Weird question about beastiality
ChrisB
another group. Basically trolling about how lusting after some hot elf
chick was adultery. No, someone replied it is beastialiaty if anything.
Sorry guys, it got me thinking about just what is beastiality. If it is
sex with animals, then that response implies that non Human beings are
not people, even if they are intelligent/sentient.
So, hypothetical situation, intelligent creature, physiologically
compatable enough to have sex. Might be alien. Can definetly consent
and communicate consent. Is it beastiality? If not, what is it? If it
is beastiality does this say something about the human psyche? The
ultimate us/them perhaps?
suzee
It's not beastiality. For a sex story, that one would probably be coded
fantasy and alien.
sue
Sandgroper
"ChrisB" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> So, hypothetical situation, intelligent creature, physiologically
> compatable enough to have sex. Might be alien. Can definetly consent
> and communicate consent. Is it beastiality? If not, what is it? If it
> is beastiality does this say something about the human psyche? The
> ultimate us/them perhaps?
Alien sex ?
Bestiality means sex between a person and an animal , and animals can / are
classed as non sentient entities .
An alien would be classed as a sentient being so sex between a human and an
alien would be called alien sex because both human ( sentient being ) and
the alien ( sentient being ) would be alien to each other's species.
For further information , watch more Star Trek and other science fiction
movies.
:)
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Tom Allen
> "ChrisB" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>>So, hypothetical situation, intelligent creature, physiologically
>>compatable enough to have sex. Might be alien. Can definetly consent
>>and communicate consent. Is it beastiality? If not, what is it? If it
>>is beastiality does this say something about the human psyche? The
>>ultimate us/them perhaps?
>
>
> Alien sex ?
>
> Bestiality means sex between a person and an animal , and animals can / are
> classed as non sentient entities .
>
> An alien would be classed as a sentient being so sex between a human and an
> alien would be called alien sex because both human ( sentient being ) and
> the alien ( sentient being ) would be alien to each other's species.
So, what would a Wookie be considered? I mean, they're kind of like an
intelligent dog, right?
Hey, and here's a good question about this: just how sentient do they
need to be, anyhow? If they're significantly more intelligent, then
wouldn't we be like chimps (relatively speaking), and therefore sex with
us would be like bestiality to them?
Skip
Sandgroper
"Tom Allen" <tao...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> >
> > An alien would be classed as a sentient being so sex between a human and
an
> > alien would be called alien sex because both human ( sentient being )
and
> > the alien ( sentient being ) would be alien to each other's species.
>
> So, what would a Wookie be considered? I mean, they're kind of like an
> intelligent dog, right?
Then again a human would probably be considered a like a hairless dog on
their world , so the real test that would separate an animal from a
sentinent entity would be the ability of language and abstract thinking ,
which in this case , a Wookie would be a sentinent being because he has the
ability of speech as well as abstract thinking and would be able to do
things like fly the Millinium Falcon around that far , far away galaxy.
:)
> Hey, and here's a good question about this: just how sentient do they
> need to be, anyhow? If they're significantly more intelligent, then
> wouldn't we be like chimps (relatively speaking), and therefore sex with
> us would be like bestiality to them?
Then again , you get quite a lot of humans that act like animals during sex
, so I think it all equates out to personal preference.
Remus Shepherd
> So, hypothetical situation, intelligent creature, physiologically
> compatable enough to have sex. Might be alien. Can definetly consent
> and communicate consent. Is it beastiality? If not, what is it? If it
> is beastiality does this say something about the human psyche? The
> ultimate us/them perhaps?
It all depends on who is making the definitions. At least one Catholic
bishop was once quoted as saying that a human/alien pairing would be
considered bestiality by the church. The church is concerned with the
pureness of humanity (and that says something about their psyche), not with
whether consent is involved.
Other definitions include 'sex with a lower life form', which would
arguably put alien/human sex as bestiality on the alien's part. Some sci-fi
novels explore this -- Fritz Leiber's novel 'The Wanderer' comes to mind.
... ...
Remus Shepherd <re...@panix.com>
Elisobella
Us v's non-us. Maybe
MOTU
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>> So, hypothetical situation, intelligent creature, physiologically
>> compatable enough to have sex. Might be alien. Can definetly consent
>> and communicate consent. Is it beastiality? If not, what is it? If it
>> is beastiality does this say something about the human psyche? The
>> ultimate us/them perhaps?
>
> Alien sex ?
I had alien sex once.. highly recommended.
Daniel L. Snyder
Remus Shepherd <re...@panix.com> wrote:
> ChrisB <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> > So, hypothetical situation, intelligent creature, physiologically
> > compatable enough to have sex. Might be alien. Can definetly consent
> > and communicate consent.
[snip]
> Other definitions include 'sex with a lower life form'
So in the case of a person doing with an attorney, then...
illecebra
<snip>
>
> Then again a human would probably be considered a like a hairless dog on
> their world , so the real test that would separate an animal from a
> sentinent entity would be the ability of language and abstract thinking ,
> which in this case , a Wookie would be a sentinent being because he has the
> ability of speech as well as abstract thinking and would be able to do
> things like fly the Millinium Falcon around that far , far away galaxy.
But if language and abstract thinking are the measure, then sex with
some parrots (don't ask me to think about how one would accomplish it in
the first place) wouldn't be bestiality, ditto for sex with dolphins and
some apes.
Susan
MOTU
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> I had alien sex once.. highly recommended.
Some might even say alien sex is "out of this world" ;o)
Laurent Bugnion
Remus Shepherd wrote:
> Other definitions include 'sex with a lower life form',
Wouldn't that include most of the man-woman sex?
Laurent
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Sam Murai
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I thought the definition of the word "bestiality" (note spelling) referred
to sex with animals. So it's a matter of if we consider the being / creature
to be an animal or not...
Insects on the other hand...
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Sam Murai
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then I'm a dead man!"
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ChrisB
Thanks, beast has an "a" so I assumed bestiality would have the same
"a". And that was my first reaction to the troll in the other group. A
hot elf chick or a hot alien chick are not animals (by my definition) if
they are reasoning, thinking people.
Tom Allen
> Hi,
>
> Remus Shepherd wrote:
>
>> Other definitions include 'sex with a lower life form',
>
>
> Wouldn't that include most of the man-woman sex?
<wags finger>
Now Laurent... let's not start that again, okay?
Tom
Laurent Bugnion
Hey, I said "most", not "all"!! ;-)
Tom Allen
> Hi Tom,
>
> Tom Allen wrote:
>
>>Laurent Bugnion wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>Remus Shepherd wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Other definitions include 'sex with a lower life form',
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Wouldn't that include most of the man-woman sex?
>>
>>
>>
>><wags finger>
>>
>>Now Laurent... let's not start that again, okay?
>>
>>Tom
>
>
> Hey, I said "most", not "all"!! ;-)
I just didn't want anyone to flame you about your suggestion that women
are "lower life forms", but if you insist on causing trouble for
yourself, mon ami, then you are welcome to do so.
Tom <donning asbestos suit>
Alexis D
> tao...@earthlink.net (Tom Allen)
> > > > Laurent Bugnion wrote:
> > > <wags finger>
> > > Tom
> Tom <donning asbestos suit>
Now that is very interesting; I thought Laurent was saying that women
are the HIGHER life forms... I mean, that's pretty common knowledge,
isn't it?
Alexis
Tom Allen
Oh? OH! Oh, er... um, yeah. Yeah, that's how I meant it, too. Like I
said, I just didn't want anyone getting upset with Laurent. <g>
Tom
GoldenMan54 Rev. Doctor
human females is available, Finding a herd of pony mares will provide
excellent sex for a horny inmate and where I was located, every night
somebody would sneak out of the camp and have sexual relation with a
pony mare. Nobody said anything when the guy came back to his bunk.
Laurent Bugnion
You actually got it right. I am known as a woman-lover, but I am not a
big fan of the typical male...
Sam Murai
Although I think people here are debating to the "spirit of the law" rather
than to the letter of the law in which case, bestiality most likely refers
to sex with species other than humans.
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ChrisB
But what if there were species other than humans that were reasoning,
thinking people? Bestiality implies beasts, which implies animals. So
would the letter of the law, or definition, be with animals or with
non-humans? If it is with animals, then if a person has sex with a
reasoning, thinking, consenting non-human then it isn't bestiality. If
it is with non-humans then it is.
Sam Murai
> Sam Murai wrote:
....
> > Although I think people here are debating to the "spirit of the law"
rather
> > than to the letter of the law in which case, bestiality most likely
refers
> > to sex with species other than humans.
> >
> > --
> > SaM mUrAi
> >
> But what if there were species other than humans that were reasoning,
> thinking people? Bestiality implies beasts, which implies animals. So
> would the letter of the law, or definition, be with animals or with
> non-humans? If it is with animals, then if a person has sex with a
> reasoning, thinking, consenting non-human then it isn't bestiality. If
> it is with non-humans then it is.
>
Following along with this hypotheses. I still believe people condemn
bestiality with the intent that it is sex with something or some creature
which is more animal than of the human race.
Playing the devil's advocate as you are doing, whether having sex with this
reasoning, thinking (and what's consent to do with it?) being which is not
necessarily of the human race is acceptable or deemed as bestiality would
probably depend on how closely this being resembles a human in our
perception.
E.g. If the being was an intelligent ape like as in "Planet of the Apes",
then it would be borderline as they seem so human-like, almost as if they
were humans in ape suits if you know what I mean. (Although I felt the scene
where Mark Wahlberg kisses the ape girl [forgot the character's name] a
little close to the bestial side!) That's where human sex with a Wookie
would seem borderline on bestiality as well! (Actually, Wookies seem less
intelligent than the apes in "Planet of the Apes" because they communicate
in a more primal, animalistic way than with articulate speech)
On the other hand, in the movie "Cocoon" or even "Species", sex with an
alien seems more acceptable because the alien is in the form of a hot babe.
A form that we can accept even if the alien is originally a glowing light or
full of tentacles.
Consider another hypothetical example with mythical beings from "The Lord of
the Rings": Elves resemble humans (except for their pointy ears and life
span) so closely that a relationship between human Aragorn and Elven Arwen
doesn't seem so odd. Even dwarves and hobbits could be like midgets and
whilst human sex with that species may seem odd or even perverted, it
wouldn't be considered bestial by any means.
So, contrary to your statement, sex with Mr. Ed is still bestiality no
matter if Mr. Ed can beat you at chess or not. Likewise with any of the
animals from "Cats & Dogs" despite their superior intelligence.
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Sandgroper
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Yeah , that's the main problem , trying to determine if any life form has
abstract thinking , you can have parrots mimicking human speech , but have
they got the higher brain functions to think abstractly and to do mental
tasks like counting objects or solving problems.
Having said that , one of the most intelligent life forms is the octopus ,
it has the intelligence to be able to work out how to unscrew a lid of a
screw top jar .
Sam Murai
....
> I just didn't want anyone to flame you about your suggestion that women
> are "lower life forms", but if you insist on causing trouble for
> yourself, mon ami, then you are welcome to do so.
>
> Tom <donning asbestos suit>
>
[sounds of crickets chirping]
I don't think any of the ladies here are taking the bait...
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