Jack Tokeman
Sean Hughes
you have in the form of Mr. Tokeman.
He is _clearly_ a moron, with no other way of expressing his pointless,
dumbass views apart from online.
A million monkeys tapping at computers wouldn't produce the dross which
spurts from his overfed gullet.
Sean - doesn't like morons, especially pretentious ones!
Charlotte L. Blackmer
Sean Hughes <yoss...@catch22.fslife.co.uk> wrote:
>Having signed up (briefly) to soc.singles it amused me to note what a waster
>you have in the form of Mr. Tokeman.
Which one? The original or the forgery version?
The forgery is a bot, by the way. Although it's tough to tell some times
;-)
>He is _clearly_ a moron, with no other way of expressing his pointless,
>dumbass views apart from online.
>
>A million monkeys tapping at computers wouldn't produce the dross which
>spurts from his overfed gullet.
If you're talking about the forged version, this is a lot funnier to
regular readers than you even probably intended ;-)
TAFKACLB
Lady Veteran
Nice observation :-)
Bobbi
I don't have the time every day to put on makeup.
I need that time to clean my rifle.
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leading horticulturalist
"Sean Hughes" <yoss...@catch22.fslife.co.uk> wrote in message
news:9k1pr3$8lo$1...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk...
out of the two messages posted by this persona so far, one of them asks for
help in editing a game so that basingstoke town, a useless association
football team from a soulless milton keynes style town on the m3 corridor in
england can win all its matches and the other saying what a waster jack
tokeman is for going online to challenge people's perceptions.
i think it's fairly clear who the moron is here. basingstoke must be
shattered glasshouse country.
lh.
Aaron R. Kulkis
>
> Having signed up (briefly) to soc.singles it amused me to note what a waster
> you have in the form of Mr. Tokeman.
>
No...the oxygen thieves are the fatties
(not to mention being food thieves as well).
> He is _clearly_ a moron, with no other way of expressing his pointless,
> dumbass views apart from online.
>
> A million monkeys tapping at computers wouldn't produce the dross which
> spurts from his overfed gullet.
>
> Sean - doesn't like morons, especially pretentious ones!
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. (Updated 20 July 2001)
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ab...@msn.com ab...@sprint.com ab...@earthlink.com u...@ftc.gov
spa...@spamcop.net
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
S.T. Pickrell
> out of the two messages posted by this persona so far, one of them
> asks for help in editing a game so that basingstoke town, a useless
> association football team from a soulless milton keynes style town on
milton keynes ... is that what we call here a planned community?
> the m3 corridor in england can win all its matches and the other
> saying what a waster jack tokeman is for going online to challenge
> people's perceptions.
so you've visited alt.games.champ-man, where people are flamed
to a crisp for top-posting?
> i think it's fairly clear who the moron is here. basingstoke must be
> shattered glasshouse country.
heh.
shawn
Aaron R. Kulkis
>
> leading horticulturalist wrote:
> > out of the two messages posted by this persona so far, one of them
> > asks for help in editing a game so that basingstoke town, a useless
> > association football team from a soulless milton keynes style town on
>
> milton keynes ... is that what we call here a planned community?
>
> > the m3 corridor in england can win all its matches and the other
> > saying what a waster jack tokeman is for going online to challenge
> > people's perceptions.
>
> so you've visited alt.games.champ-man, where people are flamed
> to a crisp for top-posting?
habitual top-posters should be executed.
on the spot.
No exceptions.
>
> > i think it's fairly clear who the moron is here. basingstoke must be
> > shattered glasshouse country.
>
> heh.
>
> shawn
leading horticulturalist
"S.T. Pickrell" <spic...@zzapp.org> wrote in message
news:3B65C49C...@zzapp.org...
> leading horticulturalist wrote:
> > out of the two messages posted by this persona so far, one of them
> > asks for help in editing a game so that basingstoke town, a useless
> > association football team from a soulless milton keynes style town on
>
> milton keynes ... is that what we call here a planned community?
probably
>
> > the m3 corridor in england can win all its matches and the other
> > saying what a waster jack tokeman is for going online to challenge
> > people's perceptions.
>
> so you've visited alt.games.champ-man, where people are flamed
> to a crisp for top-posting?
no i just googled him.
>
> > i think it's fairly clear who the moron is here. basingstoke must be
> > shattered glasshouse country.
>
> heh.
anyway, he hasn't come back to defend his opinions.
typical basingstoke.
lh.
jack tokeman
> "Sean Hughes" <yoss...@catch22.fslife.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:9k1pr3$8lo$1...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk...
> waster
> > you have in the form of Mr. Tokeman.
> >
> > dumbass views apart from online.
> >
> > A million monkeys tapping at computers wouldn't produce the dross which
> > spurts from his overfed gullet.
> >
> > Sean - doesn't like morons, especially pretentious ones!
>
> help in editing a game so that basingstoke town, a useless association
> england can win all its matches and the other saying what a waster jack
> tokeman is for going online to challenge people's perceptions.
>
> shattered glasshouse country.
people will say we're in love...
jackie 'hannibal' tokeman
is leading horticulturalist any relation to chaunce gardener?
fat kid: i've got some fudge hidden up my ass - you want some?
chaney: yeah right - i'm not falling for that one again.
Sean Hughes
for help in editing a game so that basingstoke town, a useless association
football team from a soulless milton keynes style town on the m3 corridor in
england can win all its matches and the other saying what a waster jack
tokeman is for going online to challenge people's perceptions.
>
> i think it's fairly clear who the moron is here. basingstoke must be
shattered glasshouse country.
>
> lh.
If you want to argue about the merits of my attack, ok. I play on
championship manager because it is nice and mindless, a change from studying
economics 24/7. Not being able to use one of the facilities on the game
(software error!!!!) was frustrating. You're reasoning behind me being a
moron was so scant that it was non-existant.
As to the attack on Basingstoke, feel free. It is a concrete hole, of no use
to humanity at all. I do find the fact that you attack people based on where
they live amusing, but that is one of your own deficiencies! The use of the
'glass house' metaphor was inspired. No, no, it was lyrical genius that you
could construct it.
Jake Tokeman however stated in one of his numerous (and offensively dull)
posts:
you used your daughters wet little cunt
in addition to sucking up to commie vermin
I _do_ apologise, but isn't the McCarthite period over in America yet?
Havn't you all learnt to tolerate those who have different opinions from
you? Even, god forbid, those lefties???? Anyone who is as narrow-minded as
to openly state such pathetic and unqualified observations should just be
quiet and let the adults talk.
As for the 'daughters wet little cunt' line...The language doesn't bother
me (unlike America we arn't totalitarian about swearing here) but the
sentiment does. Why cant he form an argument which doesnt involve people
cumming on faces, or fucking, or wet pussies? Is it _entirely_ necessary.
Sean
Sean Hughes
> cumming on faces, or fucking, or wet pussies? Is it _entirely_ necessary.
PS if there are two Jack Tokeman's I apologise to the one who isn't a moron.
S.T. Pickrell
sean stick around. you'll learn that, if you're truly of good will,
that no one here including yours truly has an entirely clean plate.
as for cm, i find lower league managing to be easier. you can get
lots of premiership castoffs on frees to get you to the top level
but once there it's a bit more difficult.
shawn
S.T. Pickrell
what if they are both morons?
shawn
Lady Veteran
Ther is only one and he is a moron.
leading horticulturalist
> > out of the two messages posted by this persona so far, one of them asks
> for help in editing a game so that basingstoke town, a useless association
> football team from a soulless milton keynes style town on the m3 corridor
in
> england can win all its matches and the other saying what a waster jack
> tokeman is for going online to challenge people's perceptions.
> >
> > i think it's fairly clear who the moron is here. basingstoke must be
> shattered glasshouse country.
> >
> > lh.
>
> If you want to argue about the merits of my attack, ok. I play on
> championship manager because it is nice and mindless, a change from
studying
> economics 24/7.
i find it hard to believe you're proper economics student in the light of
what you say below.
> Not being able to use one of the facilities on the game
> (software error!!!!) was frustrating. You're reasoning behind me being a
> moron was so scant that it was non-existant.
>
i don't need to marshall a lot of arguments against somebody who says he's a
student and constructs a sentence like the last one you wrote.
just be sure not to make those three errors in one sentence in your exams,
okay?
because here it doesn't matter so much, except to classify you.
> As to the attack on Basingstoke, feel free. It is a concrete hole, of no
use
> to humanity at all. I do find the fact that you attack people based on
where
> they live amusing, but that is one of your own deficiencies!
not at all, all the human wisdom enshrined in proverbs shows that a person
is judged by the company they keep.
> The use of the
> 'glass house' metaphor was inspired. No, no, it was lyrical genius that
you
> could construct it.
it was one of my less inspired coinages.
>
> Jake Tokeman however stated in one of his numerous (and offensively dull)
> posts:
>
> you used your daughters wet little cunt
if it was the real one, i expect he used an apostrophe.
>
> in addition to sucking up to commie vermin
>
> I _do_ apologise, but isn't the McCarthite period over in America yet?
> Havn't you all learnt to tolerate those who have different opinions from
> you? Even, god forbid, those lefties???? Anyone who is as narrow-minded as
> to openly state such pathetic and unqualified observations should just be
> quiet and let the adults talk.
it was over-tolerance of those who have unworkable and extreme political
opinions that resulted in so many gulags and concentration camps last
century. but you are too junior to understand these things.
>
> As for the 'daughters wet little cunt' line...The language doesn't bother
> me (unlike America we arn't totalitarian about swearing here) but the
> sentiment does. Why cant he form an argument which doesnt involve people
> cumming on faces, or fucking, or wet pussies? Is it _entirely_ necessary.
>
when you wank into your hand, don't you sometimes find it more convenient to
eat it rather than get off the couch and go to the bathroom?
> Sean
>
lh.
Sean Hughes
> i find it hard to believe you're proper economics student in the light of
> what you say below.
I don't re-read my emails/posts for typing errors or grammatical mistakes.
If you wish to get picky then fine. (By the way there should be an 'a'
between 'you're' and 'proper' - so fuck you!)
> i don't need to marshall a lot of arguments against somebody who says he's
a
> student and constructs a sentence like the last one you wrote.
Sorry, perhaps it is just me, but do you not believe in using capital
letters at the beginning of sentences?
> just be sure not to make those three errors in one sentence in your exams,
> okay?
>
> because here it doesn't matter so much, except to classify you.
Oh, how quaint, classifying me by the use of my english...How
very...enlightened of you!
> > As to the attack on Basingstoke, feel free. It is a concrete hole, of no
> use
> > to humanity at all. I do find the fact that you attack people based on
> where
> > they live amusing, but that is one of your own deficiencies!
>
> not at all, all the human wisdom enshrined in proverbs shows that a person
> is judged by the company they keep.
Wisdom enshrined in proverbs.... Like 'lightning never strikes twice?' Only
an idiot would turn to proverbs for useful advice on how to live/behave!
> > I _do_ apologise, but isn't the McCarthite period over in America yet?
> > Havn't you all learnt to tolerate those who have different opinions from
> > you? Even, god forbid, those lefties???? Anyone who is as narrow-minded
as
> > to openly state such pathetic and unqualified observations should just
be
> > quiet and let the adults talk.
>
> it was over-tolerance of those who have unworkable and extreme political
> opinions that resulted in so many gulags and concentration camps last
> century. but you are too junior to understand these things.
You don't appear to be able to look at things objectievly. I am not a
communist. I am right wing (according to politicalcompass.org). However I do
not have bigoted views about those whose opinions differ from mine. Also, I
think you'll find you mean 'opinions _which_ resulted' The use of 'that' is
a horrible americanism which shows how little you _truly_ understand about
grammar!
I would also like to point out that it was the imperial British (a model
which the Americans strive to achieve) who created the first concentration
camps. I also forget which nation it was who locked up all of their Japanese
immigrants at the outset of World War II... Or the nation which committed
genocide against its native habitants and now choose to hide the fact by
housing the few remaining decendants in mobile home parks and small
reservations. Reservations which are being accessed legally by oil companies
now after the new president was bought off with their money in the election
campaign!
> when you wank into your hand, don't you sometimes find it more convenient
to
> eat it rather than get off the couch and go to the bathroom?
How amusing. I have no argument with this as it at least raised a smile! ;)
I have no interest in lowering to this.
Sean
leading horticulturalist
>
>
> > i find it hard to believe you're proper economics student in the light
of
> > what you say below.
>
> I don't re-read my emails/posts for typing errors or grammatical mistakes.
> If you wish to get picky then fine. (By the way there should be an 'a'
> between 'you're' and 'proper' - so fuck you!)
>
> > i don't need to marshall a lot of arguments against somebody who says
he's
> a
> > student and constructs a sentence like the last one you wrote.
>
> Sorry, perhaps it is just me, but do you not believe in using capital
> letters at the beginning of sentences?
matey, you're the one who came on here saying it was okay not to be a
capitalist.
>
> > just be sure not to make those three errors in one sentence in your
exams,
> > okay?
> >
> > because here it doesn't matter so much, except to classify you.
>
> Oh, how quaint, classifying me by the use of my english...How
> very...enlightened of you!
i won't be the one to do it. i'm not an economics examiner at the thames
valley poliversity.
>
> > > As to the attack on Basingstoke, feel free. It is a concrete hole, of
no
> > use
> > > to humanity at all. I do find the fact that you attack people based on
> > where
> > > they live amusing, but that is one of your own deficiencies!
> >
> > not at all, all the human wisdom enshrined in proverbs shows that a
person
> > is judged by the company they keep.
>
> Wisdom enshrined in proverbs.... Like 'lightning never strikes twice?'
Only
> an idiot would turn to proverbs for useful advice on how to live/behave!
find your own wisdom then and see how far you get.
>
> > > I _do_ apologise, but isn't the McCarthite period over in America yet?
> > > Havn't you all learnt to tolerate those who have different opinions
from
> > > you? Even, god forbid, those lefties???? Anyone who is as
narrow-minded
> as
> > > to openly state such pathetic and unqualified observations should just
> be
> > > quiet and let the adults talk.
> >
> > it was over-tolerance of those who have unworkable and extreme political
> > opinions that resulted in so many gulags and concentration camps last
> > century. but you are too junior to understand these things.
>
> You don't appear to be able to look at things objectievly. I am not a
> communist. I am right wing (according to politicalcompass.org). However I
do
> not have bigoted views about those whose opinions differ from mine. Also,
I
> think you'll find you mean 'opinions _which_ resulted' The use of 'that'
is
> a horrible americanism which shows how little you _truly_ understand about
> grammar!
oh dear, you are a beginner at grammar. the 'that' refers to the tolerating,
not the opinions. had i wished to relate the relative clause in that
sentence to 'opinions', i would indeed have used 'which', but 'which' is not
appropriate to what i was actually saying.
how do you manage to read those textbooks? or do you just crib off another
student's lecture notes?
>
> I would also like to point out that it was the imperial British (a model
> which the Americans strive to achieve) who created the first concentration
> camps.
maybe the name was used first by us in south africa, but those were borstal
conditions, not auschwitz and belsen.
> I also forget which nation it was who locked up all of their Japanese
> immigrants at the outset of World War II...
nope, that was half way through. the us were not at war with japan until
half way through the second world war.
and the us and uk have always treated pows as equals, not like animals.
compare their pow treatment to the treatment of our side in their camps.
> Or the nation which committed
> genocide against its native habitants and now choose to hide the fact by
> housing the few remaining decendants in mobile home parks and small
> reservations. Reservations which are being accessed legally by oil
companies
> now after the new president was bought off with their money in the
election
> campaign!
wales doesn't have a president.
>
> > when you wank into your hand, don't you sometimes find it more
convenient
> to
> > eat it rather than get off the couch and go to the bathroom?
>
> How amusing. I have no argument with this as it at least raised a smile!
;)
> I have no interest in lowering to this.
if you're an economics student, what do you think of the article about the
employment market on the front page of todays ft?
lh.
S.T. Pickrell
>
> "Sean Hughes" <yoss...@catch22.fslife.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:9ka2p9$ja8$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > capital letters at the beginning of sentences?
>
> matey, you're the one who came on here saying it was okay not to be a
> capitalist.
death to the capital snobs
> > Oh, how quaint, classifying me by the use of my english...How
> > very...enlightened of you!
>
> i won't be the one to do it. i'm not an economics examiner at the
> thames valley poliversity.
aren't the polytechnics the lower end of the university system
in britain? (no offence to those who graduated from polys)
> > Wisdom enshrined in proverbs.... Like 'lightning never strikes
> > twice?' Only an idiot would turn to proverbs for useful advice on
> > how to live/behave!
> find your own wisdom then and see how far you get.
the lunacy of today is the philosophy of tomorrow.
or something
> > I would also like to point out that it was the imperial British (a
> > model which the Americans strive to achieve) who created the first
> > concentration camps.
>
> maybe the name was used first by us in south africa, but those were
> borstal conditions, not auschwitz and belsen.
he sounds to me like one of those psuedo-intellectuals who think
they are being deep by slagging off their own country needlessly.
> > I also forget which nation it was who locked up all of their
> > Japanese immigrants at the outset of World War II...
>
> nope, that was half way through. the us were not at war with japan
> until half way through the second world war.
correct.
> and the us and uk have always treated pows as equals, not like
> animals. compare their pow treatment to the treatment of our side in
> their camps.
> > Or the nation which committed genocide against its native habitants
> > and now choose to hide the fact by housing the few remaining
> > decendants in mobile home parks and small reservations.
i didn't know he was talking about australia and new zealand.
c also the forced resettlement of the inuit in the 1960s in canada.
> > Reservations which are being accessed legally by oil companies
say what you will about the anwr drilling. i am against it because
i believe we should be reliant on sources of energy that are not
liable to drying up in 40-50 years and are not largely controlled
by interests that are by and large hostile to the usa. anwr drilling
merely means more of the same.
however, it is far from environmentally hostile. did you know the #
of caribou at prudhoe bay has increased since the drilling began
there?
if every rig they wanted to put up in the anwr went belly up the
total environmental damage would be 1% or so.
> > now after the new president was bought off with their money in the
> > election campaign!
>
> wales doesn't have a president.
all politicians are bought. it's only when they are bought by
the interests we disagree with that we have a problem. the good
thing is that special interests will give $$$ to politicians who
support them already.
> if you're an economics student, what do you think of the article about
> the employment market on the front page of todays ft?
what was it about?
shawn
not an economics student
leading horticulturalist
> leading horticulturalist wrote:
> >
> > "Sean Hughes" <yoss...@catch22.fslife.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:9ka2p9$ja8$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > > Sorry, perhaps it is just me, but do you not believe in using
> > > capital letters at the beginning of sentences?
> >
> > matey, you're the one who came on here saying it was okay not to be a
> > capitalist.
>
> death to the capital snobs
small letters rock.
>
> > > Oh, how quaint, classifying me by the use of my english...How
> > > very...enlightened of you!
> >
> > i won't be the one to do it. i'm not an economics examiner at the
> > thames valley poliversity.
>
> aren't the polytechnics the lower end of the university system
> in britain? (no offence to those who graduated from polys)
they used to be.
but used to bees don't count anymore,
they just stay on the floor
till you sweep them away.
now, they call the politechnics universities too.
everyone knows there is a difference, but the pewling liberal educational
theorists have ruled it politically incorrect to talk about it in a loud
voice.
once people who had got places in oxbridge were put on a par with people who
got places at crappy old technical colleges, the next stage was to rob both
of proper government funding, so that the blair and blunkett's blitherer's
junta could keep more of taxpayers' money to themselves, instead of giving
back value to the nation with it.
i wonder where our blunkett victim has got to? interesting to hear his views
on this issue.
>
> > > Wisdom enshrined in proverbs.... Like 'lightning never strikes
> > > twice?' Only an idiot would turn to proverbs for useful advice on
> > > how to live/behave!
>
> > find your own wisdom then and see how far you get.
>
> the lunacy of today is the philosophy of tomorrow.
>
> or something
in the cuntary of the blind education minister, the jap's eye is king.
as hg wells might have put it, if he were around today.
>
> > > I would also like to point out that it was the imperial British (a
> > > model which the Americans strive to achieve) who created the first
> > > concentration camps.
> >
> > maybe the name was used first by us in south africa, but those were
> > borstal conditions, not auschwitz and belsen.
>
> he sounds to me like one of those psuedo-intellectuals who think
> they are being deep by slagging off their own country needlessly.
the english language and culture, carried through the diaspora of
anglo-saxons through the world, and giving life to so many of the most
advanced and civilised nations, has been a blessing to the entirety of
mankind.
>
> > > I also forget which nation it was who locked up all of their
> > > Japanese immigrants at the outset of World War II...
> >
> > nope, that was half way through. the us were not at war with japan
> > until half way through the second world war.
>
> correct.
russia too, i hasten to add.
the headline said 'job losses cast gloom as economy fears grow', and it went
on to say that a survey done by manufacturing industries showed that there
was less demand, more business failure and more redundancy in the uk,
mirroring trends in euronia and the us. the last quote was from celebrated
high ranking moron wim duizenburg, head of the european bank, trying
desperately to talk the situation up.
anyone with any sense knows we are falling into a recession of catastrophic
proportions, but no-one dares admit it.
lh.
Sean Hughes
anyone.
I don't think it's kitch to slag off your own country, I was making a point
that we can sometimes be just as bad as other nations. The abuse of a
capitalist regime is just as vicious as the abuse of a communist regime. In
_theory_ capitalism should be great. Everyone is equal. However is reality
some people _have_ to be in control (this is natural hierarchical
structure). The people in control want/need more recognition than the other
people. This inherently creates a two-tier system, a 'four legs good, two
legs better' mentality.
I _hate_ those anti-capitalist marches. The people who go on them all wear
cool clothes like Fila, or Reebok (and they dont sense any kind of irony).
They organise themselves on mobile phones (supporting the huge
telecommunications industry) or the internet (Microsoft). They constantly
call themselves anarchists (meaning chaotic and un-organised) yet you can
find many web pages dedicated to 'organising anarchism'.
Polytechnics are a lower form of university in the main. Some are very good,
like the University of the West of England, Bristol, which consistantly
beats many 'proper' universities. You do get uni's like Portsmouth, which is
a pile of shit.
Havn't read the FT for a while, so as much as I would like to be able to
comment on the article I can't. In reference to the 'impending recession' I
think that you are being a bit pessimistic. I would expect GDP growth to be
slower over the next quater but I think that the economic managment by Eddie
George et al will steer us clear of a major recession.
What does frighten me is if Wim Duisenberg(sp?) the head of the European
Central Bank gets control of our economy. In October of last year the
interest rates were set at 5.25% (ish, I cant remember the exact figure, but
all I need to do is demonstrate the principle). In May of this year the
interest rates were exactly the same. The economic conditions over 7 months
had changed completely, yet no alteration to the rate was made during that
ENTIRE time. Analysts in all the broadsheets were amazed by Dim Wim's
decisions. All the major economies of the world are drastically trying to
avoid a recession originating from America, yet Europe is trying the ostrich
method of dealing with the problem.
As for David Blunkett... He is a cretin of the highest order. The media
contantly refer to him as one of the 'brightest stars' of the cabinet. Yet
what has he achieved? Class sizes are bigger. So 'pledge number one' right
out the window! He introduced those inane 'AS' levels, which further
degraded the perception of Britains education system.
The original plan was to bring Britain in line with Europe (we teach A level
students for 15 hours, they teach for 25 hourse). There were also voices who
said that we should encourage a wider range of choices. Thus the AS scheme
was envisaged. 1st year take 5 AS levels, drop two, and then end up with 3 A
levels at the end. The 5 AS levels increases the teaching _substantially_.
(1 AS = half an A level in teacing time). This effectively meant an increase
of one quater for teachers to have to cope with. Was there a shaeme to
recruit 25% more teachers for A levels? Nope. This can _only_ mean that
teaching standards are comprimised.
The shit thing is that for this summer I am checking the exam papers for the
exam board. Many of the GCSE students are not literate (many have had thier
own name writted again by the examiner because it is illegible), and an even
higher percentage are not numerate. What is the point in teaching a child
the average rainfall in the Amazon basin, when they dont possess basic
living skills. If you have children who can learn all 9 subjects, fine,
teach them, but what is the obsession with forcing children to learn
everything. You end up with someone who knows a little of everything, but is
a master of nothing.
The university system is _hopefully_ above the Govt. meddling too much, but
even at degree you get situations at uni's like Staffordshire (reformed poly
methinks) where for a 'sports' degree, you can take a module in David
Beckham!
Sorry for the length of this.
Sean
leading horticulturalist
> The reply was getting too long, so I cut it, sorry if thats an arse for
> anyone.
you'll be appreciated by everyone who keeps on old technology.
> I don't think it's kitch to slag off your own country, I was making a
point
> that we can sometimes be just as bad as other nations. The abuse of a
> capitalist regime is just as vicious as the abuse of a communist regime.
In
> _theory_ capitalism should be great. Everyone is equal. However is reality
> some people _have_ to be in control (this is natural hierarchical
> structure). The people in control want/need more recognition than the
other
> people. This inherently creates a two-tier system, a 'four legs good, two
> legs better' mentality.
i don't think that you can compare the record of england, even with boys
like cecil rhodes and clive of india, with either the endloesung or the
gulag system. we are not 'just as bad' as other nations, thankfully. maybe
we could have been, maybe there's those of us who have it in them to be a
hitler or a stalin, but somehow thankfully that's not on our record, why
talk as if it is?
>
> I _hate_ those anti-capitalist marches. The people who go on them all wear
> cool clothes like Fila, or Reebok (and they dont sense any kind of irony).
> They organise themselves on mobile phones (supporting the huge
> telecommunications industry) or the internet (Microsoft). They constantly
> call themselves anarchists (meaning chaotic and un-organised) yet you can
> find many web pages dedicated to 'organising anarchism'.
>
there's more of the acceptable face of anarchy in true capitalism, where the
government intervene as little as possible, than in the sort of world these
wombles want to produce.
> Polytechnics are a lower form of university in the main. Some are very
good,
> like the University of the West of England, Bristol, which consistantly
> beats many 'proper' universities. You do get uni's like Portsmouth, which
is
> a pile of shit.
so how's the thames valley university, then, in your view?
>
> Havn't read the FT for a while, so as much as I would like to be able to
> comment on the article I can't. In reference to the 'impending recession'
I
> think that you are being a bit pessimistic. I would expect GDP growth to
be
> slower over the next quater but I think that the economic managment by
Eddie
> George et al will steer us clear of a major recession.
but if it doesn't, at least we can rest assured that it won't be new
labour's fault, since they handed over responsibility to the governor of the
bank of england virtually the minute they took power.
>
> What does frighten me is if Wim Duisenberg(sp?) the head of the European
> Central Bank gets control of our economy. In October of last year the
> interest rates were set at 5.25% (ish, I cant remember the exact figure,
but
> all I need to do is demonstrate the principle). In May of this year the
> interest rates were exactly the same. The economic conditions over 7
months
> had changed completely, yet no alteration to the rate was made during that
> ENTIRE time. Analysts in all the broadsheets were amazed by Dim Wim's
> decisions. All the major economies of the world are drastically trying to
> avoid a recession originating from America, yet Europe is trying the
ostrich
> method of dealing with the problem.
>
wim has already a massive track record of saying and doing stupid things.
the only reason he hasn't been replaced yonks ago, (other than possible top
rank bilderberg group connexions, but that's just a theory) is that they
can't find anyone less of a moron than him in the whole of continental
europe who could do the job better.
> As for David Blunkett... He is a cretin of the highest order. The media
> contantly refer to him as one of the 'brightest stars' of the cabinet. Yet
> what has he achieved? Class sizes are bigger. So 'pledge number one' right
> out the window! He introduced those inane 'AS' levels, which further
> degraded the perception of Britains education system.
blunkett is a wanker. each person in the three or four years severely
disadvantaged vis a vis the earlier and later school years by his pathetic
experiments ought, if they have any sense of outrage, to scrawl the message
'blunkett is a wanker' on all public places at least one time per person per
week. maybe that would finally get the message across that we're not happy.
now even ken clarke, god bless him, has said he wants to reverse the tuition
fee scandal that came with new labour.
> The original plan was to bring Britain in line with Europe (we teach A
level
> students for 15 hours, they teach for 25 hourse). There were also voices
who
> said that we should encourage a wider range of choices. Thus the AS scheme
> was envisaged. 1st year take 5 AS levels, drop two, and then end up with 3
A
> levels at the end. The 5 AS levels increases the teaching _substantially_.
> (1 AS = half an A level in teacing time). This effectively meant an
increase
> of one quater for teachers to have to cope with. Was there a shaeme to
> recruit 25% more teachers for A levels? Nope. This can _only_ mean that
> teaching standards are comprimised.
>
teachers' salaries are so low that it's clear that anyone willing to accept
them will accept any kind of being shat on from a great height. like the
nurses. so the government just takes advantage.
> The shit thing is that for this summer I am checking the exam papers for
the
> exam board. Many of the GCSE students are not literate (many have had
thier
> own name writted again by the examiner because it is illegible), and an
even
> higher percentage are not numerate. What is the point in teaching a child
> the average rainfall in the Amazon basin, when they dont possess basic
> living skills. If you have children who can learn all 9 subjects, fine,
> teach them, but what is the obsession with forcing children to learn
> everything. You end up with someone who knows a little of everything, but
is
> a master of nothing.
>
they should weedle out the pupils who are keeping the brighter ones back and
put them on craft schools where each would try to identify a few useful
trades to master, because we need more decent craftsmen, not the cowboys you
get in this country in every trade. some thick kids might turn out to be
good painters and decorators, bricklayers and stonemasons. the ones more
academically gifted could be given the opportunity to go to a baccalaureat
style 9 subject a level, and then specialise at the age of 18. i think that
expecting kids to decide on a course of life at 16, as i had to, is too
early. they don't really know themselves and they don't understand all the
options open to them. we had a double period once a week with the schools
career adviser, who was also the bloody drama teacher, which was a bloody
travesty of careers advice as the silly bugger had had no life experience
himself.
> The university system is _hopefully_ above the Govt. meddling too much,
but
> even at degree you get situations at uni's like Staffordshire (reformed
poly
> methinks) where for a 'sports' degree, you can take a module in David
> Beckham!
you can imagine the exam questions 'posh and becks still make love in the
shower even when she's on her rags - discuss'.
>
> Sorry for the length of this.
>
you've made all of 5 kb. i can just imagine all the frustrated people trying
to squeeze your gargantuan post faster down their modem cord.
lh.
Sean Hughes
"leading horticulturalist" <l...@cps.de> wrote in message
news:tmnrld3...@corp.supernews.co.uk...
> > I don't think it's kitch to slag off your own country, I was making a
> point
> > that we can sometimes be just as bad as other nations. The abuse of a
> > capitalist regime is just as vicious as the abuse of a communist regime.
> In
> > _theory_ capitalism should be great. Everyone is equal. However is
reality
> > some people _have_ to be in control (this is natural hierarchical
> > structure). The people in control want/need more recognition than the
> other
> > people. This inherently creates a two-tier system, a 'four legs good,
two
> > legs better' mentality.
>
> i don't think that you can compare the record of england, even with boys
> like cecil rhodes and clive of india, with either the endloesung or the
> gulag system. we are not 'just as bad' as other nations, thankfully. maybe
> we could have been, maybe there's those of us who have it in them to be a
> hitler or a stalin, but somehow thankfully that's not on our record, why
> talk as if it is?
Of course it's not _exactly_ the same, but the two track records are
comprable. Everyone in the West gets up on their high horse as though we're
above it all, but a few hundred years ago we were the one committing the
worst atrocities of the time. Maybe things are worse now, but we were
bastards back then!
> > I _hate_ those anti-capitalist marches. The people who go on them all
wear
> > cool clothes like Fila, or Reebok (and they dont sense any kind of
irony).
> > They organise themselves on mobile phones (supporting the huge
> > telecommunications industry) or the internet (Microsoft). They
constantly
> > call themselves anarchists (meaning chaotic and un-organised) yet you
can
> > find many web pages dedicated to 'organising anarchism'.
> >
>
> there's more of the acceptable face of anarchy in true capitalism, where
the
> government intervene as little as possible, than in the sort of world
these
> wombles want to produce.
Yup.
> > Polytechnics are a lower form of university in the main. Some are very
> good,
> > like the University of the West of England, Bristol, which consistantly
> > beats many 'proper' universities. You do get uni's like Portsmouth,
which
> is
> > a pile of shit.
> so how's the thames valley university, then, in your view?
I don't even know which one that is. I don't go there if that is what you
are trying to imply. As I am not aware of it, I would imagine that its not
the best uni in the country. FYI I think that the _actual_ university isnt
as important as the course you study and the grade you get in it. A 2:1 in
Physics from thames valley ranks higher than a 2:2 in History of Art (hi
there Prince William) from St Andrews.
> > Havn't read the FT for a while, so as much as I would like to be able to
> > comment on the article I can't. In reference to the 'impending
recession'
> I
> > think that you are being a bit pessimistic. I would expect GDP growth to
> be
> > slower over the next quater but I think that the economic managment by
> Eddie
> > George et al will steer us clear of a major recession.
>
> but if it doesn't, at least we can rest assured that it won't be new
> labour's fault, since they handed over responsibility to the governor of
the
> bank of england virtually the minute they took power.
True. At least the Bank of England isn't so succeptable from political
pressure as the Treasurary. I think we are too dependant on _having_ to
blame someone for events that are essentially unavoidable. The main reason
we will go into recession is the collapse of the 'tiger' economies which had
a knock on effect to America. We cant control the whole world! The
Chancellor is always tempted to keep interest rates low to help 'middle
england', those who have mortgages especially. This isnt always in the
interest of staying away from recession. Look at the economy in the early
ninties. The recession then was due to a political campaign against
inflation. The 80s boom was good for those ciy workers, but it fucked over a
lot of the rest of us later on!
> > What does frighten me is if Wim Duisenberg(sp?) the head of the European
> > Central Bank gets control of our economy. In October of last year the
> > interest rates were set at 5.25% (ish, I cant remember the exact figure,
> but
> > all I need to do is demonstrate the principle). In May of this year the
> > interest rates were exactly the same. The economic conditions over 7
> months
> > had changed completely, yet no alteration to the rate was made during
that
> > ENTIRE time. Analysts in all the broadsheets were amazed by Dim Wim's
> > decisions. All the major economies of the world are drastically trying
to
> > avoid a recession originating from America, yet Europe is trying the
> ostrich
> > method of dealing with the problem.
> >
>
> wim has already a massive track record of saying and doing stupid things.
> the only reason he hasn't been replaced yonks ago, (other than possible
top
> rank bilderberg group connexions, but that's just a theory) is that they
> can't find anyone less of a moron than him in the whole of continental
> europe who could do the job better.
He is only meant to be 'chancellor'* for 4 years. There was a big political
argument with another guy vying for the role. The way they eventually got
around the problem was by splitting the term (from 8 to 4 years). Perhaps
Dim Wim's replacement will be a bigger moron! It all doesnt bode well for
encouraging people in this country to join the Euro! *(soz forgotton his
proper title-oopps! not such a good economics student - only just finished
my first year though, and we didnt cover Europe, so not too bad! I think
he's just president of the ECB)
> > As for David Blunkett... He is a cretin of the highest order. The media
> > contantly refer to him as one of the 'brightest stars' of the cabinet.
Yet
> > what has he achieved? Class sizes are bigger. So 'pledge number one'
right
> > out the window! He introduced those inane 'AS' levels, which further
> > degraded the perception of Britains education system.
>
> blunkett is a wanker. each person in the three or four years severely
> disadvantaged vis a vis the earlier and later school years by his pathetic
> experiments ought, if they have any sense of outrage, to scrawl the
message
> 'blunkett is a wanker' on all public places at least one time per person
per
> week. maybe that would finally get the message across that we're not
happy.
> now even ken clarke, god bless him, has said he wants to reverse the
tuition
> fee scandal that came with new labour.
I agree with Tuition Fees. Those whose parent earn a lot of money _should_
have to pay to go to uni. The lower limit is set too low though. You start
paying at £17,000 which is substantially below the national average wage.
The loan system is also flawed. If someone's parents earn over about £30K
then they only get the minimum loan - circa £2500. As we _all_ have to pay
the money back why make the loan means tested. My girlfriend gets no
financial support from her parents, so she has to pay maximum fee (fine) but
gets minimum loan. Its quite a tough disadvantage for students whose parents
are moderately well off, but not rich! Besides, if you are doing a decent
degree you should also get a good job which makes paying the loan back
simple. Well, just my two cents!
> > The original plan was to bring Britain in line with Europe (we teach A
> level
> > students for 15 hours, they teach for 25 hourse). There were also voices
> who
> > said that we should encourage a wider range of choices. Thus the AS
scheme
> > was envisaged. 1st year take 5 AS levels, drop two, and then end up with
3
> A
> > levels at the end. The 5 AS levels increases the teaching
_substantially_.
> > (1 AS = half an A level in teacing time). This effectively meant an
> increase
> > of one quater for teachers to have to cope with. Was there a shaeme to
> > recruit 25% more teachers for A levels? Nope. This can _only_ mean that
> > teaching standards are comprimised.
> teachers' salaries are so low that it's clear that anyone willing to
accept
> them will accept any kind of being shat on from a great height. like the
> nurses. so the government just takes advantage.
Also, because the money is so low, the grade of applicant you get is low
too. Why would someone with a 2:1 in Maths teach for around 17K whan they
can work in London and get double that? Subjects like English are ok,
because there are so many English graduates, but there is a notciable lack
of teachers for subjects like Physics!
Yeah. Agree completely.
> > The university system is _hopefully_ above the Govt. meddling too much,
> but
> > even at degree you get situations at uni's like Staffordshire (reformed
> poly
> > methinks) where for a 'sports' degree, you can take a module in David
> > Beckham!
>
> you can imagine the exam questions 'posh and becks still make love in the
> shower even when she's on her rags - discuss'.
LOL.
> > Sorry for the length of this.
> >
> you've made all of 5 kb. i can just imagine all the frustrated people
trying
> to squeeze your gargantuan post faster down their modem cord.
;) Yeah, ok i was exaggerating. It's the longest post I've written though,
and is seemed like I was typing for ages.
Sean
S.T.Pickrell
>
> The reply was getting too long, so I cut it, sorry if thats an arse for
> anyone.
>
> I don't think it's kitch to slag off your own country, I was making a
> point that we can sometimes be just as bad as other nations.
i would posit to say that the total amount of abuse/murder by the
governments of the us and the uk is much less than the total amount
of abuse/murder by the government of the soviet union, say. the cold
war was fought for a reason.
> The abuse of a capitalist regime is just as vicious as the abuse of a
> communist regime.
not so. in communism, poverty is widespread. boris yeltsin was
travelling through some poor parts of washington dc, and he commented
that in moscow those apartments would be luxury apartments.
in capitalism there are of course winners and losers. the job of
government is to attempt to cushion the losers out of (1) basic
decency and (2) a desire to see the poverty/size of the underclass
lessened. large underclasses tend to lead to revolution and wars and
such.
> In _theory_ capitalism should be great. Everyone is equal. However is
> reality some people _have_ to be in control (this is natural
> hierarchical structure).
glad you can recognise this.
> The people in control want/need more recognition than the other
> people. This inherently creates a two-tier system, a 'four legs good,
> two legs better' mentality.
heh. some people are more equal than others.
> I _hate_ those anti-capitalist marches. The people who go on them all
> wear cool clothes like Fila, or Reebok (and they dont sense any kind of > irony). They organise themselves on mobile phones (supporting the huge
> telecommunications industry) or the internet (Microsoft). They
> constantly call themselves anarchists (meaning chaotic and un-organised)
> yet you can find many web pages dedicated to 'organising anarchism'.
mmm starbucks. you forgot the $3.50 coffee, when you can go to
7-Eleven (or whatever they are called in the UK) and get coffee
for $1.00 a cup.
most of the protesters are bored upper-class kids wanting to stir
shit up. much like many of the protesters during the 1960s wanted to
stir shit up. the unions are genuine in their feelings, and some of
the ageing hippies from the 1960s and some of the kids there are
genuine, but most of the kids just want to destroy things.
> Polytechnics are a lower form of university in the main. Some are very
> good, like the University of the West of England, Bristol, which
> consistantly beats many 'proper' universities. You do get uni's like
> Portsmouth, which is a pile of shit.
heh. in virginia there is an informal system from top to bottom.
university of virginia - top
virginia tech - 2d
mary washington college, george mason university & james madison
university - next
virginia commonwealth university, old dominion university
radford univeristy, longwood college, christopher newport university
the last three are basically party schools, where kids go either
(1) because they are poor and can't afford elsewhere or (2) to get a
college degree b/c people expect them to do so.
> Havn't read the FT for a while, so as much as I would like to be able to
> comment on the article I can't. In reference to the 'impending
> recession' I think that you are being a bit pessimistic. I would expect
> GDP growth to be slower over the next quater but I think that the
> economic managment by Eddie George et al will steer us clear of a major
> recession.
dim wuisenburg (malapromism intentional) might yet screw things up.
> What does frighten me is if Wim Duisenberg(sp?) the head of the European
> Central Bank gets control of our economy.
i see you agree with me ;)
> In October of last year the interest rates were set at 5.25% (ish, I
> cant remember the exact figure, but all I need to do is demonstrate the
> principle). In May of this year the interest rates were exactly the
> same. The economic conditions over 7 months had changed completely, yet
> no alteration to the rate was made during that ENTIRE time. Analysts in
> all the broadsheets were amazed by Dim Wim's decisions. All the major
> economies of the world are drastically trying to avoid a recession
> originating from America, yet Europe is trying the ostrich
> method of dealing with the problem.
the japanese economy has been mired in shit for the past 10 years.
their days as a leading economic power are reaching the end.
the american economy would get out of it but in this day of great
interdependency there will be problems ... some developing countries
are defaulting again.
> As for David Blunkett... He is a cretin of the highest order. The media
as bad as two jags? i'd certainly rate blunkett higher than two jags.
although it was funny how he decked the protester in wales. i wish
cheney would do that.
> contantly refer to him as one of the 'brightest stars' of the cabinet.
> Yet what has he achieved? Class sizes are bigger. So 'pledge number one'
> right out the window! He introduced those inane 'AS' levels, which
> further degraded the perception of Britains education system.
[snip]
> The shit thing is that for this summer I am checking the exam papers for
correct. in the usa, the college preparatory education is being forced
on too many kids. colleges want to stay open to justify their existence,
so they draw in thousands of students a year who really oughtn't be
going to college and then are forced to (1) take remedial classes, (2)
party all the time and make college a bar with a $60,000 cover charge,
and (3) take up space in classes, etc.
> The university system is _hopefully_ above the Govt. meddling too much,
> but even at degree you get situations at uni's like Staffordshire
> (reformed poly methinks) where for a 'sports' degree, you can take a
> module in David Beckham!
heh! there are classes in american uni's where you sit around and
watch tv. sounds like fun.
> Sorry for the length of this.
>
> Sean
no problem. leading horticulturalist, i'd say sean's risen above the
level of his original post. way above.
stick around a bit, sean, and you'll learn jackie is far from being
alone in his assholish tendencies.
shawn
leading horticulturalist
that's right. we pinched zulu land and shot some of them, so we were a lot
worse than shaka zulu who used to go around impaling people on spikes for
looking at his bird or spilling his pint.
we took indian wealth and shot some indians as well, so we were much worse
than the religious extremists there who used to practice human sacrifice to
the goddess kali for fun.
it's funny that after the british influence they haven't gone back to the
old ways too much. i think we saved more than we killed, myself.
prince william was nuts to pick st andrews when chelsea clinton's gone to
oxford. how are they ever gonna meet now?
anyway, i wouldn't be so sure that a 2.1 from a polyversity in physics will
make you more employable than a 2.2 in art history from a top notch
university.
parents are not obliged to support children at that age if they don't want
to, so why the support should depend on what the parents earn is beyond me.
well, my brother is head of physics in a school about a hundred miles from
where you live and he and his wife together (another teacher) earn net less
than i earn gross, and yet my work has absolutely no benefit to the
community whatsoever.
my brother went into it out of a sense of vocation, but the thing that
pisses him off the most is the quality of colleagues he gets.
he can't get a decent discussion about the effect black holes might have on
the speed of light as the light turns round to get sucked back in and what
effect that might have on einsteins theorem if at that moment the speed of
light is not constant.
you don't wanna study physics in basingstoke, anyway, you wanna study
physics in leicester or loughboro.
well, you got it up to 12 kb this time. mind you, i was probably responsible
for 2 or 3 of that.
>
> Sean
>
lh.
Aaron R. Kulkis
Please don't lump the US in with the hypocrisy of the likes of England.
It was PRECISELY due to that hypocrisy which caused the colonies to
go into rebellion.
Aaron R. Kulkis
leading horticulturalist
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <aku...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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will do.
but no revealing our surname when you know it.
actually, better ask jackie - how about this one, can he be trusted?
i took your advice on the other one by the way.
lh.
jack tokeman
> > cumming on faces, or fucking, or wet pussies? Is it _entirely_ necessary.
>
apology accepted
best,
jackie 'hannibal' tokeman, m.d.
jack tokeman
>aaron wrote:
> > give him my email address: aku...@yahoo.com
> >
> > I would LOVE to discuss it with him.
>
> will do.
> but no revealing our surname when you know it.
> actually, better ask jackie - how about this one, can he be trusted?
who, aaron? insufficient data.
on the upside i've yet to see him stab a friend in the back.
on the downside i'm not sure he has all that many friends.
> i took your advice on the other one by the way.
good choice.
leading horticulturalist
"jack tokeman" <tok...@chaney.is.a.big.fat.retard.com> wrote in message
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> lh wrote:
> >aaron wrote:
> > > give him my email address: aku...@yahoo.com
> > >
> > > I would LOVE to discuss it with him.
> >
> > will do.
> > but no revealing our surname when you know it.
> > actually, better ask jackie - how about this one, can he be trusted?
>
> who, aaron? insufficient data.
> on the upside i've yet to see him stab a friend in the back.
> on the downside i'm not sure he has all that many friends.
oh well, two reasons to let him get in contact with my brother then.
i'll put it to the peanuts earning sibling, and see if he goes for it.
maybe aaron can explain to my brother how to get a six figure salary, and in
return my brother can explain to aaron how not to get totally complexed by
women.
i wonder what chance they have of adopting some of the other's strong sides.
> > i took your advice on the other one by the way.
>
> good choice.
>
> best,
btw. did we ever establish whether a.r.k. actually fucked irina or not?
lh.
Brock Hannibal
He meant the other one.
--
Brock
"Put a $20 gold piece on my watch chain so the boys'll know I died
standin' pat"
Aaron R. Kulkis
Of course not. I will treat the information the same as all of the
various military secrets I know.... it stays INSIDE my head.
> actually, better ask jackie - how about this one, can he be trusted?
I only go to war against those who declare war on me.
> i took your advice on the other one by the way.
Wise choice.
> lh.
leading horticuluralist
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <akul...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> > actually, better ask jackie - how about this one, can he be trusted?
>
> I only go to war against those who declare war on me.
>
>
> > i took your advice on the other one by the way.
>
> Wise choice.
>
usual battle lines they come from. jimbo ledford seems to need to take a
serious look in the spiritual mirror.
if jackie hannibal, that reknowned connoisseur of facial cheeses, has tasted
of the ledford visage vintage and pronounced it double gloucester, that's
good enough for me.
lh.
Lady Veteran
<l...@cps.de> wrote:
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>"Aaron R. Kulkis" <akul...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> leading horticulturalist wrote:
>> >
>> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <aku...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> > news:3B6C5A5C...@yahoo.com...
>> > > leading horticulturalist wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > "Sean Hughes" <yoss...@catch22.fslife.co.uk> wrote in message
>> > > > news:9khcnv$6f0$1...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk...
>> > > > >
>> > > > > "leading horticulturalist" <l...@cps.de> wrote in message
>> > > > > news:tmnrld3...@corp.supernews.co.uk...
>> > > > >
>>
>> Of course not. I will treat the information the same as all of the
>> various military secrets I know.... it stays INSIDE my head.
>>
>how well do you think you'd stand up to torture?
He would probably talk if they LOOKED at him cross-eyed.