Learn more about each other
P H
enjoy political discussion, talk of family & travel I like to
hear about food ==recipes mostly. Sex, unfortunately, is history
for me. I paint==it would be interesting to know your hobbies.
Olly Mensch
hobbies??
Classical music - opera - the Internet - current events.
Olly
Jeanette S.
enjoy political discussion, talk of family & travel I like to hear
about food ==recipes mostly. Sex, unfortunately, is history for me.
I paint==it would be interesting to know your hobbies.
*********************************************8
Give it up Olly, Ryan was 89 this past spring or summer. Jeanette
Patricia
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What was actually said.....
Did you see the MOST ? No claim made to being the oldest..... LOL
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Now, to answer the original questions -
I enjoy hearing what others think about politics but despise the
wrangling and nastiness it often brings with it.
Our family - We have four children, two of each. All married to their
original spouse, all productive, healthy and happy, three raising
children of their own and the fourth in the process of an overseas
adoption. If all goes well this little girl will make it an even dozen
grandchildren for us. Pretty amazing, isn't it ? ;-)
Travel - We have seen quite a lot of the world already because of my
husband's occupation. There are still places on my list that I hope to
see one day. South America, NZ, Australia are at the top of today's
list. The list changes.....(g) Most favorite - Japan. Least favorite -
Jakarta.
Food - I enjoy cooking and they tell me I'm good at it. With only two of
us, it's sometimes a challenge to cut a recipe down and still get the
desired result. I am always willing to learn and enjoy trying new
things. Sinclair helps me get motivated. (g)
I like to bake also. When we visit our children the first question is
"are you going to bake ?".
Sex and religion are two things I will discuss in the abstract but both
are far too personal to discuss here.(Private email is an exception - LOL)
> If intercourse causes thrombosis,
> And celibacy's causes neurosis,
> I'd rather expire
> Consumed by desire
> Than live in a state of psychosis.
Hobbies - Reading, painting, photography, do all kinds of sewing and
needle work, small scale gardening. Computers, of course. ;-) I ride my
bicycle when the spirit moves me....ditto with golf and tennis. Tennis
hardly ever moves me..... I detest wet undies.
I think that about covers it.... ;-)
Have a wonderful day, Phoebe.
Best,
Patricia
P H
healthy lust for living your post reveals. It should motivate
most of us & I*m afr aid be a little beyond our abilities. We
are lucky to have you Keep strong Patricia
Lizzie the Lurker
"Jeanette S." <jenah...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:25037-41B...@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net...
>Give it up Olly, Ryan was 89 this past spring or summer. Jeanette
Am I wrong or am I wrong but it strikes me that no matter what Olly says
*somebody* is ready to jump on her.
Ah well, I suppose you must derive your pleasure where you see fit .... :-((
Pax Vobiscum.
Lizzie
Joan F (MI)
her, but over time she has worn us down with her insults and carping.
In news:32adktF...@individual.net,
Lizzie the Lurker <m...@privacy.net> stated
Andy
Well, I am the youngest, and probably the best looking, in this
group...
What Lizzie says is true...... No point in "jumping on" anyone ---
just
present your point of view and if it seems reasonable to some people,
it
may influence their opinion...
Sure, Ollie has an agenda.... but it is not a bad agenda.... and her
arguments
are worth considering....
I don't remember her attacking anyone on a personal level except in
defense , either...
Perhaps "some of us" could learn from this example...
Andy in Fink, Texas
Olly Mensch
Olly
Lizzie the Lurker
"Joan F (MI)" <jjf...@removethisameritech.net> wrote in message
news:Xh0wd.5881$WU7....@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...
> She has brought it on herself. Most of us started out very patient with
> her, but over time she has worn us down with her insults and carping.
Kettle? Pot?
Pax Vobiscum
Lizzie
Olly Mensch
lighthearted - - note the several exclamation points after my statement
of my age.
Olly
Olly Mensch
Olly
Olly Mensch
just lurking - but - whatever, I want to thank you for speaking up on my
behalf. It seems that, no matter what I post, as you also mentioned,
some of the members here (Patricia and Jeanette, for example) feel
obligated to either misinterpret my words, or to criticize them.
Obviously,my response to the other poster was lighthearted - who cares
who is the oldest. I added three exclamation points. but, sure enough
Patricia felt obligated to point out that I was wrong -and Jeanette had
her own unique iput!!!
I have my private thoughts on why the criticisms from some of the people
- but they will remain my private thoughts. I have also decided not to
"cut and run" - but to stay and participate, regardless. It is sad that
one cannot contribute and participate in a discussion group, but that
every word gets twisted by some of the others -when,really, there was no
foundation for their antagonisms and criticism.
Crazy world - but thanks again.
Olly
Patricia
-------
Baloney !
Olly Mensch
response to me, namely, you wrote:"baloney.!
You are so kind -= and so transparent.
Olly
Lizzie the Lurker
"Patricia" <rsc...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Wb3wd.164561$6w6.1...@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
> Baloney !
My point proved. :-((
Pax Vobiscum
Lizzie
P H
to find out about each others likes & dislikes, where we
live, how we cope. Olly said she liked classical music &
current events. Patricia is skilled in cooking,, in art,
gardening & has traveled a bit. Andy & Liz cited nothing about
themselve but defended Olly. One cannot escape evaluation by
others in discussing ideas. Can we rise above this & just
talk about how we live. We are seniors facing a chaotic
world. As we grow older our physical & mental resources are
taxed to the utmost. We cope financially, we experience
physical pain, we struggle with children & family. We
embrace political doctrines & religious ones. Our beliefs can
influence others They can motivate you or fill you with
anger. All of us need strength.
Patricia
P H -
I have been very lucky, I know. Life has it's ups and downs for all of
us. Most of us deal with the problems and just get on with it. Old
friends here know that this has not been a happy year for me but I'm
doing my best.
I'm sure the time will come when I can't physically do what I do
today...and I will deal with that too. I hope I will resist the
temptation to burden others with an endless list of complaints.
Not a person I know can do the same things (in the same way) that they
did 20 years ago. LOL What IS becomes our new reality and we adapt....
As for the occasional squabbling you see here - it happens, just as it
does in real life. ;-)
When I came to this group I discovered quickly who the "nice guys" were
and generally don't let the others bother me too much. There are idiots
everywhere and that doesn't seem to change too much with age.
I hope you and all the other good guys here - will find a way to deal
with whatever your new reality is....for me it changes almost daily. (g)
Wishing you all a Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays and a great New Year.
Patricia
Patricia
Ditto......LOL
Patricia
> Can we rise above this & just
> talk about how we live.
Yes, and I thought I did share something about how I live. I noticed
that very few others did. You for instance...how is your life, what's
going on with you, what are your specific problems ? ;-)
>We are seniors facing a chaotic
> world.
I wonder if this is not always the case. Teens think it has never been
so difficult to be a teen, the young adults may feel that they have
unique problems to face and elders may see it as chaotic.
>As we grow older our physical & mental resources are
> taxed to the utmost.
True, we face new and different challenges every day.
>We cope financially, we experience
> physical pain, we struggle with children & family.
Just as our grandparents and parents did...
>We embrace political doctrines & religious ones.
Always true...
>Our beliefs can
> influence others
Not sure I believe this... ;-) but it is interesting to hear what others
think and believe.
>They can motivate you or fill you with
> anger.
Anything said here probably won't change my life much. Personally, I
find carping and complaining tedious and annoying and try to avoid it
when I can.
All of us need strength.
Quite true and when I have had a specific problem I have asked others in
the group for practical suggestions. Most have been helpful and kind. I
don't expect more than that.
Now, tell us about yourself. ;-)
Patricia
Jeanette S.
news:Xh0wd.5881$WU7....@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...
She has brought it on herself. Most of us started out very patient with
her, but over time she has worn us down with her insults and carping.
Kettle? Pot?
********************************************8
Whatever you think. When I first started seeing her posts, I thought
she was much maligned by other posters and felt sorry for her. But
after a
few years of her constantly twisting and turning malignantly in her
responses to everyone who didn't agree with her, she started posting
responses in an insulting personal manner.
And that's when I became disgusted with her. Believe me if I had a
"kill file" on webtv, I'd block her out; but unfortunately webTV has no
such thing. Jeanette
P H
because I can*t get out much. My enjoyment of drawing &
painting sustains me. I collect newspaper photos of
interesting faces (men, women & children) I interpret them my
own way & they paper the walls of my house. Enjoy political
discussions & watch TV a lot. Too much!! I read Newsday daily
& the Times weekends Have a subscription to TIME magazine & I
cannot catch up with the articles. I also have a wonderful
angel. Sh e is a social worker from the Senior Center who
visits one day a week. My son is instualized==& that is a
heartache which I will never get used to. I have two
daughters==one in California & one in Florida. We keep in
touch sporadically but, Thank Goodness, are on good terms. I
live in a suburb in a nice private house which I maintain
independently. Facts presented. Thrilling, isn*t it.
Jeanette S.
My hobbies are doing craft work, reading, and sewing. Very peaceful. I
watch TV in the evenings, particularly BBCA shows. I have 5 children,
11 grandchildren and 2 spousal grandchildren. I am also a great
grandmother; she is precious and will be one year old on January 1. We
are a very close knit family and enjoy one another's company. Jeanette
Olly Mensch
===A few days ago, Patricia had answered your initial post, and, when
she ended, she adressed you as Phoebe!!. In your initial thread you
mentioned that you painted. And in this current one, you describe your
life, such as I know it is, Phoebe. You, of course, have every right to
withdraw from this group - as you had, for quite a while. In fact long
enough to prompt me to ask Rita whether you were allright. She replied
that you were, but did not want, at the moment, to post here. Well,
here you are, posting again , but under a different name, yet giving
away all the accurate details of your life - such as we know it;
certainly I do.
You might say that it is none of my business why you are currently
playing this kind of game - and, of course, you would be correct. but
it certainly is strange- If you are trying to achieve anonymity then you
failed, since you wrote about all the details of your life - as we have
all gotten to know them. I am not blaming you for anything - but am
totally puzzled at what you are doing. You might respond it is none of
my business - and that is correct. But I cannot help the impression
that you looked for anonimity, yet spelled out clearly all the details
of your life, which are uniquely yours, and thus recognizable for all
the posters.
Just curious?! although we have argued a lot in the past, and we do
disagree on many issues, I am nevertheless glad that your absence and
silence were not due to ill health, or old age, but merely, a pause,
and now you are mysteriously giving away your life story again, while
yet posting under another name. Weird!!!
Olly
Olly Mensch
cope with old age, you have pretty much described most of the problems
we encounter.
Several times, over the years, I have spelled out my current way of
life,etc., and do not feel like doing so again.
Those of us in this group who are truly elderly are very aware of the
problems and joys of aging. It seems to give us a range of choices -
depending, of course, on our state of health, our finances,etc.etc. -
but choices which we did not have earlier, since we were - most of us,
busy raising families, and now there is that huge freedom of choice and
freedom of time staring at us, and urging us to fill it meaningfully.
some fill it with despair, with loneliness, with illness; others are
fortunate enough to finally be able to indulge in their hobbies; to live
without financial worry IF they were lucky enough to be able to do so,
and to pursue those hobbies which, earlier on, they could not
participate in. Finally, some are blessed with families - nearby enough
to allow for much contact - others' children are far away, sadly enough.
Everything else you spelled out very well.
These are the broad generalities, quite familiar to all, I am sure.
I do spell out some of the details of my current daily living, in
exchanges with dear friends I have - e-mail friends, but this is not the
place for me to indulge and, perhaps, bore others.
I hope you might find some discussions of interest here in his group.
Olly
Joan F (MI)
for doing so? She may have her reasons for the name change, it seems I
remember that she was having problems with her webtv. Maybe that was behind
the name change. You sure pick weird things to discuss.
In news:9715-41C...@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net,
Olly Mensch <Old...@webtv.net> stated
Patricia
> My hobbies are doing craft work, reading, and sewing. Very peaceful. I
> watch TV in the evenings, particularly BBCA shows. I have 5 children,
> 11 grandchildren and 2 spousal grandchildren. I am also a great
> grandmother; she is precious and will be one year old on January 1. We
> are a very close knit family and enjoy one another's company. Jeanette
Hi, Jeanette -
I like to do craft/sewing/knitting kinds of things too. I find it very
calming and I always enjoy the results. BBCA is very good and we usually
check that each evening before we look elsewhere.
Not a GGrandma yet but one day, if I'm lucky, I probably will be. ;-)
Patricia
Patricia
> Not much to tell, Patricia. I live a rather isolated life
> because I can*t get out much.
I don't spend a lot of time out either...I've never been interested in
"neighborly" visits but see most of my very nice neighbors when I'm out
walking with our little dog. I don't enjoy recreational shopping and
avoid the malls like a plague. (g) I do some shopping on the internet
and find that very convenient.
>My enjoyment of drawing &
> painting sustains me. I collect newspaper photos of
> interesting faces (men, women & children) I interpret them my
> own way & they paper the walls of my house.
It's a wonderful gift to be able to draw, paint or do anything along
those creative lines. It's hard to explain to people who don't ... how
much pleasure it brings. I find it very satisfying when I can take a
photograph and produce my own version of it. I only have 4 or 5
paintings hanging right now....the kids seem to need them when they come
to visit so off they go with my blessing. ;-) I've been reading about
Jackson Pollack lately and am tempted to try something like that just to
see what might happen. Have you tried nonrepresentational art ? Did you
like it ?
>Enjoy political
> discussions & watch TV a lot. Too much!! I read Newsday daily
> & the Times weekends Have a subscription to TIME magazine & I
> cannot catch up with the articles.
I like to know what's going on and can have the television news or
whatever on in the background when I'm doing something else. It can be a
force for good...LOL
>I also have a wonderful
> angel. Sh e is a social worker from the Senior Center who
> visits one day a week. My son is instualized==& that is a
> heartache which I will never get used to.
It must be very sad for you. I am sorry.
>I have two
> daughters==one in California & one in Florida. We keep in
> touch sporadically but, Thank Goodness, are on good terms. I
> live in a suburb in a nice private house which I maintain
> independently. Facts presented. Thrilling, isn*t it.
Yes, it is. I can see you are a person who makes the best of what IS and
gets on with it. I believe that's the way it should be and hope that
each day you find something that makes you smile. I sometimes wish our
children were nearby... they are making their lives and that's as it
should be. We are encouraged to visit more often...and that's a very
nice feeling.
My life may not be "thrilling" by some standards either..(g) but it
makes me happy and that's what counts. I think you are doing a great job
of managing advancing age...I hope I do as well. The one thing that
concerns me you have already mastered. I suspect the time will come when
I am alone and I don't know how I will do at that. I have never lived
alone in my life ... it unknown territory for me.
I hope others may address this and tell how they handled it...it would
help a lot.
Thanks....
Have a great evening.
Patricia
>
Patricia
> One would be a fool -- or a liar -- deny that there are many things
> about getting older ... and older ... that do not try one's patience.
> Who among us does not occasionally look in the mirror and ask, "Just
> where did that old person come from?"
That's funny...and I do understand what you mean. With me it's the
hands... they are my grandmother's hands I see. (g)
> The inexorability of physical aging is all the more reason I think we
> should work hard to stay young in spirit. I hate to read paeans by elders
> to the good old days. There is much pain in today's world, but much that
> is fresh and exciting as well. I, for one, love today's young people.
> I am always amazed and pleased at how many of them get up to give an old
> lady their seat on the subway:) And I always thank them heartily, and
> say "you are so kind."
That's one of the reasons I enjoy being with the children and
grandchildren so much....such nice people, so ambitious and energetic -
it's like a tonic for me. ;-)
> So long as I can get out and about and see what is going on in the world
> around me I can be content. My goals for the New Year are to pay for a
> yearly membership in two art museums so I can pop in often and just view
> a few works. And to continue to read for understanding of a wide range of
> issues. And to get back to moving this sorry body of mine in some regular
> form of exercise. I had some minor health problems in the summer and fall
> and was horrified to find how quickly any prior conditioning disappeared.
> And beyond this, I am resolving to just be kinder to and about people in
> general. To laugh more rather than criticize. This is a big one!
> And look for opportunities to be helpful to others. Oh, I will fall far
> short of this goal. That is a given!
Our little dog has been a wonderful addition...she sees to it that I get
out even on rainy days. We walk, see some neighbors and enjoy the fresh
air. We don't have any museums close by...when we go to NJ/NY we always
try to get to at least one or two. I really wanted to see the new MOMA
but my son checked and said the lines were long and it might be better
to wait until the next time. Bob couldn't stand in a very long line...
I've heard that it's spectacular. If you get there before I do...please
tell me all about it.
> In the latter instance, I have been having a most rewarding Email
> relationship with the wife of a cousin who died in early fall. He was
> a person I had grown up with, but because of time and distance I had never
> met his wife. Really knew little about her. She wrote me about his death
> and we began corresponding. She is a remarkable person who hunts with a bow
> and arrow, and is planning trips to kayak now that she can see a future
> for herself without my cousin. I think we are able to say things to each
> other that might not be possible in another medium. We are as different as
> day from night in our interests and politics. But I've gained a lot and I
> think she has also. And I have had to do no more than sit at my computer
> and type!
Technology is great, isn't it ? (g) I have cousins in California that I
can only manage to see every few years but we all keep in touch via email..
> As you wisely say, Patricia. our reality does not stay stagnant. Flexibility
> in dealing with changes, both pleasant and unpleasant, goes a long way. There
> are things I've enjoyed in the past I sadly realize I really can't do anymore.
> Such as travel a bit in the rough, going on "hippy" bus tours and such. All
> the more important then to mine one's environment for good substitutions for
> some kind of adventure and new experience.
Ah, yes - the days of roughing it are gone for me too. I remember with
pleasure .. scraping by all over Europe for 4 months on my own and
loving it...not sure I could do that now. The children were all grown up
then and they thought I was a model for mothers .... LOL
Now, I have come to enjoy my creature comforts but don't mind some
organized travel when we can manage it. The last trip to California was
very hard on my husband and I'm not sure how many more times we can do
it. I'm hoping that fate will bring our California boy back to the east
coast... ;-)
Enjoyed your letter -
Patricia
Patricia
> And I suppose you didn't change your name, Lotte. Why do you attack Phoebe
> for doing so? She may have her reasons for the name change, it seems I
> remember that she was having problems with her webtv. Maybe that was behind
> the name change. You sure pick weird things to discuss.
That's true, Joan.
I remember Lotte...LOL
Different rules for different people, I guess.
Phoebe is such a sweetie that I would know her anywhere...name change or
not. (g)
Patricia
Dick Zielinski
wrote:
Ok, what the heck... I like everybody, no exceptions... well maybe one
but we won't talk about him.
Wife and I used to be extremely active, outdoor wise. But with my
getting older and her arthritis, that's a thing of the past. So most
of our interests are small indeed. I do woodworking and wood turning
this time of the year. Mostly I do mechanical clocks... like do it
from rough lumber... I started wood turning, doing all the fancy stuff
but then bumped into a guy named David Nash (I think) and saw the
stuff he turned... I loved it. Now I find the ugliest wood around and
throw it upon the lath. Just finished a piece last week from piece of
apple root... roots attached. I like the work I do, think I'm up to
snuff with the high enders.
Four grandchildren, First one was aborted, the second miscarried,
third was lost in a divorce, the fourth was born out of wedlock...
status still in limbo but don't look good.
Got me two sons. One is currently residing in Folsom, the other's
brain is fried from twenty years of hard drugs... But at least he's on
the outside... sometimes that's not so great.
Maybe that's why I spend so much time in the shop... much better
things to think about out there. Not complaining, mind you. I look
around and know that I have so many blessing to be thankful for.
Xmas coming on... Bless you all.
Dick
Norma
"Rita" <rknyd...@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:kqc4s05v3bnpmfqt0...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 00:02:19 GMT, Patricia <rsc...@tampabay.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
> We don't have any museums close by...when we go to NJ/NY we always
>>try to get to at least one or two. I really wanted to see the new MOMA
>>but my son checked and said the lines were long and it might be better
>>to wait until the next time. Bob couldn't stand in a very long line...
>>I've heard that it's spectacular. If you get there before I do...please
>>tell me all about it.
>>
>
> but pretty quick in and out, and at the bag check as well. I was
> grousing about upping the entry fee to $20, $14 or $16 for us seniors.
> And that is why I will buy a $75 annual membership.
>
> But the building is spectacular and all that is said about it is true.
> There is now so much room to display the paintings and sculptures
> properly. And they have added a large amount of contemporary art.
> Which is my particular interest. You mention Pollack and he is
> there with Lavender Mist. And some other earlier works. I am a
> great fan of Pollock and like to sit in front of one of his
> paintings and just get drawn in. A form of meditation. When I think
> of that old drunk I find this highly amusing, but no one ever said
> great artists were saints. I also like Rothko, but not his later
> paintings which are all dark and murky colors. There is a wonderful
> room of Picasso -- many of his periods represented. And Monet's
> Water Lilies covering an immense wall. If you like abstract art,
> there is website that shows abstract works that are currently being
> shown in NY galleries, mostly by artists yet not well known. It is
>
> http://www.abartonline.com/
>
> I download art from the Internet to my computer and alternate
> works I like on my desktop.
>
> I go to the branch of the NY public library across the street from
> MOMA every week or two, so with a yearly membership I'll just be able
> to pop in and look at a few works at a time. Then I walk down to
> Paley Park, that little vest pocket park with the waterfall wall,
> on 53rd between Fifth and Madison, and have the best frankfurter in
> NYC for $1.25. The guy who runs the tiny refreshment stand told me
> he is hoping for a lot more business now that MOMA is refurbished.
> On a nice day, this is a great place to have a cheap lunch in Midtown.
>
> Since you are familiar with Manhattan, I also recommend Bryant Park
> behind the main branch of the NY public library on 42nd and Fifth.
> This park has become a wonderful urban park and there are a couple
> of good places on 40th across the street to buy something good to
> eat and take it to the park. Beautiful trees and plantings,
> colorful umbrellas over the tables, lots of chairs to move around
> and you can even borrow a book to read while you people watch.
> These are the two areas in Midtown Manhattan where I hang out. The
> rest of it, thumbs down, I prefer anything below 14th Street.
> Except, of course, Central Park and the Met. How could I forget them!
>
> But today my daughter and I went to the Village to Murray's cheese
> shop and found it remodeled and the prices sky high. Duh! So we
> got on the subway and went up to Zabars on the upper Westside where
> there is cheese heaven at most reasonable prices. We were buying
> for a holiday buffet we are having on Saturday, and found all we
> needed there. Zabars remains a treasure and I've been going there
> for 25 years now. Care for a bite of that English Stilton?
Sounds so wonderful to a Midwest person like me. Aah, I hope I can visit on
a nice summer week.. Norma
P H
viewing the diversity of NYC Patricia, I wish I could enjoy
nonrepresentable art but I just don*t understand it. The colors
of some & the rythem of the paint are interesting but I
just lack tjhe imagination to lose myself in the visual
aspect. I can understand the pain Dick has gone thru in the
rearing of his two sons. The working of wood stripped bare &
created into something imaginative must be so pleasurable. You
spoke of a dread of being lonely & alone==which I don*t
think you*ll ever be, Patricia. One can be lonely in a
marriage & even in a family. I find the internet enjoyable &
painting fulfilling. I*m enjoying the friendship of all of
you==from all corners of our country & even out of it. As to
name changes == one can consider SPAM'
Olly Mensch
art; thank you for that. I love abstract art, and will look into that,
also.
Unfortunately, I cannot run to museums any longer, due to my age, and
several physical conditions, but have fond memories of doing so - with
my many friends - back in Boston, in my younger days. ===These days, as
I wrote to the poster who asked the question, I spend much time on the
web -simply because I am home most of the time - but also spend much
time with music; classical music, as well as opera. I am in close touch
with my two sons and their families; one of them living right near me;
the other a couple of hours from where I am. Several grandchildren, and
one great-grandson, age: one!! All of hem sheer joy for me.
Not to forget my beloved 1981 Pontiac, which is rusty and ugly, but, as
long as it holds up, I shall drive it, as long as a license will be
mine!!!! And,despite several serious physical conditions, modern
medicine has helped to keep me reasonably well. I live ihn my own house
- with many memories - needless to say.
This is simply my own, limited story, since many other elderly, in
better physical condition, might lead more varied and more interesting
lives - but I am content. and still - daily - play my piano, which is
a beautiful old Steinway, with a sound so pure and clear that it sends
me---!!! ...:-)
Finally, too much time is spent on the web - mostly "arguing" with some
hostile posters, who seem to get their own jollies out of attacking me.
So be it. I am content, and do not expect more out of a group on the
web than mere entertainment and discussion. But - I do have some
private and ,by now, very close, e-mail friends whom I have met on the
web, and we contact one another daily.==So - we all, in many different
ways and means - carve out as best we can, a satisfactory end of life
journey. I have traveled much,and seen many foreign places of beauty,
as well as our own country,so now it is time to reminisce and be
content. What also helps to have peace of mind is that I have made such
preparations as will reflect my choices, regarding my end of life days,
when I might be ill and dependent.
Olly
Patricia
> You are creative, Rita, in living. In enjoying & tasting &
> viewing the diversity of NYC Patricia, I wish I could enjoy
> nonrepresentable art but I just don*t understand it. The colors
> of some & the rythem of the paint are interesting but I
> just lack tjhe imagination to lose myself in the visual
> aspect.
Morning, Phoebe -
I don't understand it either..not sure anyone does. It's more the way it
makes you feel. One in particular has a dark background with multiple
lighter colored specks layered...it made me think of the night sky. ;-)
I wanted to try it only to see what I could do with that form...and how
it might turn out. Curiosity, I guess.
>I can understand the pain Dick has gone thru in the
> rearing of his two sons.
Sometime bad things happen but we can all be supportive of friends who
are having hard times with children. It makes me very sad to see
families broken apart by things like this.
>The working of wood stripped bare &
> created into something imaginative must be so pleasurable.
I think so.. wood is naturally so beautiful it must be very exciting to
see what's hidden inside. I'm fascinated by cypress ....roots especially.
>You
> spoke of a dread of being lonely & alone==which I don*t
> think you*ll ever be, Patricia.
It would be alien territory for me. LOL I think I could adapt if I had
to but it would be very strange, new and a little scary for me.
>One can be lonely in a
> marriage & even in a family.
True....I know people like that.
>I find the internet enjoyable &
> painting fulfilling. I*m enjoying the friendship of all of
> you==from all corners of our country & even out of it. As to
> name changes == one can consider SPAM'
I enjoy my net time too...(g) It keeps me in touch with family and
friends, fills in the gaps when I don't have anything else urgent to do,
lets me look up things I'm curious about, shop on line...it's great !
As for names...I may change mine too. LOL
Patricia
>
Patricia
> Ok, what the heck... I like everybody, no exceptions... well maybe one
> but we won't talk about him.
Oh, oh.....bet I know. LOL
> Wife and I used to be extremely active, outdoor wise. But with my
> getting older and her arthritis, that's a thing of the past. So most
> of our interests are small indeed. I do woodworking and wood turning
> this time of the year. Mostly I do mechanical clocks... like do it
> from rough lumber... I started wood turning, doing all the fancy stuff
> but then bumped into a guy named David Nash (I think) and saw the
> stuff he turned... I loved it. Now I find the ugliest wood around and
> throw it upon the lath. Just finished a piece last week from piece of
> apple root... roots attached. I like the work I do, think I'm up to
> snuff with the high enders.
Wood is wonderful, isn't it ? I mentioned cypress and how much I liked
that but some of the most beautiful bowls I ever saw were of hard rock
maple...the grain is amazing. You are lucky to have found such a
satisfying interest.
> Four grandchildren, First one was aborted, the second miscarried,
> third was lost in a divorce, the fourth was born out of wedlock...
> status still in limbo but don't look good.
I'm sorry....I hope you get to enjoy the company of the fourth
sometimes. I love talking and being with ours.
> Got me two sons. One is currently residing in Folsom, the other's
> brain is fried from twenty years of hard drugs... But at least he's on
> the outside... sometimes that's not so great.
That is very sad.
> Maybe that's why I spend so much time in the shop... much better
> things to think about out there. Not complaining, mind you. I look
> around and know that I have so many blessing to be thankful for.
Maybe that's the gift you have been given to compensate for some of the
hard times. It must give you and many others much pleasure. Do you sell
your work ? Have you put any photos of your work on line. I would enjoy
seeing them.
> Xmas coming on... Bless you all.
Yes, it is....we leave midweek for Jacksonville to spend the holiday
with our youngest daughter and her family. It will be fun....a little
crowded....but fun. They are currently shopping for a larger home and
would also like us to live closer to them too...guess real estate
shopping will be on the list of things we do. LOL
I wish you a Merry Christmas and a wonderful New Year.
Best,
Patricia
Jeanette S.
currently playing this kind of game - and, of course, you would be
correct. but it certainly is strange- If you are trying to achieve
anonymity then you failed, since you wrote about all the details of your
life - as we have all gotten to know them. I am
What makes you think she is playing a game, Olly? She may have a
perfectly valid reason for the name change. But I suppose it is in your
nature Olly, to call any and every one to task for what they say or
write. Well, have fun doing it. I hope you enjoy my post, because you
seem so gleeful when I answer them. That's one way of getting
attention, isn't it? Must not get much attention at home then?
Jeanette
Jeanette S.
probably will be. ;-)
*********************************************
I don't see her very often as they live in another town. But she is
indeed precious and so sweet. Eventually you'll have one or several
Patricia!
They're even more fun than grandchildren, because they are to busy being
coddled by their aunts and uncles to be demanding! Jeanette
Jeanette S.
you attack Phoebe for doing so? She may have her reasons for the name
change, it seems I remember that she was having problems with her webtv.
Maybe that was behind the name change. You sure pick weird things to
discuss.
Indeed! Like I said to her, she gets great glee from attacking or
questioning others reasons for doing anything. Jeanette
Jeanette S.
either..(g) but it makes me happy and that's what counts. I think you
are doing a great job of managing advancing age...I hope I do as well.
The one thing that concerns me you have already mastered. I suspect the
time will come when I am alone and I don't know how I will do at that. I
have never lived alone in my life ... it unknown territory for me.
I hope others may address this and tell how they handled it...it would
help a lot.
I have lived alone since 1989, when my second husband and I were
divorced. I might have have already been divorced as he was so warpped
up in his own persona that he really wasn't much comfort or company. He
lasted 5 years. But when I finally quit work, it was a big problem. I
had worked my whole adult life and all of a sudden not having somewhere
to go every day bothered me. But after about 5 years, I began to enjoy
retirement and I had my children and grandchildren around me, so that
helped. I'm really sorry I ever met him and sorriest that I married
him. Jeanette
Jeanette S.
cheese shop and found it remodeled and the prices sky high. Duh! So we
got on the subway and went up to Zabars on the upper Westside where
there is cheese heaven at most reasonable prices. We were buying for a
holiday buffet we are having on Saturday, and found all we needed there.
Zabars remains a treasure and I've been going there for 25 years now.
Care for a bite of that English Stilton?
As far away as I am from NYC, I've heard about Zabar's. Cheeses are my
favorite dish! Wish I lived close enough to visit the shop. Jeanette
Olly Mensch
home - as you called it - I get more than enough attention, love, time
spent, support,etc.etc. from both my sons. Could not ask for more. In
fact, the one living nearest me, just this past week came over, and
marched into my Den, and brought in a new Lazyboy recliner for me -
without my knowing about it. He and his brother shared the cost, and
they insisted that the old one was not good enough any longer. It WAS
very old. So - you see - it is folly tomake charges which you know
nothing about, merely in order to hurt the other person.===As to
Phoebe,I made it clear that she has every right to change her name - as
you well know, I did,also, at one time, but the point is that when I
change my name, I do not then, at the same time, give all the
particulars which will clearly identify me as the person - before the
name change!! Weird.
You seem to have made a specialty of criticizing me - well, if that is
what you need to be satisfied with your life - go right ahead.
Olly
Mike L
>I did,also, at one time, but the point is that when I
>change my name, I do not then, at the same time, give all the
>particulars which will clearly identify me as the person - before the
>name change!! Weird.
Seems to me your pre-name change identity was also a Jewish agnostic, piano playing
lady with 2 sons (one nearby) in MA, staying in her own home with an October birthday
and she would also now be 87 years old and was a registered Republican and had been
linked to a mental institution in some capacity in the distant past I believe at one
time, I believe she coincidently was keeping her fingers crossed about her 20
something year old car, possibly a Pontiac.
I otherwise never would have associated her with Olly, as I do not recall that she
had an old Lazyboy.
--
Mike
Mike L
>change my name, I do not then, at the same time, give all the
>particulars which will clearly identify me as the person - before the
>name change!! Weird.
Mike L
>change my name, I do not then, at the same time, give all the
>particulars which will clearly identify me as the person - before the
>name change!! Weird.
Seems to me your pre-name change identity was also a Jewish agnostic, piano playing
Mike L
>change my name, I do not then, at the same time, give all the
>particulars which will clearly identify me as the person - before the
>name change!! Weird.
Seems to me your pre-name change identity was also a Jewish agnostic, piano playing
Mike L
> I'm really sorry I ever met him and sorriest that I married
>him. Jeanette
Did you feel that you were in love with him in the early days of your marriage? Did
you get married after a short engagement period?
--
Mike
Joan F (MI)
In news:g5h9s0hcnmu2sp1tl...@4ax.com,
Mike L <tweb5...@yahoo.comSPAM> stated
Mike L
>him. Jeanette
Did you feel that you were in love with him in the early days of your marriage? Did
Dick Zielinski
wrote:
>Dick Zielinski wrote:
>
>> Got me two sons. One is currently residing in Folsom, the other's
>> brain is fried from twenty years of hard drugs... But at least he's on
>> the outside... sometimes that's not so great.
>
>That is very sad.
Yeah it is a bit sad, particularly this time of year... But it is also
enlightening. You've heard many times how over crowded our prisons
are. Well, think about it, everyone of those boys has a mother. And
everyone of those mothers feel as bad as we do.
There has been a bit of talk here about Scott Peterson, Can you
imagine how his mother feels right now... No you can't possibly
imagine. When a person goes to jail, for whatever reason, We always
hear what great thing it is that he went jail... justice is served.
But that's not the way it really is... there are so many innocent
people that are so sadly affected. There is no answer to any of this.
But next time you see the news, say a soft prayer for not only the
victim's family but also the family of the one who goes to jail. Trust
me when I tell that life will never be the same for either family.
Dick
P H
utmost strength to survive it. I can understand the heartbreak
both you & your wife must have undergone. In a sense, a
mentally ill child when institutiomalized is in a possibly
worse prison. They are medicated not only for possible curative
value but many times to keep them quiet. There is also the
deaths & maiming of our young people in this war we are in.
You have had the strength, Dick, to do your work in
woodworking & clock restoration. Each of us must find a path
to keep on living & it must be one of our own creation.
Oh Well
> >
> >
> >>
> >>> Got me two sons. One is currently residing in Folsom, the other's
> >>> brain is fried from twenty years of hard drugs... But at least he's on
> >>> the outside... sometimes that's not so great.
> >>
> >>That is very sad.
> We are seeing here in New York state some reduction in what are called
> the Rockefeller Drug laws which mandate putting people away for up to
> 20 years for what are relatively minor drug offenses. These laws have
> destroyed many families where one of its members has violated a drug
> law while addicted. For those who go to prison, in many instances loved
> ones are left behind and their children left without support and missing
> a parent. Applying draconian law to drug offenses is so stupid it makes
> me sick.
>
Rita, you solution would be..............
oh well.............
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Jeanette S.
support,etc.etc. from both my sons. Could not ask for more. In fact, the
one living nearest me, just this past week came over, and marched into
my Den, and brought in a new Lazyboy recliner for me - without my
knowing about it. He and his brother shared the cost, and they insisted
that the old one was not good enough any longer. It WAS very old. So
- you see - it is folly tomake charges which you know nothing about,
merely in order to hurt the other person.===
How nice for you. But, you know, you don't have to respond to any of my
"spiteful" posts
***************************************************
As to Phoebe,I made it clear that she has every right to change her name
- as you well know, I did,also, at one time, but the point is that when
I change my name, I do not then, at the same time, give all the
particulars which will clearly identify me as the person - before the
name change!! Weird.
Oh bosh, Olly! You immediately, by your scurrilous posts to the grop
and telling us over and over again about yourself, is something you
can't deny.
*********************************************
You seem to have made a specialty of criticizing me - well, if that is
what you need to be satisfied with your life - go right ahead. Olly
Thank you, Olly. But you seem to soooo enjoy my posts, I can't help
myself! Jeanette
Average Joe
Oh Well
> Ideally, I would like to see a decriminalization of what are now
> drug offenses. But I don't think that is likely to happen soon.
> I don't believe sending people off to prison for years for possession
> or even sale of a small amount of an illegal substance is benefiting
> society. Those addicted should be offered treatment in lieu of prison.
>
Offering treatment. Your kidding right. As long as offering treatment is
the penalty, they plus many more will continue to fry their brains.
oh well................
Olly Mensch
them living under the same conditions as they were then?
Olly
P H
about each other encompassess many areas. Politics is
one we can easily get lost in. It takes over & tends to
exclude other interests. It takes up most of our discussions
Of course, it affects daily life but as a refreshing change
ones hobbies, environment, family life, coping with age, health
& finances are of interest. It becomes an individuals unique
experience I do not deny that politics affects us but it also
divides us. Our coping with life has similarities which can
enrich us & create empathy.
Olly Mensch
skills,etc., becomes repetitious and even boring when considering that
we have done so many times over - with pretty much the same members;
exchanging our story. In fact, one poster accused me of just that. We
know you paint - and patricia paints -and I play music,etc.. to make a
list of our physical aging problems is boring to others, who, chances
are, have their own to deal with, or have not quite yet arrived at that
point. An occasional exchange of medical experiences and information
suffices, if desired. The same would go for describing our families;
been there - done that - all of us. In other words, we pretty much know
most of the posters and some parts of their lives - as they had reported
it - so it will become repetitious.
And that is how we end up with "current events." If politics,as such, is
too "touchy", it can be merely current events, worldwide. Lord knows,
there is enough to talk about.
I have felt since a long time that the Internet (web) is no substitute
for personal contact. I HAVE, though, made some close friends whom I
originally met through the Internet, but that took quite a while until
either of us were assured we were dealing with legitimate persons. but -
I suggest that we cannot rely on the members of discussion groups to
nourish our need for friendship, since they are - and remain - strangers
in cyberspace.
For those of us who are quite elderly, and live alone, and are not all
that well physically, to be in touch with groups such as this one, is,
indeed, stimulating, and some pretty nice exchanges between individual
people can result from this contact. Rarely can it go beyond that.
Thus - those of us who have practically no friends left, since they all
died, and also, those of us who are by now too old to run about chasing
new contacts or experiences, and are more or less homebound, should be
cautious about mistaking our web connections for true friendships. I
have been fortunate enough to be able to develop such friendships - not
from a discussion group - but from the internet - but this is
rare,indeed.
So- we rely on our own inner resources to shape our potentially very
lonely days; dabble a bit in discussion groups, and occupy our time with
whatever gifts we may possess - such as music or painting or reading
(eyesight providing!!) and, of course, family, for those of us who are
blessed to have them nearby and close. I feel that is the most and the
best we can do; beyond this, the days are gone where we had more
faculties to develop other interests, and travel,etc. - but we need to
remind ourselves daily, hourly that we are , indeed, most fortunate to
still be able to live on our own; spend our days more or less as we
choose; do not reside in a nursing home (yet!!!) and are blessed with
still clear minds, and enough financial back-up to enable us not to have
to worry too much about our immediate needs.
Could be much worse.
Olly
P H
boring. A genuine concern & interest in people is always
interesting. Sometimes hope can be stimulated to a a
person bereift of personal companionship. It is wonderful to
have a caring family & friends. Many of the elderly do not
have that. That is why the internet can prove a blessing.
People are such a mixture. Politics based on current happening
results in varied reactions. There are sharp differences &
often dissensions that do not allow us to see each other as
whole people. Creative work encounters new learning experiences
that can be shared. An open mind looks for similarities &
love== a limited mind looks for control. Of course, one
expects dissension & politics==it is part of the human
condition. It takes perception & sensitivity to rise above it
Patricia
-----
Morning, Phoebe -
And some imagination. (g) I have decided that in the new year I will
learn a new skill - try something I have never tried before and learn
all I can about it.
Maybe I will learn to play the piano or do calligraphy .... lots of
things we ALL could do at home with a little effort.
Patricia
Adventuress...LOL
>
Patricia
> Yeah it is a bit sad, particularly this time of year... But it is also
> enlightening. You've heard many times how over crowded our prisons
> are. Well, think about it, everyone of those boys has a mother. And
> everyone of those mothers feel as bad as we do.
Some make bad choices. Some may not have had the loving care they
needed.....hard to know what went wrong.
> There has been a bit of talk here about Scott Peterson, Can you
> imagine how his mother feels right now... No you can't possibly
> imagine. When a person goes to jail, for whatever reason, We always
> hear what great thing it is that he went jail... justice is served.
I'm sure his parents, siblings and friends are all in some degree of
pain. I ache for Laci's family. What it must be like tø lose a child in
such a sickening way is beyond my imagination.
> But that's not the way it really is... there are so many innocent
> people that are so sadly affected. There is no answer to any of this.
> But next time you see the news, say a soft prayer for not only the
> victim's family but also the family of the one who goes to jail. Trust
> me when I tell that life will never be the same for either family.
Thank you for sharing your feelings. It's so much easier to feel for the
victim and their family - much harder to work up the same level of
empathy or sympathy for the other side...no matter how much they may
need it.
Everybody loses....
Patricia
Sadly.
>
> Dick
>
Patricia
> Patricia wrote: Not a GGrandma yet but one day, if I'm lucky, I
> probably will be. ;-)
> *********************************************
> I don't see her very often as they live in another town. But she is
> indeed precious and so sweet. Eventually you'll have one or several
> Patricia!
> They're even more fun than grandchildren, because they are to busy being
> coddled by their aunts and uncles to be demanding! Jeanette
------------
I'm not in a BIG hurry...(g) but I do look forward to being a GGrandma.
Our current family adventure is the adoption and how that will proceed.
The entire family is full of happy anticipation at the thought of a tiny
Chinese girl coming all that way just to join our tribe. LOL
Patricia
Patricia
> *************************************************
> I have lived alone since 1989, when my second husband and I were
> divorced. I might have have already been divorced as he was so warpped
> up in his own persona that he really wasn't much comfort or company. He
> lasted 5 years. But when I finally quit work, it was a big problem. I
> had worked my whole adult life and all of a sudden not having somewhere
> to go every day bothered me. But after about 5 years, I began to enjoy
> retirement and I had my children and grandchildren around me, so that
> helped. I'm really sorry I ever met him and sorriest that I married
> him. Jeanette
------------------
Hi, Jeanette -
I'm sure that can happen to many women and it must be so difficult to
recognize that it might have been a mistake and then to do something
about it. Takes lots of strength.
I can't really imagine myself married to anyone else. I might live with
someone but doubt I would marry....and never consider it without a legal
agreement on assets. Could get too messy otherwise.
Maybe it's better to just have several good friends that enjoy the same
things and share the same values. Living alone would be uncharted waters
for me...but, I've done difficult things before and I guess I would
adjust to it. ;-)
I have a very old friend (since 5th grade) who always says that when we
are widows we will live together, travel and do all the things we didn't
have the time or money for when we were young. LOL
Anyway, it's a plan......
Patricia
>
Patricia
> One of my sons and his wife are also in the preliminary stages of
> adoption. I already have one adopted grandson -- different parents.
> He came as a little waif from an orphanage in Colombia at the age
> of 2. This fall he was enrolled in New York City's most prestigious
> high school which he gained entry to through competitive examination.
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Hi, Rita -
Great outcome ! Mind if I send this on to our son ?
They need some encouragement at the moment....the process seems so long,
so expensive, etc.
I know they will be excellent parents ... there is a lot of love in that
home. Lucky couple, lucky little girl. ;-)
Patricia
Olly Mensch
control does not necessarily mean control of others.
For many - for me - it equates with not sinking into the abyss of
emotionality, which often demands attention, pity, a sea of unmet needs,
both contgrolled and uncontrolled anger,etc.etc. Hold any of these
negative traits under control, by whatever means works for each
individual, then life can be better ,and it is not a sign of a "limited
mind." It is a sign of some discipline.
Well - we each have our own, unique situation to resolve, but these are
my thoughts.
Olly
Mike L
>
>Our current family adventure is the adoption and how that will proceed.
>
>The entire family is full of happy anticipation at the thought of a tiny
>Chinese girl coming all that way just to join our tribe. LOL
>
>Patricia
We finally became grandparents a little less than 2 years ago (after a 10 year wait),
then boom - 3 boys. We had 7 grand nieces and nephews in the meantime to keep us
busy.
Our daughter, Alicia, had about 8 miscarriages (I lost count); they had been seeing
doctors and were also in the Cradle adoption program. Alicia and Khyle adopted their
first son and at the birth grandmother's urging, they were able to be present at the
hospital for the birth of Calvin David.
Our first grandson, Tyler James was born 7 weeks prior [to Amy and Jamie (our son)]
so they are both close in age and have fun when they get together.
Alicia since had her problem discovered and fixed and gave birth to their second son,
Wyatt Michael, 11 weeks ago.
Alicia's family lives about 1.5 miles away, Jamie's family 9 miles away (in a
different state).
There will be 25 of us together the day after Christmas this year at my parent's old
house where my youngest sister is now living. We will see my Mom Christmas day at
her nursing home, She is 87 and has 11 ggrandchildren.
--
Mike
Olly Mensch
you must have felt when your close e-mail friend died. In my case, when
the last of my close friends (not e-mail) had died, and I found that i
was too old to try to make new friends, and was pretty much (not
entirely) housebound, I was able to establish a wonderful friendship
with a person whom I met througyh the "Write a Senior" program. Both of
us were extremely cautious at first, but,after a while, realized our
comjpatibility, and have since e-mailed one another daily - and it makes
my day!! We also exchanged addresses and telephone numbers, which
assures us that, if anything should happen to the other party, someone -
hopefully - will notify us. We would love to meet, but that seems not
possible. I am a good twenty years older than you are, and, with age,
the situation changes drastically, obviously.
I had one experience, of a close e-mail friend, with whom I exchanged
communications every few days, for approximately two years, when,
suddenly - one day - nothing. I have never found out what happened,
though, obviously, she must have died. My current friend and I have
resolved, as I mentioned above, that that will not happen in our
case;therefore, the exchange of adresses and phone numbers.
For me - being active in groups is an enjoyable entertainment - if and
when they are not too hostile - but nothing more than that. It does
help to keep me alert - but these are not friendships - in my view.
Good luck to you - - Olly
Dick Zielinski
wrote:
Patricia:
I'm sorry I posted this message... Don't know why I did. Maybe I had
just hoped that some would realize that there is a world out there
that few have had ever had to comprehend.
Dick
Old_Timer
wrote:
>All I can say is that there are unintended consequences for most
>incursions into another society. I believe that we did have the right
>to take on the Taliban who supported Bin Laden. Unlike the war in Iraq,
>I did support that war. Where there is a vacuum of ways to make a living,
>things like growing opium come into being. The answer is for this
>country to develop a sustainable economy but how that can be done I
>can't say. But it should be a goal to be studied and implemented. I
>can't blame those in Afghanistan who need to make a living.
This type of excuse is sometimes used for those in the US who rob
7-11s, burglarize homes and steal cars. They are just trying to make
a living.
Old_Timer
Patricia
> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:57:05 GMT, Patricia <rsc...@tampabay.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
> Patricia:
>
> I'm sorry I posted this message... Don't know why I did. Maybe I had
> just hoped that some would realize that there is a world out there
> that few have had ever had to comprehend.
>
> Dick
>
Dick - It must be very hard for you and your family and if there were
anything I could say to ease that pain. I would.
All I can offer is my willingness to try and understand ...
I hope it's the best Christmas possible for you and your family....
Patricia
Patricia
> There will be 25 of us together the day after Christmas this year at my parent's old
> house where my youngest sister is now living. We will see my Mom Christmas day at
> her nursing home, She is 87 and has 11 ggrandchildren.
-----
Our children are all fairly far away so it means flying when we go to
see them. ;-(
One in SF, Two in NJ, one in Jacksonville. That's where we will be
spending Christmas this year with our youngest daughter, her husband and
family....plus his brother and his wife. It will be nice.
My mother died in September. These last two trips were the first in many
years that we could just pack up and go without worrying about
caregivers or that some disaster would happen and we would be miles away.
We made a few short trips but now we have the option of staying away a
bit longer if we want to. Of the two holidays, I think Thanksgiving is
my favorite but Christmas is nice too. (g)
Today I will spend some on line time shopping...I have two gift
certificates ... LOL I like those a lot !
Have a great day.
Patricia
Dick Zielinski
>> Where there is a vacuum of ways to make a living,
>>things like growing opium come into being. The answer is for this
>>country to develop a sustainable economy but how that can be done I
>>can't say. But it should be a goal to be studied and implemented. I
>>can't blame those in Afghanistan who need to make a living.
>
>This type of excuse is sometimes used for those in the US who rob
>7-11s, burglarize homes and steal cars. They are just trying to make
>a living.
>
>Old_Timer
No it's not the same thing, not even close. These folks are trying to
feed their families. We (the US) could solve that problem but we
won't. We spent billions and much more to come, on the war in Iraq.
Even a small portion of that could provide Afghanistan with the
agriculture means to support themselves. We have the tech. knowledge
but we won't help. Some have asked for just a loom and they could sell
the products... we won't help. For just a small amount, in USD, small
businesses could start up... we won't help... etc.
Dick
P H
of a drug culture. Certainly not in my lifetime. Perhaps the
vast curse of poverty will be addressed. It does not have
to be always with us==maybe some day people will recognize
that. Meantime, we have to live with our imperfect reality &
create a good & meaningful life. I hope we can loosen up &
continue to reveal more about ourselves & work on our
similarities.