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TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 15, 2012, 8:58:15 PM4/15/12
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Don't ask me about the morality of it. It's all about survival. I must
ride on sidewalk like everybody else in the middle of this bike
sharing program. I don't know if it's that way in Paris or London, but
that's reality here. I figure that on average I have five near misses
with pedestrians and two with cars every single outing. Today I almost
hit a child that must have been daydreaming. Elderly people really
worry me since they can hardly afford to have a broken bone. Couples
blocking my way patiently step aside. Some give me a dirty look. I
wished they understood I don't want to be there. Cars, on the other
hand, just ignore me when they go in/out of driveways as if they lived
in a bubble. We are all taking gambles, and the odds are against the
weak. Is everybody willing participant?
Is there a solution or are people zombies? Do we have the living dead
walking among us? That's a scary thought. But that's only my humble
opinion.
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ride on sidewalk like everybody else in the middle of this bike
sharing program. I don't know if it's that way in Paris or London, but
that's reality here. I figure that on average I have five near misses
with pedestrians and two with cars every single outing. Today I almost
hit a child that must have been daydreaming. Elderly people really
worry me since they can hardly afford to have a broken bone. Couples
blocking my way patiently step aside. Some give me a dirty look. I
wished they understood I don't want to be there. Cars, on the other
hand, just ignore me when they go in/out of driveways as if they lived
in a bubble. We are all taking gambles, and the odds are against the
weak. Is everybody willing participant?
Is there a solution or are people zombies? Do we have the living dead
walking among us? That's a scary thought. But that's only my humble
opinion.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Zombies_NightoftheLivingDead.jpg
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
brian
Apr 15, 2012, 10:20:47 PM4/15/12
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On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 17:58:15 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
Cruiser Philosopher" <nolionn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Don't ask me about the morality of it. It's all about survival. I must
>ride on sidewalk like everybody else in the middle of this bike
>sharing program. I don't know if it's that way in Paris or London, but
>that's reality here. I figure that on average I have five near misses
>with pedestrians and two with cars every single outing. Today I almost
>hit a child that must have been daydreaming. Elderly people really
>worry me since they can hardly afford to have a broken bone. Couples
>blocking my way patiently step aside. Some give me a dirty look. I
>wished they understood I don't want to be there. Cars, on the other
>hand, just ignore me when they go in/out of driveways as if they lived
>in a bubble. We are all taking gambles, and the odds are against the
>weak. Is everybody willing participant?
>
>Is there a solution or are people zombies? Do we have the living dead
>walking among us? That's a scary thought. But that's only my humble
>opinion.
Well, they are called sideWALKS. People probably don't expect a
Cruiser Philosopher" <nolionn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Don't ask me about the morality of it. It's all about survival. I must
>ride on sidewalk like everybody else in the middle of this bike
>sharing program. I don't know if it's that way in Paris or London, but
>that's reality here. I figure that on average I have five near misses
>with pedestrians and two with cars every single outing. Today I almost
>hit a child that must have been daydreaming. Elderly people really
>worry me since they can hardly afford to have a broken bone. Couples
>blocking my way patiently step aside. Some give me a dirty look. I
>wished they understood I don't want to be there. Cars, on the other
>hand, just ignore me when they go in/out of driveways as if they lived
>in a bubble. We are all taking gambles, and the odds are against the
>weak. Is everybody willing participant?
>
>Is there a solution or are people zombies? Do we have the living dead
>walking among us? That's a scary thought. But that's only my humble
>opinion.
vehicle to be mixed in with them.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 15, 2012, 10:47:44 PM4/15/12
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On Apr 15, 10:03 pm, Sir Ridesalot <i_am_cycle_pat...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On Apr 15, 8:53 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
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>
> <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Don't ask me about the morality of it. It's all about survival. I must
> > ride on sidewalk like everybody else in the middle of this bike
> > sharing program. I don't know if it's that way in Paris or London, but
> > that's reality here. I figure that on average I have five near misses
> > with pedestrians and two with cars every single outing. Today I almost
> > hit a child that must have been daydreaming. Elderly people really
> > worry me since they can hardly afford to have a broken bone. Couples
> > blocking my way patiently step aside. Some give me a dirty look. I
> > wished they understood I don't want to be there. Cars, on the other
> > hand, just ignore me when they go in/out of driveways as if they lived
> > in a bubble. We are all taking gambles, and the odds are against the
> > weak. Is everybody willing participant?
>
> > Is there a solution or are people zombies? Do we have the living dead
> > walking among us? That's a scary thought. But that's only my humble
> > opinion.
>
> >http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Zombies_Nightofthe...
>
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>
>
>
>
>
> <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Don't ask me about the morality of it. It's all about survival. I must
> > ride on sidewalk like everybody else in the middle of this bike
> > sharing program. I don't know if it's that way in Paris or London, but
> > that's reality here. I figure that on average I have five near misses
> > with pedestrians and two with cars every single outing. Today I almost
> > hit a child that must have been daydreaming. Elderly people really
> > worry me since they can hardly afford to have a broken bone. Couples
> > blocking my way patiently step aside. Some give me a dirty look. I
> > wished they understood I don't want to be there. Cars, on the other
> > hand, just ignore me when they go in/out of driveways as if they lived
> > in a bubble. We are all taking gambles, and the odds are against the
> > weak. Is everybody willing participant?
>
> > Is there a solution or are people zombies? Do we have the living dead
> > walking among us? That's a scary thought. But that's only my humble
> > opinion.
>
>
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> Most pedestrains do *NOT* expect to encounter a bicycle that is moving
> at any rate of speed on a sidewalk. Therefore those pedestrains are
> not on the lookout for such a vehicle. As far as i am concerned a
> bicycle being ridden at speed on a sidewalk with pedestrians also
> using that sidewalk is even worse than the discrepency between law
> abiding bicyclists sharing the same road with motor vehicles. That is
> because at leaast on the road there are rules and laws governing the
> behaviour of the vehicles sharing it such as which traffic shall
> travel in which direction and when whereas on the sidewalk there is no
> rule such as having one side of the walkway for westbound traffic and
> the curbside for eastbound traffic or however the sidewalk is oriented
> direction wise. On the sidewalk you have such a mix of people of
> varying degrees of mobility and awareness. If a bicyclist does elect
> to ride on the sidewalk I think that bicyclist should ride as close
> to the curb as is practcable so that they do not strike a pedestrian
> who steps out of a doorway. There have been deaths of pedestrians who
> were killed when struck by a bicyclist moving at speed on a sidewalk.
> The very young and the elderly and the handicapped are most at risk.
>
> Cheers
True, but you may argue that most accidents on sidewalk do not result
in the death of the cyclist. We share similar mass whereas a vehicle
represents overwhelming mass. I often say I'm a "pedestrian on wheels"
but I know I don't belong there. Actually I'd support legislation that
bans us on sidewalks.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 16, 2012, 1:39:16 AM4/16/12
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On Apr 16, 12:23 am, Dan O <danover...@gmail.com> wrote:
> proximity" (which is not necessarily a problem if everybody involved
> is situationally aware, in control, and exercising due care),
> something really wrong there.
Narrow sidewalks make them mean the same. I don't want to ring the
bell every time I pass a pedestrian and any involuntary movement is a
near miss.
>
> > > Today I almost
> > > hit a child that must have been daydreaming.
>
> People daydream - kids especially. Anticipate it.
That's why they should be taught this world is a dangerous jungle. ;)
> impact of your potential victims. However, ederly people can warrant
> some extra care since there are considerations such as alertness,
> response time, agility, etc. - not to mention general respect for your
> elders.
But they never say, "Hey, these cyclists deserve their own space so I
can have my own," and make noise with the local government. The other
day I reported to Target that they needed a pedestrian crossing for
people getting off the bus, and they told me that the seniors had to
make noise about it --and they haven't.
>
> > > Couples
> > > blocking my way patiently step aside.
>
> It is nice to see mutual cooperation and sharing the path, but it
> blows me away how many people are loath to go single file for
> anything.
We cyclists are forced to go single file on the road. It's not fair.
>
> > > Some give me a dirty look. I
> > > wished they understood I don't want to be there.
>
> Deference and pleasant courtesy go a long way, but some people are
> going to scowl at you no matter what.
True, there's no sense of empathy.
>
> > > Cars, on the other
> > > hand, just ignore me when they go in/out of driveways as if they lived
> > > in a bubble.
>
> I think that's probably illegal, but as you say, the law of the jungle
> prevails (or, as I say, the laws of physics trump), and ultimately you
> have to watch out for yourself.
If you think about it, drivers get the ball rolling and it falls on
the weakest members, mainly the senior citizens who walk on sidewalks.
They don't want us on the road, so we take refuge on the sidewalk.
>
> > > We are all taking gambles, and the odds are against the
> > > weak. Is everybody willing participant?
>
> Is there an option not to?
Oh well, make noise so they create space for us. I bet you the mother
of our elected officials doesn't walk out there.
>
> > >http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Zombies_Nightofthe...
> jurisdiction where I live and ride, bikes are allowed on sidewalks,
> except where specifically prohibited, which is usually downtown areas
> where pedestrian traffic is greatest. In most other areas there is
> almost never any pedestrian traffic, and sidewalks can be a good
> option for the bicyclist.
Except at every driveway and intersection. Cars are still a problem.
>
> There are rules and laws governing bikes and their interaction with
> pedestrians on sidewalks here.
Rule #1: "TRY NOT HIT THEM!"
>
> > ... such as which traffic shall
> convince people of this fact here before.
> and courtesy.
Drivers are beasts compared to pedestrians, who are very nice
people. ;)
> bike anywhere there are doorways opening onto the sidewalk. That
> nearer the curb thing is good courtesy, too - unless the other person
> obviously wants that line. Nearer the street means you can bail off
> the sidewalk, and it's where the gentleman is supposed to be to catch
> any flak from the street.
It's mystery why it keeps happening.
>
> (I understand from Frank's "data" that there have been deaths of
> people falling out of bed, too.)
Well, I have my mattress on the floor, just in case.
> On Apr 15, 7:03 pm, Sir Ridesalot <i_am_cycle_pat...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 15, 8:53 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> > <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Don't ask me about the morality of it. It's all about survival. I must
> > > ride on sidewalk like everybody else in the middle of this bike
> > > sharing program. I don't know if it's that way in Paris or London, but
> > > that's reality here. I figure that on average I have five near misses
> > > with pedestrians and two with cars every single outing.
>
> That's alarming. Unless by "near misses" you mean "passed in close
>
> > On Apr 15, 8:53 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> > <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Don't ask me about the morality of it. It's all about survival. I must
> > > ride on sidewalk like everybody else in the middle of this bike
> > > sharing program. I don't know if it's that way in Paris or London, but
> > > that's reality here. I figure that on average I have five near misses
> > > with pedestrians and two with cars every single outing.
>
> proximity" (which is not necessarily a problem if everybody involved
> is situationally aware, in control, and exercising due care),
> something really wrong there.
Narrow sidewalks make them mean the same. I don't want to ring the
bell every time I pass a pedestrian and any involuntary movement is a
near miss.
>
> > > Today I almost
> > > hit a child that must have been daydreaming.
>
That's why they should be taught this world is a dangerous jungle. ;)
>
> > > Elderly people really
> > > worry me since they can hardly afford to have a broken bone.
>
> You really shouldn't even be thinking of the relative fragility on
> > > Elderly people really
> > > worry me since they can hardly afford to have a broken bone.
>
> impact of your potential victims. However, ederly people can warrant
> some extra care since there are considerations such as alertness,
> response time, agility, etc. - not to mention general respect for your
> elders.
But they never say, "Hey, these cyclists deserve their own space so I
can have my own," and make noise with the local government. The other
day I reported to Target that they needed a pedestrian crossing for
people getting off the bus, and they told me that the seniors had to
make noise about it --and they haven't.
>
> > > Couples
> > > blocking my way patiently step aside.
>
> blows me away how many people are loath to go single file for
> anything.
We cyclists are forced to go single file on the road. It's not fair.
>
> > > Some give me a dirty look. I
> > > wished they understood I don't want to be there.
>
> going to scowl at you no matter what.
True, there's no sense of empathy.
>
> > > Cars, on the other
> > > hand, just ignore me when they go in/out of driveways as if they lived
> > > in a bubble.
>
> prevails (or, as I say, the laws of physics trump), and ultimately you
> have to watch out for yourself.
If you think about it, drivers get the ball rolling and it falls on
the weakest members, mainly the senior citizens who walk on sidewalks.
They don't want us on the road, so we take refuge on the sidewalk.
>
> > > We are all taking gambles, and the odds are against the
> > > weak. Is everybody willing participant?
>
Oh well, make noise so they create space for us. I bet you the mother
of our elected officials doesn't walk out there.
>
>
>
> > > Is there a solution or are people zombies? Do we have the living dead
> > > walking among us? That's a scary thought. But that's only my humble
> > > opinion.
>
> It's all out there.
>
>
> > > Is there a solution or are people zombies? Do we have the living dead
> > > walking among us? That's a scary thought. But that's only my humble
> > > opinion.
>
>
> > >http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Zombies_Nightofthe...
>
> > Most pedestrains do *NOT* expect to encounter a bicycle that is moving
> > at any rate of speed on a sidewalk. Therefore those pedestrains are
> > not on the lookout for such a vehicle. As far as i am concerned a
> > bicycle being ridden at speed on a sidewalk with pedestrians also
> > using that sidewalk is even worse than the discrepency between law
> > abiding bicyclists sharing the same road with motor vehicles.
>
> I agree. Sidewalks belong to pedestrians, but here in the legal
> > Most pedestrains do *NOT* expect to encounter a bicycle that is moving
> > at any rate of speed on a sidewalk. Therefore those pedestrains are
> > not on the lookout for such a vehicle. As far as i am concerned a
> > bicycle being ridden at speed on a sidewalk with pedestrians also
> > using that sidewalk is even worse than the discrepency between law
> > abiding bicyclists sharing the same road with motor vehicles.
>
> jurisdiction where I live and ride, bikes are allowed on sidewalks,
> except where specifically prohibited, which is usually downtown areas
> where pedestrian traffic is greatest. In most other areas there is
> almost never any pedestrian traffic, and sidewalks can be a good
> option for the bicyclist.
Except at every driveway and intersection. Cars are still a problem.
>
> > That is
> > because at leaast on the road there are rules and laws governing the
> > behaviour of the vehicles sharing it...
> > That is
> > because at leaast on the road there are rules and laws governing the
>
> There are rules and laws governing bikes and their interaction with
> pedestrians on sidewalks here.
Rule #1: "TRY NOT HIT THEM!"
>
> > ... such as which traffic shall
> > travel in which direction and when whereas on the sidewalk there is no
> > rule such as having one side of the walkway for westbound traffic and
> > the curbside for eastbound traffic or however the sidewalk is oriented
> > direction wise.
>
> Thank you. I was quite flabbergasted to find myself trying to
> > rule such as having one side of the walkway for westbound traffic and
> > the curbside for eastbound traffic or however the sidewalk is oriented
> > direction wise.
>
> convince people of this fact here before.
>
> > On the sidewalk you have such a mix of people of
> > varying degrees of mobility and awareness.
>
> Situational awareness, perceptive consideration, due care, deference
> > On the sidewalk you have such a mix of people of
> > varying degrees of mobility and awareness.
>
> and courtesy.
Drivers are beasts compared to pedestrians, who are very nice
people. ;)
>
> > If a bicyclist does elect
> > to ride on the sidewalk I think that bicyclist should ride as close
> > to the curb as is practcable so that they do not strike a pedestrian
> > who steps out of a doorway.
>
> Oh, absolutely. Actually, bicyclists should probably be walking their
> > If a bicyclist does elect
> > to ride on the sidewalk I think that bicyclist should ride as close
> > to the curb as is practcable so that they do not strike a pedestrian
> > who steps out of a doorway.
>
> bike anywhere there are doorways opening onto the sidewalk. That
> nearer the curb thing is good courtesy, too - unless the other person
> obviously wants that line. Nearer the street means you can bail off
> the sidewalk, and it's where the gentleman is supposed to be to catch
> any flak from the street.
>
> > There have been deaths of pedestrians who
> > were killed when struck by a bicyclist moving at speed on a sidewalk.
> > The very young and the elderly and the handicapped are most at risk.
>
> That is so sad - and so unnecessary.
> > There have been deaths of pedestrians who
> > were killed when struck by a bicyclist moving at speed on a sidewalk.
> > The very young and the elderly and the handicapped are most at risk.
>
It's mystery why it keeps happening.
>
> (I understand from Frank's "data" that there have been deaths of
> people falling out of bed, too.)
Well, I have my mattress on the floor, just in case.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 16, 2012, 2:16:43 AM4/16/12
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On Apr 16, 1:49 am, Ronko <ronkreu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <4c3671a6-6eee-450b-a3b1-
> 56a7c7d99...@s7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
> nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com says...
> >hit a child that must have been daydreaming. Elderly people really
> >worry me since they can hardly afford to have a broken bone. Couples
> >blocking my way patiently step aside. Some give me a dirty look. I
> >wished they understood I don't want to be there. Cars, on the other
> eLivingDead.jpg
>
> >-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> In some cities in California, such as Berkeley, there are notices posted on
> some busy downtown sidewalks that bikes must be walked. This is merely
> common sense. Regardless of local or state law, pedestrians in my mind
> have the right-of-way and should be given courtesy when riding a bike on a
> sidewalk. That's the way I approach it when I ride on a sidewalk, yeild to
> all.
I don't like to yield to dogs, who are usually on a long leash. Around
here there's a wealthy community that banned bicycles even though
nobody is on sidewalk. But they walk dogs and that's not very nice, I
think. Dogs shouldn't be on sidewalks.
> In article <4c3671a6-6eee-450b-a3b1-
> 56a7c7d99...@s7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
> nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com says...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >Don't ask me about the morality of it. It's all about survival. I must
> >ride on sidewalk like everybody else in the middle of this bike
> >sharing program. I don't know if it's that way in Paris or London, but
> >that's reality here. I figure that on average I have five near misses
> >with pedestrians and two with cars every single outing. Today I almost
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >Don't ask me about the morality of it. It's all about survival. I must
> >ride on sidewalk like everybody else in the middle of this bike
> >sharing program. I don't know if it's that way in Paris or London, but
> >that's reality here. I figure that on average I have five near misses
> >hit a child that must have been daydreaming. Elderly people really
> >worry me since they can hardly afford to have a broken bone. Couples
> >blocking my way patiently step aside. Some give me a dirty look. I
> >wished they understood I don't want to be there. Cars, on the other
> >hand, just ignore me when they go in/out of driveways as if they lived
> >in a bubble. We are all taking gambles, and the odds are against the
> >weak. Is everybody willing participant?
>
>
> >Is there a solution or are people zombies? Do we have the living dead
> >walking among us? That's a scary thought. But that's only my humble
> >opinion.
>
> >http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Zombies_Nightofth
> >walking among us? That's a scary thought. But that's only my humble
> >opinion.
>
> eLivingDead.jpg
>
> >-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> In some cities in California, such as Berkeley, there are notices posted on
> some busy downtown sidewalks that bikes must be walked. This is merely
> common sense. Regardless of local or state law, pedestrians in my mind
> have the right-of-way and should be given courtesy when riding a bike on a
> sidewalk. That's the way I approach it when I ride on a sidewalk, yeild to
> all.
I don't like to yield to dogs, who are usually on a long leash. Around
here there's a wealthy community that banned bicycles even though
nobody is on sidewalk. But they walk dogs and that's not very nice, I
think. Dogs shouldn't be on sidewalks.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 16, 2012, 1:03:31 PM4/16/12
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On Apr 16, 11:06 am, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Miamuh, remeber the TV program MIAMUH CODE ? boasts a variety of building specs prob distorting ur vision here.
>
> EG Miamuh is a special case among urban/suburban areas. Miamuh isnot Ohio or old LA or San Diego which is impossible.
>
> Disregarding for the moment necessity for carrying an automatic weapon, Miamuh codes are based on profit not utility giving some really wierd building areas once inhab by retirees now slums.
But good PR is part of the game:
http://www.decobike.com/
Girls in bikini, hot weather and bicycles make good PR, but reality is
different. Maybe the tourists don't try to make sense out of it, or
maybe they'll never come back. It can be heaven, it can be hell. Maybe
"safari on bike" could be a tourist attraction. Animals abound and
they are loose.
Next door is Ft Lauderdale which is has the dubious record of most
pedestrians killed in the nation. Florida itself is a land of great
danger for pedestrians, but they are not as notoriously popular as
Zimmerman and Martin. This kid never had a chance:
"Christopher Cepeda was only fourteen years old when he and four of
his friends were walking home after playing basketball. He was killed
while crossing U.S. 27, a major four-lane highway with a wide grassy
median and a posted speed limit of 65 miles per hour. As Mr. Cepeda
and his friends waited in the median to cross the road, Denise
Sottilaro suddenly changed lanes and, although she claimed to have hit
her brakes, slammed into the boy. He later died from the injuries."
The boy is said to have been texting, but I don't see that weakens the
case against the driver. Why is she changing lane while pedestrians
are around?
Moral of the story:
"Lastly, this case wrongful death case, again, also highlights the
dangers of texting while driving or crossing the road, and we urge
everyone to simply put their smart phones away until they are safely
able to focus on what they are doing."
http://www.floridainjurylawyer-blog.com/2012/02/police-are-usually-called-to.html
> Miamuh, remeber the TV program MIAMUH CODE ? boasts a variety of building specs prob distorting ur vision here.
>
> EG Miamuh is a special case among urban/suburban areas. Miamuh isnot Ohio or old LA or San Diego which is impossible.
>
> Disregarding for the moment necessity for carrying an automatic weapon, Miamuh codes are based on profit not utility giving some really wierd building areas once inhab by retirees now slums.
But good PR is part of the game:
http://www.decobike.com/
Girls in bikini, hot weather and bicycles make good PR, but reality is
different. Maybe the tourists don't try to make sense out of it, or
maybe they'll never come back. It can be heaven, it can be hell. Maybe
"safari on bike" could be a tourist attraction. Animals abound and
they are loose.
Next door is Ft Lauderdale which is has the dubious record of most
pedestrians killed in the nation. Florida itself is a land of great
danger for pedestrians, but they are not as notoriously popular as
Zimmerman and Martin. This kid never had a chance:
"Christopher Cepeda was only fourteen years old when he and four of
his friends were walking home after playing basketball. He was killed
while crossing U.S. 27, a major four-lane highway with a wide grassy
median and a posted speed limit of 65 miles per hour. As Mr. Cepeda
and his friends waited in the median to cross the road, Denise
Sottilaro suddenly changed lanes and, although she claimed to have hit
her brakes, slammed into the boy. He later died from the injuries."
The boy is said to have been texting, but I don't see that weakens the
case against the driver. Why is she changing lane while pedestrians
are around?
Moral of the story:
"Lastly, this case wrongful death case, again, also highlights the
dangers of texting while driving or crossing the road, and we urge
everyone to simply put their smart phones away until they are safely
able to focus on what they are doing."
http://www.floridainjurylawyer-blog.com/2012/02/police-are-usually-called-to.html
Rita
Apr 16, 2012, 3:27:23 PM4/16/12
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give way to a pedestrian or a dog. I stop and allow them to get by
me. I am not interested in speed -- I ride slowly. I am no danger to
anyone. Sometimes a pedestrian steps out of the way before I can
stop -- I say thank you. I am very old -- age 82 and people can see
that. Many are interested in my adult trike and ask me questions
about it. It has an electric motor. There are sloping curbs on the
sidewalks at intersections -- bikers ride on the sidewalks in my
area and I have never seen one speeding. Lots of people walk their
dogs on the sidewalks and I have no problem with that. Live and let
live and get along with others by courtesy and not making judgments.
Works out well for me.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 16, 2012, 10:26:04 PM4/16/12
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mind waiting for pedestrians and dogs. You become a true "pedestrian
on wheels." Time for me to go back to it and let the world fall apart.
Rita
Apr 17, 2012, 12:04:00 AM4/17/12
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that you had to keep moving while on a three wheel trike you can slow
to a crawl. And if you stop you need not get off.
Last time I owned a two wheel bike I lived in New York City and lived
close to Central Park, and then later in Brooklyn lived close to a
large park there. So I could ride on bike paths.
Now that I am age 82 a three wheel trike is much safer for me. I do
have spinal stenosis that makes walking much painful. On the trike
one bends forward and no pain. Without the trike I would not be able
to get much exercise. I love my trike. I am not in a hurry to get
anyplace. Luckily there are places to chain it at groceries stores,
the library, etc. Sometimes when there are no bike racks a palm
tree trunk works well. Palm trees are a dime a dozen in my area
of San Diego which is called Pacific Beach.
>
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 17, 2012, 9:29:42 AM4/17/12
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What kind of trike you got? How many speeds?
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 17, 2012, 9:29:56 AM4/17/12
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On Apr 16, 1:06 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
<nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 16, 11:25 am, Conscience <obama...@fraud.gov> wrote:
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> > On 2012-04-15 22:02:43 -0700, little turtle <@stream.il> said:
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> >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
> > Man,
>
> > > I don't know what you are smoking but I'd give it up before your brain
> > > falls out.
>
> > We certainly know who has the issue here. Darwinism will eventually win-out.
>
> You are wrong. The worms eventually win over the best predators.
>
> But can we learn our lessons or can we blame it all on Darwinism?
> http://www.floridainjurylawyer-blog.com/2012/02/police-are-usually-ca...
I don't expect people to make these connections, but Zimmerman had a
weapon but not a license to kill, and drivers, well cars are a weapon
and they got a license to kill.
Remember, everything is connected in the jungle, but it takes a Wise
Man to find those connections. Drive responsibly.
<nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 16, 11:25 am, Conscience <obama...@fraud.gov> wrote:
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> > On 2012-04-15 22:02:43 -0700, little turtle <@stream.il> said:
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> > > On 4/15/2012 9:00 PM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
> > >> Don't ask me about the morality of it. It's all about survival. I must
> > >> ride on sidewalk like everybody else in the middle of this bike
> > >> sharing program. I don't know if it's that way in Paris or London, but
> > >> that's reality here. I figure that on average I have five near misses
> > >> with pedestrians and two with cars every single outing. Today I almost
> > >> hit a child that must have been daydreaming. Elderly people really
> > >> worry me since they can hardly afford to have a broken bone. Couples
> > >> blocking my way patiently step aside. Some give me a dirty look. I
> > >> wished they understood I don't want to be there. Cars, on the other
> > >> hand, just ignore me when they go in/out of driveways as if they lived
> > >> in a bubble. We are all taking gambles, and the odds are against the
> > >> weak. Is everybody willing participant?
>
> > >> Is there a solution or are people zombies? Do we have the living dead
> > >> walking among us? That's a scary thought. But that's only my humble
> > >> opinion.
>
> > >>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Zombies_Nightofthe...
> > > On 4/15/2012 9:00 PM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
> > >> Don't ask me about the morality of it. It's all about survival. I must
> > >> ride on sidewalk like everybody else in the middle of this bike
> > >> sharing program. I don't know if it's that way in Paris or London, but
> > >> that's reality here. I figure that on average I have five near misses
> > >> with pedestrians and two with cars every single outing. Today I almost
> > >> hit a child that must have been daydreaming. Elderly people really
> > >> worry me since they can hardly afford to have a broken bone. Couples
> > >> blocking my way patiently step aside. Some give me a dirty look. I
> > >> wished they understood I don't want to be there. Cars, on the other
> > >> hand, just ignore me when they go in/out of driveways as if they lived
> > >> in a bubble. We are all taking gambles, and the odds are against the
> > >> weak. Is everybody willing participant?
>
> > >> Is there a solution or are people zombies? Do we have the living dead
> > >> walking among us? That's a scary thought. But that's only my humble
> > >> opinion.
>
>
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
> > Man,
>
> > > I don't know what you are smoking but I'd give it up before your brain
> > > falls out.
>
> > We certainly know who has the issue here. Darwinism will eventually win-out.
>
> You are wrong. The worms eventually win over the best predators.
>
> But can we learn our lessons or can we blame it all on Darwinism?
I don't expect people to make these connections, but Zimmerman had a
weapon but not a license to kill, and drivers, well cars are a weapon
and they got a license to kill.
Remember, everything is connected in the jungle, but it takes a Wise
Man to find those connections. Drive responsibly.
Rita
Apr 17, 2012, 1:26:01 PM4/17/12
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There are bike paths along the ocean. If you leave the Pacific
Beach area, however, you run into the freeways which surround
the neighborhood on 3 sides with the ocean on the 4th side.
I do not ride in traffic. Bikers who do are hit by cars -- not an
uncommon occurence.
>
>What kind of trike you got? How many speeds?
The bike itself is not an electric trike -- it is a Tristar
>What kind of trike you got? How many speeds?
and only one speed but that doesn't matter since I
had an electric motor put on it. There is a guy who
specializes in converting bikes to electric. He does a fine
job and if there are any problems comes and gets the trike
and fixes them.
The big basket over the two rear wheels hold a lot of
groceries -- three big paper bags filled to the brim.
bo peep
Apr 18, 2012, 11:40:24 AM4/18/12
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On Tuesday, April 17, 2012 11:26:01 AM UTC-6, Rita wrote:
> The big basket over the two rear wheels hold a lot of
> groceries -- three big paper bags filled to the brim.
Do you (and *how* do you) secure the bike from being stolen while inside the grocery store?
> The big basket over the two rear wheels hold a lot of
> groceries -- three big paper bags filled to the brim.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 19, 2012, 8:55:29 AM4/19/12
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path by the beach?
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 19, 2012, 9:51:43 AM4/19/12
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Incidents from the wild side while riding bike on sidewalk:
My girlfriend almost hit two cyclists while driving out of this blind
driveway, but they were riding fast, against traffic. Stupidity of the
system that forces people to ride in this area is to blame. We must
ride there all the time.
I was riding on sidewalk, but car was blocking sidewalk and I rode
momentarily on the road. Driver of little Toyota blasts the horn
unconcerned about my predicament. I don't know why idiots choose
Toyotas.
My favorite: Lady coming out of Christian school with kid blocks
sidewalk unconcerned about me waiting for her to move. It must have
being like 3 minutes and she didn't make an effort to apologize. Am I
a monkey? Where's her Christian faith?
When will cars be ticketed or towed away for blocking sidewalk? Some
of us are selfish predators that deserve punishment, but the system
puts us in direct conflict. WE SHOULD NOT RIDE ON SIDEWALK.
My girlfriend almost hit two cyclists while driving out of this blind
driveway, but they were riding fast, against traffic. Stupidity of the
system that forces people to ride in this area is to blame. We must
ride there all the time.
I was riding on sidewalk, but car was blocking sidewalk and I rode
momentarily on the road. Driver of little Toyota blasts the horn
unconcerned about my predicament. I don't know why idiots choose
Toyotas.
My favorite: Lady coming out of Christian school with kid blocks
sidewalk unconcerned about me waiting for her to move. It must have
being like 3 minutes and she didn't make an effort to apologize. Am I
a monkey? Where's her Christian faith?
When will cars be ticketed or towed away for blocking sidewalk? Some
of us are selfish predators that deserve punishment, but the system
puts us in direct conflict. WE SHOULD NOT RIDE ON SIDEWALK.
Rita
Apr 19, 2012, 10:00:58 AM4/19/12
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have a very heavy cable to secure the trike to the bike rack.
I live in an area where bicycling is very common and most merchants
take note of them. If a store doesn't have a bike rack there is
usually a metal street sign on the curb to use. I would not leave
the bike unsecured while shopping. This is Southern California where
thankfully lots of people use bikes as transportation.
Rita
Apr 19, 2012, 10:13:39 AM4/19/12
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my area. There is a map you can get of how bike paths connect
throughout the city. You may have to ride on streets for a
distance to get from one bike path to another. And sometimes
it is quite roundabout to avoid the freeways. I ride only in my
own area where I don't have to get out on any streets. Younger
riders than me don't mind getting into some traffic. I avoid it.
Here is a photo of a bike path along the ocean close to my home:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/PacificBeach1.jpg/220px-PacificBeach1.jpg
bo peep
Apr 19, 2012, 11:44:15 AM4/19/12
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On Thursday, April 19, 2012 7:51:43 AM UTC-6, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
> When will cars be ticketed or towed away for blocking sidewalk?
When you promptly report them to the police. Did you report this recent blocking incident to the police? If not, how did you expect the police to know about the problem? Do you believe that the police are psychic?
> When will cars be ticketed or towed away for blocking sidewalk?
Anyone spending time out on the streets and/or sidewalks should carry a cellphone for emergencies. A Tracfone costs less than $7/month for moderate use.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 19, 2012, 12:55:31 PM4/19/12
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call 911? Wouldn't they laugh at me?
bo peep
Apr 19, 2012, 3:06:52 PM4/19/12
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On Thursday, April 19, 2012 10:55:31 AM UTC-6, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
> I expect them to be driving around and noticing these things.
By your own account, that doesn't seem to be getting the job done so far. Also, the cops don't care what you "expect" of them.
> I expect them to be driving around and noticing these things.
> Should I call 911?
No - 911 is only for emergencies. A blocked sidewalk is usually not an emergency. Police departments *invariably* have special phone numbers for non-emergency calls from the public. Program your cell phone with your local police non-emergency number. You can get the number from a phone book or the net.
> Wouldn't they laugh at me?
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 22, 2012, 2:14:31 PM4/22/12
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It sounds like you can have space for a slow bike or trike, but you
would run into trouble elsewhere.
Just coming here now. I'm walking my slow bike across the street and
the lady driver is blocking my path and looking the other way. If I
take take a step in front of her, I'm taking a gamble. So I knock on
her hood to make sure she sees me and proceed. Then she calls me back,
"Sir, why you do that?" I go, "Well see, I only got this one life and
I want to make sure you see me. You want to call the police?" The
argument goes back and forth and she says as partying shot, "Well, I
hope you have a nice day, sir." The irony is that I need it with
drivers like hers.
We have many problems presented in the above paragraph:
1- Drivers are routinely blocking pedestrian crossings,
2- They are incapable of being polite and saying "sorry,"
3- They are looking for trouble.
But I'm not looking for trouble. I'm trying to have to a nice day with
my new chihuahua. His name is Tequila.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_EfL9MSwPQaA/TB80vV7gFaI/AAAAAAAAAY0/bN2b7Lqv568/s1600/chihuahua.JPG
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 22, 2012, 2:19:46 PM4/22/12
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On Apr 19, 11:44 am, bo peep <cowartmi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
gone. And there's the possibility that the driver sees me and chases
me around. They do it routinely because they can get away with it. I
saw more cars blocking sidewalk in the same area next to a body shop.
I don't want to play VIGILANTE like Zimmerman.
Toci
Apr 22, 2012, 4:59:06 PM4/22/12
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On Apr 22, 1:19 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
Actually, as a common pedestrian, I often come across drivers who feel
I shouldn't exist, either. I strongly suspect they're the same
drivers who give bicyclists trouble. Toci
I shouldn't exist, either. I strongly suspect they're the same
drivers who give bicyclists trouble. Toci
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 24, 2012, 7:22:09 PM4/24/12
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off the sidewalk. I was at this bakery and this old cowboy (hat and
all) parked his big truck in a spot designed for cars, which made the
next cyclist to come along to walk his bicycle around. He ordered a
bunch of crackers and left without any awareness of the conflict he
created. Funny thing is he had a handicap permit to allow him to have
preferential treatment.
Everything is upside-down in a place where the humble struggle to
survive and the predator pretends to be weak.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
May 1, 2012, 3:07:21 PM5/1/12
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On Apr 15, 9:00 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
It is said "happiness is a beach cruiser," but not when you can bump
into pedestrians. I hit my first pedestrian today as I rode down the
sidewalk, and the pedestrian came out of nowhere. Nothing really
serious but she was visibly shaken, and I offered no appologies since
that's the only place for me to ride a bike.
I remember saying something about us "being on top of each other,"
which I hope our masters someday will remember. When you mix different
species together sooner or later something happens. It's not a happy
cohabitation. It actually leads to conflicts and accidents.
Perhaps our engineers are stupid and don't notice these things, but
I'm here to remind them. I'm the first philosopher not to be "up in
clouds" and rather offer practical solutions.
I vaguely mentioned my campaign "Welcome to the Jungle" to the
affected lady but I don't think she registered. Perhaps she's not
lucky as you are. And what about if it had been an old lady? I just
want to dismiss that thought.
TO BE CONTINUED --OR NOT.
<comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Don't ask me about the morality of it. It's all about survival. I must
> ride on sidewalk like everybody else in the middle of this bike
> sharing program. I don't know if it's that way in Paris or London, but
> that's reality here. I figure that on average I have five near misses
> with pedestrians and two with cars every single outing. Today I almost
> hit a child that must have been daydreaming. Elderly people really
> worry me since they can hardly afford to have a broken bone. Couples
> blocking my way patiently step aside. Some give me a dirty look. I
> wished they understood I don't want to be there. Cars, on the other
> hand, just ignore me when they go in/out of driveways as if they lived
> in a bubble. We are all taking gambles, and the odds are against the
> weak. Is everybody willing participant?
>
> Is there a solution or are people zombies? Do we have the living dead
> walking among us? That's a scary thought. But that's only my humble
> opinion.
>
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Zombies_Nightofthe...
> Don't ask me about the morality of it. It's all about survival. I must
> ride on sidewalk like everybody else in the middle of this bike
> sharing program. I don't know if it's that way in Paris or London, but
> that's reality here. I figure that on average I have five near misses
> with pedestrians and two with cars every single outing. Today I almost
> hit a child that must have been daydreaming. Elderly people really
> worry me since they can hardly afford to have a broken bone. Couples
> blocking my way patiently step aside. Some give me a dirty look. I
> wished they understood I don't want to be there. Cars, on the other
> hand, just ignore me when they go in/out of driveways as if they lived
> in a bubble. We are all taking gambles, and the odds are against the
> weak. Is everybody willing participant?
>
> Is there a solution or are people zombies? Do we have the living dead
> walking among us? That's a scary thought. But that's only my humble
> opinion.
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
It is said "happiness is a beach cruiser," but not when you can bump
into pedestrians. I hit my first pedestrian today as I rode down the
sidewalk, and the pedestrian came out of nowhere. Nothing really
serious but she was visibly shaken, and I offered no appologies since
that's the only place for me to ride a bike.
I remember saying something about us "being on top of each other,"
which I hope our masters someday will remember. When you mix different
species together sooner or later something happens. It's not a happy
cohabitation. It actually leads to conflicts and accidents.
Perhaps our engineers are stupid and don't notice these things, but
I'm here to remind them. I'm the first philosopher not to be "up in
clouds" and rather offer practical solutions.
I vaguely mentioned my campaign "Welcome to the Jungle" to the
affected lady but I don't think she registered. Perhaps she's not
lucky as you are. And what about if it had been an old lady? I just
want to dismiss that thought.
TO BE CONTINUED --OR NOT.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
May 3, 2012, 2:29:22 PM5/3/12
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On May 1, 8:53 pm, Wes Groleau <Groleau+n...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> On 05-01-2012 15:18, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> Philosopher wrote:
> > I don't know the specifics of this street, but it sounds like the bike
> > lanes we have around here and don't connect anywhere. They are perhaps
>
> I had to see a dermatologist, and all of them are on the opposite side
> of the city. GoogleMaps' bicycling route had FORTY turn/merge/etc. points.
>
> Auto instructions, nine.
>
> Heck with it, I'll take the auto route.
>
> I got rid of my car two years ago, and I've been all over the county,
> Seems I make the same decision every time I go anywhere. The only time
> I didn't, I was fifteen minutes late to an important meeting.
>
> On the bright side, there seems to be far fewer "evil idiot" motorists
> than some folks would have us believe. Yes, there are a noticeable
> number of idiots, but today is the only time in these two years
> that I encountered one who was evil. (And "evil" is an exaggeration--
> he just laid on his horn for about ten seconds because I was blocking
> almost five percent of HIS road.)
>
> I also spent two years without a car in San Diego--with a thirteen-mile
> commute to work--and never encountered an attitude problem either.
This dilemma of evil/idiot is always nagging me. If we let them get
away with "idiot," who's evil then? I don't think anyone can be more
evil than a driver harassing a cyclist that occupies 5% of "his" road,
but I find them with too much frequency. I think they tend to spoil
every trip that I do on the road even though they represent a small
minority. They try to intimidate or terrorize cyclists, so they may
qualify for that title. Just that they are terrorists without a cause.
"Natural Born Killers" is another title and they do kill a cyclist for
the hell of it in the movie. They do have a License to Kill, which
helps their killing instincts take over.
> On 05-01-2012 15:18, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> Philosopher wrote:
> > I don't know the specifics of this street, but it sounds like the bike
> > lanes we have around here and don't connect anywhere. They are perhaps
>
> I had to see a dermatologist, and all of them are on the opposite side
> of the city. GoogleMaps' bicycling route had FORTY turn/merge/etc. points.
>
> Auto instructions, nine.
>
> Heck with it, I'll take the auto route.
>
> I got rid of my car two years ago, and I've been all over the county,
> Seems I make the same decision every time I go anywhere. The only time
> I didn't, I was fifteen minutes late to an important meeting.
>
> On the bright side, there seems to be far fewer "evil idiot" motorists
> than some folks would have us believe. Yes, there are a noticeable
> number of idiots, but today is the only time in these two years
> that I encountered one who was evil. (And "evil" is an exaggeration--
> he just laid on his horn for about ten seconds because I was blocking
> almost five percent of HIS road.)
>
> I also spent two years without a car in San Diego--with a thirteen-mile
> commute to work--and never encountered an attitude problem either.
This dilemma of evil/idiot is always nagging me. If we let them get
away with "idiot," who's evil then? I don't think anyone can be more
evil than a driver harassing a cyclist that occupies 5% of "his" road,
but I find them with too much frequency. I think they tend to spoil
every trip that I do on the road even though they represent a small
minority. They try to intimidate or terrorize cyclists, so they may
qualify for that title. Just that they are terrorists without a cause.
"Natural Born Killers" is another title and they do kill a cyclist for
the hell of it in the movie. They do have a License to Kill, which
helps their killing instincts take over.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
May 6, 2012, 3:05:42 PM5/6/12
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>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OByPf1fTZ0
>
> I hope those putzes in the next lane haven't seen that!
The Media plays a role in the search for the ratings. A healthy
cyclist is not news as much as a dead cyclist is. One of the worst
"vultures" around is Channel 7 which happens to be right on the worst
road to ride a bicycle in Miami, which also happens to be the most
scenic. They play a major role in planting FEAR while ignoring the
news worth investigating. For example, this same road is ALWAYS under
construction as if a lot of corruption is going on. But that's only my
humble opinion.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
May 6, 2012, 3:15:53 PM5/6/12
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> on a *sidewalk*, and refuses even to apologize on the hypocritical
> grounds that he is himself terrorized by motor vehicle drivers.
> A waste of skin, some might say. Lower than the fleas that infest his
> hide.
They should apologize to me. I'm smarter than them in using a bike
while I go around looking for support for a solution, even if it means
NO BIKES ON SIDEWALK. They are so pitiful that they don't even notice
the sidewalks in disrepair while a monkey on a bike must do their job.
Actually I think we should have a few cyclists looking for broken and
dangerous sidewalks. Some of them can be deadly to the handicapped
and nobody ever care. Smart elderly people on a trike are particularly
at risk of taking advantage of the wheel.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
May 9, 2012, 10:51:51 AM5/9/12
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On May 8, 5:53 pm, Radey Shouman <shou...@comcast.net> wrote:
> John B. <johnbsloc...@gmail.com> writes:
> > On Mon, 07 May 2012 23:40:01 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
> > <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>
> >>On 5/7/2012 7:51 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>> I see. It is logical for bicycles to travel on sidewalks (foot paths)
> >>> when there is no room elsewhere. But isn't it equally logical for
> >>> motorcycles to use the sidewalks when there is no other room
> >>> available? And for that matter, why can't automobiles to use the
> >>> sidewalks when there is no other room?[...]
>
> >>Well, the sidewalk can be a good place to park a scooter.
>
> > there you go. Park all them damned scooters on the sidewalk and there
> > won't be room to ride your bike.
>
> Where I live many cars and trucks are parked on the sidewalk. It's
> damned annoying.
Same here. I wonder why they can get away with it. It must be that the
pedestrians are not paying attention. Notice that I never said they
are stupid.
> John B. <johnbsloc...@gmail.com> writes:
> > On Mon, 07 May 2012 23:40:01 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
> > <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>
> >>On 5/7/2012 7:51 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>> I see. It is logical for bicycles to travel on sidewalks (foot paths)
> >>> when there is no room elsewhere. But isn't it equally logical for
> >>> motorcycles to use the sidewalks when there is no other room
> >>> available? And for that matter, why can't automobiles to use the
> >>> sidewalks when there is no other room?[...]
>
> >>Well, the sidewalk can be a good place to park a scooter.
>
> > there you go. Park all them damned scooters on the sidewalk and there
> > won't be room to ride your bike.
>
> Where I live many cars and trucks are parked on the sidewalk. It's
> damned annoying.
Same here. I wonder why they can get away with it. It must be that the
pedestrians are not paying attention. Notice that I never said they
are stupid.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
May 9, 2012, 11:05:51 AM5/9/12
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On May 8, 11:36 pm, John B. <johnbsloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 8 May 2012 13:42:22 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Cruiser Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> The sidewalk is provided for pedestrians; on it they have the absolute
> >> >> >> right of way. If you run into a pedestrian on the sidewalk you are, by
> >> >> >> definition, at fault, and should at the *very* least humbly and
> >> >> >> sincerely beg for pardon. Were it up to me I wouldn't think a few days
> >> >> >> in jail would be out of line.
>
> >> >> >> Obey the golden rule: do unto pedestrians as you would have drivers do
> >> >> >> unto you.
>
> >> >> > I apologize to drivers when I make a stupid mistake. She came from
> >> >> > behind a wall without looking, and if I apologized I would share some
> >> >> > of the blame. I was riding nice and slow, so I share no blame.
>
> >> >> > We are two idiots that bumped into each other in the great scheme of
> >> >> > things.
>
> >> >> If you would not have bumped into her had you been a pedestrian, you are
> >> >> at fault. If you did more damage than you would have had you been a
> >> >> pedestrian, you are at fault. If you were anything like a decent human
> >> >> being you would have apologized in any case.
>
> >> > But we are not human beings around here. We are all animals fighting
> >> > for space and survival.
>
> >> Even a monkey can be something like a decent human being. Your choice,
> >> I guess.
>
> >Guess what would happen if you give a bunch a bananas to a bunch of
> >monkeys?
>
> >They would fight because resources are limited. In this case the
> >sidewalk is the limited resource. It's our "masters" fault. Look no
> >further.
>
> Our "Master's fault". With an attitude like that. I am assuming that
> your mother still spoon feeds you as obviously it would be an unfair
> burden on you to actually reach out a hand and do something for your
> self.
Sorry, we DO have masters. Whatever we do is their design. They use
ADVERTISING and INTIMIDATION to have us driving trucks not bicyles. We
are different species on top of each other, fighting for survival and
space.
A good master doesn't mix rats and mice.
> On Tue, 8 May 2012 13:42:22 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
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>
> Cruiser Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On May 7, 11:24 pm, Radey Shouman <shou...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> >> <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> writes:
> >> "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> >> > On May 7, 10:57 am, Radey Shouman <shou...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> >> "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> >> >> <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> writes:
> >> >> "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> >> >> >> right of way. If you run into a pedestrian on the sidewalk you are, by
> >> >> >> definition, at fault, and should at the *very* least humbly and
> >> >> >> sincerely beg for pardon. Were it up to me I wouldn't think a few days
> >> >> >> in jail would be out of line.
>
> >> >> >> Obey the golden rule: do unto pedestrians as you would have drivers do
> >> >> >> unto you.
>
> >> >> > I apologize to drivers when I make a stupid mistake. She came from
> >> >> > behind a wall without looking, and if I apologized I would share some
> >> >> > of the blame. I was riding nice and slow, so I share no blame.
>
> >> >> > We are two idiots that bumped into each other in the great scheme of
> >> >> > things.
>
> >> >> If you would not have bumped into her had you been a pedestrian, you are
> >> >> at fault. If you did more damage than you would have had you been a
> >> >> pedestrian, you are at fault. If you were anything like a decent human
> >> >> being you would have apologized in any case.
>
> >> > But we are not human beings around here. We are all animals fighting
> >> > for space and survival.
>
> >> Even a monkey can be something like a decent human being. Your choice,
> >> I guess.
>
> >Guess what would happen if you give a bunch a bananas to a bunch of
> >monkeys?
>
> >They would fight because resources are limited. In this case the
> >sidewalk is the limited resource. It's our "masters" fault. Look no
> >further.
>
> Our "Master's fault". With an attitude like that. I am assuming that
> your mother still spoon feeds you as obviously it would be an unfair
> burden on you to actually reach out a hand and do something for your
> self.
Sorry, we DO have masters. Whatever we do is their design. They use
ADVERTISING and INTIMIDATION to have us driving trucks not bicyles. We
are different species on top of each other, fighting for survival and
space.
A good master doesn't mix rats and mice.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
May 13, 2012, 12:11:30 PM5/13/12
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On May 12, 12:09 am, Wes Groleau <Groleau+n...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> On 05-07-2012 14:31, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> > You questioned my statement that roads are "no man's land" by
> > comparing Miami and San Diego. People ride on sidewalks here because
> > there's no other way. I want to point that often I ride on roads when
> > conditions are right, but not blindly.
>
> I mentioned "Here" (northeast Indiana) and San Diego. I could also
> mention that I obeyed the law riding in Tulsa, L.A., and Oregon--but
> those were in the 1960s and 1970s.
>
> People ride on sidewalks here, too. But the doesn't make it right or
> smart. Even if it were legal, I wouldn't do it, since the sidewalks are
> not maintained.
I agree with that, but we often find ourselves between a rock and a
hard place. Yes you can get hurt on sidewalks, yes you can hurt
people, yes you can hit a pole or signpost, yes you must struggle with
cars at every intersection and driveway, yes you may hit a bump on
sidewalks that are in disrepair, yes you may have to negotiate your
way around garbage cans, yes you may have to deal with dogs, but THE
ROAD (I'm talking about Collins Ave from Miami Beach to Hollywood and
adjacent causeways) remains NO MAN'S LAND.
And that's in the middle of bike sharing program similar to Paris and
London.
> On 05-07-2012 14:31, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> > You questioned my statement that roads are "no man's land" by
> > comparing Miami and San Diego. People ride on sidewalks here because
> > there's no other way. I want to point that often I ride on roads when
> > conditions are right, but not blindly.
>
> I mentioned "Here" (northeast Indiana) and San Diego. I could also
> mention that I obeyed the law riding in Tulsa, L.A., and Oregon--but
> those were in the 1960s and 1970s.
>
> People ride on sidewalks here, too. But the doesn't make it right or
> smart. Even if it were legal, I wouldn't do it, since the sidewalks are
> not maintained.
I agree with that, but we often find ourselves between a rock and a
hard place. Yes you can get hurt on sidewalks, yes you can hurt
people, yes you can hit a pole or signpost, yes you must struggle with
cars at every intersection and driveway, yes you may hit a bump on
sidewalks that are in disrepair, yes you may have to negotiate your
way around garbage cans, yes you may have to deal with dogs, but THE
ROAD (I'm talking about Collins Ave from Miami Beach to Hollywood and
adjacent causeways) remains NO MAN'S LAND.
And that's in the middle of bike sharing program similar to Paris and
London.
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