who believed in you, and i mean, you
> could look into her eyes, and see someone who is literally
> changing your brain chemistry by imagining you into the
> future that you most dearly desire, who can will away with
> a smile your inevitable dithering self-doubts, who can look into
> your eyes and see the twenty year old man you can never be again
> but for a moment you feel it - wouldn't this kind of power be
> akin to the power of a cheerleader's body?
If you found a man who believed in you the same way would
you want to do him?
> And if so, is it
> just too personal for you to discuss? Understand that i know
> that a beautiful face will multiply this effect a thousandfold.
That doesn't make sense. If someone "can will away with
a smile your inevitable dithering self-doubts" how is it
possible to multiply this effect a thousandfold? Either
I have dithering self-doubts, or I do not. A person can
only remove them once.
> But there are beautiful faces out there that do not inspire, that
> do not shape your destiny, and you know it.
There are also billion-dollar fortunes out there that do not
shape my destiny. What's your point? That a billion dollars
stops being a billion dollars?
> These masks don't
> radiate a fierce loyal stubborn intense unyielding vision of who
> you are and who you can become and how much you matter. These
> statues don't warm you, don't feed you, don't heal you; because
> they maybe just don't care.
What's with the "maybe"?
> i hope you are as good a propagandist over the kitchen table
> as you are a materialist in the computer room. Propaganda -
> you can call it whatever else you like - just the power of
> spreading to the mind of another a specific architecture
> of cause and effect and intention and motive and meaning of
> the past so that it benefits both of you, and at the very least,
> you - and best of all if you can do it unconsciously and 'naturally'.
I'm guessing that being a good propagandist does not involve
writing paragraphs like the above.
> This habit or ability or skill (whichever you prefer), in a
> woman, is not all that correlated with beauty or youth, and
> seems to me pretty fucking crucial in how much time i can
> stand not being around her.
Almost everybody has to settle. There's no need to
complicate it.
> Well, maybe i could make an argument
> for the absolute idealism of youth, but i find myself preferring
> the kind of flexible passionate imagination of older women,
That's a funny way to say old women know they have to put
out early and often.
Think about the longest amount of time you've waited for a
young woman to see if she'd have sex with you. What's the
longest you'd wait for an old woman? What's the longest you
had to?
> which
> might be less tangily sharp, but also tangibly less fragile. Like
> the difference between a CD player, with its crisp mountain air
> sense of the sonic universe, and a tape deck, which will never
> skip helplessly and narcissistically on the same note for thirty
> seconds ruining every conversation in the cafe until someone saves
> the day.
>
> When you asked a while ago which took more intelligence to write,
> the origin of species, or the book of genesis, did you mean to
> ask a provocatively interesting question?
I asked a question. If I wanted to do something else
I would have done it.
> Or did you think you
> were alluding to an 'obvious' point that the origin of species took
> more intelligence to write? Because if the latter, that was silly.
Who needs to be a better shot? A marksman inside a barn whose
job is to hit any part of the barn, or a marksman standing
1 km from a 3-cm target whose job is to hit that target, when
everybody is screaming at him to shoot the other way?
How many possible creation myths are there?
How many correct theories of origin are there?
If Darwin had been wrong would anybody know about him today?
> If sci.physics regular archimedes plutonium were to write a, what, a
> twenty thousand words document? that shaped the lives of billions
> i'd likely have to scrap entirely his entry in my projected volume
> "fools on usenet that i have read".
>
> Do you have any idea of the power of the stories contained
> within the bible?
No. Because I don't know how much of the power you are
probably thinking of resides in the stories themselves,
and how much resides in the organized religion that bases
itself loosely around them. Not to mention how much of the
power is a spin-off of the caucasian world conquest. If the
Tasmanians had swarmed over the world we'd have a different
set of powerful stories to marvel at.
I don't know of any instances of, say, a crate of bibles
washing up on the shore of some island and all by
themselves causing the natives to transform their culture.
The power of organized religion is largely a social
phenomenon.
The millions of Gideons bibles languishing ineffectively
in hotel rooms demonstrate this.
> It wasn't a historical accident that these
> became powerful - just like it isn't a historical accident that
> powerful tall men induce a higher level of interest in women
> than a nurturing gary coleman. (there are equally good stories
> that do not become known at all, of course; what i mean is that
> of the stories that get enough life to spread a bit, some of them
> win the game completely for very good reasons).
>
> These stories capture something eternal and true about what it is
> like to be alive, and what it is like to be human - and capture it
> for all time. What do you make of abraham's decision to sacrifice
> isaac?
When people abandon rationality all bets are off.
> Or the tree of knowledge of good and evil?
Keeping people stupid makes it easier to delude them.
> Or, most
> appositely to this post, the rise in power of joseph because of his
> ability to interpret dreams and have them believed by people?
Most people were stupid.
> What
> do you think that story is telling you?
Skeptical thinking hadn't evolved yet.
> Don't you think it takes a
> great deal of intelligence to distill out those essential patterns
> of human activity and put them into a form of a few thousand words
> so that, instead of having them 'explained' to a small part of you,
> you have them narrated to more of you?
No. Because every culture builds up its folklore through a process
that selects for the catchiest stories. It might take a bit of
talent to write down the best version but the starting material
is always there for free.
Did you watch _Last of the Mohicans_? Remember how Daniel Day
Lewis' character caused the hot chick played by Madeleine Stowe
to fall for him hard by telling her the silly sappy tribal story
about the stars or whatever? If coming up with compelling stories
was difficult wouldn't you expect at least one culture to have
done a bad job of it?
Every frickin' tribe of savages has its cool stories. But only
*ONE MAN* figured out why we are here.
Think of the memetic momentum Darwin had to overcome in his own
mind to produce his gigantic intellectual leap forward.
> Have you ever identified with a character in a book, a movie, a play, a
> song, a painting, or an autobiography?
Hard to say. I've often wanted to be able to do some of the
things I've seen some characters do, but I couldn't say I
wanted to *be* them.
> What was happening in those
> moments, do you think, and why do you pay so little attention to
> this phenomenon in your usenet postings?
Why do you pay so little attention to the so little attention I
pay to the political situation in Mongolia?
There are infinitely many such questions you could ask, all
equally uninteresting.
> Don't you think a woman could
> do the same in real life for you?
Make me want to be her? Not likely.
> Write a fulfilled contented character
> that you identify with for life, imagine a possible future for you or
> her or both, and have the power to make it come true by dreaming it
> concretely enough and obsessively enough and magically enough?
If we went off to live in a cave having no satellite dish, maybe.
The world we live in functions something like Temptation Island,
or at least reminds us continually that it would if we qualified
to tempt it.
-- the Danimal
Brock Hannibal
>
> Andrew Hare wrote:
> >
> > dan wrote:
> >
> > > You are at best a consolation prize for a
> > > man who has to settle.
> > >
> > > But that's not such a bad thing, is it? The sex can still be
> > > adequate.
> >
> > LOL. Don't ever stop posting dan.
>
> The first step is admitting you have a problem. I'm
> there.
>
> > (i know, i know, 'earth, don't ever stop rotating')
> >
> > (memo to poor readers: i don't agree with the
> > sentiment -
>
> I doubt that. You have written enough to suggest your
> sexual attraction for women past the age of 50 is as
> tepid as any normal man's.
>
> I'm not knocking adequate sex, mind you. Look at how Brock
> and Mike go on about their favorite migrant worker sports
> mercenary teams. Adequate sex can be almost that compelling.
The thrill of winning wagers, however small they might be, is an
addiction not unlike posting lengthy self analyses on usenet. The
fact that it has an intermittent positive reinforcement factor only
makes it stronger.
--
Brock
"Put a $20 gold piece on my watch chain so the boys'll know I died
standin' pat"
Andrew Hare
dan wrote:
> Andrew Hare wrote:
> >
> > If you found a woman who believed in you, and i mean, you
> > could look into her eyes, and see someone who is literally
> > changing your brain chemistry by imagining you into the
> > future that you most dearly desire, who can will away with
> > a smile your inevitable dithering self-doubts, who can look into
> > your eyes and see the twenty year old man you can never be again
> > but for a moment you feel it - wouldn't this kind of power be
> > akin to the power of a cheerleader's body?
>
> If you found a man who believed in you the same way would
> you want to do him?
No, although he'd probably be a pretty good buddy of mine.
Now why not answer the question? It's not difficult.
Do you really think that i'm suggesting that the needs
that i've talked about in that paragraph are the same
as sexual needs? Or can replace them? ('akin' doesn't
mean 'identical'. If this was the sticking point for you,
try 'wouldn't this have about as powerful an effect on you,
given a fairly attractive body anyway, as the the powerful
effect a cheerleader's body has on you'?).
> > And if so, is it
> > just too personal for you to discuss? Understand that i know
> > that a beautiful face will multiply this effect a thousandfold.
>
> That doesn't make sense. If someone "can will away with
> a smile your inevitable dithering self-doubts" how is it
> possible to multiply this effect a thousandfold? Either
> I have dithering self-doubts, or I do not. A person can
> only remove them once.
You're more than smart enough to understand that the
'thousandfold' can refer to the frequency with which the
woman can effect this in you. And it can refer to how big
the self-doubts are, and how quickly or effectively she can
dissipate them.
So, since i know you are smart enough to have thought of these
things, why not stop evading, and just answer the questions honestly?
If a man meets a woman who is pretty good looking, but who
can inspire him in ways that a beautiful woman cannot,
he will want to be with this woman. And yet in all your
discussions of how men and women meet and have sex, you
never mention this daily occurrence, except to call it
'settling'. This isn't accurate.
> > But there are beautiful faces out there that do not inspire, that
> > do not shape your destiny, and you know it.
>
> There are also billion-dollar fortunes out there that do not
> shape my destiny. What's your point? That a billion dollars
> stops being a billion dollars?
No. My point is that you are a man who has written millions
of words on the subject of men and women and how they get
together to make love. And in all of that writing, it is
rare to see you talk about some of the essential aspects of
this process. So i'm wondering if in your own life these
feelings or emotions are largely absent or unrecognized for
what they are, or whether they are there but for whatever
reason you are too private to discuss them openly, or what.
To rehearse some of these things again let's take the
example of a fifty year old woman. Would she, in fact,
be interested in a man like me? Well, for one, i'm pretty
poor, but let's suppose i had a fair bit of money. Then
there's the fact that i am relatively uncertain about
which of several plans i will pursue in the future. In
general, a man of about her age is probably far more likely
to be firmly placed in his career and work. This is probably
a very attractive quality. This is all quite apart from
things like 'where were you when the music i liked died' etc.
Another thing is this. Bear with me, because it's a metaphor.
Recently i've started drawing a bit every day. i haven't drawn
since i was about five years old. My first drawings sucked.
They looked like grotesque skeletons of the idea cartoon of what
i was looking at. Not only that, but even the act of drawing for a
long time was a frustration (and still is a lot of the time).
Well, my drawings still suck, but like a reformed special k,
they suck less. i've noticed, though, over these last couple
of months, that i tend to look around in a room a lot differently
than i used to. When i'm in a gathering of a few people, i get a
much more precise sense of the staging. i see who in the room is
rigid and who is loose; i see the spacing between people and how
it fluctuates; i innerly see the perspective from above the room,
or what the room looks like to another person in the room; i
notice and compare noses and ears and necks and a lot of other things.
i don't mean that i couldn't or didn't do this before, it's not an
on off switch. i just mean that my perceptions in this 'arena' have
been heightened.
A few times i've mentioned this kind of subject to the odd
person i'm talking to. And a couple of these times the person
has responded with a torrent of emotion and words - like i've
suddenly gained walking access in a room where there are
(and have been) people sprinting for sheer joy.
ok, so much for this. The point is that a very similar thing,
obviously, happens with people who have lived a longer time,
and where the perception above is in this case, a kind of
emotional perception.
So a fifty year old woman may have had children; maybe has
seen a few friends or relatives die; maybe can sense in a
moment what emotion someone is feeling while a guy my age
like me is still standing there stupidly cracking a joke, and
so on.
When this woman chooses another man who is about fifty, but who
isn't the charming powerful whatever man of thirty, why do you
seem to automatically assume that she is settling? When
she could be, in fact almost certainly *is*, selecting for
a man with greater life experience, greater emotional
perceptiveness and reserves and so on?
And i know that age isn't perfectly correlated with this
kind of perceptiveness. And i know that the fifty year
old woman not only wants those things, but might also like
her fifty year old mate to be big and strong etc. But
it's silly of you to so often use the word 'settling' to
describe the complicated decisions people are making.
> > These masks don't
> > radiate a fierce loyal stubborn intense unyielding vision of who
> > you are and who you can become and how much you matter. These
> > statues don't warm you, don't feed you, don't heal you; because
> > they maybe just don't care.
>
> What's with the "maybe"?
Because they might care but by an accident of their
temperament or upbringing or their skills in body
language cannot express it to you in a way that you
intensely need. i've certainly been in situations
where i knew intellectually that the person i was with
cared about me in that moment, but instead of looking at
me they were looking away - or instead of slowing down her
speech she got even more frantic, or instead of running
her fingers lightly on my brow she kind of gripped me in
the upper arm, or whatever. So i didn't feel cared for,
and i was looking at a stranger.
> > i hope you are as good a propagandist over the kitchen table
> > as you are a materialist in the computer room. Propaganda -
> > you can call it whatever else you like - just the power of
> > spreading to the mind of another a specific architecture
> > of cause and effect and intention and motive and meaning of
> > the past so that it benefits both of you, and at the very least,
> > you - and best of all if you can do it unconsciously and 'naturally'.
>
> I'm guessing that being a good propagandist does not involve
> writing paragraphs like the above.
It's better in the original german.
> > This habit or ability or skill (whichever you prefer), in a
> > woman, is not all that correlated with beauty or youth, and
> > seems to me pretty fucking crucial in how much time i can
> > stand not being around her.
>
> Almost everybody has to settle. There's no need to
> complicate it.
Define 'settle'. Because people actively *choose* to
be with people who, for example, make them laugh. Or who
they admire because of their passion for singing. Or
who they feel, somehow immediately, so relaxed around
that they needn't adopt any social personas, but can
fully be themselves.
> > Well, maybe i could make an argument
> > for the absolute idealism of youth, but i find myself preferring
> > the kind of flexible passionate imagination of older women,
>
> That's a funny way to say old women know they have to put
> out early and often.
No it's not, but i think i was unclear. When i said
'older women' i meant older than really young women.
So i'm comparing mid to late twenties, with eighteen
or nineteen. As i get older, i'm sure the earlier
phrase will read 'mid twenties to mid thirties' and
so on.
> Think about the longest amount of time you've waited for a
> young woman to see if she'd have sex with you. What's the
> longest you'd wait for an old woman? What's the longest you
> had to?
This ground has been well-covered in the past. Have you
never met a woman who you thought was fairly hot, but who
absolutely made you feel like a seventh dan dan? And then
met a woman who was markedly hotter, who was still pretty nice
to boot? Which did you prefer, and do you think everyone
would say the same?
*Everyone* has met someone who they just *clicked* with,
with whom almost every conversation is familiar and yet strange,
that combination of wonder and understanding that you know
well from studying sociobiology. Sometimes this happens
with someone who isn't the absolute hottest woman you could
attract, right?
> > which
> > might be less tangily sharp, but also tangibly less fragile. Like
> > the difference between a CD player, with its crisp mountain air
> > sense of the sonic universe, and a tape deck, which will never
> > skip helplessly and narcissistically on the same note for thirty
> > seconds ruining every conversation in the cafe until someone saves
> > the day.
> >
> > When you asked a while ago which took more intelligence to write,
> > the origin of species, or the book of genesis, did you mean to
> > ask a provocatively interesting question?
>
> I asked a question. If I wanted to do something else
> I would have done it.
>
> > Or did you think you
> > were alluding to an 'obvious' point that the origin of species took
> > more intelligence to write? Because if the latter, that was silly.
>
> Who needs to be a better shot? A marksman inside a barn whose
> job is to hit any part of the barn, or a marksman standing
> 1 km from a 3-cm target whose job is to hit that target, when
> everybody is screaming at him to shoot the other way?
This question isn't an accurate reflection of the two
situations. And it is here where we most differ. The
book of genesis isn't the result of someone aiming
roughly at any part of a barn. In fact, it hits, with
an accuracy that is incredible, one of the most
difficult to hit bits of the barn, which is this: capture
in a few words something observably and near universally
true about what it means to be human, as opposed to say,
a fish from the planet altair vi.
When we talk about water, we pretty much capture its behavior
when we talk about viscosity, pressure, temperature, density,
and in unusual situations, maybe a few more numbers,
not all of which are unrelated. It is not usually interesting
to discuss what is happening molecule by molecule; and for more
complicated systems, this is even less useful. i know you know
all this, but your writing does not reveal that you know the
consequence, which is: that certain sequences of brain patterns
get repeated often enough that the brains involved write down
the essentials of these processes in a slightly disguised form.
Creation myths aren't just a random story of how the
world got started; they are a crystallized result of
thousands of years of people pondering about how anything
comes from nothing. The question that it is answering
is not 'how did this physical universe get started',
although some people may think this, or the writers
may thought that was their intention. The book of
genesis is an answer to some of these questions 'what
is it like to first have an idea? What are the main
forces in the lives of humans? (analogous to viscosity,
etc) What is deception? What are names? What is
a history? What is life? What is the good life? What
is duty?'
> How many possible creation myths are there?
Not an interesting question. As many as you want.
How many possible creation myths resonate well enough
with enough people for long enough? Less than a hundred;
and even these share a great deal in common that i do *not*
think need be the result of a common heritage, but are the
result of a common humanity.
A flood; one brother killing another; an idyll from which man
has fallen; even snakes as villains is pretty common.
> How many correct theories of origin are there?
One.
> If Darwin had been wrong would anybody know about him today?
Probably not, although we do still learn about mistaken
theories. It'd be nice to see a phlogiston revival.
> > If sci.physics regular archimedes plutonium were to write a, what, a
> > twenty thousand words document? that shaped the lives of billions
> > i'd likely have to scrap entirely his entry in my projected volume
> > "fools on usenet that i have read".
> >
> > Do you have any idea of the power of the stories contained
> > within the bible?
>
> No. Because I don't know how much of the power you are
> probably thinking of resides in the stories themselves,
> and how much resides in the organized religion that bases
> itself loosely around them.
star wars was a popular movie not really because of
its special effects, but because of the story line.
> Not to mention how much of the
> power is a spin-off of the caucasian world conquest. If the
> Tasmanians had swarmed over the world we'd have a different
> set of powerful stories to marvel at.
Two things: the stories wouldn't have been all that
different; the stories would still ring as true.
The norse myths are still powerful, but no one is raised
in them today. So are the greek myths, each of which
is worth a thousand pages of neurological explanation
of the brain states involved. Once you've read narcissus
and echo, you understand something about people.
> I don't know of any instances of, say, a crate of bibles
> washing up on the shore of some island and all by
> themselves causing the natives to transform their culture.
> The power of organized religion is largely a social
> phenomenon.
You have, as always, an eye for the interesting hypothetical.
Casting this in a more realistic form, it happens all the
time. 'clueless' is jane austen's emma, washed upon the
shores of a teenage island. Copies of nietzsche have
caused various natives of all sorts of cultures to transform
their lives. We live in a culture that is only now
sloughing off the effect of a crate of freudian manuscripts
washing up on our shores about a century ago.
Was freud wrong about the brain? Basically, yes. Was he a
liar and an asshole? Yes. Was he intelligent and powerful? Yes.
> The millions of Gideons bibles languishing ineffectively
> in hotel rooms demonstrate this.
>
> > It wasn't a historical accident that these
> > became powerful - just like it isn't a historical accident that
> > powerful tall men induce a higher level of interest in women
> > than a nurturing gary coleman. (there are equally good stories
> > that do not become known at all, of course; what i mean is that
> > of the stories that get enough life to spread a bit, some of them
> > win the game completely for very good reasons).
> >
> > These stories capture something eternal and true about what it is
> > like to be alive, and what it is like to be human - and capture it
> > for all time. What do you make of abraham's decision to sacrifice
> > isaac?
>
> When people abandon rationality all bets are off.
People have never accepted rationality, although every
single way they behave can be understood rationally.
> > Or the tree of knowledge of good and evil?
>
> Keeping people stupid makes it easier to delude them.
Come on.
> > Or, most
> > appositely to this post, the rise in power of joseph because of his
> > ability to interpret dreams and have them believed by people?
>
> Most people were stupid.
But most people *are* 'stupid' in this sense. i don't
mean that people today would believe that someone can
interpret dreams. For dreams, read a sequence of
events that don't have a thread of meaning running
through them - just like what often happens in real
life, dammit. And only a fool would attempt to discuss
theories of human nature that didn't take into account
the power of a person who can reframe imperfectly understood
sequences of causes and effects into a compelling story that
serves some purpose.
> > What
> > do you think that story is telling you?
>
> Skeptical thinking hadn't evolved yet.
Baloney. There have been skeptics going all the way back.
> > Don't you think it takes a
> > great deal of intelligence to distill out those essential patterns
> > of human activity and put them into a form of a few thousand words
> > so that, instead of having them 'explained' to a small part of you,
> > you have them narrated to more of you?
>
> No. Because every culture builds up its folklore through a process
> that selects for the catchiest stories.
which are often the truest stories.
> It might take a bit of
> talent to write down the best version but the starting material
> is always there for free.
Of course. So what?
> Did you watch _Last of the Mohicans_?
No. i read a graphic novel of it when i was a kid.
(the idea of the very last of a kind is a good example of
an extremely old story line, repeated in tons of stories,
as i'm sure you know. the noah flood sequence is the last
of the mohicans on a species scale. that's what drives the
story.)
> Remember how Daniel Day
> Lewis' character caused the hot chick played by Madeleine Stowe
> to fall for him hard by telling her the silly sappy tribal story
> about the stars or whatever? If coming up with compelling stories
> was difficult wouldn't you expect at least one culture to have
> done a bad job of it?
But *every* culture does a bad job of it almost all of the
time! Nine tenths of every sitcom is a bad, uncompelling story.
Nine tenths of romance novels are phantasmal trash from cover to cover.
Nine tenths of movies are predictable shallow false pieces of crap.
And of course, many of the examples of each these forms that are
successful are also not all that great. And yet every culture has
their tolstoy. It's very difficult to write a story that rings true,
don't you think?
> Every frickin' tribe of savages has its cool stories. But only
> *ONE MAN* figured out why we are here.
i agree. And when you sing darwin's praises to me you're
preaching to the converted.
> Think of the memetic momentum Darwin had to overcome in his own
> mind to produce his gigantic intellectual leap forward.
Yes. On the other hand, it was an inevitable leap for man
to make. But no one ever again will write hamlet. That
took one specific brain that will never come again. Nature
only is one way, and we'll figure it out, thankfully long
after i'm dead.
> > Have you ever identified with a character in a book, a movie, a play, a
> > song, a painting, or an autobiography?
>
> Hard to say. I've often wanted to be able to do some of the
> things I've seen some characters do, but I couldn't say I
> wanted to *be* them.
ok. Although that wasn't quite what the question was.
i wasn't asking if you could say you wanted to be them;
i was asking if you ever found yourself reacting to a
plot movement as if you were the character, perhaps
feeling some sorrow when his hopes are dashed, or
thinking 'fucking *exactly*' when he expresses a thought
you've shared but perhaps thought no one else did. Those
sorts of things. When you are inside the play.
When i'm reading an autobiograpy i often get the feeling
of wanting to have the skill that the person does, whether
it be the leadership of mandela or the riff-writing (and
subsequent groupie-shagging) of a keith richards.
> > What was happening in those
> > moments, do you think, and why do you pay so little attention to
> > this phenomenon in your usenet postings?
>
> Why do you pay so little attention to the so little attention I
> pay to the political situation in Mongolia?
>
> There are infinitely many such questions you could ask, all
> equally uninteresting.
But what happens in those moments when we identify with someone
isn't an uninteresting question. Also, it is quite amazing
that a sequence of words can so capture a person as to commit
them to a role, even temporarily, or in the case of some
prayers, a lifetime role. It seems to me that you continually
discount the power of stories to do this, so i wondered why.
These kinds of questions get at the heart or at least the spine
of what happens when a man and woman love each other, i think.
Well, identify is too strong a word, but it's certainly close to
'being able to see the world from the other's perspective' or
'empathize'. i can't imagine being with someone for very long if
i didn't feel like she could at least approach my vantage point
on the world. She can't obviously match it identically, we're just
too different chemically - nor would i want to live with myself,
thanks.
But she can come close in her understanding. She can understand
that after i do X i tend to do Y and my internal monologue is roughly
Z, and if this woman can routinely meet me halfway on a hundred of
these occasions, i think i could rest easy if she was an 8 on
amihotornot instead of a nine point five. If she's the kind of
woman who has always wanted a family; if she finds it easy to
laugh at herself; if she is creative in some medium; if she's
always been comfortable around men; if she can listen to her
body and her feelings and to me - all of these things will draw
me to her.
i think a lot of people are like this, and not because of
any dishonesty in their self-reflection. How is it for you?
> > Don't you think a woman could
> > do the same in real life for you?
>
> Make me want to be her? Not likely.
i explain further what i mean in the next sentence, which is:
> > Write a fulfilled contented character
> > that you identify with for life, imagine a possible future for you or
> > her or both, and have the power to make it come true by dreaming it
> > concretely enough and obsessively enough and magically enough?
>
> If we went off to live in a cave having no satellite dish, maybe.
>
> The world we live in functions something like Temptation Island,
> or at least reminds us continually that it would if we qualified
> to tempt it.
Still, when people have been together a while they
become entwined together like two growing vines. It's
not always easy to separate them.
Thanks for answering all those questions.
Andy
Brock Hannibal
>
> dan wrote:
[snip of great stuff]
Andy, you are an incredibly perceptive person for one so young and
have flat amazed me with this post which people should go read and
reread until they get it.
BTW have you read J.D. Salinger's "Nine Stories"? They are some of
the best writing I have ever encountered.
Also read "Winesburg, Ohio" by Sherwood Anderson and "The Pastures
of Heaven" by John Steinbeck. Of anyone I've ever read who posts on
usenet you might have the highest odds of synthesizing a great
writing style by using what those three authors can teach.
Fuck physics, man, I think you should write.
Coralie Naumann
> Andrew Hare wrote:
> >
> > dan wrote:
>
> [snip of great stuff]
>
> Andy, you are an incredibly perceptive person for one so young and
> have flat amazed me with this post which people should go read and
> reread until they get it.
if i could find a man like andy vintage 1950, then life would have
fulfilled its purpose.
oh dems de breaks.
>
> BTW have you read J.D. Salinger's "Nine Stories"? They are some of
> the best writing I have ever encountered.
> Also read "Winesburg, Ohio" by Sherwood Anderson and "The Pastures
> of Heaven" by John Steinbeck. Of anyone I've ever read who posts on
> usenet you might have the highest odds of synthesizing a great
> writing style by using what those three authors can teach.
>
> Fuck physics, man, I think you should write.
and write and write and write...............
--
Coralie
cnau...@goul-burn.net.au
(remove the "-" to email me)
>
>
No Name
> dan wrote:
>
> > You are at best a consolation prize for a
> > man who has to settle.
> >
> > But that's not such a bad thing, is it? The sex can still be
> > adequate.
>
> LOL. Don't ever stop posting dan.
metadittos
> (i know, i know, 'earth, don't ever stop rotating')
metadittosplus
(it was funny when i mentioned dan and then suddenly he was back just like
that. this trick doesn't work with ross jeffries. or lewiz.)
> (memo to poor readers: i don't agree with the
> sentiment - i love how it is expressed.)
i wonder if dan is speaking from theory or practice?
> > It's not going to be as exciting for him as it is
> > for any of your daughter's boyfriends, but it might compare
> > with watching a good cricket match or eating a good meal.
> > (See if you can tempt him away from either of those activities
> > by prancing around naked! A slender attractive 21-year old
> > woman can; a 50-year old woman usually can't.)
> >
> > You had your moment in the sun. Now it's over. Get used to
> > your new shrunken reality. A 50-year old quarterback isn't
> > going to win another Super Bowl. He can play toss with the
> > grandkids or savor his memories but he isn't going to relive
> > those glory days. Most people would think him addled if he
> > insisted on going about as though nothing had changed.
> >
> > If you don't like reality, getting upset isn't going to
> > change anything. The only possible strategy that might work
> > would be to pour billions of dollars into scientific research
> > into the mechanisms of biological aging.
>
> There is another strategy, and one that you almost never
> talk about.
drugs?
> That is the power of belief.
yep, drugs.
> It's almost like
> you've never met someone who was about as hot physically as
> another attractive woman, but just strutted right up to you
> and convinced you with her tone, her gestures, her look, her
> body language, her absolute rock hard conviction, that she was
> the sexiest woman you might never fuck in your life.
well yeah but notice she's AS HOT PHYSICALLY as another attractive woman. i
mean if a nice looking babe walks up and starts fondling my dick through my
jeans right there in public and whispers "take me subcreature" in my ear
you can bet that she's gonna stand out from the crowd and that i'm gonna
stand up and... take notice.
> i choose sexy out of quite a few other adjectives. (this is
> a straightman line.)
when you're talkin physically attractive sexy comes with the territory. i
would never use the term of art 'physically attractive' to describe a woman
who wasn't sexy. sure, some attractive babes (nikki dial) are sexier than
others (gwyneth paltrow)
but they're all do-able by definition.
> The following avenues aren't interesting:
>
> 1. that a sexy woman will have lived a life of receiving hack-need
> accolades from admiring throngs for wearing thongs and she will
> therefore find it easier to adopt this belief. This is often
> sufficient, but not *necessary* to a person who wishes to model and
> portray a sexy persona - and the temperament here might largely be
> genetic in origin anyways. The subject at hand isn't the estimation
> of the likelihood of a woman displaying supreme member-blossoming
> confidence, but the power of this belief versus it not being there
> in other women of similar attractiveness.
ah, but you're skewing your example so that it really does not contradict
danny boy's central hypothesis, it simply extends it. probably in a way
which, while he finds talking about it boring, he'd agree with if it were
suitably encoded in danimal hunting language.
for example:
hey dan, surely among a flock of sexy chicks there are some whose manner -
the slutty way she licks her lips, the subtle cue as she squeezes your
thigh, the entranced look as she gazes upon the glory of your tandem bike -
drives you wilder with lust than the average babe?
> Which brings me to another
> false avenue:
>
> 2. That no matter how sexy a seventeen thousand pound two
> hundred year old 32 IQ woman thinks she is, she won't catch
> your eye. Uninteresting.
uninteresting - to you probably. but important, as your own example
demonstrates. you know very well that the women who qualify for dan's
potential partner pool fall within certain basic physical parameters. and
certainly the subject of which women within that pool make for the greatest
fucks/ girlfriends/ wives/ one night stands is very interesting indeed.
however such a discussion can, in the hands of a... skilled operator...
serve as a smokescreen to obscure the unpleasant
annettestroudstevechaneywounding fact that all of this exciting body
language and chemistry and transcendental fornication is occuring within
the parameters so tediously expounded upon by the ever unpopular danimal lo
these many years.
and i don't think you do women any great favors by attempted to muddy the
waters regarding this already disinformation plagued issue, though you may
be able to increase your own smv whilst hammering a few more nails through
danny's cruciform archetype.
which may be the point.
heh
> At what exact moment did you decide you would try to understand
> everything about human beings, laughable puppets of their
> constituent molecules, except how these complex physical systems
> influence each other with the power of faith, when world
> views collide? As they always do?
i think dan is well aware of how much lying there is in the world.
> Was it before or after the moment you decided that you
> would never again consider the effect of diminishing
> returns when discussing the value of beauty? Don't you
> think you reach a max-out point where you start to look
> for other qualities, beauty basically being equal?
cooking for example.
> i wonder if in your relationships with women you remember
> this: that the stories you tell each other about what has
> happened that day, what has happened in the previous year; the
> agreed upon account of how to interpret her moments of anger or
> your moments of distance or her seven night stand faithlessness
AND LET'S NOT FORGET THE DISEASE SPREADING WHOOOOOOORE!!!
> (and why do you think that particular word is attached to a sexual
> indiscretion anyway?);
because a woman should worship her man as a god.
> the tag-line wink gesture for what are the
> occasions you are 'kidding' and the soft 'hey' for what are the
> occasions you are thawing her and the harsher 'listen' for what
> are the occasions when you are 'absolutely serious'; your shared
> narrative for what the events in your lives together *mean* - i
> wonder if you remember that these stories are about as important
> and vital to the relationship as whether she stays in shape or
> whether you maintain your secure well-paying job.
well, i'll give you this - at least you concede that the two factors are
equal.
i think most people blur thier brains with a hazy lazy vision of
unconditional love consisting of shared history which is supposed to trump
such minor issues as gaining fifty pounds.
> Or so it seems
> to me. (i've just reread this and it comes off as ridiculously
> condescending. i don't mean 'i wonder if you remember' as some
> finger-wagging phrase to a reluctant danielsan; i honestly do wonder.)
i wonder why you expect an honest answer?
or were you speaking rhetorically?
> If you found a woman who believed in you, and i mean, you
> could look into her eyes, and see someone who is literally
> changing your brain chemistry by imagining you into the
> future that you most dearly desire, who can will away with
> a smile your inevitable dithering self-doubts, who can look into
> your eyes and see the twenty year old man you can never be again
> but for a moment you feel it - wouldn't this kind of power be
> akin to the power of a cheerleader's body?
that's a big if.
you're also assuming that dan would want to be the twenty year old man he
was. or do you mean some idealized version - a mocsny 3.0 soc.to speak?
> And if so, is it
> just too personal for you to discuss? Understand that i know
> that a beautiful face will multiply this effect a thousandfold.
> But there are beautiful faces out there that do not inspire, that
> do not shape your destiny, and you know it.
a lot of it comes down to a smile. a girl who doesn't smile knocks a good
two points off her 1-10 rating.
i think this is the real reason why actresses, pornstars and centerfolds
are more attractive to men than fashion models. (the idea that models are
boyish is a myth - check out those waist-hip ratios. it's that glassy stare
that's the real turnoff)
> These masks don't
> radiate a fierce loyal stubborn intense unyielding vision of who
> you are and who you can become and how much you matter. These
> statues don't warm you, don't feed you, don't heal you; because
> they maybe just don't care.
dan is on record as not liking who he is.
> i hope you are as good a propagandist over the kitchen table
> as you are a materialist in the computer room. Propaganda -
> you can call it whatever else you like - just the power of
> spreading to the mind of another a specific architecture
> of cause and effect and intention and motive and meaning of
> the past so that it benefits both of you, and at the very least,
> you - and best of all if you can do it unconsciously and 'naturally'.
another big if.
> This habit or ability or skill (whichever you prefer), in a
> woman, is not all that correlated with beauty or youth, and
> seems to me pretty fucking crucial in how much time i can
> stand not being around her. Well, maybe i could make an argument
> for the absolute idealism of youth, but i find myself preferring
> the kind of flexible passionate imagination of older women, which
> might be less tangily sharp, but also tangibly less fragile.
how much older are we talkin here?
have you ever fucked a fifty year old woman?
how about an obese woman?
> Like
> the difference between a CD player, with its crisp mountain air
> sense of the sonic universe, and a tape deck, which will never
> skip helplessly and narcissistically on the same note for thirty
> seconds ruining every conversation in the cafe until someone saves
> the day.
tapes wear out.
i want my mp3
> When you asked a while ago which took more intelligence to write,
> the origin of species, or the book of genesis, did you mean to
> ask a provocatively interesting question? Or did you think you
> were alluding to an 'obvious' point that the origin of species took
> more intelligence to write? Because if the latter, that was silly.
> If sci.physics regular archimedes plutonium were to write a, what, a
> twenty thousand words document? that shaped the lives of billions
> i'd likely have to scrap entirely his entry in my projected volume
> "fools on usenet that i have read".
volume 11
> Do you have any idea of the power of the stories contained
> within the bible?
he knows doctor
he knows
(well no, probably not, but i can't resist a good spock quote)
> These stories capture something eternal and true about what it is
> like to be alive, and what it is like to be human - and capture it
> for all time. What do you make of abraham's decision to sacrifice
> isaac?
he was young. he needed the money.
> Or the tree of knowledge of good and evil?
the snake is long... seven miles
> Or, most
> appositely to this post, the rise in power of joseph because of his
> ability to interpret dreams and have them believed by people? What
> do you think that story is telling you?
rock n roll will never die
> Don't you think it takes a
> great deal of intelligence to distill out those essential patterns
> of human activity and put them into a form of a few thousand words
> so that, instead of having them 'explained' to a small part of you,
> you have them narrated to more of you?
they had good editors.
> Have you ever identified with a character in a book, a movie, a play, a
> song, a painting, or an autobiography?
i plead the fifth
> What was happening in those
> moments, do you think, and why do you pay so little attention to
> this phenomenon in your usenet postings?
hey, at least he's officially adopted a kewl nickname. he could be a pro
wrestler.
a villain naturally. snidely backlash in fullfx. perhaps he could be part
of right to censor (an actual wwf villain team!) (it was thier evil
influence that prevented mr. ass from using his posterior-modernist
moniker) (well, at least last time i watched) (lift weights and watch the
wwf - it's almost like being a stupid guy!) ('almost?' - countless
multitudes) (butidigress)
> Don't you think a woman could
> do the same in real life for you? Write a fulfilled contented character
> that you identify with for life, imagine a possible future for you or
> her or both, and have the power to make it come true by dreaming it
> concretely enough and obsessively enough and magically enough?
sounds like a work.
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
a lot of work
men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
more even than death
- bertrand russell
BrendaLee
No Name wrote:
>
>
> because a woman should worship her man as a god.
>
I agree with this sentiment 100%..
> sounds like a work.
Not if you like what you do!
*winky*
> jackie 'anakin' tokeman
>
> a lot of work
The payback is sweet...
hugs,
BrendaLee
>
> men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
> more even than death
> - bertrand russell
--
The Danimal
> handy andy wrote:
> > (memo to poor readers: i don't agree with the
> > sentiment - i love how it is expressed.)
>
> i wonder if dan is speaking from theory or practice?
Since you confirm my message I wonder if you are speaking
from theory or practice?
How many men do you suppose understood your "women are like
dog turds" joke?
> > It's almost like
> > you've never met someone who was about as hot physically as
> > another attractive woman, but just strutted right up to you
> > and convinced you with her tone, her gestures, her look, her
> > body language, her absolute rock hard conviction, that she was
> > the sexiest woman you might never fuck in your life.
>
> well yeah but notice she's AS HOT PHYSICALLY as another attractive woman.
I believe a number of wishful thinkers did not notice.
> > 1. that a sexy woman will have lived a life of receiving hack-need
> > accolades from admiring throngs for wearing thongs and she will
> > therefore find it easier to adopt this belief. This is often
> > sufficient, but not *necessary* to a person who wishes to model and
> > portray a sexy persona - and the temperament here might largely be
> > genetic in origin anyways. The subject at hand isn't the estimation
> > of the likelihood of a woman displaying supreme member-blossoming
> > confidence, but the power of this belief versus it not being there
> > in other women of similar attractiveness.
>
> ah, but you're skewing your example so that it really does not contradict
> danny boy's central hypothesis, it simply extends it. probably in a way
> which, while he finds talking about it boring, he'd agree with if it were
> suitably encoded in danimal hunting language.
>
> for example:
>
> hey dan, surely among a flock of sexy chicks there are some whose manner -
> the slutty way she licks her lips, the subtle cue as she squeezes your
> thigh, the entranced look as she gazes upon the glory of your tandem bike -
> drives you wilder with lust than the average babe?
Something that looks like an opportunity is usually going to seem
more inviting than something that doesn't look like an opportunity.
Like, duh.
But in the final analysis what matters is how good the opportunity
is, not how easy it is to obtain.
Think of the analogy with job-hunting. If the manager of the local
McDonalds came to your door and begged you to accept a wonderful
opportunity to come flip burgers for the minimum wage, which would
matter more: how much he stroked your ego or the number on your paycheck?
Back in the gold rush days people were willing to cross unsettled
continents *on foot* and do months of backbreaking labor all for
the remote possibility of collecting a few chunks of shiny yellow metal.
> > Which brings me to another
> > false avenue:
> >
> > 2. That no matter how sexy a seventeen thousand pound two
> > hundred year old 32 IQ woman thinks she is, she won't catch
> > your eye. Uninteresting.
>
> uninteresting - to you probably. but important, as your own example
> demonstrates. you know very well that the women who qualify for dan's
> potential partner pool fall within certain basic physical parameters. and
> certainly the subject of which women within that pool make for the greatest
> fucks/ girlfriends/ wives/ one night stands is very interesting indeed.
> however such a discussion can, in the hands of a... skilled operator...
> serve as a smokescreen to obscure the unpleasant
> annettestroudstevechaneywounding fact that all of this exciting body
> language and chemistry and transcendental fornication is occuring within
> the parameters so tediously expounded upon by the ever unpopular danimal lo
> these many years.
> and i don't think you do women any great favors by attempted to muddy the
> waters regarding this already disinformation plagued issue, though you may
> be able to increase your own smv whilst hammering a few more nails through
> danny's cruciform archetype.
> which may be the point.
> heh
Of course, but ironically it's pointless. The kind of women most
likely to draw comfort from such an Andyoblique attack are precisely
those women who are least likely to require any special effort to
seduce.
Andy's hauling out the heavy artillery where a flyswatter would
suffice. Or in the words of the Tokeman, all he has to do is
show up.
> > the tag-line wink gesture for what are the
> > occasions you are 'kidding' and the soft 'hey' for what are the
> > occasions you are thawing her and the harsher 'listen' for what
> > are the occasions when you are 'absolutely serious'; your shared
> > narrative for what the events in your lives together *mean* - i
> > wonder if you remember that these stories are about as important
> > and vital to the relationship as whether she stays in shape or
> > whether you maintain your secure well-paying job.
>
> well, i'll give you this - at least you concede that the two factors are
> equal.
> i think most people blur thier brains with a hazy lazy vision of
> unconditional love consisting of shared history which is supposed to trump
> such minor issues as gaining fifty pounds.
Not to mention gaining 50 years.
People don't necessarily end entire relationships when the
initial impetus for the relationship is long dead, particularly
if no better alternative presents itself, but certainly
there will be aspects of the relationship that don't outlive
their stimuli.
> > If you found a woman who believed in you, and i mean, you
> > could look into her eyes, and see someone who is literally
> > changing your brain chemistry by imagining you into the
> > future that you most dearly desire, who can will away with
> > a smile your inevitable dithering self-doubts, who can look into
> > your eyes and see the twenty year old man you can never be again
> > but for a moment you feel it - wouldn't this kind of power be
> > akin to the power of a cheerleader's body?
>
> that's a big if.
Thanks for the vote of confidence. Not that I can fault
your judgement.
> you're also assuming that dan would want to be the twenty year old man he
> was. or do you mean some idealized version - a mocsny 3.0 soc.to speak?
Well, at least the twenty year old man I was had a pretty good
chance of living twenty-two years longer than the man I am now
is likely to live.
It would be interesting to return to a younger biological age
while retaining all the skills, muscle memory, experience,
and wealth I have now. Even without substantial improvements
in the underlying specification I'd be able to kick some serious
butt. Or at least not miss a few windows of opportunity that
became all too clear in retrospect.
> > And if so, is it
> > just too personal for you to discuss? Understand that i know
> > that a beautiful face will multiply this effect a thousandfold.
> > But there are beautiful faces out there that do not inspire, that
> > do not shape your destiny, and you know it.
>
> a lot of it comes down to a smile. a girl who doesn't smile knocks a good
> two points off her 1-10 rating.
Which is precisely the point.
> i think this is the real reason why actresses, pornstars and centerfolds
> are more attractive to men than fashion models. (the idea that models are
> boyish is a myth - check out those waist-hip ratios. it's that glassy stare
> that's the real turnoff)
To men. But to women it probably conveys the sort of power they
lust after: "Look at me---and you know you have to---I don't
have to smile because I'm so hot I can afford to alienate 99.99%
of men and I will still have more men pursuing me than I can
possibly find time for." It's the equivalent of the 360 degree dunk
or the no-look behind-the-back pass or Hendrix playing his guitar
behind his neck---a gesture that says "I'm so much better than I
need to be for this job that I have to think of ways to make it
even harder to avoid boredom."
Women who have the job of appealing to men have to master
the delicate art of conveying receptivity---from a safe distance,
of course. The same woman who sends the "come do me" look to
millions of drooling voyeurs through her photos would doubtless
morph back to the studiously indifferent ice princess she has to
be to inhibit most of the same men in a bar.
> > These masks don't
> > radiate a fierce loyal stubborn intense unyielding vision of who
> > you are and who you can become and how much you matter. These
> > statues don't warm you, don't feed you, don't heal you; because
> > they maybe just don't care.
>
> dan is on record as not liking who he is.
What person do you know who, if given the power to change any
aspect of himself or herself, would not change one thing?
Do you like the fact that the person you are is going to
age, deteriorate, and die? Or could be killed early by
some defective social outcast with a gun?
There are things I like about myself, but even those things I
would like to amplify. No doubt Salieri liked having musical
ability but observing Mozart made him wish for more. And why
settle for Mozart's ability? Wouldn't it be fun to be able
to play every musical instrument better than the finest
virtuosos on all of them without any need to practice?
And to be able to instantly compose endlessly compelling
tunes in any musical style?
Wouldn't it be fun to be able to bench-press 5000 pounds
and squat 10000? To have the ability to punch holes in
concrete walls? To be able to jump off 20 story buildings,
hit the ground, and get up without a scratch? To get the
ball in the Super Bowl and carry the entire defense 20
yards to the goal?
Wouldn't it be great to be better than the world's best
experts in every useful area of expertise?
When people aren't laboring for political correctness most
would have to admit they'd like to be superhuman.
Anybody who tries to improve in any way is proclaiming
his or her dislike for some personal deficiency.
Isn't your goal with the fat acceptors to sow some healthy
self-hatred? Too much self-love leads to self-coddling which
in turn leads to self-destruction.
> > i hope you are as good a propagandist over the kitchen table
> > as you are a materialist in the computer room. Propaganda -
> > you can call it whatever else you like - just the power of
> > spreading to the mind of another a specific architecture
> > of cause and effect and intention and motive and meaning of
> > the past so that it benefits both of you, and at the very least,
> > you - and best of all if you can do it unconsciously and 'naturally'.
>
> another big if.
And not only "if you can" but "if you will." A person with the
sort of state control and persuasiveness Andy describes here
could probably find better things to do with it than seduce
wall victims.
> > This habit or ability or skill (whichever you prefer), in a
> > woman, is not all that correlated with beauty or youth, and
> > seems to me pretty fucking crucial in how much time i can
> > stand not being around her. Well, maybe i could make an argument
> > for the absolute idealism of youth, but i find myself preferring
> > the kind of flexible passionate imagination of older women, which
> > might be less tangily sharp, but also tangibly less fragile.
>
> how much older are we talkin here?
> have you ever fucked a fifty year old woman?
> how about an obese woman?
Andy's angle only works as long as he can avoid specifics.
He specifically selected his example of unattractiveness so as
to reassure every woman reading this that he couldn't possibly
be talking about her now or in the future.
> > Like
> > the difference between a CD player, with its crisp mountain air
> > sense of the sonic universe, and a tape deck, which will never
> > skip helplessly and narcissistically on the same note for thirty
> > seconds ruining every conversation in the cafe until someone saves
> > the day.
>
> tapes wear out.
> i want my mp3
Have you heard an original recording in 24/96 format? That is,
with 24 bits per sample and 96K samples/second, per channel?
(I believe that's what DVDs use for their audio tracks.)
CDs use 16/48 format, and MP3 further degrades the signal with
lossy compression. Of course 24/96 format may be higher resolution
than the original instrument signals could provide.
> > These stories capture something eternal and true about what it is
> > like to be alive, and what it is like to be human - and capture it
> > for all time. What do you make of abraham's decision to sacrifice
> > isaac?
At least he didn't take the easy way out and hire Debbie Dowdell
to babysit.
> > Don't you think a woman could
> > do the same in real life for you? Write a fulfilled contented character
> > that you identify with for life, imagine a possible future for you or
> > her or both, and have the power to make it come true by dreaming it
> > concretely enough and obsessively enough and magically enough?
I've seen women who could probably make me forget about other
women for a while. Perhaps as long as two or three years in
some cases.
> sounds like a work.
> jackie 'anakin' tokeman
>
> a lot of work
It's only work if you have available alternatives you find more
attractive; then you'd have to work to resist the urge to
take them. If the option you are currently accepting is the best
option available to you, you don't have to work to stay with that
option. In fact you can be completely lazy. It doesn't take work
to keep taking the sure thing, it takes work to create new
opportunities.
-- the Danimal
Brock Hannibal
>
> Have you heard an original recording in 24/96 format? That is,
> with 24 bits per sample and 96K samples/second, per channel?
> (I believe that's what DVDs use for their audio tracks.)
> CDs use 16/48 format, and MP3 further degrades the signal with
> lossy compression. Of course 24/96 format may be higher resolution
> than the original instrument signals could provide.
The thoretical resolution(well actually dynamic range) of a 24 bit
analog to digital convertor is 144db which is far wider than the range
of amplitudes the human ear can even tolerate. It's way overkill. The
truth can be found in a measure of the dynamic range of the transducers
involved, the speakers and microphones. None of them have this amount of
distortion free dynamic range. The Analog to Digital converters also
can be measured and their "effective bits" computed. I think you'll find
that a 24-bit converter has enough LSB nonlinearities to render all but
the top 16 bits totally superfluous. What you do gain is great linearity
in those top 16 MSB's if the A/D convertor is properly designed. So what
you may be hearing is a reduction of the high-frequency distortion
products added by the analog to digital conversion process. The high
sample rate makes it much easier to suppress aliasing caused by poor low
pass filtering at the Nyquist frequency(Fs/2). The higher sampling rate
also makes the resultant reconstruction filter in the D/A system much
easier to design.
There, is that a nerdish enough explanation? Are you still awake? Heh,
heh.
Aaron R. Kulkis
This is why conceited people tend to be stuck in mediocrity.
Since they absolutely REFUSE to admit that they could have
even one deficiency, they therefore see no reason to improve
themselves in any way.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
Matt Kennel
:If a man meets a woman who is pretty good looking, but who
:can inspire him in ways that a beautiful woman cannot,
:he will want to be with this woman. And yet in all your
:discussions of how men and women meet and have sex, you
:never mention this daily occurrence, except to call it
:'settling'. This isn't accurate.
How do you know that "a beautiful woman cannot"?
--
* Matthew B. Kennel/Institute for Nonlinear Science, UCSD
*
* "To chill, or to pop a cap in my dome, whoomp! there it is."
* Hamlet, Fresh Prince of Denmark.
Aaron R. Kulkis
That's a pretty big "IF".
So big, in fact, that I doubt that it's ever been met.
For example...let's assume that your wife is pretty, but
not as beautiful as, say, Catherine Zeta Jones...and
that you're single...in fact, not even "in a relationship"
with the woman....
Are you saying that you would pass up an opportunity
with CZJ for Miss "OK, but not great"?
Aaron R. Kulkis
>
> Andrew Hare wrote:
> >
> > dan wrote:
>
> [snip of great stuff]
You misspelled "reality-contradicting"
>
> Andy, you are an incredibly perceptive person for one so young and
> have flat amazed me with this post which people should go read and
> reread until they get it.
>
> BTW have you read J.D. Salinger's "Nine Stories"? They are some of
> the best writing I have ever encountered.
> Also read "Winesburg, Ohio" by Sherwood Anderson and "The Pastures
> of Heaven" by John Steinbeck. Of anyone I've ever read who posts on
> usenet you might have the highest odds of synthesizing a great
> writing style by using what those three authors can teach.
>
> Fuck physics, man, I think you should write.
....Fiction.
>
> --
> Brock
>
> "Put a $20 gold piece on my watch chain so the boys'll know I died
> standin' pat"
Brock Hannibal
>
> Brock Hannibal wrote:
> >
> > Andrew Hare wrote:
> > >
> > > dan wrote:
> >
> > [snip of great stuff]
> ^^^^^
>
> You misspelled "reality-contradicting"
Only for the emotionally challenged.
> > Andy, you are an incredibly perceptive person for one so young and
> > have flat amazed me with this post which people should go read and
> > reread until they get it.
> >
> > BTW have you read J.D. Salinger's "Nine Stories"? They are some of
> > the best writing I have ever encountered.
> > Also read "Winesburg, Ohio" by Sherwood Anderson and "The Pastures
> > of Heaven" by John Steinbeck. Of anyone I've ever read who posts on
> > usenet you might have the highest odds of synthesizing a great
> > writing style by using what those three authors can teach.
> >
> > Fuck physics, man, I think you should write.
>
> ....Fiction.
You must never have read the works that I cited.
Brock Hannibal
>
> On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 02:45:29 GMT, Andrew Hare <an...@physics.mcgill.ca> wrote:
> :If a man meets a woman who is pretty good looking, but who
> :can inspire him in ways that a beautiful woman cannot,
> :he will want to be with this woman. And yet in all your
> :discussions of how men and women meet and have sex, you
> :never mention this daily occurrence, except to call it
> :'settling'. This isn't accurate.
>
> How do you know that "a beautiful woman cannot"?
Andy's choice of the word *cannot* was a little unfortunate in this
case. Please forgive me if I also misinterpret you Andy, but I think
your meaning was, "If a man meets a woman who is pretty good
looking, but who
can inspire him in ways some *specific*, beautiful, *other* woman
cannot." Please correct me if I'm misstating your hypothesis.
Andrew Hare
Coralie Naumann wrote:
> "Brock Hannibal" <hami...@pacifier.com> wrote in message
> news:3A5E76FC...@pacifier.com...
> > Andrew Hare wrote:
> > >
> > > dan wrote:
> >
> > [snip of great stuff]
> >
> > Andy, you are an incredibly perceptive person for one so young and
> > have flat amazed me with this post which people should go read and
> > reread until they get it.
>
> if i could find a man like andy vintage 1950, then life would have
> fulfilled its purpose.
> oh dems de breaks.
>
> >
> > BTW have you read J.D. Salinger's "Nine Stories"? They are some of
> > the best writing I have ever encountered.
> > Also read "Winesburg, Ohio" by Sherwood Anderson and "The Pastures
> > of Heaven" by John Steinbeck.
i haven't read any of these. i'll look them up, thanks.
> > Of anyone I've ever read who posts on
> > usenet you might have the highest odds of synthesizing a great
> > writing style by using what those three authors can teach.
> >
> > Fuck physics, man, I think you should write.
thanks for writing this, brock.
i really appreciate it.
> and write and write and write...............
:)
One of the great things about this place is not only
are there people i love reading on any topic, but
almost everybody is fascinating on some subjects.
(Sometimes i imagine myself giving a random word/subject to
annette every saturday like 'cats and quagmires' or
'the colour: teal' or 'fingerprints and candycanes' which
she would have to write at least a hundred words on. Whatever
comes into her head. But for the fact that it would put her on
the spot, so i haven't done it, i'm sure every last one of those
mini essais would be a treat for me to read)
Andy
Andrew Hare
dan wrote:
> Something that looks like an opportunity is usually going to seem
> more inviting than something that doesn't look like an opportunity.
> Like, duh.
You misunderstand. The subject is (in part) those factors
in attractions that are not based on beauty. So that
these other factors are not only part of the invitation;
they are part of what makes the opportunity itself a
superior one to some other opportunity.
i've given some specific examples of this in other posts
which you have not engaged. Here's one for this post.
i've known men who are very attracted to a woman who is
reasonable and steady. No matter what the situation is,
there this person is, basically calm, voice evenly modulated,
not suddenly shrieking, not suddenly silent, and so on. i've
also known men who find this very unattractive. These same
qualities gain other names, like 'dead', 'unpassionate',
'cold' and so on. So the first kind of man, if he
were to meet this woman, who let's say is fairly
attactive to him physically, might prefer being around her
than with someone he finds much more physically attractive.
And the second kind of man would shrug his shoulders.
Your analysis of the same situation would probably
begin with trying to 'explain' why the man 'settled'.
But this is a mistake.
> But in the final analysis what matters is how good the opportunity
> is, not how easy it is to obtain.
>
> Think of the analogy with job-hunting.
Alright then.
> If the manager of the local
> McDonalds came to your door and begged you to accept a wonderful
> opportunity to come flip burgers for the minimum wage, which would
> matter more: how much he stroked your ego or the number on your paycheck?
How did you choose the job you're doing now? When you
first started doing it, were you making as much money
as you were in your previous job? If not, imagine a
person (and they exist) who has changed jobs with the
result that they earn less money. What other factors
are influencing this decision? Well, it may be that
she wants to live in another city. Or that she prefers
to work certain hours. Or she prefers the independence
of being her own boss. Or she prefers computer
programming because of the intellectual pleasure involved,
over her previous perhaps more banal job. Or she wants
to work with a different kind of people, whether they
be younger, or more 'into a cause', or more artistic,
or whatever. Or perhaps she is praised more often and
valued more highly at her new position, whether it is
the occasional student who thanks her for her lectures,
or her boss who thinks it important to recognize and
reward his exceptional employees.
All of these have analogies, obviously, in forming
relationships. Maybe i'm looking for a woman with a
certain habit of being able to stand up to me in an
argument without bringing up details from arguments
we supposedly settled previously. Or maybe i'm looking
for a woman who has a profound faith in god. Or maybe
i'm looking for a woman who laughs in the face of
do-gooding idiots. Or maybe a thousand such things
that don't show up on the sexual market value radar -
which is a pretty decent radar as far as it goes.
> Back in the gold rush days people were willing to cross unsettled
> continents *on foot* and do months of backbreaking labor all for
> the remote possibility of collecting a few chunks of shiny yellow metal.
Back ten minutes ago people were willing to risk
being captured or killed by an enemy, willing to
give up their family or friends, willing to go to
the edge of the earth for the one they love.
And the reasons they love have something to do
with all the information you can get from seeing
and being with someone in five minutes, and something
to do with what happens after that.
> > and i don't think you do women any great favors by attempted to muddy the
> > waters regarding this already disinformation plagued issue, though you may
> > be able to increase your own smv whilst hammering a few more nails through
> > danny's cruciform archetype.
> > which may be the point.
> > heh
>
> Of course, but ironically it's pointless. The kind of women most
> likely to draw comfort from such an Andyoblique attack are precisely
> those women who are least likely to require any special effort to
> seduce.
>
> Andy's hauling out the heavy artillery where a flyswatter would
> suffice. Or in the words of the Tokeman, all he has to do is
> show up.
You're both being silly.
> > > the tag-line wink gesture for what are the
> > > occasions you are 'kidding' and the soft 'hey' for what are the
> > > occasions you are thawing her and the harsher 'listen' for what
> > > are the occasions when you are 'absolutely serious'; your shared
> > > narrative for what the events in your lives together *mean* - i
> > > wonder if you remember that these stories are about as important
> > > and vital to the relationship as whether she stays in shape or
> > > whether you maintain your secure well-paying job.
> >
> > well, i'll give you this - at least you concede that the two factors are
> > equal.
> > i think most people blur thier brains with a hazy lazy vision of
> > unconditional love consisting of shared history which is supposed to trump
> > such minor issues as gaining fifty pounds.
i think quite a few people do this. i think a lot of people,
although they don't phrase what they're saying in a way that
is palatable to you, understand quite well what they might
call the mixture of body and spirit at work. If your agenda
is to talk only at those people with the lazy vision, that's
your business. i'm interested in talking about the whole
real thing as best i know how with others who are too.
> Not to mention gaining 50 years.
>
> People don't necessarily end entire relationships when the
> initial impetus for the relationship is long dead, particularly
> if no better alternative presents itself, but certainly
> there will be aspects of the relationship that don't outlive
> their stimuli.
This is the kind of sentence that you think scientists write,
but actually don't because they have committed themselves to
remaining faithful to the data of the world.
> > > If you found a woman who believed in you, and i mean, you
> > > could look into her eyes, and see someone who is literally
> > > changing your brain chemistry by imagining you into the
> > > future that you most dearly desire, who can will away with
> > > a smile your inevitable dithering self-doubts, who can look into
> > > your eyes and see the twenty year old man you can never be again
> > > but for a moment you feel it - wouldn't this kind of power be
> > > akin to the power of a cheerleader's body?
> >
> > that's a big if.
i don't think so.
> > > And if so, is it
> > > just too personal for you to discuss? Understand that i know
> > > that a beautiful face will multiply this effect a thousandfold.
> > > But there are beautiful faces out there that do not inspire, that
> > > do not shape your destiny, and you know it.
> >
> > a lot of it comes down to a smile. a girl who doesn't smile knocks a good
> > two points off her 1-10 rating.
>
> Which is precisely the point.
What point?
> > i think this is the real reason why actresses, pornstars and centerfolds
> > are more attractive to men than fashion models. (the idea that models are
> > boyish is a myth - check out those waist-hip ratios. it's that glassy stare
> > that's the real turnoff)
No, i think it's the lankiness. i think a lot of fashion
models are hot, but not quite in the mydeargod centerfold way.
Excellent stuff. Fully agreed (except for minor cavils on
the last sentence, but this is a standard rhetorical device
on your part).
And of the millions of ways men and women have fallen
in love with each other over the centuries, as told
in countless songs and stories, you're no longer going
to see them all as expressions of single figure sexual
market value choices. Because that would be too limiting
a perception for the growing person that you are!
> Isn't your goal with the fat acceptors to sow some healthy
> self-hatred? Too much self-love leads to self-coddling which
> in turn leads to self-destruction.
>
> > > i hope you are as good a propagandist over the kitchen table
> > > as you are a materialist in the computer room. Propaganda -
> > > you can call it whatever else you like - just the power of
> > > spreading to the mind of another a specific architecture
> > > of cause and effect and intention and motive and meaning of
> > > the past so that it benefits both of you, and at the very least,
> > > you - and best of all if you can do it unconsciously and 'naturally'.
> >
> > another big if.
>
> And not only "if you can" but "if you will." A person with the
> sort of state control and persuasiveness Andy describes here
> could probably find better things to do with it than seduce
> wall victims.
But this person wouldn't see the other person as a 'wall victim'.
They would see someone who they quite fancy; who is warm; who
is viciously funny or cute when sentimental or is gentle with
children or who is gruff but reliable in a crisis or reminds
them of their grandmother in a way they've never brought to the
surface. They would see someone who instantly got their robert
crumb reference, or who also had a sibling that turned to alcoholism,
or whatever.
> Andy's angle only works as long as he can avoid specifics.
> He specifically selected his example of unattractiveness so as
> to reassure every woman reading this that he couldn't possibly
> be talking about her now or in the future.
While it's nice to be thought of as having an 'angle',
more humdrumly i've been pointing towards, i hope, some
fairly specific examples of some factors that come into
play in the wonderful world of getting-it-on. Don't get
me wrong. i too think that the buzzcocks had me in mind
when they were writing 'orgasm addict'. Still, there is more.
You may or may not have noticed these effects, but they are
there, and they are simply not captured by terms like 'wall
victim' 'settled' and so on. These are terms that a lazy
thinker uses once he has bluntly decided there are about
three categories when there are really three hundred or three
thousand. You and jack are like the physicist who says that
the frequency of the radiation coming from the excited neon
atom is 'yellow'. Well, yes, but this isn't specific enough.
This doesn't mean that these blunter categories aren't
sometimes useful. It's informative to know that i'm in canada,
and not in the states. It's more precise to say that i'm in
a computer room in a library in mcgill in montreal in quebec in
canada. Carries more information. It's a more complete perception,
even though there was nothing 'untruthful' about the original
description.
Sometimes the use of blunter categories is not just too vague,
it actually misdescribes the subcategory badly enough that it is
misleading. i'm not coming up with a good enough example for
this at the moment, sorry.
Here's an example of something sort of related. Let's say if
a woman is pretty enough, she's like a body of water for me,
and baby, i want to get wet. So, is she an ocean? A puddle?
A river? A waterfall? A stream? Rain? A bathtub of tepid
water? Is she an icicle? Which of the many varieties of
crystalline ice? Is she salty water that i can float in? Is
she a lake? (this is kind of fun) Is she a moon? (Just to
make this clear, the varieties of water is an analogy for
the kinds of women there are, and the point is that there
is not enough information given when i say that she is
twenty five and about 8 on amihotornot)
> > > Don't you think a woman could
> > > do the same in real life for you? Write a fulfilled contented character
> > > that you identify with for life, imagine a possible future for you or
> > > her or both, and have the power to make it come true by dreaming it
> > > concretely enough and obsessively enough and magically enough?
>
> I've seen women who could probably make me forget about other
> women for a while. Perhaps as long as two or three years in
> some cases.
>
> > sounds like a work.
> > jackie 'anakin' tokeman
> >
> > a lot of work
>
> It's only work if you have available alternatives you find more
> attractive; then you'd have to work to resist the urge to
> take them. If the option you are currently accepting is the best
> option available to you, you don't have to work to stay with that
> option. In fact you can be completely lazy. It doesn't take work
> to keep taking the sure thing, it takes work to create new
> opportunities.
This is what i mean by lazy analysis. You're confusing
at least four different possible meanings of what it is to
find someone 'more attractive' (actually more physically
attractive than you normally day to day find your partner?
more attractive simply because she is an alternative, and
guys get tired of the same old same old? more attractive
than your partner looks even when your partner is dressed
to the hilt and in a good loving mood with you? more attractive
in a non-physical sense because she laughs at your jokes?).
Also, you are using the 'i'm just choosing a flavour of ice-cream'
word 'option' to describe someone that your nervous system has for
years been responding to and evolving with. All this makes for a
less than compelling description of these stages of life, at least
in my opinion. Not that i've expressed as well as i eventually
want to what i'm getting at in these posts.
Andy
Andrew Hare
On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, Matt Kennel wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 02:45:29 GMT, Andrew Hare <an...@physics.mcgill.ca> wrote:
> :If a man meets a woman who is pretty good looking, but who
> :can inspire him in ways that a beautiful woman cannot,
> :he will want to be with this woman. And yet in all your
> :discussions of how men and women meet and have sex, you
> :never mention this daily occurrence, except to call it
> :'settling'. This isn't accurate.
>
> How do you know that "a beautiful woman cannot"?
i don't. i meant something like this: '...who can inspire
him in a manner like no other woman has, not even women he
finds more beautiful'
Andy
Andrew Hare
That's it exactly.
Andy
BrendaLee
hello Andy..
If you've got more... well..... don't hold back..
Loved the water anology.. :)
BrendaLee
>
> Andy
Matt Kennel
:
yes that's a different folio altogether
:Andy
d'animal might call it SMV spoofing
and perhaps it was effective on Saint Harry
Annette M. Stroud
Andrew Hare <an...@physics.mcgill.ca> wrote:
>(Sometimes i imagine myself giving a random word/subject to
>annette every saturday like 'cats and quagmires' or
>'the colour: teal' or 'fingerprints and candycanes' which
>she would have to write at least a hundred words on. Whatever
>comes into her head. But for the fact that it would put her on
>the spot, so i haven't done it, i'm sure every last one of those
>mini essais would be a treat for me to read)
That actually used to be a party trick of mine. It's been a long time.
Don't know if I could do it anymore. (A good bit of it, too, was the
audience and the immediacy.)
I don't know about going to a hundred words. Brevity is the soul of.
Annette (already thinking about sticky red and white swirled fingerprints)
Kenn Barry
Brock Hannibal <hami...@pacifier.com> wrote:
>Andrew Hare wrote:
>
>[snip of great stuff]
I second that "great".
>Fuck physics, man, I think you should write.
But he does write. Here. A fact for which I'm grateful.
Stick with physics, Andy. Really fine writers are needed
more in science than in the arts, because more are attracted to
the arts. The great thing about physics is that, for all the
mystery and poetry of it, it is just simple _enough_. Simple
enough that the Mocsnyesque simplifying assumptions that underlie
something like sociobiology, and reveal it as a caricature of
reality when they're noticed, never survive in physics. They
shatter like glass on the shoals of reality, of actual testing.
Physics is just simple enough that its complexities can't be
ignored or wished-away.
Kayembee
Annette M. Stroud
It is also good for writing to be informed and enriched rather than inbred
writing about writing.
I am not sure that the sciences need good writers, but the humanities
need the sciences to have good writers.
Annette
Vill...@webtv.net
>I am not sure that the sciences need good
>writers, but the humanities need the
>sciences to have good writers.
Yes! And this is especialy true if the idea that breaking the
language/understanding barriers between disiplines is usefull to a macro
view of our evolving reality.
Wm.
cbianco
>> Have you heard an original recording in 24/96 format? That is,
>> with 24 bits per sample and 96K samples/second, per channel?
>> (I believe that's what DVDs use for their audio tracks.)
>> CDs use 16/48 format, and MP3 further degrades the signal with
>> lossy compression. Of course 24/96 format may be higher resolution
>> than the original instrument signals could provide.
hanbl
>The thoretical resolution(well actually dynamic range) of a 24 bit
>analog to digital convertor is 144db which is far wider than the range
>of amplitudes the human ear can even tolerate. It's way overkill.
as far as cgi goes, greater bitdepth allows more room for bending
around the data in a post-productiion environment without building up
annoying artifacts. -- for instance a 16bit per channel rgb image may
allow you to pump up the shadow detail of a dark image, whereas trying
to do the same thing with an 8bit per channel rgb image (24bit rgb)
might end up causing very jagged, cruddy, ugly banding of the
colors-steps.
and of course this lovingly attended image is for the most part
eventually played back off of vhs on a 13 inch monitor with the hue
skewed all the way to solid pink.
cbianco
Brock Hannibal
>
> danml
> >> Have you heard an original recording in 24/96 format? That is,
> >> with 24 bits per sample and 96K samples/second, per channel?
> >> (I believe that's what DVDs use for their audio tracks.)
> >> CDs use 16/48 format, and MP3 further degrades the signal with
> >> lossy compression. Of course 24/96 format may be higher resolution
> >> than the original instrument signals could provide.
>
> hanbl
> >The thoretical resolution(well actually dynamic range) of a 24 bit
> >analog to digital convertor is 144db which is far wider than the range
> >of amplitudes the human ear can even tolerate. It's way overkill.
>
> as far as cgi goes, greater bitdepth allows more room for bending
> around the data in a post-productiion environment without building up
> annoying artifacts. -- for instance a 16bit per channel rgb image may
> allow you to pump up the shadow detail of a dark image, whereas trying
> to do the same thing with an 8bit per channel rgb image (24bit rgb)
> might end up causing very jagged, cruddy, ugly banding of the
> colors-steps.
That's true of audio, too. However, it's also true if the lsb's of
the 24-bit audio data are zero filled and the results of certain
operations may even be 48-bits which are then properly rounded and
filtered back to 16-bits for delivery to the end consumer. You can
represent data from a 16-bit A/D converter with as many trailing
zeros as you wish. My point was for the two ends of audio, the
encoding end and the delivery end, 24-bits is basically a lot more
dynamic range, aka resolution, than is needed or even really
achieved.
> and of course this lovingly attended image is for the most part
> eventually played back off of vhs on a 13 inch monitor with the hue
> skewed all the way to solid pink.
Likewise the audio is played back through brutishly distorting
4-inch speakers.
George Davenport
>
> "George Davenport" <ging...@pacbell.net> wrote
> > Coralie Naumann <cnau...@goul-burn.net.au> wrote
> > > hehe! Mum would be impressed, she still thinks i am
> > > very immature.
> >
> > Do you live near her? Mine still pulls stuff on me, the old "boss
> > the son around in front of her friends" trick, etc. I'm glad I left
> > the area where I grew up.
>
> Mum is about 45 mins drive away and at a safe distance.
My bro and sis are at that safe distance too. I took off right after
university for that year in Perth. Then here in California for grad
school, and here I've remained.
> I grew up in Canberra and Fremantle but would call Canberra
> my base, always seem to go back there.
I got to Fremantle a couple times. Never to Canberra.
I kept a journal and took quite a few slides. One of my other
highlights was joining a caving club. We had a telly-sponsored
trip where we acted as guides and porters into a couple of
Nullarbor caves, and the producer chartered a six seat plane
in which some of us were lucky enoughto be passengers. I got
to fly Perth to some airstrip in the desert, where they removed
the door to the plane and strapped the cameraman into the door
opening. I got to ride along as the plane flew at low altitude --
sometimes even below the height of the dune crests -- back and
forth across the southern edge of the country. Which is like a
flat cake with golden icing and 100m sides. I took some photos
of my own when the damn guy strapped in place of the door
wasn't blocking my view.
> N.Z. is my "Blue Bayou" and would go back there in a heartbeat.
> (i left a beautiful husband there.... sigh!).
Ever think of making changes once your kids are all on their own?
> > > "Mum you are not going out like that are you?"
> >
> > Shouldn't you be saying that to them? ;)
>
> I do! but really teenagers do know everything. Ask them!
One day their kids will be doing the retro thing with quaint
piercings and rainbow hair.
> Oh yeah, but then it is his friends who pay me the attention, he just
> acts as if i am his possession and isn't he the clever one.
> [...] Too late, he is yesterday, i am looking forward to tomorrow.
Try to let him down easy.
> > Every hive needs a Queen Bee!
>
> Yes i suppose that is true, but where are we going to get all the
> little drones and worker bees from? There are hardly enough
> here to sustain her.
*laugh*
drone: "Show me the honey!"
> What did you think of Perth and Sydney?
Sydney was nice to visit. I wouldn't live there. I enjoyed driving
north from Sydney through New England, camping in national
parks, fossicking for topaz and sapphire in streams. Then the
drive back along the gorgeous coast.
But I can imagine myself living in Perth again. I had a flat about
5 minutes walk from the Uni. Lots of gorgeous walking from there,
dawn and dusk strolls along the Swan River, Thursday nights and
weekends into downtown Perth, occasional fairs in farflung
neighborhoods. No supermarkets, separate stores for meat, fruit
& veg, beer wine and luxury foods. A great neighborhood used
book shop, ten cents a book and heavy on the sci-fi selection. A
neighborhood gallery selling antique paintings and prints. A deli
with the best roast beef & horseradish sandwiches and salt 'n'
vinegar chips.
I'm still in touch with one friend after 17 years, her parents are still
in Perth but she and her SO have bought a place near the Grampians.
> > Me, I pay attention to women's faces. And you've got attractive
> > hair and facial features, which you'll *still* have even as time does
> > its thing. So you've got this lead photo which shows off your face
> > and hair without highlighting signs of getting older, and is in a
> > youthful style. I'd hardly call that terrible. ;)
>
> OOh i am letting this go to my head, i had better be careful.
Heh!
> > If you want soc.singles' attention, there's always the "Full Clarice"
>
> And what may i ask is the "full Clarice"?
Did you ever watch "The Full Monty"? ;-)
But there's a lot to be said for subtlety.
> > George, still thinking of going back to DC
>
> What is the force, fond memories or work opportunities?
The Bay Area gets frustrating at times. Unaffordable homes, traffic
congestion, bad attitudes, skyrocketing energy prices. Family's still
in the DC area, so are some friends both old and new. I left the DC
area before I ever learned about all it had to offer. And I'd like to
travel on and from the east coast. That about sums it up.
I just finished my fourth night class in the last year, C++ programming
(hi Brenda) and before long ought to have a few new job ops.
George
Coralie Naumann
"George Davenport" <ging...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:vDe96.139$SJ1.2...@news.pacbell.net...
> Coralie Naumann <cnau...@goul-burn.net.au> wrote
> >
> > "George Davenport" <ging...@pacbell.net> wrote
> > > Coralie Naumann <cnau...@goul-burn.net.au> wrote
>
> university for that year in Perth. Then here in California for grad
> school, and here I've remained.
What year was that?
What did you study at uni? computer sciences?
My son is at ANU doing a B of Sc. mainly into math and physics. 3
distinctions 2 credits and a pass last semester. Into his 3rd year now.
I am a wee bit proud of him.
> I got to Fremantle a couple times. Never to Canberra.
not many people like Canberra, they say it lacks character and is very
sterile. I look at it another way. Canberra is a satellite city made
up of mainly satellite families. Back in the 50s most people who came
to Canberra came because of postings or transfers within the public
service or immigrants from Italy, Greece or Malta. Today Canberra has a
unique flavour of its own, very multicultural and very tidy. It is more
like a country town in character, just looks like a city without the
pollution.
>
> I kept a journal and took quite a few slides. One of my other
> highlights was joining a caving club. We had a telly-sponsored
> trip where we acted as guides and porters into a couple of
> Nullarbor caves, and the producer chartered a six seat plane
> in which some of us were lucky enough to be passengers. I got
Did you get to CooberPedy? Big on caves there and the homes are built
underground.
> to fly Perth to some airstrip in the desert, where they removed
> the door to the plane and strapped the cameraman into the door
> opening. I got to ride along as the plane flew at low altitude --
> sometimes even below the height of the dune crests -- back and
> forth across the southern edge of the country. Which is like a
> flat cake with golden icing and 100m sides. I took some photos
> of my own when the damn guy strapped in place of the door
> wasn't blocking my view.
Goodness me! That sounds all very exciting and scary.
What you describe reminds me of the Eucla Basin... When I was a kid,
end of 1962, we did a crossing from Canberra to Perth. In those days
the road was not sealed and the bull-dust and pot-holes were plenty.
One moment stands out in my mind so vividly. We had just crossed the
S.A. border it was minutes before sunset and we were heading down into
the town of Eucla. To the left as you looked out over the Great
Australian Bite, you could see these massive sand dunes and as the
setting sun hit them they changed to a very deep purple. It appeared
like someone had spilt a glass of purple water over blotting paper the
way it soaked into the landscape. One of the most miraculous sites I
have seen in my life. A beautiful introduction to W.A.
>
> > N.Z. is my "Blue Bayou" and would go back there in a heartbeat.
> > (I left a beautiful husband there.... sigh!).
>
> Ever think of making changes once your kids are all on their own?
One more year and then the world is my oyster. I certainly do intend to
travel, haven't decided where to first.
>
> One day their kids will be doing the retro thing with quaint
> piercings and rainbow hair.
Naomi has already made noises about belly button rings and tattoos....
help!
and hair colours... they have this hair colour called 'Fudge' and it
comes in green, blue, purple etc. so maybe her kids will go back to
fashions of the 16th century or some other bygone day.
> Try to let him down easy.
I did, want to stay friends so don't believe in being nasty.
>
> > > Every hive needs a Queen Bee!
> >
> > Yes I suppose that is true, but where are we going to get all the
> > little drones and worker bees from? There are hardly enough
> > here to sustain her.
>
> *laugh*
>
> drone: "Show me the honey!"
Queen Bee: "here I am sweetie, try before you die."
> Sydney was nice to visit. I wouldn't live there. I enjoyed driving
> north from Sydney through New England, camping in national
> parks, fossicking for topaz and sapphire in streams. Then the
> drive back along the gorgeous coast.
I always find the drive from Sydney the most pleasant part.
>
> But I can imagine myself living in Perth again. I had a flat about
> 5 minutes walk from the Uni. Lots of gorgeous walking from there,
> dawn and dusk strolls along the Swan River, Thursday nights and
> weekends into downtown Perth, occasional fairs in farflung
> neighborhoods. No supermarkets, separate stores for meat, fruit
> & veg, beer wine and luxury foods. A great neighborhood used
> book shop, ten cents a book and heavy on the sci-fi selection. A
> neighborhood gallery selling antique paintings and prints. A deli
> with the best roast beef & horseradish sandwiches and salt 'n'
> vinegar chips.
you are really stirring up the cobblestones of my mind now. We lived in
South Perth just over the Narrows Bridge. When I was young I was a
great swimmer, tops at my school for females but a few males could beat
me, my older brother was one of them. We used to go down to the bridge
and race across the swan river. This one day it had just rained and the
tide was in, all these jellyfish were floating around the river and I
had second thoughts about racing him that day. Naturally he teased and
chided me until I said ok. We dove into the water and took off at a
great rate I wasn't too far behind him and as we had about 800 metres to
swim I thought to conserve my strength. Would you believe it, I hit
this ginormous jellyfish, I panicked and swam as fast as my little arms
and legs could go. Pulled myself out of the water and took a few deep
breaths then looked around for my brother. You guessed it, he was still
coming. I never did tell him why I won the race that day and I don't
think I ever will. That was my moment of glory.
>
> I'm still in touch with one friend after 17 years, her parents are
still
> in Perth but she and her SO have bought a place near the Grampians.
That is a long way from WA, why did they choose there to live?
> >
> > And what may I ask is the "full Clarice"?
>
> Did you ever watch "The Full Monty"? ;-)
Yes, thoroughly enjoyed it, and now the penny drops!
> > What is the force, fond memories or work opportunities?
>
> The Bay Area gets frustrating at times. Unaffordable homes, traffic
> congestion, bad attitudes, skyrocketing energy prices. Family's still
> in the DC area, so are some friends both old and new. I left the DC
> area before I ever learned about all it had to offer. And I'd like to
> travel on and from the east coast. That about sums it up.
pretty strong motivation by the sounds of things.
What time did you say you were leaving?
>
> I just finished my fourth night class in the last year, C++
programming
> (hi Brenda) and before long ought to have a few new job ops.
you ought to have them right now, perhaps you haven't looked too hard.
I have considered doing VB, something simple. But then I have always
been a hardware person myself and it may be better to stick to what I do
best. Bookkeeper by trade, service technician by choice.
--
Coralie
cnau...@goul-burn.net.au
(remove the "-" to email me)
>
>
> George
>
>
>
BrendaLee
George Davenport wrote:
>
snipped for brevity
>
> I just finished my fourth night class in the last year, C++ programming
> (hi Brenda) and before long ought to have a few new job ops.
>
> George
Hee..
Hiya George..
Well. Very cool.. <Piqued curiosity>....
How do you like it? Have you had other languages with which to
compare it against?
If so, how does it rate in your eyes?
Tweaking a working program is a lot of fun.. :)
Smiles,
BrendaLee
ps..
Oh yeah Good luck!
Shawn T Pickrell
BrendaLee <eh...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
: Hee..
: Hiya George..
: Smiles,
: BrendaLee
: ps..
: Oh yeah Good luck!
--
Shawn Pickrell
15 November 2000: Barbados 0-4 USA
BrendaLee
Shawn T Pickrell wrote:
>
> aaaaah! head hurts!
Why does your head hurt, Shawn?
:)
BrendaLee
Shawn T Pickrell
: Shawn T Pickrell wrote:
:>
:> aaaaah! head hurts!
: Why does your head hurt, Shawn?
programming.
mmm unix.
just put together the hardware for a e3500 server today. then there are
1 more to put together and then the os needs to go on. then we need to
watch the ppl putting hte apps on and make sure they don't mess up our
babies.
: :)
BrendaLee
The Danimal wrote:
>
> Coralie Naumann wrote:
> >
> > "George Davenport" <ging...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> > news:%0d46.108$PR4.1...@news.pacbell.net...
> > > Coralie Naumann <cnau...@goul-burn.net.au> wrote
> > > > because the "for your age" adage, does not say you are
> > > > an attractive woman. Its says, "for an old person you look
> > > > good", which is not a bad thing, but can upset some women.
>
You are at best a consolation prize for a
> man who has to settle.
>
> But that's not such a bad thing, is it? The sex can still be
> adequate.
I have a long way to go before this becomes an issue, but I can
tell you with all due respect!
*Adequate* is never going to cut it for me. And I don't settle.
This I know.
>
> > The lover, whoever he may be, acts proud to be with
> > me but does not say much. I suppose that is okay.
Coralie? Why doesn't he say much, do you think? Is that his
personality?
Does he say things when you are alone with him?
>
> Better get used to it. One thing old men learn quickly about
> old women is that one does not have to lie to an old woman
> to keep her around. Lying is such difficult work anyway,
> especially to old women who still remember what it was like
> to be young and beautiful, and to have seen the look of
> real lust in men's eyes.
It is lust or bust in BrendaWorld, Dan.. Hee Hee
>
> One could possibly define "middle age" as that
> time in a woman's life when a man can flatly tell her he
> settled for her *AND SHE DOES NOT LEAVE*.
No lie, Dan. If a man I was with *ever* feels he settled, and
even more so felt he could say that to my face, I'd be gone before
the end of the day. There are thousands, actually millions of men
out there. To be treated with disrespect on either side is
nothing less than sheer craziness. I am spirited and have no
intention of wasting one more moment of my life or another's for
that matter..
> You would be better off developing the state control necessary
> to think about unpleasant realities objectively without
> processing them emotionally.
Just yesterday I heard that they did these double blind studies in
which people that are brought into the hospital for a heartattack
and **deny** that they are having a heart attack fare way better
than those who are diagnosing themselves, feeling sorry for
themselves, and are focused in fear on what is happening.
Sometimes Dan, one is actually better in not facing reality. If I
would have accepted the reality of my childhood for what it was?
Shoot. I shudder to think what a bitter bitch I could have/would
have turned out to be.
When Terry Waite was held hostage for them years he did what I
did, or rather I did what he did. Nathanial Brandon goes into
this a bit in his latest books. There is a name for it, actually.
It was how he kept his sanity under the emotional duress he
endured day in day out..
>
> A fact is just a fact. Your emotional response to a fact is
> a different thing. You can learn to control it.
We are responsible for our reactions to things, this is true. And
it can be controlled.
And what if we are emotionally attached to a fact?
Do you think we see things clearly enough to control it?
BrendaLee
> -- the Danimal
Coralie Naumann
"BrendaLee" <eh...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3A67A3A3...@rochester.rr.com...
> > > The lover, whoever he may be, acts proud to be with
> > > me but does not say much. I suppose that is okay.
>
> Coralie? Why doesn't he say much, do you think? Is that his
> personality?
His personality made it important to be seen as the prize winner.
> Does he say things when you are alone with him?
"Did" is the more operative word here.
Oh yes! quite obviously loved my appearance, but more often relayed what
other guys said about me. In his eyes i was his trophy. What he didn't
realise is that these same guys were trying to cut him out. The man was
a fool and was only measuring me by my looks he was a major "52yr old
Danimal" and believed that his money and position were enough to hold
me.
--
Coralie
cnau...@goul-burn.net.au
(remove the "-" to email me)
> --
ging...@pacbell.net
>
> George Davenport wrote:
> >
> > I just finished my fourth night class in the
> > last year, C++ programming (hi Brenda) and
> > before long ought to have a few new job ops.
> >
>
> Hiya George..
Hey Bren ...
> Well. Very cool.. <Piqued curiosity>....
>
> How do you like it?
I like it. It comes naturally to me. My brain
is rusty, though.
> Have you had other languages with which to
> compare it against?
BASIC, a teensy bit of machine language, FORTRAN,
a structured version of FORTRAN, LISP, and C.
The structured FORTRAN is what got me to Australia
way back when, the year I've been describing to
Coralie.
C++ is most versatile. Next class: "An Object-
Oriented Programming Approach to C++". Also, a
friend is looking into giving me a small contract
programming job, iffen a particular grant comes
through for him later this year. He was the one
who suggested it, but then again he's known me
since we were wee high school sophomores.
Where are you heading with your computer class(es)?
George
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BrendaLee
ging...@pacbell.net wrote:
>
> BrendaLee <eh...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > George Davenport wrote:
> > >
> > > I just finished my fourth night class in the
> > > last year, C++ programming (hi Brenda) and
> > > before long ought to have a few new job ops.
> > >
> > Hee..
> >
> > Hiya George..
>
> Hey Bren ...
It is a beautiful frigid crisp winter day ---- again.
Sure glad warmth can come from the inside out as well. :)
<yes, I am counting down the days until Spring>
>
> > Well. Very cool.. <Piqued curiosity>....
> >
> > How do you like it?
>
> I like it. It comes naturally to me. My brain
> is rusty, though.
It is a lot of fun actually. I find that logic can be tricky
sometimes. Partially because I want to know something so much
that I get too close and forget that along with that closeness
comes an inability to see it from a myriad of perspectives. And I
have gotten stuck.. heh, once for 3 days. It was not until I
backed up and allowed myself to see outside the box I was in that
I saw how easily I was looking right past the obvious.
Pointers are the hardest for me. I had this one not-so-great C
teacher. He put a fright in me about trashing my computer by
writing over memory. Too bad teachers do this, for they just
don't see how that can hold back the natural curiosity that makes
someone really good at what they do. Sure, relay the risks but
realize that all gains include an element of risk.
>
> > Have you had other languages with which to
> > compare it against?
>
> BASIC, a teensy bit of machine language, FORTRAN,
> a structured version of FORTRAN, LISP, and C.
I don't know about the others, but with a C background C++ should
be an extension, albeit a nice one. Do you find that to be the
case? I started with C so I am unfamiliar with the others you
mention other than by name alone.
I also did a class of Assembler Programming. We are talking low
level programming. Very low!
>
> The structured FORTRAN is what got me to Australia
> way back when, the year I've been describing to
> Coralie.
Ah, I see. Cool!
>
> C++ is most versatile. Next class: "An Object-
> Oriented Programming Approach to C++".
You're going to love it! I A-ced the first two courses. Now this
third course is a bit harder. Linked lists, circular linked lists,
nodes, heads, tails, etc.
I am quick to grasp conceptually, implementation is a bit harder.
> Also, a
> friend is looking into giving me a small contract
> programming job, iffen a particular grant comes
> through for him later this year. He was the one
> who suggested it, but then again he's known me
> since we were wee high school sophomores.
That will be fun. I hope it works out for you.
>
> Where are you heading with your computer class(es)?
I am in the midst of going for my Bachelor's in Computer Science.
I've decided to take Java as one of my electives.
As to where I am heading? Wow.. I honestly don't know yet,
George.. This is the first time in my life I ever had the freedom
to actually consider what I wanted to do with my life.
I am so excited. I have so many worlds to discover. I have much to
make up and learn I have to say it is the best feeling I have ever
experienced. So many things look exciting to me. I just have to
watch the tendency to become scattered. Jack of all trades, master
of none. NTTAWWI
At any rate, I am a heart person and so programming is a really
good balance for me.
Smile,
Brenda
ps.
thanks for asking!
>
> George
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/
--
Frans Buijsen
> It is a beautiful frigid crisp winter day ---- again.
> Sure glad warmth can come from the inside out as well. :)
I was holding out slight hopes that the Amsterdam canals would get
frozen over when it started freezing this week. But it's already above
zero again, so I guess it's out for the moment.
> > > Have you had other languages with which to
> > > compare it against?
> >
> > BASIC, a teensy bit of machine language, FORTRAN,
> > a structured version of FORTRAN, LISP, and C.
>
> I don't know about the others, but with a C background C++ should
> be an extension, albeit a nice one. Do you find that to be the
> case? I started with C so I am unfamiliar with the others you
> mention other than by name alone.
>
> I also did a class of Assembler Programming. We are talking low
> level programming. Very low!
I learned myself assembler programming (for the 6502 microprocessor). I
had a book with lots of examples. I kept thinking "How do I get any
variables?" until I realized the registers were all I was going to get.
The 6502 had only 3 registers.
Later I did some 370 assembler (professionally). That's IBM mainframes
for the less number-inclined. At least it has 16 registers, and about 30
years of development to back it up.
I've even seen object-oriented (in a way) assembler. It's playing an
important role as we speak (if you've ever flown in an airplane in
Europe, your safety has depended on it).
> > C++ is most versatile. Next class: "An Object-
> > Oriented Programming Approach to C++".
>
> You're going to love it! I A-ced the first two courses. Now this
> third course is a bit harder. Linked lists, circular linked lists,
> nodes, heads, tails, etc.
> I am quick to grasp conceptually, implementation is a bit harder.
In programming, the devil is in the details. And the details are
important. It's important to go through them, though. It gives you a
deeper understanding of the subject than just grasping the concept.
> I am in the midst of going for my Bachelor's in Computer Science.
> I've decided to take Java as one of my electives.
Do you have any plans to use your newly acquired skills professionally?
There's lots of possibilities for people with computer skills.
--
Frans Buijsen
Factory stock racing is more brawl than ballet. It combines the best
traits of hockey and pro wrestling, but without the finesse of either.
(The Oregonian)
SuseGrl
>BrendaLee (eh...@rochester.rr.com):
>> It is a beautiful frigid crisp winter day ---- again.
>> Sure glad warmth can come from the inside out as well. :)
>
>I was holding out slight hopes that the Amsterdam canals would get
>frozen over when it started freezing this week. But it's already above
>zero again, so I guess it's out for the moment.
celsius vs farenheit. below zero here, your canals would freeze.
i kinda like farenheit. lazy
suse
BrendaLee
Frans Buijsen wrote:
>
> BrendaLee (eh...@rochester.rr.com):
> > It is a beautiful frigid crisp winter day ---- again.
> > Sure glad warmth can come from the inside out as well. :)
>
> I was holding out slight hopes that the Amsterdam canals would get
> frozen over when it started freezing this week. But it's already above
> zero again, so I guess it's out for the moment.
So tell me, Frans. Are you sad about this? What does it freezing
mean to you personally? The canal has been drained here for
months. :( I guess they are afaid of the ice expanding and
breaking any working parts by the dams. Man, I would love it if I
could ice skate on there. I don't think they would take to the
idea, though I do believe I might have as much fun as in
rollerblading.. At least it would get me over the hump before
spring.
>
> > > > Have you had other languages with which to
> > > > compare it against?
> > >
> > > BASIC, a teensy bit of machine language, FORTRAN,
> > > a structured version of FORTRAN, LISP, and C.
> >
> > I don't know about the others, but with a C background C++ should
> > be an extension, albeit a nice one. Do you find that to be the
> > case? I started with C so I am unfamiliar with the others you
> > mention other than by name alone.
> >
> > I also did a class of Assembler Programming. We are talking low
> > level programming. Very low!
>
> I learned myself assembler programming (for the 6502 microprocessor). I
> had a book with lots of examples. I kept thinking "How do I get any
> variables?" until I realized the registers were all I was going to get.
> The 6502 had only 3 registers.
>
> Later I did some 370 assembler (professionally). That's IBM mainframes
> for the less number-inclined. At least it has 16 registers, and about 30
> years of development to back it up.
> I've even seen object-oriented (in a way) assembler.
A lot of graphic areas of the more complex games out there are
done in Assembler because it is actually faster than the higher
level languages. I actually bought a gaming software package to
work with Assembler again but I took it back.. Too much on my
plate. And the eyes are forever hungry... :)
> It's playing an
> important role as we speak (if you've ever flown in an airplane in
> Europe, your safety has depended on it).
There is no doubt about it. Assember is rock bottom basic-- but it
is reliable, fast, and sturdy as all hell.
>
> > > C++ is most versatile. Next class: "An Object-
> > > Oriented Programming Approach to C++".
> >
> > You're going to love it! I A-ced the first two courses. Now this
> > third course is a bit harder. Linked lists, circular linked lists,
> > nodes, heads, tails, etc.
> > I am quick to grasp conceptually, implementation is a bit harder.
>
> In programming, the devil is in the details.
Yes. I had this programmer friend sit with me once while I was in
school. He went through a program I was stuck on. The bad thing
about programming is in the error checking. It is so vague you
seldom get a real indication or even direction as to what is
wrong. I had many errors but I knew they were not the *real* cause
of the problem. After about 45 minutes he "in dramatic effect"
tossed his pencil across the room. I had misplaced semi-colon.
And yes, we both had checked for syntax errors.
I learned the hard way that sometimes when stuck you are better
off to get up and come back to it. It is interesting in that I am
a heart person. I feel my way through life. And now to just sit
and think my way around problems is a totally different way of
solving problems.
> And the details are
> important. It's important to go through them, though. It gives you a
> deeper understanding of the subject than just grasping the concept.
You are correct.
>
> > I am in the midst of going for my Bachelor's in Computer Science.
> > I've decided to take Java as one of my electives.
>
> Do you have any plans to use your newly acquired skills professionally?
> There's lots of possibilities for people with computer skills.
>
One foot in front of the other. Right now I just want to learn as
much as I can and gain self-confidence.
You are right though.. There are a lot of openings and areas for
computer programmers.
I don't want to just be able to do it, I do want to be *good at
it*..
:)
Brenda
> --
> Frans Buijsen
> Factory stock racing is more brawl than ballet. It combines the best
> traits of hockey and pro wrestling, but without the finesse of either.
> (The Oregonian)
--
ging...@pacbell.net
>
> ging...@pacbell.net wrote:
> >
> It is a beautiful frigid crisp winter day ---- again.
> Sure glad warmth can come from the inside out as well.
> :)
It's one of northern california's ambivalent winter
days. Not cold enough to fully appreciate being
toasty warm. Too cold to be comfortable outside
in my leather jacket.
> Pointers are the hardest for me.
One thing you'd like about C++ is something similar
to a pointer, but easier to use, called a reference.
> but with a C background C++ should be an extension,
> albeit a nice one. Do you find that to be the
> case?
C++ is a whole new ballgame. You learn to think
about programming in an entirely new way.
> Linked lists, circular linked lists, nodes, heads,
> tails, etc. I am quick to grasp conceptually,
> implementation is a bit harder.
It's useful to be able to implement them. But C++
makes it easy, it has something called the Standard
Template Library. All I have to do is tell the
compiler that I want a linked list of integers, for
example. The compiler will set it up for me and will
give me access to library routines for sorting,
adding, deleting, etc.
> > Where are you heading with your computer class(es)?
>
> I am in the midst of going for my Bachelor's in
> Computer Science.
That's ambitious! My best wishes to you, too.
> As to where I am heading? Wow.. I honestly don't
> know yet, George..
How many of us really know?
> I just have to watch the tendency to become scattered.
> Jack of all trades, master of none. NTTAWWI
I know that feeling.
> thanks for asking!
de nada
BrendaLee
ging...@pacbell.net wrote:
>
> BrendaLee <eh...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > ging...@pacbell.net wrote:
> > >
> > It is a beautiful frigid crisp winter day ---- again.
> > Sure glad warmth can come from the inside out as well.
> > :)
>
> It's one of northern california's ambivalent winter
> days. Not cold enough to fully appreciate being
> toasty warm. Too cold to be comfortable outside
> in my leather jacket.
Cal. eh.. You are lucky.. It is beautiful there. I had the
pleasure of being in Palo Alto a few years back. I was driving
around in a little red convertible <the rental place didn't have
any other cars available, wasn't that just the sweetest of
punishments :) Drove over to the ocean, through the redwood
forests, along the ocean, first time in a convertible too..> It
was a lovely time.
I would have literally froze today out in my leather.
Give me spring and put a rush on it. Please.....:)
>
> > Pointers are the hardest for me.
>
> One thing you'd like about C++ is something similar
> to a pointer, but easier to use, called a reference.
I am familiar with them but the school is insistent we use
pointers.. :(
>
> > but with a C background C++ should be an extension,
> > albeit a nice one. Do you find that to be the
> > case?
>
> C++ is a whole new ballgame. You learn to think
> about programming in an entirely new way.
the object-oriented way!!!!!! ole!!!
>
> > Linked lists, circular linked lists, nodes, heads,
> > tails, etc. I am quick to grasp conceptually,
> > implementation is a bit harder.
>
> It's useful to be able to implement them.
Yes..
> But C++
> makes it easy, it has something called the Standard
> Template Library. All I have to do is tell the
> compiler that I want a linked list of integers, for
> example. The compiler will set it up for me and will
> give me access to library routines for sorting,
> adding, deleting, etc.
For sure. But we *have* to use the linked lists.. And we have to
create our own. Moving the head and making a single or even double
linked list with a head and tail into a circular linked list.
It is actually fun after you actually get your head around what
you are doing.
>
> > > Where are you heading with your computer class(es)?
> >
> > I am in the midst of going for my Bachelor's in
> > Computer Science.
>
> That's ambitious! My best wishes to you, too.
I thank you!
>
> > As to where I am heading? Wow.. I honestly don't
> > know yet, George..
>
> How many of us really know?
thanks I umm.. needed that!
>
> > I just have to watch the tendency to become scattered.
> > Jack of all trades, master of none. NTTAWWI
>
> I know that feeling.
I have so many things I love and can easily get into.
>
> > thanks for asking!
>
> de nada
merci beaucoup..
Brenda
>
> George
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/
--
Frans Buijsen
>
>
> Frans Buijsen wrote:
> >
> > BrendaLee (eh...@rochester.rr.com):
> > > It is a beautiful frigid crisp winter day ---- again.
> > > Sure glad warmth can come from the inside out as well. :)
> >
> > I was holding out slight hopes that the Amsterdam canals would get
> > frozen over when it started freezing this week. But it's already above
> > zero again, so I guess it's out for the moment.
>
> So tell me, Frans. Are you sad about this? What does it freezing
> mean to you personally?
I hate it when it freezes. I love warm weather.
But ice skating is a bit of a national passion here, and it's great fun
if the canals freeze, cause you can skate thru the city and see it from
a very unusual angle. Also the canals are full of people, with some
people selling soup and hot cacao on the ice.
It doesn't happen all that often, because it has to freeze long and hard
for water inside the city to freeze, especially under the bridges.
No Name
> "Brock Hannibal" <hami...@pacifier.com> wrote in message
> news:3A5E76FC...@pacifier.com...
> > Andrew Hare wrote:
> > >
> > > dan wrote:
> >
> > [snip of great stuff]
> >
> > have flat amazed me with this post which people should go read and
> > reread until they get it.
>
> if i could find a man like andy vintage 1950, then life would have
> fulfilled its purpose.
if you did he'd probably be shagging 30somethings.
unless he was a luzer in which case you wouldn't want him.
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
more even than death
- bertrand russell
SuseGrl
>ging...@pacbell.net wrote:
>>
>> BrendaLee <eh...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>> > It is a beautiful frigid crisp winter day ---- again.
>> > Sure glad warmth can come from the inside out as well.
>> > :)
>>
>> It's one of northern california's ambivalent winter
>> days. Not cold enough to fully appreciate being
>> toasty warm. Too cold to be comfortable outside
>> in my leather jacket.
>
>
>Cal. eh.. You are lucky.. It is beautiful there. I had the
>pleasure of being in Palo Alto a few years back. I was driving
>around in a little red convertible <the rental place didn't have
>any other cars available, wasn't that just the sweetest of
>punishments :)
it's a tough life
Drove over to the ocean, through the redwood
>forests, along the ocean, first time in a convertible too..> It
>was a lovely time.
i biked those routes a few times!
lived in the menlo park, palo alto area for two years and put hundreds of miles
on my bike. it was so wonderful.
>I would have literally froze today out in my leather.
>Give me spring and put a rush on it. Please.....:)
NO!! we must have more SNOW!!!
ya gotta learn to ski
>> > > Where are you heading with your computer class(es)?
>> >
>> > I am in the midst of going for my Bachelor's in
>> > Computer Science.
>>
>> That's ambitious! My best wishes to you, too.
>
>I thank you!
hey, mine too!
suse
BrendaLee
SuseGrl wrote:
>
> brendalee
> >ging...@pacbell.net wrote:
> >>
> >> BrendaLee <eh...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
> >> > It is a beautiful frigid crisp winter day ---- again.
> >> > Sure glad warmth can come from the inside out as well.
> >> > :)
> >>
> >> It's one of northern california's ambivalent winter
> >> days. Not cold enough to fully appreciate being
> >> toasty warm. Too cold to be comfortable outside
> >> in my leather jacket.
> >
> >
> >Cal. eh.. You are lucky.. It is beautiful there. I had the
> >pleasure of being in Palo Alto a few years back. I was driving
> >around in a little red convertible <the rental place didn't have
> >any other cars available, wasn't that just the sweetest of
> >punishments :)
>
> it's a tough life
Wanna know something, Suse. That trip was also my first time on an
airplane. Yes, I am serious. It was for a Nanotechnology
conference. I was so high from the airplane rides across the
country only to find out about the convertible mistake
(NOT!!!)when there. Add in the redwood forest (it was now two
years ago, and if I close my eyes and relax I can still smell it
and think I will be able to do so the rest of my life) and the
ocean and the top down and I was high for weeks. I came home and
bought a pin in the shape of silver wings to put on my coat. The
weather there in Palo Alto is just about what I think I would
consider perfect. I can't say I like all the people though. With
no patience to speak of the traffic alone would be a stress
producer.
When we take to air travel I shall consider it. :):)
It was funny when the stewardess found out it was my first time,
she ran and automatically brought me a drink.I don't even know if
it was a celebratory drink or a we'll get you through this
drink.. Anyway, the thought was nice, and I don't drink
whatsoever,
and anyway, there was like *NO WAY* I wanted to numb myself from
that "first".
>
> Drove over to the ocean, through the redwood
> >forests, along the ocean, first time in a convertible too..> It
> >was a lovely time.
>
> i biked those routes a few times!
I cannot even imagine biking it. Those are some pretty intense
hills.
>
> lived in the menlo park, palo alto area for two years and put hundreds of miles
> on my bike. it was so wonderful.
I would have loved to have biked over to the ocean. It was a long
haul even in a car though.
The Long and Winding Road. I get like really wild and excited on
the hairpin curves.
Second best but I am still looking forward to biking the Florida
keys.
>
> >I would have literally froze today out in my leather.
> >Give me spring and put a rush on it. Please.....:)
>
> NO!! we must have more SNOW!!!
Good grief, Suse.
And was that a snit you were just throwing???
That was not like a curse or anything now was it????
>
> ya gotta learn to ski
Yes, I think you are right about that..
>
> >> > > Where are you heading with your computer class(es)?
> >> >
> >> > I am in the midst of going for my Bachelor's in
> >> > Computer Science.
> >>
> >> That's ambitious! My best wishes to you, too.
> >
> >I thank you!
>
> hey, mine too!
thank you,
Smiles,
BrendaLee
>
> suse
Frans Buijsen
> lived in the menlo park, palo alto area for two years and put hundreds of miles
> on my bike. it was so wonderful.
And you never venture-capitalized any young promising dotcommer on the
way? Shame on you, sweet Sue, you could have been a millionaire.
> >I would have literally froze today out in my leather.
> >Give me spring and put a rush on it. Please.....:)
>
> NO!! we must have more SNOW!!!
>
> ya gotta learn to ski
That's a Zen thing to say.
BrendaLee
Frans Buijsen wrote:
>
> SuseGrl (sus...@cs.combot):
> > lived in the menlo park, palo alto area for two years and put hundreds of miles
> > on my bike. it was so wonderful.
>
> And you never venture-capitalized any young promising dotcommer on the
> way? Shame on you, sweet Sue, you could have been a millionaire.
>
> > >I would have literally froze today out in my leather.
> > >Give me spring and put a rush on it. Please.....:)
> >
> > NO!! we must have more SNOW!!!
> >
> > ya gotta learn to ski
>
> That's a Zen thing to say.
I liked it like that..
Hee,
BrendaLee
>
> --
> Frans Buijsen
> Factory stock racing is more brawl than ballet. It combines the best
> traits of hockey and pro wrestling, but without the finesse of either.
> (The Oregonian)
--
George Davenport
> BrendaLee (eh...@rochester.rr.com):
> > Frans Buijsen wrote:
> > > I was holding out slight hopes that the Amsterdam canals
> > > would get frozen over when it started freezing this week.
> > > But it's already above zero again, so I guess it's out for the
> > > moment.
> >
> > So tell me, Frans. Are you sad about this? What does it freezing
> > mean to you personally?
>
> I hate it when it freezes. I love warm weather.
> But ice skating is a bit of a national passion here, and it's great fun
> if the canals freeze, cause you can skate thru the city and see it from
> a very unusual angle. Also the canals are full of people, with some
> people selling soup and hot cacao on the ice.
I like that image.
George
ging...@pacbell.net
>
> ging...@pacbell.net wrote:
> > It's one of northern california's ambivalent winter
> > days. Not cold enough to fully appreciate being
> > toasty warm. Too cold to be comfortable outside
> > in my leather jacket.
>
> Cal. eh.. You are lucky.. It is beautiful there.
Yes indeed. But what is springtime like in your area?
> I had the pleasure of being in Palo Alto a few years
> back. I was driving around in a little red convertible
> <the rental place didn't have any other cars available,
Just this weekend a friend of mine got a rental upgraded
from a mini to an SUV for this very reason!
> wasn't that just the sweetest of punishments :) Drove
> over to the ocean, through the redwood forests, along
> the ocean, first time in a convertible too..> It was
> a lovely time.
Do you travel much?
I'm planning an LA trip in the next month or so. Airfare
is cheep, car rental is cheep, I figure why not fly for
a change instead of driving.
> I would have literally froze today out in my leather.
> Give me spring and put a rush on it. Please.....:)
I spent Christmas 1998 back in Maryland. I loved going
outside at night, temp in the 20s, crisp air, moon out,
snow on the ground.
BrendaLee
Frans Buijsen wrote:
>
> BrendaLee (eh...@rochester.rr.com):
> >
> >
> > Frans Buijsen wrote:
> > >
> > > BrendaLee (eh...@rochester.rr.com):
> > > > It is a beautiful frigid crisp winter day ---- again.
> > > > Sure glad warmth can come from the inside out as well. :)
> > >
> > > I was holding out slight hopes that the Amsterdam canals would get
> > > frozen over when it started freezing this week. But it's already above
> > > zero again, so I guess it's out for the moment.
> >
> > So tell me, Frans. Are you sad about this? What does it freezing
> > mean to you personally?
>
> I hate it when it freezes. I love warm weather.
Ah a man after my own heart. :) I will do winter only because I
have to, but my love is the spring and summer. Would be fall too
because it is pretty but unfortunately those falling leaves
signify the season I like the least. Give me sun and warmth in the
air. Any day!
> But ice skating is a bit of a national passion here, and it's great fun
Yes, it sure is. As a child we did the lake and made our own
rinks. Now, I can go to an inside rink but it lacks something.
Nature I think. :)
> if the canals freeze, cause you can skate thru the city and see it from
> a very unusual angle. Also the canals are full of people, with some
> people selling soup and hot cacao on the ice.
See that is what they should have all around here. We have all the
snow, there is no reason. Right at the mall here there are about 7
man-made ponds. They are frozen over. It would be perfect. Except
it isn't allowed! :(
>
> It doesn't happen all that often, because it has to freeze long and hard
> for water inside the city to freeze, especially under the bridges.
Shame. Sounds like a lot of fun.
:)
BrendaLee
>
> --
> Frans Buijsen
> Factory stock racing is more brawl than ballet. It combines the best
> traits of hockey and pro wrestling, but without the finesse of either.
> (The Oregonian)
--
BrendaLee
ging...@pacbell.net wrote:
>
> BrendaLee <eh...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > ging...@pacbell.net wrote:
> > > It's one of northern california's ambivalent winter
> > > days. Not cold enough to fully appreciate being
> > > toasty warm. Too cold to be comfortable outside
> > > in my leather jacket.
> >
> > Cal. eh.. You are lucky.. It is beautiful there.
>
> Yes indeed. But what is springtime like in your area?
Well, springtime here can be great.. My favorite time is the few
weeks during which all the buds on the trees and shrubs are just
filling out and I wait for them to burst open. <Like a kid>. Ah,
then the buds pop and the leaves are back. Everything smells
fresh and clean. The air is clear and there is a lot more blue
sky. Being by so many lakes we get more than our fair share of
grey skies. The clouds go from the stratus kind that just cover
the entire sky to the cottony cummulous ones, and then you can
always lay in the grass and do some cloud bustin'... :) I love
smelling freshly cut lawn which is why I do it. And I use a walk
mower both for exercise and so I can be with the grass. Using a
rider you are somewhat removed from the experience. Everything is
so green. I open all the windows and get a cross breeze in the
house.
I love blading when it is at least 60 degrees. Depending, there
can be a lot of them 60 degree sunny days, or it can rain a lot..
I can do 55 but 60 and above gives me the best, most comfortable
ride. Spring and summer here are the best, IMO. Fall is gorgeous..
if you get into colorful falling leaves. If it doesn't rain a lot
a spring here can morph right into feeling like summer so as to
give you the impression you are getting more days in summer. I
like that!
>
> > I had the pleasure of being in Palo Alto a few years
> > back. I was driving around in a little red convertible
> > <the rental place didn't have any other cars available,
>
> Just this weekend a friend of mine got a rental upgraded
> from a mini to an SUV for this very reason!
Is that not the most pleasant of 'inconveniences'? You should
have seen my face.
"What.. you don't have any of the little cars left, they are all
gone you say? And all you have left is a brand new red Chrysler
Sebring convertible? Well okay if I absolutely have to." Ha! Too
too funny..
Please, this was a pleasure not a pain..
>
> > wasn't that just the sweetest of punishments :) Drove
> > over to the ocean, through the redwood forests, along
> > the ocean, first time in a convertible too..> It was
> > a lovely time.
>
> Do you travel much?
When I went to Palo Alto it was my first time in a plane. Well 4
actually with layovers and all.
I got a big kick out of the clouds from up there. Angelic comes to
mind.
So I guess that would be a no. I did travel by car across the
country 5 years ago. Took a month. It was a lot of fun. Seen a lot
but also missed seeing so many other things. Stopped as other
people were pulling off the road and went bounding through a field
and ended up standing about 4 ft from a moose. Giant, but gentle
beasts. Went through Colorado and saw Pikes Peak in Colorado
Springs. Saw the Grand Canyon and Yellowstone, and Las Vegas. Had
to see Microsoft. And then rode down Route One winding all the way
down to San Diego and then coming back through Texas, etc..
I also get down to Florida whenever I can. I am drawn to the
warmth but not the humidity.
>
> I'm planning an LA trip in the next month or so. Airfare
> is cheep, car rental is cheep, I figure why not fly for
> a change instead of driving.
Sounds like fun.. Pleasure, or business trip?
I really like traveling by car.
And I would like to go to Hawaii sometime.
>
> > I would have literally froze today out in my leather.
> > Give me spring and put a rush on it. Please.....:)
>
> I spent Christmas 1998 back in Maryland. I loved going
> outside at night, temp in the 20s, crisp air, moon out,
> snow on the ground.
Yes, I will admit that it has its appeal And it is fun to be in a
snowstorm. If it was just shorter it would be fine. The day after
Martin Luther King day I was out doing errands and it was funny.
Every so often there was a snowman. All different sizes, and
wearing different articles of clothing.
Thank you for asking
BrendaLee
ps. Enjoy your trip George.
>
> George
>
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John Fereira
>The Long and Winding Road. I get like really wild and excited on
>the hairpin curves.
If you'd have driven on highway 1 just north of Jenner getting wild and
excited would not be recommended on those hairpin turns. There's
about a 1000' drop straight down to the ocean if you make a mistake.
>
>Second best but I am still looking forward to biking the Florida
>keys.
I've never been to the Florida keys but I'm going there in three weeks. I'm
meeting up with a bunch of people from a kayaking mailing list I'm on to
go sea kayaking. It should be fun.
John Fereira
Ithaca, NY
ja...@cornell.edu
BrendaLee
John Fereira wrote:
>
> In article <3A6B6D54...@rochester.rr.com>, BrendaLee <eh...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
> >
>
> >The Long and Winding Road. I get like really wild and excited on
> >the hairpin curves.
>
> If you'd have driven on highway 1 just north of Jenner getting wild and
> excited would not be recommended on those hairpin turns. There's
> about a 1000' drop straight down to the ocean if you make a mistake.
I know I know. I got it on videotape. :)
I somehow managed to contain my excitement near the dropoffs. :)
While a mermaid I am, that is not exactly my idea of taking a dip.
>
> >
> >Second best but I am still looking forward to biking the Florida
> >keys.
>
> I've never been to the Florida keys but I'm going there in three weeks. I'm
> meeting up with a bunch of people from a kayaking mailing list I'm on to
> go sea kayaking. It should be fun.
It seemed really nice the times I have driven through. I think it
is totally a different experience on a bike though. You are much
more a part of things. On the right side about halfway through it
there is a bird zoo or sanctuary. It was fun walking amongst birds
that are never in our area. The bills, feet, markings and plumage
is so colorful and alien to the birds we are used to seeing. I
mean they put our common little sparrows... well to shame. smile..
Have a nice trip!
BrendaLee
>
> John Fereira
> Ithaca, NY
> ja...@cornell.edu
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Coralie Naumann
"No Name" <mixm...@helferlein.net> wrote in message
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> coralie wrote:
> > "Brock Hannibal" <hami...@pacifier.com> wrote in message
> > news:3A5E76FC...@pacifier.com...
> > > Andrew Hare wrote:
> > > >
> > > > dan wrote:
> > >
> > > [snip of great stuff]
> > >
> > > Andy, you are an incredibly perceptive person for one so young and
> > > have flat amazed me with this post which people should go read and
> > > reread until they get it.
> >
> > if i could find a man like andy vintage 1950, then life would have
> > fulfilled its purpose.
>
> if you did he'd probably be shagging 30somethings.
> unless he was a luzer in which case you wouldn't want him.
> jackie 'anakin' tokeman
If he was like Andy i sincerely doubt that he would be
interested in chasing anything just for sex, if he did
then he would be a "luzer" and i most certainly would
not want him.
just last night i was propositioned by 2 different men,
both attractive and both in their 30s. Both of them i
i knew and respected, one of the men i also desired.
Can you imagine why i did not go with either man?
--
Coralie
cnau...@goul-burn.net.au
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