Illegal Aliens - Not
Patscga
country illegally. The Chamber of Commerce heartily endorses the plan. When
you are not a citizen and do something illegal, I thought you were deported,
not welcomed. Am I missing something? (Beside the election, that is.)
Pat
Andy in Fink
"Patscga" <pat...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Bush is doing that in order to glean votes from the Hispanic
community, which supports annexing the United States into
Mexico.....
If this measure passes, he will lose my vote. And I supported
him up to now.
The prisons in Texas (and other border states) are full of
"hard working Mexicans" who sneaked into the country and
found they could make a lot of money by selling drugs.
Our health clinics are overflowing with Spanish speakers who
aren't required to pay for treatement.... I have seen this first hand
when I went for a flu shot, which cost me $20 but was free to
Mexicans.
I am pissed off about this. And, I suspect, there are a few
others who feel the same way...
I will also vote AGAINST any politician who votes positively on
this issue, and I don't care what party he is in......
Andy in Fink, Texas
bist...@earthlink.net
their skin is darker than yours.
These are wonderful hard working people who have terrific families and
family values. They do the hard work that whites don't care to do.
I welcome them and the President gets my vote and he surely was not
going to do so previously.
You can afford your flu shot...these poor people have nothing. You need
to learn to love and to share.
Matt
Robert Morrisette
breakers. It is a myth that whites won't do these jobs. Employers should be
fined for hiring illegals and start paying decent wages for these jobs.
Illegals should not be allowed in colleges while citizens are held out. If
illegals get drivers licenses in CA, it will be very simple to vote and you
know for what party.
Sabu
<bist...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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barbara
Bush on this matter. Barbara
Gordon
>As usual someone has to play the race card. Illegals are here as law
>breakers. It is a myth that whites won't do these jobs.
You illustrious President disagrees with you, and what he says - goes!
--
Gordon
Gordon
>I agree with Andy. My family will not vote for anyone who agrees with
>Bush on this matter. Barbara
>
men still being killed off two by two, yet they object to a few thousand
Mexes being allowed to stay and do your dirty jobs for you?
--
Gordon
bist...@earthlink.net
If
> illegals get drivers licenses in CA, it will be very simple to vote and you
> know for what party.
I believe it is President Bush is the one proposing opening the border
to our brown brothers and sisters.
The current governor has an agreement with President Bush to see that
the previous law that allowed drivers licenses is renewed and placed
back in law as it should be.
Everyone here should have a drivers license what better way to know who
is here and not here.
This is a very small world.
I wasn't going to vote for President Bush but now he has my whole
families vote.
Matt
bist...@earthlink.net
this matter. The amnesty is long overdue.
He has the votes of our very large family.
Matt
bist...@earthlink.net
Andy in Fink
"Gordon" <Gor...@g3snx.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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Not true. In this country the President can only "propose" laws, and
it is up to our Senate, and House of Representatives, to both, separately,
pass it into law. Then the President can sign it or veto it, depending on
how much crap was added during the dealmaking.
I think this is probably a political ploy so that Bush can say he
supported immigration, knowing full well that it may never pass.
Most of the things done in this country are done in this manner -- purely
political. Our president has only limited powere --- he cannot declare
war, for instance. That can only come from the House and Senate...
He does have a line item veto, tho. He can STOP new things from
happening, but he cannot snap his fingers and bring them into being.....
\
Probably different in England.....
Andy in Fink
Andy in Fink
<bist...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> their skin is darker than yours.
> These are wonderful hard working people who have terrific families and
> family values. They do the hard work that whites don't care to do.
> I welcome them and the President gets my vote and he surely was not
> going to do so previously.
> You can afford your flu shot...these poor people have nothing. You need
> to learn to love and to share.
> Matt
>
> Andy in Fink wrote:
Are you talking about the Mexicans who came to this country and followed
all the rules and are vigorous contributers to the nation, or are you
talking
about the ones that came here illegally and started holding up convenience
stores, shooting policemen, and selling drugs that are filling up our
prisons...??.
Andy in Fink, Texas
By the way, Mexicans are not a "race". I've seen many blue-eyed, white
skinned, red headed Mexicans. Your comment about our "brown brothers"
is derrogatory and degrading to them..... It shows you live in the North,
are a Democrat Liberal, and are probably attending Harvard....
Andy in Fink
There are over 10 million undocumented, illegal Mexicans in the US.
Because they are in the US, and have no money, they are given
free, unlimited medical care , among other things...
Does England have a similar problem ?
Andy in Fink, Texas
By the way, you have no way of knowing how a US citizen is
treated if he/she goes into Mexico and breaks a law or gets sick.
If we treated the Mexicans the same way the Mex people treated us,
there would be huge, million dollar jury awards for "abusing civil
rights".
I've spent a lot of time in Mexico and have experienced a lot of
things first hand. It is a scummy little country with an ingrained
system of corruption, torture, and bribery. I don't want any
of their criminals in my state. Those that follow the rules, and
there are millions who do, are welcome.....
Patricia
> Very odd. Folk don't mind being led into an unnecessary war, with good
> men still being killed off two by two, yet they object to a few thousand
> Mexes being allowed to stay and do your dirty jobs for you?
> --
============
Hi, Gordon -
You seem to think that EVERY American is gung ho about this
war..... well,I think you're wrong.
I'm sure there are many people who wish it had never started.
Maybe the same people who wish that the many acts of terrorism
done over the years in many countries had never occurred.
I'm sure that those who lost loved ones that awful day in
September might have a few things to say on the subject as well.
You seem to think that it's "a few thousand" illegals....wrong
again. If you're really interested in the actual number of
illegal aliens we have in the US..I'm sure you can find an
educated guess on the numbers somewhere on the net. No one really
knows for sure.
And NO ONE .... does any dirty jobs for me.
We do have a gardener (white, born in England and runs his own
small business) who is paid very well to do the things we can no
longer do ourselves.
Some day I may even tell you what I think of Liz and the
kids....8-)
Naw...I couldn't be that rude. (G)
--
Patricia
Florida-USA
Patricia
> There are over 10 million undocumented, illegal Mexicans in the US.
> Because they are in the US, and have no money, they are given
> free, unlimited medical care , among other things...
>
> Does England have a similar problem ?
A friend in England carps weekly about the problems in her area
with "packies".
Ask Gordon what "Packie Bashing" is....you might be surprised.
--
Patricia
Florida-USA
Daisy
their skin is darker than yours.
These are wonderful hard working people who have terrific families and
family values. They do the hard work that whites don't care to do. I
welcome them and the President gets my vote and he surely was not going
to do so previously.
You can afford your flu shot...these poor people have nothing. You need
to learn to love and to share.
Matt
I liked you better <yesterday> when you
were screaming anti-Bush epithets.
bist...@earthlink.net
with your local white trash.
bist...@earthlink.net
bist...@earthlink.net
Lots of Asians, Canadians, and Europeans but after all they can pass.
Fay
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> Too bad you have no concern for your brothers and sisters just because
> their skin is darker than yours.
> These are wonderful hard working people who have terrific families and
> family values. They do the hard work that whites don't care to do.
> I welcome them and the President gets my vote and he surely was not
> going to do so previously.
> You can afford your flu shot...these poor people have nothing. You
> need to learn to love and to share.
> Matt
>
The ones in Texas don't work. The sell durgs, steal cars and suck the
hospitals and schools dry.
Daisy
jungl...@hotmail.com (Andy in Fink)
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barbara <ddj...@webtv.net> wrote
I agree with Andy. My family will not vote for anyone who agrees
with Bush on this matter. Barbara
Very odd. Folk don't mind being led into an unnecessary war, with good
men still being killed off two by two, yet they object to a few thousand
Mexes being allowed to stay and do your dirty jobs for you?
--
Gordon
There are over 10 million undocumented, illegal Mexicans in the US.
Because they are in the US, and have no money, they are given free,
unlimited medical care , among other things...
Does England have a similar problem ?
Andy
in Fink, Texas
Ahhh -- but they do.
He stands there in dirty clothes, suitcase in
his hand and his eyes dart from one little
white card to another on a message board
filled with announcements of jobs for the
newly arrived immigrant without the proper
papers. He needs a job and a place to live.
This place is well-known to many people
thoughout Europe and Africa and is called
in the U.K. -- The Wailing Wall.
Immigrants coming into the U.K.w/o proper
papers are often brought before an immigration official by his "coyote"
who then takes those papers away from him to use again on another
illegal. W/O documents he knows he may soon be headed back home. So, he
avoids being discovered, looking for a place to stay for a few days,
hoping to find a job, with wages paid under the table, hiding from the
authorities.
Large numbers of Poles enter the
U.K. every year to do seasonal work, especially in the building and
agricultural sectors.(Just as
happens in the U.S of A.)
There are plenty of overstayers, and those
out to live off the British state by deceit.
Interviewee D - A Kurd from Turkey who
came across to the U.K. from France, and
is a rejected asylum seeker facing removal.
He applied for asylum in France where his
application was not granted. He then came
to England. He was one of 50 asylum seekers
in France involved in a hunger strike. He was
I.D.d as a ring leader and told he could stay, but without benefits and
he would have no
right to work or freedom of movement. --
(The French are no softies, either.)
In America we give our illegal aliens
a place to live, utilities paid, Food stanps,
float them a loan so they may open up a
business, send them to school, college,
take care of their medical problems,
deliver all their babies, and cater to their
vote, VOTE?? They aren't even citizens
and we treat them like little darlings. I
think there is a serious brain deficiency
in Washington and it's time we had a
complete change of management.
Finished my grocery shopping and
looking forward to resting on the bench
out front of the market, when I found
the bench occupied by two fat young
mexican ladies, each with a super duper
stroller filled with tiny babies, and between
the gals on the bench were two enormous
pizzas, one for EACH. They thought the
bench was a pcnic table!! Another woman
exited the market. When she took in the
scene, she told those gals to "pick up and
get out." They moved, and fast!! Such is
life in Bush's Mexicali country.
.....................
Daisy
Erica Visser
US?
Andy in Fink heeft geschreven in bericht ...
Andy in Fink
<bist...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> You must have the Mexicans you have described and misunderstood confused
> with your local white trash.
> Matt
Not at all. I am the local white trash. And I am not Mexican.
Yo creo que ustedes es un pendejo grande !!!!
Good luck on your second semester.......
Andy
Andy in Fink
"Patricia" <rsc...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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Andy writes:
Good on ya' mate !!!
I don't like the war either, but, once we have committed our country
and men, I will not do one thing to hamper our progress or encourage
our enemy, like Jane Fonda did regarding Viet Nam.
It seems that , overseas, all Americans are the same.
Islam wants to kill us all, even the ones who are Moslems.
About half the Brits think all Yanks started the war, even the ones
who protest against it.
Most of the French.... well, who gives a damn what most of the
French think ????
No, we are all painted with a broad brush. Just like some folks
paint all Mexican as either hard working family types, or filthy
scum filling up the prisons.
No point in trying to convince them otherwise, and, besides, they
are "all" starting to look very French to me......
I will only criticize Bush regarding his domestic policies, and not much
even then, tho my vote may actually be the deciding one in the
next election ---- unless Jackass Dean decides to run. Then there
is no point vote since there will be no contest anyway.. in my opinion.
Regarding undocumented workers.\
Yes, we have a LOT of undocumented Canadians, Asians, Chinese,
and even Europeans in the US. They don't cause trouble and just
work. Very very few ever get on the wrong side of the law. However
the Mexicans were raised in another culture, and it doesn't seem to
be a problem for many of them to switch sides. Our prisons
in the border towns are overcrowded, close to 50% are Mexican
nationals. Not for immigration violations. We just ship them
back across the border. They are in prison for rapes, murders,
robberies, and drugs. They are BAD MEXICANS.
How do you know a good Mexican from a bad Mexican?
Easy.
The good ones have not broken the law...... the bad ones have.
Andy in Fink, Texas
Patscga
>their skin is darker than yours.
Nonsense. You assume prejudice even though you don't know how dark my skin is!
Pat
Patscga
>US?
I can document back further than g-grandparents. My genetic ancestors came
from Germany, Ireland, Scotland and England. And none broke the law by coming
or staying here illegally. Why do you ask?
Pat
Olly Mensch
understand Bush's rationale behind this, except that I am sure it is
commercial, and will benefit many businesses - - but is it fair?? This
would be one legislation I disagree with strongly.
Which brings to mind an old memory (and Gordon, please, no comment,
regarding old and memories :-) ---namely, when we were leaving Germany,
my Father asked the American Consul what boatline we had to take? The
Consul answered: If you want you can swim - - and smiled!!
Which is not related to the above topic, but, anyway------Olly
Olly Mensch
legislation. However, i doubt that it will pass. Why should the U.S.
open its arms to illegal entrants, who, most of the time, send much, if
not most, of their earnings back into their own country. And, to add
insult to injury, I read they might be granted S,S, rights and benefits
Incredible. What is he thinking??? I know what he is thinking - and
I usually agree with him - but not this time.
Olly
Olly Mensch
refuse to do those jobs; but those jobs are not available to whites,
since all the immigrants take them.
I am sure some have "wonderful families' as you suggested - bu I am also
sure that there are many elements among them which are highly
undesirable. Were they not, they would enter this country legally.
Olly
Olly Mensch
was justified.
2) the numbers of illegal Mexicans is probably far greater than you
surmised.
3) they do not do our "dirty" jobs for us; they take those jobs away
from us, based upon their shady entrance into our country.
I doubt Britain would handle it differently
Olly
Olly Mensch
able to, in my post to Gordon, what the real situation is here, in our
country, about both the Iraqi war and certainly the illegal entrants
from Mexico.====Olly
Fay
news:3ffd4faf$0$110$3a62...@reader1.nntp.hccnet.nl:
> Where did your (great-grand)parents come from, when they first came to
> the US?
>
None of my (great-grand)parent came to this country illegally. Many
Mexicans come to this country legally. Many break the law and come as
illegal aliens. They should not be rewarded for breaking our laws. What
part of this do you not understand?
Olly Mensch
bist...@earthlink.net
Spanish. But I guess to white trash trailer park types just know enough
words to get your beer and pork rinds.
Mabel Hudson
> and even Europeans in the US. They don't cause trouble and just
> work. Very very few ever get on the wrong side of the law. However
> the Mexicans were raised in another culture, and it doesn't seem to
> be a problem for many of them to switch sides. Our prisons
> in the border towns are overcrowded, close to 50% are Mexican
> nationals. Not for immigration violations. We just ship them
> back across the border. They are in prison for rapes, murders,
> robberies, and drugs. They are BAD MEXICANS.
>
> How do you know a good Mexican from a bad Mexican?
> Easy.
> The good ones have not broken the law...... the bad ones have.
>
> Andy in Fink, Texas
Mabel adds to that:
A fair enough answer. We even have a Mexican problem in Oklahoma, and
I am 600-700 miles north of the border.
Those that live in the Northern States have no concept of millions of
people sneaking across borders every year.
The US has extremely high unemployment, and our high school kids and
college kids can't even get jobs around here waiting tables or stacking
groceries since the Mexicans are given preference. No kidding. The local
Burger King and Macdonalds are staffed by Mexicans. That used to be a
mainstay for the kids to join the work force. Not possible anymore.
I suppose Britain has a problem with Pakistanis, but Britain has to
"fly" them in. No way to sneak over in significant numbers, thousands
every night. Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and California have a major
problem. A few Cubans coming into Miami in a bathtub a few times a
year is totally insignificant compared to the border states.
Canadians are, of course, a major US asset, and contribute greatly
to the standard of living in the US, ...... and raise the general
IQ of the population (grin).
Mabel, a Cannuck in Durant, Oklahoma
Mabel Hudson
> and even Europeans in the US. They don't cause trouble and just
> work. Very very few ever get on the wrong side of the law. However
> the Mexicans were raised in another culture, and it doesn't seem to
> be a problem for many of them to switch sides. Our prisons
> in the border towns are overcrowded, close to 50% are Mexican
> nationals. Not for immigration violations. We just ship them
> back across the border. They are in prison for rapes, murders,
> robberies, and drugs. They are BAD MEXICANS.
>
> How do you know a good Mexican from a bad Mexican?
> Easy.
> The good ones have not broken the law...... the bad ones have.
>
> Andy in Fink, Texas
Mabel adds to that:
bist...@earthlink.net
honkeys on welfare/medicaid than all the undocumented aliens in the state.
Check out your stats before you post lies about a hard working group of
people.
bist...@earthlink.net
The wonderful jobs that the gringos want have never been done by them
in all these years.
Stoop work picking all day in the fields. Picking grapes all day and
oranges and everything else you eat. There isn't a gringo who would
take that job if they were starving.
I don't see gringo women standing in line to get a job as house
cleaners. They will work at WalMart before doing house work.
How many gringos take jobs in nursing homes changing the diapers of the
old gringos. None!
You talk about jobs that not one gringo ever gets in line to take from
any poor Mexican.
There are fewer criminals within the Mexican community than in any other
community.
They are also very responsible to see that their children are educated
something gringos couldn't care a whit about.
bist...@earthlink.net
that have been taken over by Asian populations. There are horrible gang
problems with the Asians. They aren't nice and really do some pretty
wild things.
I would have no fear of living in the barrio of any city and would much
prefer that to living in the asian and other areas where the
canadians..esp the French version...they lie, steal, cheat and make
horrible neighbors. They are the Frenchified version of Gypsies
bist...@earthlink.net
Gordon
>> Robert Morrisette <writ...@worldnet.att.net> wrote
>>
>> >As usual someone has to play the race card. Illegals are here as law
>> >breakers. It is a myth that whites won't do these jobs.
>>
>> You illustrious President disagrees with you, and what he says - goes!
>> --
>> Gordon
>
>
>Not true. In this country the President can only "propose" laws, and
>it is up to our Senate, and House of Representatives, to both, separately,
>pass it into law. Then the President can sign it or veto it, depending on
>how much crap was added during the dealmaking.
>
>I think this is probably a political ploy so that Bush can say he
>supported immigration, knowing full well that it may never pass.
>
Yes, I had forgotten it is election year. Devious behaviour though...
>Most of the things done in this country are done in this manner -- purely
>political. Our president has only limited powere --- he cannot declare
>war, for instance. That can only come from the House and Senate...
>
In theory. In theory our Prime Minister needs the approval of
parliament, or usually seeks it, before starting a war.
>He does have a line item veto, tho. He can STOP new things from
>happening, but he cannot snap his fingers and bring them into being.....
>\
>Probably different in England.....
>
No, the theory is the same, but in practice everyone knows it was Bush
who started the Iraq war, and Blair went along with him even though
there was a large rebellion of his own MPs. He had to rely on
opposition votes to get approval.
--
Gordon
bist...@earthlink.net
the Native Americans. They killed, robbed, pillaged and raped anyone and
anything in sight.
Most of those leaving the UK were criminals sent here for their evil
deeds. The rest were people of ill will hoping to start slavery in any
form.
bist...@earthlink.net
Stole the land and all the rights from the Native.
Gordon
>That is a total untruth. The statistics show that there are far more
>honkeys on welfare/medicaid than all the undocumented aliens in the state.
>Check out your stats before you post lies about a hard working group of
>people.
>
tabloids who pander to the racist element.
--
Gordon
bist...@earthlink.net
Mexico's various states on your Social Security. This has been going on
since the 1940's and is well known.
The only answer is to open the borders and have free passage to all.
Gordon
>Andy in Fink wrote:
>> There are over 10 million undocumented, illegal Mexicans in the US.
>> Because they are in the US, and have no money, they are given
>> free, unlimited medical care , among other things...
>>
>> Does England have a similar problem ?
>
>A friend in England carps weekly about the problems in her area
>with "packies".
>
>Ask Gordon what "Packie Bashing" is....you might be surprised.
>
Yep, racism exists in Britain also, sad to say, but I do not refer to
Asians as Pakis. There are Right Wing elements, very unpleasant
characters, who have formed the BNP (British national Party), and is
some areas they have been elected in spite of their Neo-Nazi racist
stance. They have been responsible for racial attacks also, and are
much more to be feared than the Asians.
We are not proud of them, and hope they will fizzle out. :-(
--
Gordon
M8tey
wrote:
>barbara <ddj...@webtv.net> wrote
>>I agree with Andy. My family will not vote for anyone who agrees with
>>Bush on this matter. Barbara
>>
>Very odd. Folk don't mind being led into an unnecessary war, with good
>men still being killed off two by two, yet they object to a few thousand
>Mexes being allowed to stay and do your dirty jobs for you?
>--
>Gordon
Yet in the UK they quarantine animals for a long period before they
will let them in the country. They will take SOME precautions. Do you
prospose that the world not be an orderly place?
M8tey
wrote:
>Andy in Fink wrote:
>> There are over 10 million undocumented, illegal Mexicans in the US.
>> Because they are in the US, and have no money, they are given
>> free, unlimited medical care , among other things...
>>
>> Does England have a similar problem ?
>-----------
>
>A friend in England carps weekly about the problems in her area
>with "packies".
>
>Ask Gordon what "Packie Bashing" is....you might be surprised.
>
>
>--
>Patricia
>Florida-USA
And I've heard Brits talk about their resident Commonwealth members
throwing offal out the window onto the street.
Olly Mensch
It regarded rewarding illegal entrants to the U.S., with jobs and oher
benefits. No way!
Olly
Olly Mensch
Olly Mensch
we are decussing. Nothing devious abou it; he hopes it might pass. If
it does not, even the proposal will be impressive to the potential
immigrants. Yes, this is called politics - NOT devious behavior. No
more than whatever your politicians in England promise or plan when they
are candidates.
====you wrote:"In theory", regarding the necessary approval by he House
and Senate to pass any law. Why do you say in theory; this is simply a
fact. Do you know the workings of our Constitution better than we
do??====Olly
M8tey
>Of course they broke the law! They came here and stole the land from
>the Native Americans. They killed, robbed, pillaged and raped anyone and
>anything in sight.
>Most of those leaving the UK were criminals sent here for their evil
>deeds. The rest were people of ill will hoping to start slavery in any
>form.
>
Here's a little information for your further education and
enlightment. Those you call Native Americans were not. They have their
roots in Siberia.
Furthermore, the "Native Americans" did not have a concept of owning
property. They were nomadic, within regions, and didn't claim land as
private property. They were quite baffled when Europeans settled down
on specific land tracks. The rules you judge European settlers by did
not exist at that time. As for pillaging and raping, "Native
Americans" gave as good as they got. It was the rule of play they had
been living by before Europeans came here. So much for your 'noble
savage' mindset. Are we to suppose then that you are one of the "Hate
America First" set?
Patricia
> > "Patricia" <rsc...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
* Please note..the following is NOT mine but my state also has
problems
relating to illegal immigration, those seeking asylum and
border jumpers from Mexico
Columbia, etc..
Patricia
----------------------
Andy said.....
> > >
> > Yes, we have a LOT of undocumented Canadians, Asians, Chinese,
> > and even Europeans in the US. They don't cause trouble and just
> > work. Very very few ever get on the wrong side of the law. However
> > the Mexicans were raised in another culture, and it doesn't seem to
> > be a problem for many of them to switch sides. Our prisons
> > in the border towns are overcrowded, close to 50% are Mexican
> > nationals. Not for immigration violations. We just ship them
> > back across the border. They are in prison for rapes, murders,
> > robberies, and drugs. They are BAD MEXICANS.
> >
> > How do you know a good Mexican from a bad Mexican?
> > Easy.
> > The good ones have not broken the law...... the bad ones have.
> >
-------------------------------
> Mabel adds to that:
>
> A fair enough answer. We even have a Mexican problem in Oklahoma, and
> I am 600-700 miles north of the border.
>
> Those that live in the Northern States have no concept of millions of
> people sneaking across borders every year.
>
> The US has extremely high unemployment, and our high school kids and
> college kids can't even get jobs around here waiting tables or stacking
> groceries since the Mexicans are given preference. No kidding. The local
> Burger King and Macdonalds are staffed by Mexicans. That used to be a
> mainstay for the kids to join the work force. Not possible anymore.
>
> I suppose Britain has a problem with Pakistanis, but Britain has to
> "fly" them in. No way to sneak over in significant numbers, thousands
> every night. Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and California have a major
> problem. A few Cubans coming into Miami in a bathtub a few times a
> year is totally insignificant compared to the border states.
>
> Canadians are, of course, a major US asset, and contribute greatly
> to the standard of living in the US, ...... and raise the general
> IQ of the population (grin).
>
> Mabel, a Cannuck in Durant, Oklahoma
------------
I was with you Mabel right up until the "IQ" comment....LOL
Patricia
Married to a Cannuck...
M8tey
>Go take a tour in any of the large cities in California and other states
>that have been taken over by Asian populations. There are horrible gang
>problems with the Asians. They aren't nice and really do some pretty
>wild things.
>I would have no fear of living in the barrio of any city and would much
>prefer that to living in the asian and other areas where the
>canadians..esp the French version...they lie, steal, cheat and make
>horrible neighbors. They are the Frenchified version of Gypsies
>
You have your own set of stereotypical prejudices.
Gordon
A fantasy story about a country she has probably never visited!
In the UK, the illegal immigrants who manage to slip by the authorities
who check out whether they are genuine refugees or asylum seekers
usually end up working for slave wages as fruit/vegetable pickers in the
fields, exploited by farm 'agents'.
To get any handouts they have to register, and go through immigration
processing. It is a problem, because many of them are genuine refugees
fleeing from the wars in Bosnia and Afghanistan. This is our legacy
from Bush's wars.
>
>Finished my grocery shopping and
>looking forward to resting on the bench
>out front of the market, when I found
>the bench occupied by two fat young
>mexican ladies, each with a super duper
>stroller filled with tiny babies, and between
>the gals on the bench were two enormous
>pizzas, one for EACH. They thought the
>bench was a pcnic table!! Another woman
>exited the market. When she took in the
>scene, she told those gals to "pick up and
>get out." They moved, and fast!! Such is
>life in Bush's Mexicali country.
>.....................
>Daisy
>
You final paragraph tells the reader what an unpleasant racist you are!
Who the hell gave that ignorant woman the right to order the two women
to move from the seat?
This is the way many Americans used to treat the blacks, and hopefully
the growing generations will put their parents' bigotry behind them.
--
Gordon
Gordon
>
>You seem to think that EVERY American is gung ho about this
>war..... well,I think you're wrong.
>
Oh no!" I don't think that, I met a few while I was over there who
certainly weren't in favour of the war..
>I'm sure there are many people who wish it had never started.
>Maybe the same people who wish that the many acts of terrorism
>done over the years in many countries had never occurred.
>
Agreed. We suffered many years of IRA outrages in N Ireland and the
mainland, and had to grit our teeth when men with blood on their hands
went to America to raise funds. :-(
However, I think I am right in saying that the danger of terrorism has
been considerably increased by the invasion of Iraq, the measures being
taken now reveal that fear.
>I'm sure that those who lost loved ones that awful day in
>September might have a few things to say on the subject as well.
>
There were many other nationalities among the dead, although the attack
was certainly on the heart of America, or rather on the seat of
Capitalism. I believe the strike was as much against what the Twin
Towers represented as against the people in them.
>You seem to think that it's "a few thousand" illegals....wrong
>again. If you're really interested in the actual number of
>illegal aliens we have in the US..I'm sure you can find an
>educated guess on the numbers somewhere on the net. No one really
>knows for sure.
>
Well, it's a huge country, which used to welcome immigrants, and I don't
know the size of the problem, but treating them badly will only build up
resentment, and you Americans sometimes like to eat Mexican.
Never antagonise those who prepare your food, a leading chef once said
on TV here! :-)
> And NO ONE .... does any dirty jobs for me.
>
Not directly. :-)
>We do have a gardener (white, born in England and runs his own
>small business) who is paid very well to do the things we can no
>longer do ourselves.
>
>Some day I may even tell you what I think of Liz and the
>kids....8-)
>
>Naw...I couldn't be that rude. (G)
>
Go on - try. Brits say what they think about them. I take a dim
view of the Princess Royal's Bull Terriers getting away with attacks on
people, although I split my sides laughing when one of them ate a Royal
Corgi. (Well nearly).....
One of the Rugby players invited for tea with Her Majesty nearly trod on
one of the famous Corgis, and was hastily told by a footman "I'd rather
you spilled your tea on the best carpet than tread on a Corgi"!
--
Gordon
Gordon
>Patricia - just wanted to say that you expressed much better than I was
>able to, in my post to Gordon, what the real situation is here, in our
>country, about both the Iraqi war and certainly the illegal entrants
>from Mexico.====Olly
>
Thanks for the mention. ;-)
--
Gordon
Gordon
>>Where did your (great-grand)parents come from, when they first came to the
>>US?
>
>I can document back further than g-grandparents. My genetic ancestors came
>from Germany, Ireland, Scotland and England. And none broke the law by coming
>or staying here illegally. Why do you ask?
>Pat
Of course we did! We stole the land from the native Americans.
We were the worst of the worst of immigrants.
--
Gordon
Gordon
>Of course they broke the law! They came here and stole the land from
>the Native Americans. They killed, robbed, pillaged and raped anyone and
>anything in sight.
>Most of those leaving the UK were criminals sent here for their evil
>deeds. The rest were people of ill will hoping to start slavery in any
>form.
>
--
Gordon
Gordon
>
>And I've heard Brits talk about their resident Commonwealth members
>throwing offal out the window onto the street.
Really? That's just offal.
--
Gordon
Gordon
>On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 23:24:46 +0000, Gordon <Gor...@g3snx.demon.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>barbara <ddj...@webtv.net> wrote
>>>I agree with Andy. My family will not vote for anyone who agrees with
>>>Bush on this matter. Barbara
>>>
>>Very odd. Folk don't mind being led into an unnecessary war, with good
>>men still being killed off two by two, yet they object to a few thousand
>>Mexes being allowed to stay and do your dirty jobs for you?
>>
>will let them in the country. They will take SOME precautions. Do you
>prospose that the world not be an orderly place?
I find it significant that you compare human beings with animals.
Are you one of those who still think black people are not human?
--
Gordon
Gordon
>Fay wrote: what part of this do you not understand." Good question!!
>It regarded rewarding illegal entrants to the U.S., with jobs
Much better that they are forced to turn to crime in order to eat, eh?
--
Gordon
Patricia
>
> That is a total untruth. The statistics show that there are far more
> honkeys on welfare/medicaid than all the undocumented aliens in the state.
> Check out your stats before you post lies about a hard working group of
> people.
I think that may depend on which state you are talking about. In
the north eastern states or places like Montana and North
Dakota....you may be right about a larger number of whites being
on welfare/Medicaid...but I'm not even sure of that.
In Texas, California, Arizona and Florida especially...I'm fairly
sure that's not the case. California has a huge public debt
problem connected with providing schooling, subsistence funds and
medical assistance for those who have come to this country
uninvited and unwelcome and with no funds or support system.
You may not like to hear it...but something connected to the
above problems is in our newspaper every day.
--
Patricia
Florida-USA
Patricia
> Yep, racism exists in Britain also, sad to say, but I do not refer to
> Asians as Pakis. There are Right Wing elements, very unpleasant
> characters, who have formed the BNP (British national Party), and is
> some areas they have been elected in spite of their Neo-Nazi racist
> stance. They have been responsible for racial attacks also, and are
> much more to be feared than the Asians.
>
> We are not proud of them, and hope they will fizzle out. :-(
Dear Gordon -
I know you understand that this was her word ..not mine. I hear
the same kinds of stories from my friend in Paris about their
struggle with a burgeoning Muslim population.
You make my point... in that NO country is without "sin" when it
comes to racial problems. Things here are much better than they
once were for our black citizens but there is still much room for
improvement in relations between the races and ethnic groups.
I wish I knew the answer...
--
Patricia
Florida-USA
Patricia
>
> Because the can't wait in line forever.
> The wonderful jobs that the gringos want have never been done by them
> in all these years.
> Stoop work picking all day in the fields. Picking grapes all day and
> oranges and everything else you eat. There isn't a gringo who would
> take that job if they were starving.
> I don't see gringo women standing in line to get a job as house
> cleaners. They will work at WalMart before doing house work.
> How many gringos take jobs in nursing homes changing the diapers of the
> old gringos. None!
> You talk about jobs that not one gringo ever gets in line to take from
> any poor Mexican.
> There are fewer criminals within the Mexican community than in any other
> community.
> They are also very responsible to see that their children are educated
> something gringos couldn't care a whit about.
------------------
They can't wait in line forever ? ? You're kidding, right ?
Where is it written that if you don't like the "waiting time"
it's OK to jump the line ?
Try doing that in some other countries in the world where they
bother to enforce their immigration laws.
Tell THEM the line is too long.....LOL
The rest is too silly to even bother commenting.
--
Patricia
Florida-USA
Patricia
>
> Of course they broke the law! They came here and stole the land from
> the Native Americans. They killed, robbed, pillaged and raped anyone and
> anything in sight.
> Most of those leaving the UK were criminals sent here for their evil
> deeds. The rest were people of ill will hoping to start slavery in any
> form.
Grandparents of those in this group may well have arrived as
immigrants themselves....I know mine did. They came in the
1800's...and were not slave owners or traders. They DID work at
lowly jobs in the beginning.....most immigrants did. They fought
for this country in the Civil War, WW1, WW2, Korea and Viet Nam.
Some didn't come home.
BUT and it's a big BUT....they came here "legally" and the first
thing they did was to earn their own keep, expected no handouts,
learned to speak the language properly and contribute to the
growth of this country. I'm sure others can tell the same story.
They didn't sneak in like thieves in the night.
As for slavery - It's not a bright spot in our history or for
some other nations. Many countries were involved...including
blacks who sold other blacks, some Dutch, British and many others
who transported and resold human being...all profiting from this
awful thing.
--
Patricia
Florida-USA
Patscga
My husband did that three summers, 9 or 10 hours a day. He didn't consider the
job "beneath" him; he needed the money.
>How many gringos take jobs in nursing homes changing the diapers of the
>old gringos
I did that for free. I also cleaned houses as a job while going to school. So
did my niece; that's how she put herself through college. In addition, we
didn't feel sorry for ourselves.
Pat
PeteC
--
Pete C
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> Because the can't wait in line forever.
> The wonderful jobs that the gringos want have never been done by them
> in all these years.
> Stoop work picking all day in the fields. Picking grapes all day and
> oranges and everything else you eat. There isn't a gringo who would
> take that job if they were starving.
> I don't see gringo women standing in line to get a job as house
> cleaners. They will work at WalMart before doing house work.
Do euro immigrants (legal) count as 'gringos'? Many irish, Polish, Slavic,
Russian are in this line of work for many years!
> How many gringos take jobs in nursing homes changing the diapers of the
> old gringos. None!
My U.S. born wife & several in-laws & neighbors worked many years as Nurses
Aids in Hospital & Nursing Homes !!!
> You talk about jobs that not one gringo ever gets in line to take from
> any poor Mexican.
All of my 'gringo' children (5 male, 3 female) worked part time during
school (H.S & some College) doing Landscape work, kitchen work & bussing in
local restaurants, & some day labor work in construction. Needless to say
this was quite common in NY.
> There are fewer criminals within the Mexican community than in any other
> community.
> They are also very responsible to see that their children are educated
> something gringos couldn't care a whit about.
If you are a child of gringos, I see your point !!
>
> Olly Mensch wrote:
>
> > This has nothing whatever to do with skin color. Besides, whites do not
> > refuse to do those jobs; but those jobs are not available to whites,
> > since all the immigrants take them.
> > I am sure some have "wonderful families' as you suggested - bu I am also
> > sure that there are many elements among them which are highly
> > undesirable. Were they not, they would enter this country legally.
> > Olly
> >
>
Gordon
>Gordon wrote:
>> Yep, racism exists in Britain also, sad to say, but I do not refer to
>> Asians as Pakis. There are Right Wing elements, very unpleasant
>> characters, who have formed the BNP (British national Party), and is
>> some areas they have been elected in spite of their Neo-Nazi racist
>> stance. They have been responsible for racial attacks also, and are
>> much more to be feared than the Asians.
>>
>> We are not proud of them, and hope they will fizzle out. :-(
>======
>Dear Gordon -
>
>I know you understand that this was her word ..not mine.
Of course.
> I hear
>the same kinds of stories from my friend in Paris about their
>struggle with a burgeoning Muslim population.
>
>You make my point... in that NO country is without "sin" when it
>comes to racial problems. Things here are much better than they
>once were for our black citizens but there is still much room for
>improvement in relations between the races and ethnic groups.
>
>I wish I knew the answer...
>
I have many times heard it said during the struggles in Northern
Ireland: "We should get out of Ireland, and send all the b*****
Irishmen home"!
Fortunately we didn't, we talked to the terrorists, and now there is a
kind of peace over there, and we still have the nurses and bricklayers
over here.
My friend had a neighbour who worked as a self-employed bricklayer here,
lived in a good house in a good area, went home to Ireland for six
months every year, thus establishing residence there, and paid not a
penny of Income Tax here.
Of course I wouldn't judge them all by him. ;-)
--
Gordon
Gordon
>
>Grandparents of those in this group may well have arrived as
>immigrants themselves....I know mine did. They came in the
>1800's...and were not slave owners or traders. They DID work at
>lowly jobs in the beginning.....most immigrants did. They fought
>for this country in the Civil War, WW1, WW2, Korea and Viet Nam.
>Some didn't come home.
>
have done. Anyone who throws any more insults or trots out racist
mantras will be kill-filed by me, I'm tired of the abuse which is going
on here.
Those who emigrate to another country should expect to work harder than
the natives, my son-in-law in CA does, because he gets a good salary and
bonuses, and feels it is expected of him.
He wasn't desperate, but his expertise was needed more where he is now
than in the UK, and I suppose they are economic immigrants.
Some of the people trying to enter Britain are fleeing from terrible
regimes, and consequently they often have no paperwork, having lost
everything in a civil war or ethnic cleansing operation.
It is inhumane to turn them away, if we wish to be respected as a
civilised nation, but the lack of documentation makes it difficult to
assess their status as asylum seekers.
On the other hand, some arrive with money and good documentation. These
are economic immigrants, and are really less worthy of our sympathy than
the wretched ones, but they are welcomed for their wealth and their
skills.
The youngsters who arrive in the wheel wells of Boeing 747s are probably
the most desperate, but they don't know that they can't breathe at
30,000ft, and arrive as frozen corpses.
So it's all a bit ironic really. The ones who pay to be smuggled in by
lorry operators, or who try to walk through the Channel Tunnel, may or
may not be genuinely desperate refugees, but they deserve to be allowed
to make their case for staying. This is what Britain tries to do, but
as others have said, the problem is in the numbers, and the length of
time it takes to investigate their claims.
The government has tried to catch up with the backlog, and one solution
to ease the delays is to allow the ones already here to stay, and to
concentrate efforts on the rapid processing of any further applicants,
at the same time tightening up the borders..
This is in effect what Bush is trying to do. Maybe he picked up the
idea off his pal Tony? :-)
>BUT and it's a big BUT....they came here "legally" and the first
>thing they did was to earn their own keep, expected no handouts,
>learned to speak the language properly and contribute to the
>growth of this country.
I'm sure my son-in-law is contributing significantly to the economy, but
only my grandson has learned the language!
--
Gordon
Patricia
> Oh no!" I don't think that, I met a few while I was over there who
> certainly weren't in favour of the war..
I don't feel very good about it either....it makes me extremely
sad to think of the world our grandchildren and their children
will face.
> Agreed. We suffered many years of IRA outrages in N Ireland and the
> mainland, and had to grit our teeth when men with blood on their hands
> went to America to raise funds. :-(
Yes, they did come here to the Irish American organizations to
raise funds but then so do the Israelis. Huge amounts are donated
by wealthy American Jews to support their chosen causes. Money
pours out of here daily to support Muslim efforts around the
world. I guess you can't control what private citizens so with
their own money.
I am beginning to believe that if I could come back in 100 years
... Ireland would still be unsettled, Israel and Palestine would
still be going at it and we would still be worried about
terrorists. Sad, isn't it ?
> However, I think I am right in saying that the danger of terrorism has
> been considerably increased by the invasion of Iraq, the measures being
> taken now reveal that fear.
You may be right...but who knows what the situation might be
today if nothing had been done ?
> There were many other nationalities among the dead, although the attack
> was certainly on the heart of America, or rather on the seat of
> Capitalism. I believe the strike was as much against what the Twin
> Towers represented as against the people in them.
Yes, there were many people from other countries lost that
day....that's why I said "those who lost their lives" and not
Americans who died.
The Twin Towers was just a very tall bulding...obvious because of
it's size. There were investment firms, banking, insurance
companies and about anything you can think of..including various
service organizations and small private business on the ground
floor....It represented NO particular philosophy or even a
particular industry that I know of.
> Well, it's a huge country, which used to welcome immigrants, and I don't
> know the size of the problem, but treating them badly will only build up
> resentment, and you Americans sometimes like to eat Mexican.
> Never antagonise those who prepare your food, a leading chef once said
> on TV here! :-)
I did some searching and came up with 13 million ILLEGALS.
Illegals are what we are talking about, I think.
Those who apply and come here legitimately....are welcome.
If treating them "badly" means expecting them to obey our
laws...that's not a problem for me. When I come to your country I
fully expect to know what my responsibilities are, obey your laws
and be a pleasant guest...I don't plan on moving in, filing for a
"dole", getting free medical or breaking your rules.
If you mean being polite, civil and courteous to all people...I
do try. Some days it's harder than others. (G) As for Mexican
food...the only restaurant of that kind that I've been to is
owned by Pillsbury...
> > And NO ONE .... does any dirty jobs for me.
> Not directly. :-)
That's true....there are probably many who contribute to my
well-being that I will never know or even see. I hadn't thought
of that. I'm sorry...
> Go on - try. Brits say what they think about them. I take a dim
> view of the Princess Royal's Bull Terriers getting away with attacks on
> people, although I split my sides laughing when one of them ate a Royal
> Corgi. (Well nearly).....
There you go .....different rules for the big dogs. (G) Having
lived here all my life (well,so far)...the idea of royalty
baffles me. The idea of a "royal" corgi is even funnier. You
would think that in the interest of public image....Anne would
have had the dog confined or put down after the first problem to
indicate her regard for the laws of her community. Go figure
.....
> One of the Rugby players invited for tea with Her Majesty nearly trod on
> one of the famous Corgis, and was hastily told by a footman "I'd rather
> you spilled your tea on the best carpet than tread on a Corgi"!
Poor Liz...I don't have it in my heart to say anything unkind
about her. Since she's been a girl she's done her job and her
best..willingly and cheerfully (sort of..she looks pretty glum
these days). That family could have used a good hiding now and
then. The worst I will say about the kids is they are an odd bunch.
If I'm ever asked to tea I will be sure to be polite, civil and
not spill anything. ;-)
--
Patricia
Florida-USA
Patricia
That's the worst kind ! (G)
--
Patricia
Florida-USA
Patricia
Very funny.....LOL
--
Patricia
Florida-USA
Andy in Fink
"Olly Mensch" <Old...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Olly,
The president can dictate policy , which sometimes has the effect of
law. Like saying:
We will not prosecute drug dealers from Saudi Arabia because
they are our allies..
.... stuff like that.
I don't think Gordon was being imperious, he just lives under a different
system. Like the Mexicans --- they don't see the reason for some
of our checks and balances either.
I think Henry the Eight would be a good example of how it is
done in England (grin)
Andy
Andy in Fink
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> You, even in your advanced age could do better if you studied formal
> Spanish. But I guess to white trash trailer park types just know enough
> words to get your beer and pork rinds.
>
> Andy in Fink wrote:
Why would I need formal Spanish? None of the Mexicans around
here speak it. English either for that matter.
By the way, I am on an Adkins diet now, so beer is out. But I truly
do enjoy pork rinds (no carbohydrates)..... Perhaps you can find
a friend to help you look up that word...
Yosemite Andy
Andy in Fink
> >
> > Canadians are, of course, a major US asset, and contribute greatly
> > to the standard of living in the US, ...... and raise the general
> > IQ of the population (grin).
> >
> > Mabel, a Cannuck in Durant, Oklahoma
> ------------
>
> I was with you Mabel right up until the "IQ" comment....LOL
>
> Patricia
Pat,
I agree with Mabel. The fact that her husband, CB (Crazy Bear)
is 6'5 and outweighs me by a hundred pounds has not influenced me
at all (grin)
Yosemite Andy
> Married to a Cannuck...
Andy in Fink
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> If your historic parentage was not born here they came here illegally.
> Stole the land and all the rights from the Native.
>
>
Nope. My ancestors stole it from England in 1776.
Gordon's ancestors were the bad guys !!!
Yosemite Andy
Andy in Fink
"Gordon" <Gor...@g3snx.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> I'm sure my son-in-law is contributing significantly to the economy, but
> only my grandson has learned the language!
> --
> Gordon
Andy replies:
I don't know, Gordon..... You seem to have picked up the language
pretty well. Only a slight accent, and that might be corrected
if you level your keyboard a bit..... (grin)
Yosemite Andy
Andy in Fink
"Patricia" <rsc...@tampabay.rr.com> > As for slavery - It's not a bright
spot in our history or for
> some other nations. Many countries were involved...including
> blacks who sold other blacks, some Dutch, British and many others
> who transported and resold human being...all profiting from this
> awful thing.
>
>
Andy
Andy in Fink
"Erica Visser" <ha.visser...@hccnet.nl> wrote in message
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> Where did your (great-grand)parents come from, when they first came to the
> US?
>
>
Hard to follow in the threads -- I guess you are talking to me.
Paternal lineage was from Scotland in 1720.
Maternal lineage was from Ireland, about the same time.
It shows, doesn't it ???? (grin)
Yosemite Andy
Andy in Fink
"M8tey" <m8...@topmast.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 19:18:26 GMT, bist...@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> >Of course they broke the law! They came here and stole the land from
> >the Native Americans. They killed, robbed, pillaged and raped anyone and
> >anything in sight.
Speak for youself. None of my ancestors ever raped a buffalo !!!!
Yosemite Andy
Andy in Fink
> Are you one of those who still think black people are not human?
> --
> Gordon
Let me comment here:
Many of the black people who are filling up our prisons are
definitely not human.......
Andy
Is it different in England ???
Andy in Fink
Gordon,
I don't know what offal is. Is that one of the things
that Brits have for breakfast...... like black pudding ??
Yosemite Andy
Gordon
>
>Poor Liz...I don't have it in my heart to say anything unkind
>about her. Since she's been a girl she's done her job and her
>best..willingly and cheerfully (sort of..she looks pretty glum
>these days). That family could have used a good hiding now and
>then. The worst I will say about the kids is they are an odd bunch.
>
her life to the country. I would still find it difficult to bow or
curtsy to anyone. ;-)
>If I'm ever asked to tea I will be sure to be polite, civil and
>not spill anything. ;-)
>
I just know I'd knock the sugar onto the fur rug.....
--
Gordon
Gordon
we Brits don't eat.
I haven't had black pudding for several years, but now you've got me
hankerin after a taste. The real ones are delicious with a touch of
English mustard, but only a thin slice is usually served, and only in
the best hotels/restaurants, often on thin toast. I did try eating a
whole genuine Bury black pudding, but it was so rich I couldn't eat half
of one.
--
Gordon
Gordon
Australia!
--
Gordon
Gordon
Patricia
Patricia said...
> >That's the worst kind ! (G)
Gordon wrote:
> BTW - if you think you got the worst of us, you should see who went to
> Australia!
--------------
Hi....
I've never been to OZ so my experience with the progeny of the
reluctant emigrants that went to Australia is limited.
I have often observed them (oilies) on holiday when we lived in
Singapore and that, my dear, is a sight to behold. LOL
I would never have believed that any human being could drink that
much beer and still be standing. I was nearly trampled one day
when a very large Sikh doorman ejected one of the celebrants from
a hotel bar onto the street. I was fast on my feet in those days.
;-)
They seemed to be prodigious drinkers, loud, rowdy and (to me)
impossible to understand.
I thought perhaps it was the amount of liquid they had imbibed
that caused the language problems but a friend from NZ told me
that Aussies can't even understand one and other. (G)
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Patricia
Florida-USA
bist...@earthlink.net
speak and understand Spanish and much English. You wouldn't survive ten
minutes in Mexico! If you are on a low carb diet no wonder you brain is
so affected...eating all that beef..Yuck!!! You have Mad Cow Disease!
Stay away from Mexico no mad cows need apply.
Matt
bist...@earthlink.net
caused by the undocumented. The big debts in California were caused by
their deregulation of electricity and their lack and inability to do
anything other than fill their own pockets.
Matt
Patricia wrote:
> bist...@earthlink.net wrote:
>
>>That is a total untruth. The statistics show that there are far more
>>honkeys on welfare/medicaid than all the undocumented aliens in the state.
>>Check out your stats before you post lies about a hard working group of
>>people.
>
> --------
>
> I think that may depend on which state you are talking about. In
> the north eastern states or places like Montana and North
> Dakota....you may be right about a larger number of whites being
> on welfare/Medicaid...but I'm not even sure of that.
>
> In Texas, California, Arizona and Florida especially...I'm fairly
> sure that's not the case. California has a huge public debt
> problem connected with providing schooling, subsistence funds and
> medical assistance for those who have come to this country
> uninvited and unwelcome and with no funds or support system.
>
> You may not like to hear it...but something connected to the
> above problems is in our newspaper every day.
>
>
bist...@earthlink.net
not the jobs you would want nor do Anytime you want to get inline to
get these fine paying positions don't hesitate.
Jump the line....yes! Your kind jumped the line and just walked right
in when you took over the u.s.
Matt
Patricia wrote:
> bist...@earthlink.net wrote:
>
>>Because the can't wait in line forever.
>>The wonderful jobs that the gringos want have never been done by them
>>in all these years.
>>Stoop work picking all day in the fields. Picking grapes all day and
>>oranges and everything else you eat. There isn't a gringo who would
>>take that job if they were starving.
>>I don't see gringo women standing in line to get a job as house
>>cleaners. They will work at WalMart before doing house work.
>>How many gringos take jobs in nursing homes changing the diapers of the
>>old gringos. None!
>>You talk about jobs that not one gringo ever gets in line to take from
>>any poor Mexican.
>>There are fewer criminals within the Mexican community than in any other
>>community.
>>They are also very responsible to see that their children are educated
>>something gringos couldn't care a whit about.
>
> ------------------
>
> They can't wait in line forever ? ? You're kidding, right ?
>
> Where is it written that if you don't like the "waiting time"
> it's OK to jump the line ?
>
> Try doing that in some other countries in the world where they
> bother to enforce their immigration laws.
> Tell THEM the line is too long.....LOL
>
> The rest is too silly to even bother commenting.
>
>
Andy in Fink
It would be like having coffee with Hyacinth Bucket !!!!
Andy
Patricia
>
> Patricia <rsc...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote
> >
> >Grandparents of those in this group may well have arrived as
> >immigrants themselves....I know mine did. They came in the
> >1800's...and were not slave owners or traders. They DID work at
> >lowly jobs in the beginning.....most immigrants did. They fought
> >for this country in the Civil War, WW1, WW2, Korea and Viet Nam.
> >Some didn't come home.
> Good points, and I will try to keep the heat out of the debate as you
> have done. Anyone who throws any more insults or trots out racist
> mantras will be kill-filed by me, I'm tired of the abuse which is going
> on here.
Yes....sometimes the flack is pretty heavy. I hear that other
groups are ruder but I still find it upsetting.
> Those who emigrate to another country should expect to work harder than
> the natives, my son-in-law in CA does, because he gets a good salary and
> bonuses, and feels it is expected of him.
> He wasn't desperate, but his expertise was needed more where he is now
> than in the UK, and I suppose they are economic immigrants.
Grandma said.."you go where the grapes grow" and if this is where
his talents were best used..then that's a good reason to give it
a try. The friends I told you about (economic immigrants)...now
living in Novato, California were Brits that I brought here for
my company many years ago. He was an industrial optician we
recruited from Pilkington. They lived in Prestatyn at the time
and I got them in under an Immigration and Naturalization law
that was normally used for people like rock stars.
End of that story is that they have been here many years, are all
US Citizens now and the three children are all called Dr.Ford.
The oldest, Lawrence is a Doctor of Podiatric Medicine, Lloyd is
an MD/Surgeon, Tara is a Ph.D.. in Psychology. Trevor says it's
all my fault. (G) He believes the children's opportunities would
have been limited had they stayed in the UK. We do what we have
to do....and hope for the best. I hope your daughter, son-in-law
and grandson are very happy here and that they will prosper too.
> Some of the people trying to enter Britain are fleeing from terrible
> regimes, and consequently they often have no paperwork, having lost
> everything in a civil war or ethnic cleansing operation.
> It is inhumane to turn them away, if we wish to be respected as a
> civilised nation, but the lack of documentation makes it difficult to
> assess their status as asylum seekers.
In Florida...we have often have people attempt the trip from Cuba
on flimsy water craft. Many have died in the effort...but still
they try. The deal is...if they can make it to the
beach....they're "in". A friend in the Coast Guard said it was
unwritten policy that if they got even close...the CG would look
the other way until they made it. The stories I read about what
life was like for them in Cuba are pretty disturbing.
> On the other hand, some arrive with money and good documentation. These
> are economic immigrants, and are really less worthy of our sympathy than
> the wretched ones, but they are welcomed for their wealth and their
> skills.
Yes, the rules are usually different for those have a lot of cash
and marketable talents...
> The youngsters who arrive in the wheel wells of Boeing 747s are probably
> the most desperate, but they don't know that they can't breathe at
> 30,000ft, and arrive as frozen corpses.
I know...we had one in Boston I think....about two weeks ago.
> So it's all a bit ironic really. The ones who pay to be smuggled in by
> lorry operators, or who try to walk through the Channel Tunnel, may or
> may not be genuinely desperate refugees, but they deserve to be allowed
> to make their case for staying. This is what Britain tries to do, but
> as others have said, the problem is in the numbers, and the length of
> time it takes to investigate their claims.
It must be very difficult...
> The government has tried to catch up with the backlog, and one solution
> to ease the delays is to allow the ones already here to stay, and to
> concentrate efforts on the rapid processing of any further applicants,
> at the same time tightening up the borders..
Something needs to be done here too.. our borders leak like a sieve.
> This is in effect what Bush is trying to do. Maybe he picked up the
> idea off his pal Tony? :-)
Could be.. but it's not a popular idea here..but I guess you
gathered that. (G)
> I'm sure my son-in-law is contributing significantly to the economy, but
> only my grandson has learned the language!
Well, good for him. It's not easy since the country is so huge
and regional dialects can be very different.
I can spot a " Born Californian" almost as easily as a
southerner...though even those accents vary a lot.
Big difference in sound between someone from Charleston, SC and
Tupelo, Miss.
If I ever had one..it's probably so diluted by now as to be
difficult to pin down. We have lived so many places the rough
edges have probably worn off and new "edges" have taken their
place....but you said you noticed that. LOL
--
Patricia
Florida-USA
Andy in Fink
>
> They seemed to be prodigious drinkers, loud, rowdy and (to me)
> impossible to understand.
>
> I thought perhaps it was the amount of liquid they had imbibed
> that caused the language problems but a friend from NZ told me
> that Aussies can't even understand one and other. (G)
>
> --
> Patricia
> Florida-USA
Andy writes:
It is noteworthy to realize that if a man could tunnel from Florida,
straight thru the center of the earth, and came out the other side,
he would be very near to Perth. Sounds like something of
cosmic significance.
Sounds like you are describing Texans, tho...
Eerie, ain't it, cobber........
Good on 'ya,
Andy
Andy in Fink
Hey,
Does this mean I can come to England for free medical care ?
Andy
bist...@earthlink.net
been denied human rights just as they hope to do with the undocumented
aliens.
What will become of them? They brought over the African American
because they wanted them to do the hard work that no one else wanted to
do...how very familiar just like the current day undocumented.
I wish for one week every minority would leave the u.s. That very
disturbed country would come to a screeching halt in just a few minutes.
Matt
bist...@earthlink.net
themselves from any sort of organized religion. Pick up some of the
history on Salem.
bist...@earthlink.net
Patricia
>
> Well now just hear this. There is NO real problem of financial deficit
> caused by the undocumented. The big debts in California were caused by
> their deregulation of electricity and their lack and inability to do
> anything other than fill their own pockets.
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NOW hear this yourself...LOL
Since it is apparent you don't bother to read thoroughly much
less comprehend what others write..... I can see no point in
prolonging this conversation.
What I wrote below was exactly what I meant...if you can't
understand that..I'm sorry for you.
> Patricia wrote:
> > I think that may depend on which state you are talking about. In
> > the north eastern states or places like Montana and North
> > Dakota....you may be right about a larger number of whites being
> > on welfare/Medicaid...but I'm not even sure of that.
> >
> > In Texas, California, Arizona and Florida especially...I'm fairly
> > sure that's not the case. California has a huge public debt
> > problem connected with providing schooling, subsistence funds and
> > medical assistance for those who have come to this country
> > uninvited and unwelcome and with no funds or support system.
> >
> > You may not like to hear it...but something connected to the
> > above problems is in our newspaper every day.
> >
> >
--
Patricia
Florida-USA
Patricia
> Andy writes:
>
> It is noteworthy to realize that if a man could tunnel from Florida,
> straight thru the center of the earth, and came out the other side,
> he would be very near to Perth. Sounds like something of
> cosmic significance.
>
> Sounds like you are describing Texans, tho...
>
> Eerie, ain't it, cobber........
>
> Good on 'ya,
>
> Andy
Yeah...it is kind of curious, Andy....how'd ya figure that one
out ? (G) You out there in Fink spinning your globe ?
I almost got to Perth once...chickened out at the last minute.
The two fisted drinkers I was talking about worked for the oil
companies and were isolated for long periods. I think Singapore
was the first stop for rest and recreation for them and they
really enjoyed it.
Wouldn't volunteer for that kind of a headache myself...but they
had fun.
Are you anywhere near New Braunfels ?
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Patricia
Florida-USA