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Tibet Cut Off From The Rest Of The World: Press Freedom Watchdog
Friday, 24 February 2012 13:03 | Reporters Without Borders
Paris: - Reporters Without Borders is alarmed at the blackout imposed by Chinese authorities on the provinces of
Sichuan and Qinghai, as well as the autonomous region of Tibet, preventing all media coverage of protest
movements there.
To this we must add disinformation activities such as the recent hacking of the French-language weekly Courrier
International by Chinese propagandists.
“At least 15 Tibetan monks have set themselves on fire since March last year, yet little information about this, or
about the recent demonstrations in Tibet, has emerged,” Reporters Without Borders said.
“Not only are foreign media organizations prevented from covering these events, but the authorities have also
organized a veritable disinformation campaign, using pro-government media such as the Global Times, which play
down the disturbances and accuse the international community of interfering.
“Few media outlets are able to obtain first-hand information and fewer still manage to travel to the regions
concerned.
“Out of sight of the world, a major crisis is unfolding. Even Pyongyang has an international media presence, which
is not the case in Lhasa.”
The press freedom organization added: “As in the past, the Chinese authorities aim to control the Tibetan people
behind closed doors, excluding journalists, foreign ones in particular, who might be troublesome witnesses of what
is happening.
“They are also trying to restrict all communication between the region and the rest of the world. The Internet is a
secondary victim of the crackdown. Connections are cut off, access is blocked and content linked to the unrest is
removed – any method can be used to prevent Chinese netizens taking over the baton from journalists and
publishing news and information that might embarrass Beijing over its handling of the Tibetan unrest.
“Local community networks are particularly targeted in order to nip in the bud any attempt at mobilising support
online.”
Crackdown in Tibet
More than 20 police officers went to the home of Gagkye Drubpa Kyab, a journalist and teacher, in Serthar county
in Sichuan province, on 15 February and arrested him. He remains in detention.
The writer Kalsang Tsultrim, known by the pen name Gyitsang Takmig, was sentenced to four years’ imprisonment
on 30 December 2011. He had been held without charge since 16 December 2010. He was previouslyarrested on 27
July 2010 for “political error” and was released on 15 October that year on condition that he did not participate in
political activity.
He had distributed a CD containing a personal video message urging the international community to take action
and calling for the return of the Dalai Lama. He detailed the suffering of the Tibetan people and expressed
concern about the disappearance of their religion and culture, as well as human rights abuses.
Tsultrim had already received warning from the authorities about the message, recorded in June 2009.
On 14 February, Reporters Without Borders also learned, from the Tibet Post International, of the sentencing in
December 2010 of the writer Tsering Norbu for publishing and distributing a book about the 2008 demonstrations
in Tibet. Police arrested him as he was distributing copies of his book in Lhasa, where is now in prison.
Some journalists and writers choose to go into exile in order to be able to write about what is happening in their
region. Such was the case of Gedun Tsering, who fled to the northern Indian city of Dharamsala where he
published his book “Ghost Writer”. The work is in the form of a journal of his journey to India and his life as a
refugee. Copies have been given to monasteries, schools and universities and Tibet’s four provinces.
Online censorship
Since 24 January, Internet and cell phone networks have been severely disrupted within a radius of 50 km around
Seda district in Sichuan province, which was the epicentre of the violent protests.
Websites of Tibetan exile media organizations cannot be accessed. Discussion forums and blogs in the Tibetan
language, such as Sangdhor.com and Rangdrol.net, have also been blocked since 3 February.
On the same day the tag of Liu Zhiming (刘志明), an investigative journalist with the Economic Observer, who
posted a message about a demonstration on 23 January, was removed from the micro-blogging site Sina Weibo.
This is just one example among many of the removal of content referring to the current disturbances in Tibet.
The strategy adopted by the Chinese authorities, namely cutting off certain provinces or regions from the media
and online worlds in order to subdue them silently, is not new and has been applied elsewhere.
Tibet has already been the target of particularly harsh restrictions on communications. In May 2011, the Internet
was a secondary victim of a crackdown on demonstrations in Inner Mongolia. The region of Xinjiang was cut off
from the outside world for several months after inter-ethnic riots in the regional capital Urumqi on 5 July 2009.
Response to measures aimed at foreign journalists
Foreign journalists, banned from entering Tibet, have been prevented by the police from covering demonstrations
by Tibetans in other Chinese provinces. In the last week of January in Sichuan province, a crew from CNN was
arrested at a toll barrier and prevented from travelling to neighbouring Tibet.
Aware that such restrictions are unlawful, the authorities regularly cite bad weather or the poor state of the roads
to restrict access to the autonomous region.
Consequently, journalists are forced to resort to clandestine methods to get into the Tibetan-inhabited provinces.
Jonathan Watts, a reporter for the Guardian, was among those who managed to elude the barriers and to reach
the town of Aba (Ngaba in Tibetan). He and others have spoken of the heavy military presence in the region.
Foreign journalists suspected of wishing to defy police instructions are victims of harassment by the security
forces.
Some have complained of being followed, others that they have been escorted to the airport by the police,
questioned for several hours, forced to wipe the pictures they have taken and have had their equipment seized.
Identity checks are not confined to press cards and passports but include temporary residence permits, which
journalists must carry with them at all times. These infringements create an atmosphere of constant surveillance
which add to the stress levels and affect the psychological well-being of some media workers.
On 2 February, some foreign correspondents working in China asked the authorities for free access to the
provinces that were closed to them. In a statement issued by the Foreign Correspondents’ Club of China, which is
illegal and has no official status, they claimed the right to travel freely and to interview anyone prepared to be
interviewed.
Two days ago, the FCCC also urged journalists to take care and be alert in their work.
Social unrest a major worry for Beijing
The conditions in which foreign media workers try to function have been worsening elsewhere in the country since
February last year. Journalists who try to report on the various protests around the country, particularly conflicts
between residents and local authorities, have been the target of reprisals, which clearly bear the hallmark of local
or central authorities.
On 15 February in Panhe in the eastern province of Zhejiang, three journalists were assaulted while they were
covering demonstrations against the seizure and sale of land by the government, similar to protests late last year
in Wukan over the sale of land against local people’s wishes.
The French journalist Baptiste Fallevoz, of the television station France 24, and his Chinese assistant Jack Zhang
were on their way to the scene when their car was hit by another vehicle. They were then attacked by thugs in
plain clothes. Zhang, whose camera was smashed, received a severe blow to the head. Both were put aboard a
plane for Wenzhou. Police attributed the incident to village rivalries.
On the same day, the Dutch freelance journalist Remko Tanis suffered a similar assault. Tanis, who worked for the
Netherlands Press Association, was interviewing protesters when about 100 men burst into the building where he
was and severely beat him and seized his memory cards and documents. The journalist said he was relatively
unharmed but he feared for the safety of those he had interviewed.
The FCCC also reported an assault on a video journalist who was attacked by security agents in plain clothes who
hit him several times in the face while he was covering protests on Wangfujing shopping street in Beijing on 19
February. His equipment was seized.
A dozen or so other journalists were harassed and roughed up during the crackdown.
For their part, the Chinese authorities complain that they receive a bad press abroad, a criticism aimed expressly
at foreign journalists who they say give prominent coverage to dissidents, demonstrations, popular discontent and
pollution, rather than the country’s economic and cultural achievements.
They accused 900 foreign reporters of covering events in the country in a negative fashion, based on a double
standard and a “Cold War mentality”. To counter what they see as biased coverage of the country, the authorities
have embarked on a campaign of disinformation. Courrier International, which translates and publishes excerpts of
articles from international newspapers, was hacked by an official Chinese website, China Tibet Online, for
propaganda purposes. It attributed an article translated from the Beijing newspaper Huanqiu Shibao to the Paris-
based weekly.
The article, headlined “French media: harmony, development mostly desired for Tibetans”, quoted a report from a
remote area of Tibet purportedly published in Courrier International. The article in reality contained passages from
Huanqiu Shibao, which is part of the People’s Daily group. It condemned secessionist aims of Tibetan exiles abroad
and was never published by Courrier International.
China fell six places in the 2011-2012 world press freedom index compiled by Reporters Without Borders, and now
stands in 174th places of 178 countries.
http://www.thetibetpost.com/en/news/international/2364-tibet-cut-off-from-the-rest-of-the-world-press-
freedom-watchdog
Friday, 24 February 2012 13:03 | Reporters Without Borders
Paris: - Reporters Without Borders is alarmed at the blackout imposed by Chinese authorities on the provinces of
Sichuan and Qinghai, as well as the autonomous region of Tibet, preventing all media coverage of protest
movements there.
To this we must add disinformation activities such as the recent hacking of the French-language weekly Courrier
International by Chinese propagandists.
“At least 15 Tibetan monks have set themselves on fire since March last year, yet little information about this, or
about the recent demonstrations in Tibet, has emerged,” Reporters Without Borders said.
“Not only are foreign media organizations prevented from covering these events, but the authorities have also
organized a veritable disinformation campaign, using pro-government media such as the Global Times, which play
down the disturbances and accuse the international community of interfering.
“Few media outlets are able to obtain first-hand information and fewer still manage to travel to the regions
concerned.
“Out of sight of the world, a major crisis is unfolding. Even Pyongyang has an international media presence, which
is not the case in Lhasa.”
The press freedom organization added: “As in the past, the Chinese authorities aim to control the Tibetan people
behind closed doors, excluding journalists, foreign ones in particular, who might be troublesome witnesses of what
is happening.
“They are also trying to restrict all communication between the region and the rest of the world. The Internet is a
secondary victim of the crackdown. Connections are cut off, access is blocked and content linked to the unrest is
removed – any method can be used to prevent Chinese netizens taking over the baton from journalists and
publishing news and information that might embarrass Beijing over its handling of the Tibetan unrest.
“Local community networks are particularly targeted in order to nip in the bud any attempt at mobilising support
online.”
Crackdown in Tibet
More than 20 police officers went to the home of Gagkye Drubpa Kyab, a journalist and teacher, in Serthar county
in Sichuan province, on 15 February and arrested him. He remains in detention.
The writer Kalsang Tsultrim, known by the pen name Gyitsang Takmig, was sentenced to four years’ imprisonment
on 30 December 2011. He had been held without charge since 16 December 2010. He was previouslyarrested on 27
July 2010 for “political error” and was released on 15 October that year on condition that he did not participate in
political activity.
He had distributed a CD containing a personal video message urging the international community to take action
and calling for the return of the Dalai Lama. He detailed the suffering of the Tibetan people and expressed
concern about the disappearance of their religion and culture, as well as human rights abuses.
Tsultrim had already received warning from the authorities about the message, recorded in June 2009.
On 14 February, Reporters Without Borders also learned, from the Tibet Post International, of the sentencing in
December 2010 of the writer Tsering Norbu for publishing and distributing a book about the 2008 demonstrations
in Tibet. Police arrested him as he was distributing copies of his book in Lhasa, where is now in prison.
Some journalists and writers choose to go into exile in order to be able to write about what is happening in their
region. Such was the case of Gedun Tsering, who fled to the northern Indian city of Dharamsala where he
published his book “Ghost Writer”. The work is in the form of a journal of his journey to India and his life as a
refugee. Copies have been given to monasteries, schools and universities and Tibet’s four provinces.
Online censorship
Since 24 January, Internet and cell phone networks have been severely disrupted within a radius of 50 km around
Seda district in Sichuan province, which was the epicentre of the violent protests.
Websites of Tibetan exile media organizations cannot be accessed. Discussion forums and blogs in the Tibetan
language, such as Sangdhor.com and Rangdrol.net, have also been blocked since 3 February.
On the same day the tag of Liu Zhiming (刘志明), an investigative journalist with the Economic Observer, who
posted a message about a demonstration on 23 January, was removed from the micro-blogging site Sina Weibo.
This is just one example among many of the removal of content referring to the current disturbances in Tibet.
The strategy adopted by the Chinese authorities, namely cutting off certain provinces or regions from the media
and online worlds in order to subdue them silently, is not new and has been applied elsewhere.
Tibet has already been the target of particularly harsh restrictions on communications. In May 2011, the Internet
was a secondary victim of a crackdown on demonstrations in Inner Mongolia. The region of Xinjiang was cut off
from the outside world for several months after inter-ethnic riots in the regional capital Urumqi on 5 July 2009.
Response to measures aimed at foreign journalists
Foreign journalists, banned from entering Tibet, have been prevented by the police from covering demonstrations
by Tibetans in other Chinese provinces. In the last week of January in Sichuan province, a crew from CNN was
arrested at a toll barrier and prevented from travelling to neighbouring Tibet.
Aware that such restrictions are unlawful, the authorities regularly cite bad weather or the poor state of the roads
to restrict access to the autonomous region.
Consequently, journalists are forced to resort to clandestine methods to get into the Tibetan-inhabited provinces.
Jonathan Watts, a reporter for the Guardian, was among those who managed to elude the barriers and to reach
the town of Aba (Ngaba in Tibetan). He and others have spoken of the heavy military presence in the region.
Foreign journalists suspected of wishing to defy police instructions are victims of harassment by the security
forces.
Some have complained of being followed, others that they have been escorted to the airport by the police,
questioned for several hours, forced to wipe the pictures they have taken and have had their equipment seized.
Identity checks are not confined to press cards and passports but include temporary residence permits, which
journalists must carry with them at all times. These infringements create an atmosphere of constant surveillance
which add to the stress levels and affect the psychological well-being of some media workers.
On 2 February, some foreign correspondents working in China asked the authorities for free access to the
provinces that were closed to them. In a statement issued by the Foreign Correspondents’ Club of China, which is
illegal and has no official status, they claimed the right to travel freely and to interview anyone prepared to be
interviewed.
Two days ago, the FCCC also urged journalists to take care and be alert in their work.
Social unrest a major worry for Beijing
The conditions in which foreign media workers try to function have been worsening elsewhere in the country since
February last year. Journalists who try to report on the various protests around the country, particularly conflicts
between residents and local authorities, have been the target of reprisals, which clearly bear the hallmark of local
or central authorities.
On 15 February in Panhe in the eastern province of Zhejiang, three journalists were assaulted while they were
covering demonstrations against the seizure and sale of land by the government, similar to protests late last year
in Wukan over the sale of land against local people’s wishes.
The French journalist Baptiste Fallevoz, of the television station France 24, and his Chinese assistant Jack Zhang
were on their way to the scene when their car was hit by another vehicle. They were then attacked by thugs in
plain clothes. Zhang, whose camera was smashed, received a severe blow to the head. Both were put aboard a
plane for Wenzhou. Police attributed the incident to village rivalries.
On the same day, the Dutch freelance journalist Remko Tanis suffered a similar assault. Tanis, who worked for the
Netherlands Press Association, was interviewing protesters when about 100 men burst into the building where he
was and severely beat him and seized his memory cards and documents. The journalist said he was relatively
unharmed but he feared for the safety of those he had interviewed.
The FCCC also reported an assault on a video journalist who was attacked by security agents in plain clothes who
hit him several times in the face while he was covering protests on Wangfujing shopping street in Beijing on 19
February. His equipment was seized.
A dozen or so other journalists were harassed and roughed up during the crackdown.
For their part, the Chinese authorities complain that they receive a bad press abroad, a criticism aimed expressly
at foreign journalists who they say give prominent coverage to dissidents, demonstrations, popular discontent and
pollution, rather than the country’s economic and cultural achievements.
They accused 900 foreign reporters of covering events in the country in a negative fashion, based on a double
standard and a “Cold War mentality”. To counter what they see as biased coverage of the country, the authorities
have embarked on a campaign of disinformation. Courrier International, which translates and publishes excerpts of
articles from international newspapers, was hacked by an official Chinese website, China Tibet Online, for
propaganda purposes. It attributed an article translated from the Beijing newspaper Huanqiu Shibao to the Paris-
based weekly.
The article, headlined “French media: harmony, development mostly desired for Tibetans”, quoted a report from a
remote area of Tibet purportedly published in Courrier International. The article in reality contained passages from
Huanqiu Shibao, which is part of the People’s Daily group. It condemned secessionist aims of Tibetan exiles abroad
and was never published by Courrier International.
China fell six places in the 2011-2012 world press freedom index compiled by Reporters Without Borders, and now
stands in 174th places of 178 countries.
http://www.thetibetpost.com/en/news/international/2364-tibet-cut-off-from-the-rest-of-the-world-press-
freedom-watchdog
lo yeeOn
Feb 28, 2012, 7:36:22 PM2/28/12
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So, hard-yards is pushing this pile of whiny bull:
>\342\200\234Not only are foreign media organizations prevented from
>Even Pyongyang has an international media presence, . . . <snip>
Push, push , push . . ..
Now nobody can possibly be doing anything sinister to keep "foreign
media organizations" "from covering these events" because this kind of
news is pretty much just gossip stuff told "over tea" by a Da Lama
friendly propagandist, as we can see from the following report:
On the day in January when Lobsang Jamyang struck the match that
took his life, the former Tibetan monk paid the world a subtle
goodbye. He ate vegetarian food,visited his old monastery to circle
it in prayer, and counselled a recently divorced couple to get back
together.
Then, after drinking a bottle of petrol, his quiet preparations
became a visceral act of political protest. "When he was on fire,"
one of his friends told me recently over tea, "he exploded".
If this kind of ghastly terrorizing act wasn't done behind the public,
if it was done at all, the community that has been aiding and abetting
this kind of terrorist acts would have to be completely shut down for
failing to live up to its responsibility to protect and care for the
safety of their own members and the community at large - by any civil
society in which such a community exists.
These immolation acts are immoral acts and aimed to terrorize the
audience wherever the propagandists can find one.
The so-called "major crisis" that these immoralists are pushing to
"unfold" is always a huge exaggeration to maximize the dramatic effect
of these terrorist acts.
In fact, plenty of western news outlets from the Voice of America, the
Voice of Free this and that, to the New York Times are aching to
retell these tea-time explosive stories if they have any room left
after covering Syria, Libya, and commentaries about how "despicable"
China and Russia are these days.
But how many immolation deaths will have to happen, if they do happen,
to match the number of drone deaths when each attack will evaporate a
score or more of unarmed civilians on the ground who harbor no death
wishes or some totally irrational wish to have another person live
thousands of years more while you self-immolate?
And how many immolation deaths will have to happen, if they do happen,
to match the total excess deaths of Iraqi citizens as a result of the
Iraq war based on false pretenses?
Now those have been ongoing major crises in the world and yet nobody
has been able to do anything about them despite the number of deaths
that have actually occurred.
There is a problem of perspective, man ... when these Tibetan young
men would buy the garbage the exploiting Da Lama and his cohorts in
Dharamsala try to feed them as they themselves have allowed such a
medieval level of ignorance to take a hold of their lives.
Nobody should blame others for their own ignorance! Besides the fact
that their destructive acts will never amount to anything because if
Mrs. Clinton is huffing and puffing about the "inaction" in Syria, who
is going to do better and send in the drones to help bring Da Lama
back to lord over "his people".
I'll instead call on the Tibetan people to wise up and spend their
time learning logic, mathematics, physics, and biology and see that
your own life is the greatest gift in the world any living being can
have. You burn yourself so that Da Lama can come back and live for
thousands of years? Don't fool yourself, there is no logical,
physical, biological, or mathematical path that can connect the
extinction of your life with Da Lama's existence, despicable or not.
You shouldn't immitate a moth and Da Lama should at least re-incarnate
at least once as a worm so that he can help the other worms to redress
their pains suffered when their cold hard lives on the Tibetan plateau
were disturbed in order to satisfy the earthly pleasure of Da Lama and
his aristocratic friends at their movies parties in mid-summer nights
way back when they should have been helping to improve the lives and
longevity of "their people"?
Anti-causal or anachronistic? Not at all ... when it comes to those
who believe that Da Lama can reincarnate ad nauseum into another and
still another woman's womb and grow into a man and always a man again
and again in order to retain his lifestyle at Potola and Norbulingka
Palaces in Lhasa while keeping the masses at the dirt level either as
hard laborers or worms.
So what is the point of fighting for your freedom to hold on to a
religion if that religion simply deprives you of all your freedom to
think and live freely.
So, wake up! If you don't like anybody, it's within your right and
prerogative to do something right. But being foolish is never right
and will never help you live a better life or anyone else to do the
same.
lo yeeOn
========
I am attaching the following post for more thought on this subject.
In article <d8561f38-4400-41ae...@z12g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
bmo...@nyx.net <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
>On Jan 5, 1:58 am, acous...@panix.com (lo yeeOn) wrote:
>> If it's so important for Da Lama to collect still another meaningless
>> award bearing Mahatma Gandhi's name, then it should be even more
>> important to let today's Tibetan people know what a scoundrel Da Lama
>> was when he had a chance to lead and help improve their ancestors' lot
>> but did not!
>>
>> Norbulingka is Da Lama's legacy as well as his lifetime indictment as
>> another corrupt religious head who did not care about the masses under
>> his rule.
>
>He was 15 years old at the time, you idiot!
>
Oh yeah? "Only 15 years old at the time", eh? The 15-year old was
telling his servant/friend Herr Harrer: "Heinrich, go tell `my people'
to dig the ground at Norbulingka and build me a nice movie theater,
'cause I really liked the movies you and I were watching together last
night ...! Okay, Heinrich?"
If Da Lama was innocent, then you are a total idiot, no question about
it! So I should not be at all surprised to see how much you want to
keep drawing attention to yourself for the stupid and meangingless
work that you're doing on these internet newsgroups.
See, I didn't invent the misery Da Lama caused the Tibetan people.
His friend Heinrich Harrer revealed it to the world through the book
he called "Seven Years in Tibet". He did an effective job telling the
world what Da Lama was doing as a boy king in the isolated Tibet.
Lo and behold, what the boy king was doing clearly explained why Tibet
was such an impoverished place, where people's average lifespan was
under forty years of age and where over 80% of the population was
illiterate, when the People's Liberation Army arrived in 1950.
The boy king might have been in his teens, but it didn't stop him from
ordering the commoners to dig the ground at Norbulingka and build one
palace after another. Where did "his people" get a chance to have an
education? How could they live a decent lifespan working under such
harsh conditions on the Himalayan plateaus year after year?
Did Da Lama care? Obviously not! Compassion? It's just propaganda
when it suits his western masters.
Even the Wikipedia cited Da Lama as responsible for overseeing many of
his selfish palatial building projects at Norbulingka, including the
building of the movie theater described in the "Seven Years in Tibet"
so vividly.
So no matter how loud you shout in trying to keep the ugly truth about
Da Lama from the public consciousness, Wikipedia has more authenticity
than your shout will ever be able to match. You should realize that!
lo yeeOn
========
So, let's look at what Da Lama was doing when he had a chance to order
people around and caused misery to the Tibetan people which he called
his "people":
So, I'm reposting what I wrote last time with a few clarifications:
If it's so important for Da Lama to collect still another meaningless
award bearing Mahatma Gandhi's name, then it should be even more
important to let today's Tibetan people know what a scoundrel Da Lama
was when he had a chance to lead and help improve their ancestors' lot
but did not!
Norbulingka is Da Lama's legacy as well as his lifelong indictment as
another corrupt religious head who did not care about the masses under
his rule.
In addition to the terrible physical hardship, Da Lama year after year
gave "his people" a great deal of emotional distress, when he wanted
work done on his lavish palatial projects. By asking his blonde
European visitor (Herr Heinrich Harrer) to direct "his people" to
break the hard cold ground of Lhasa for his movie theater, he forced
them to face, according to the superstitions they had been taught,
countless numbers of their "mothers" and "grandmothers" writhing in
pain in their own bare hands, as the poor little creatures who were
their mothers before were now uprooted.
For the laborers, it was their misfortune that their "mothers" and
"grandmothers" who would be reincarnated as earthworms, not Da Lama's
own mother and grandmother. Why? Because, according to the feudal
theocratic teaching of Tibetan buddhism, the poor are poor because
that's what they have earned from their prior lives. Their lack of
good karmic credit has condemned them to a life of re-incarnation
which appears from an anthropocentric viewpoint even more miserable in
the next cycle around.
But this is a skilful way for the early clergy of the cruel religion
to figure out how the monks can eternally dictate to the masses what
they want from their labor. It also ensures the continuity of the
social order so that the ruling class remains the ruling class while
the lowly denizens remain lowly denizens.
Such an absurd and unflattering portrait of the old feudal Tibet was
brought up by Herr Heinrich Harrer, the blonde European visitor from
Austria mentioned above who had counted Da Lama as a personal friend.
Da Lama showed a total lack of sensitivity, humanity, and compassion
in his type of despicable aristocratic conduct toward the commoners
he ruled.
lo yeeOn
========
In article <88311a25-59d5-4750...@y7g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
Peter Terpstra <pe...@dharma.dyn-o-saur.com> wrote:
>China rejects calls for fact-finding missions to Tibet
>Phayul[Tuesday, December 13, 2011 19:23]
>
>DHARAMSHALA, December 13: In a letter sent to a news website based in
>Brussels, the Dalai Lama has urged European Union (EU) foreign affairs
>chief Catherine Ashton to press China on allowing a visit by EU
>diplomats to Tibet.
>
>"The situation in Tibet is very desperate. It is urgent that the . . .
It's consistent with Da Lama's propensity to exaggerate and to say
anything to suit his immediate purposes. When I grew up, I saw local
Buddhist monks as mostly a lazy, lying, and cheating group of people.
In college, I learned that there were some nice ideas in Buddhism that
can help one to become a better person. But an average monk doesn't
seem to be aware of those teachings.
And I never gave much thought to Da Lama until reading the garbage
Hard-yards Terpstra posted day after day.
The Norbulingka Palace playboy blew his chance when he squandered away
the time he was god-king of the Tibetans. He had an educated blonde
European who could have taught his subjects some geography and
science. But he monopolized the asset as his personal property.
As a result, some 80% plus of the population was illiterate and its
average longevity was under 40 years of age under his rule, as the
bulk of China was rapidly transforming itself into modernity, even
before the CCP came.
Da Lama doesn't know what it means for a situation to be desperate.
The situation in Tibet (before 1951) when he was still its king was
desperate by any account; yet he didn't see it at all.
He spent the wealth of the Tibetan people building summer palaces for
himself and his aristocratic/theocratic class.
And in the process of doing that, he drove the flora and fauna farther
and farther away from their natural habitat in the beautiful Tibet.
What he did was definitely against the teaching of the Buddha. And it
shouldn't be hard for any person with an ounce of common sense to see
that it was an extremely self-indulgent and selfish act.
But what can we expect of Da Lama?
Instead of repenting, he sold his soul to the powers-that-be in the
West at the expense of the well being of the Chinese people. He's
consorted with the CIA, the NED, and similar evil organizations which
exist solely for the purpose of subverting peaceful societies around
the world.
Da Lama has lost all credibility ever since he squandered it decades
ago when he still had power in Tibet.
And shame on those who continue to promote this stooge of the West for
the purpose of turning China into a Libya, an Iraq, or an Afghanistan.
lo yeeOn
========
Subject: Norbulingka - summer palace for Da Lama
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norbulingka
The Norbulingka palace has been mostly identified with the 13th and
the 14th Dalai Lamas who commissioned most of the structures seen here
now.
There is also a zoo at Norbulingka, originally to keep the animals
which were given to the Dalai Lamas. Heinrich Harrer helped the 14th
Dalai Lama build a small movie theatre there in the 1950s.
[So who says Da Lama, aka the 14th Dalai Lama, was too young to be
responsible for the feudal system, the serfdom, and their iniquity
there? Indeed, Da Lama gave "his people" a lot of emotional pain,
in addition to terrible physical hardship, by asking Harrer to direct
them to break the hard cold ground of Lhasa for his movie theater,
thus forcing them to face countless of their "mothers" writhing in
pain as the poor creatures who were their mothers before were now
uprooted. Da Lama showed a total lack of sensitivity, humanity, and
compassion in this type of aristocratic conduct toward the masses.]
The palace, with 374 rooms, is located 3 kilometres (1.9 mi) west of
the Potala Palace, which was the winter palace. It is in the western
suburb of Lhasa City on the bank of the Kyichu River. When
construction of the palace was started (during the 7th Dalai Lama's
period) in the 1740s, the site was a barren land, overgrown with weeds
and scrub and infested with wild animals.[6]
Fruit trees of apple, peach and apricot were also reported (but the
fruits did not ripen in Lhasa) . . .
In article <1622245.kdTlGXAFRq@Dharma>,
Peter Terpstra <pe...@dharma.dyn-o-saur.com> wrote:
>Presentation to His Holiness the Dalai Lama of the Mahatma Gandhi
>International Award for Reconciliation and Peace during the
>Kalachakra for World Peace in Bodh Gaya, India, on January 4, 2011.
[2011??? Tsk, tsk, tsk . . . typical hardyards!!!]
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Sk5CafEJH8
>
>Presentation to His Holiness the Dalai Lama of the Mahatma Gandhi
>International Award for Reconciliation and Peace during the
>Kalachakra for World Peace in Bodh Gaya,
>India, on January 4, 2011.
[Doing it for the second time, eh??? 2011??? Tsk, tsk, tsk
. . . typical hardyards!!! Don't even bother to get the date
right???]
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Sk5CafEJH8
>
-------------------
>... - all the while whinging about China having been raped by
>colonialists sometime in the past. In the opinion of this new "running
>dog of imperialism" it is entitled to all the resources on the planet,
>and in return, it peddles killer "baby formula" and substandard cheap
>crap through Walmart while manipulating its currency. Yeah, the new
>Shangrila is here. So, when are you moving to this new paradise?
>
>--
>VB, Ubetjotushy
>'ome=shanty
>
>-----
>About the Jihadi Loon Squad:
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>A jihadi loon is someone like Jade Muckeraj.
>
>"Jade Muckeraj" aka "The Old Cow of Hawaii" <char...@fraudsrus.com>
>tries her best to pretend she is a Hindu -- cutting and pasting, and
>even doctoring what others post/write about Hindus/Hinduism on the
>internet, deliberately pidginizing Sanskrit and providing wrong
>translations, inventing brand new books in the Mahabharat (reducing it
>to Muckabharat), stalking and abusing people who disagree with her by
>hijacking their posts, and then cuts and pastes about Hindu ethics and
>moans self-righteously about honesty -- and succeeds spectacularly in
>convincing all, except other jihadi loons, that she is not a Hindu.
>She is in fact a creepy jihadi loon, who thinks she owns the newsgroup
>s.c.indian, and has absolutely no problem slandering anyone. As a
>Indian citizen supposedly, she meddles in US political issues, and
>advocates civil war in India.
Tibetan suicides are tinder for future unrest in China
Greg Bruno
Feb 27, 2012
http://www.thenational.ae/thenationalconversation/comment/tibetan-suicides-are-tinder-for-future-unrest-in-china
On the day in January when Lobsang Jamyang struck the match that took
his life, the former Tibetan monk paid the world a subtle goodbye. He
ate vegetarian food,visited his old monastery to circle it in prayer,
and counselled a recently divorced couple to get back together.
Then, after drinking a bottle of petrol, his quiet preparations became
a visceral act of political protest. "When he was on fire," one of his
friends told me recently over tea, "he exploded".
Twenty-two similar acts of Tibetan defiance - from the first in March
to the most recent last week - have happened in the last
year. Tibetans, who have lived under Chinese rule for six decades,
have embraced a grisly and desperate method - self-immolation - to
demonstrate a renewed anger towards Beijing's religious, economic and
cultural repression. In modern Tibet, the first instance of
self-immolation occurred in 2009; in the past year, it has become a
relative epidemic. The question is,how will it end?
For Beijing, the answer is force. Thousands of paramilitary police
have floodedSichuan and Qinghai provinces in China's Tibetan region,
and Communist Party officials have condemned suicidal monks as
anarchists, terrorists and rebels. In December, one party official
compared protesters to "rats" born of "weasels".
What Chinese authorities seem to fail to realise is that nearly two
dozen self-inflicted deaths are not a police problem, but rather the
start of a violent trend that could accelerate if concessions and
dialogue are not offered.
In the Tibetan exile capital of Dharamsala in India, religious leaders
and political activists rightly see hypocrisy in China's crackdown. As
security forces stream into eastern Tibet, grievances elsewhere in
China are being addressed with a new degree of diplomatic acumen.
Recent protests in the village of Wukan, in the southern province of
Guangdong, are instructive. When residents massed last year to condemn
corrupt property deals, the Communist Party could have responded with
more violence, as it had on many other occasions. Instead, officials
offered to hold free village elections and to conduct an
investigation.
Wukan cast ballots earlier this month. And on the same day that they
voted, party officials in Sichuan blamed "trained separatists" and
terrorists for the continuing unrest in Tibet.
Since the 1950s, fear of domestic instability has inclined Beijing to
respond to its "Tibet problem" with violence, economic coercion and
endless propaganda. But decades of social development and
infrastructure improvements have failed to win over the millions of
Tibetans who live in the vast expanse of grasslands and mountains of
the Tibetan plateau.
Almost every one of the 22 people who have set themselves on fire over
the last year had the same demand: Beijing must stay out of Tibetan
religious affairs and allow the return of the Dalai Lama.
Neitherdemand is likely to be answered anytime soon. And yet, they
demonstrate the depth of reverence for the man viewed as the
embodiment of the intangible Tibetan faith. No degree of force or
"re-education" can wipe away that belief.
In Tibetan Buddhism, the Dalai Lama is believed to be the earthly
embodiment of the Bodhisattva Avalokiteshvara, the deity of
compassion. The incarnations of the Dalai Lama in different
individuals have served as the spiritual and temporal leader of
Tibetans for centuries.
China's manipulation of reincarnation doctrine - with Beijing
introducing a law mandating that lamas, including the Dalai Lama, be
approved by the officially atheist Communist Party - is rightly seen
as an attemptto wipe out the Tibetan identity.
The spate of self-immolations is only a glimpse of the unrest that
China will see if the Dalai Lama, now 76, dies without a solution that
is acceptable to Tibetans. Kirti Rinpoche, an exiled abbot of
amonastery that has seen about half of the recent immolations, told me
that unless China changes its policies on religious practices, the
crisis will deepen.
"The Chinese communist government should consider the situation and
they should improve it," the abbot said, "or it could lead to
violence." Tibetans, he said, "are helpless".
Not all Tibetans would see themselves as helpless bystanders. In
death, Lobsang Jamyang may have accomplished morethan he could have in
life. Far from driving the Tibetan issue underground, China's military
response has only generated more unity and resolve.
"People were coming [to pay respects] from as far away as Lhasa,"
Lobsang's friend, who asked to remain anonymous, told me. "There is a
spark of unity, and nationalism, now in Tibet; nationalism that is
being sparked for the first time."
It is true that Beijing's grip on the Tibetan region faces no real
challenge. Tibetans are not demanding political independence. Rather,
they are calling for religious freedom, recognition of the status of
high lamas and cultural respect.
Beijing's response, then, will shape the future. This is not an
Arab-style rebellion that threatens regime change. But the deployment
of police and tankscannot frighten protesters who are willing to set
themselves on fire.
For now, Tibetans across the plateau continue to hold on to a belief
that the Dalai Lama can, and will, bring them salvation. When his
light is extinguished, do not expect the sparks of unrest and
rebellion to disappear with it.
In article <2942143.d8Il1pS3ox@Dharma>,
>previously arrested on 27 July 2010 for “political
>On the same day the tag of Liu Zhiming, an investigative journalist
>\342\200\234Not only are foreign media organizations prevented from
>covering these events, but the authorities have also organized a
>veritable disinformation campaign, using pro-government media such
>as the Global Times, which play down the disturbances and accuse
>the international community of interfering.
>
>\342\200\234Few media outlets are able to obtain first-hand
>veritable disinformation campaign, using pro-government media such
>as the Global Times, which play down the disturbances and accuse
>the international community of interfering.
>
>information and fewer still manage to travel to the regions
>concerned.
>
>\342\200\234Out of sight of the world, a major crisis is unfolding.
>concerned.
>
>Even Pyongyang has an international media presence, . . . <snip>
Push, push , push . . ..
Now nobody can possibly be doing anything sinister to keep "foreign
media organizations" "from covering these events" because this kind of
news is pretty much just gossip stuff told "over tea" by a Da Lama
friendly propagandist, as we can see from the following report:
On the day in January when Lobsang Jamyang struck the match that
took his life, the former Tibetan monk paid the world a subtle
goodbye. He ate vegetarian food,visited his old monastery to circle
it in prayer, and counselled a recently divorced couple to get back
together.
Then, after drinking a bottle of petrol, his quiet preparations
became a visceral act of political protest. "When he was on fire,"
one of his friends told me recently over tea, "he exploded".
If this kind of ghastly terrorizing act wasn't done behind the public,
if it was done at all, the community that has been aiding and abetting
this kind of terrorist acts would have to be completely shut down for
failing to live up to its responsibility to protect and care for the
safety of their own members and the community at large - by any civil
society in which such a community exists.
These immolation acts are immoral acts and aimed to terrorize the
audience wherever the propagandists can find one.
The so-called "major crisis" that these immoralists are pushing to
"unfold" is always a huge exaggeration to maximize the dramatic effect
of these terrorist acts.
In fact, plenty of western news outlets from the Voice of America, the
Voice of Free this and that, to the New York Times are aching to
retell these tea-time explosive stories if they have any room left
after covering Syria, Libya, and commentaries about how "despicable"
China and Russia are these days.
But how many immolation deaths will have to happen, if they do happen,
to match the number of drone deaths when each attack will evaporate a
score or more of unarmed civilians on the ground who harbor no death
wishes or some totally irrational wish to have another person live
thousands of years more while you self-immolate?
And how many immolation deaths will have to happen, if they do happen,
to match the total excess deaths of Iraqi citizens as a result of the
Iraq war based on false pretenses?
Now those have been ongoing major crises in the world and yet nobody
has been able to do anything about them despite the number of deaths
that have actually occurred.
There is a problem of perspective, man ... when these Tibetan young
men would buy the garbage the exploiting Da Lama and his cohorts in
Dharamsala try to feed them as they themselves have allowed such a
medieval level of ignorance to take a hold of their lives.
Nobody should blame others for their own ignorance! Besides the fact
that their destructive acts will never amount to anything because if
Mrs. Clinton is huffing and puffing about the "inaction" in Syria, who
is going to do better and send in the drones to help bring Da Lama
back to lord over "his people".
I'll instead call on the Tibetan people to wise up and spend their
time learning logic, mathematics, physics, and biology and see that
your own life is the greatest gift in the world any living being can
have. You burn yourself so that Da Lama can come back and live for
thousands of years? Don't fool yourself, there is no logical,
physical, biological, or mathematical path that can connect the
extinction of your life with Da Lama's existence, despicable or not.
You shouldn't immitate a moth and Da Lama should at least re-incarnate
at least once as a worm so that he can help the other worms to redress
their pains suffered when their cold hard lives on the Tibetan plateau
were disturbed in order to satisfy the earthly pleasure of Da Lama and
his aristocratic friends at their movies parties in mid-summer nights
way back when they should have been helping to improve the lives and
longevity of "their people"?
Anti-causal or anachronistic? Not at all ... when it comes to those
who believe that Da Lama can reincarnate ad nauseum into another and
still another woman's womb and grow into a man and always a man again
and again in order to retain his lifestyle at Potola and Norbulingka
Palaces in Lhasa while keeping the masses at the dirt level either as
hard laborers or worms.
So what is the point of fighting for your freedom to hold on to a
religion if that religion simply deprives you of all your freedom to
think and live freely.
So, wake up! If you don't like anybody, it's within your right and
prerogative to do something right. But being foolish is never right
and will never help you live a better life or anyone else to do the
same.
lo yeeOn
========
I am attaching the following post for more thought on this subject.
In article <d8561f38-4400-41ae...@z12g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
bmo...@nyx.net <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
>On Jan 5, 1:58 am, acous...@panix.com (lo yeeOn) wrote:
>> If it's so important for Da Lama to collect still another meaningless
>> award bearing Mahatma Gandhi's name, then it should be even more
>> important to let today's Tibetan people know what a scoundrel Da Lama
>> was when he had a chance to lead and help improve their ancestors' lot
>> but did not!
>>
>> Norbulingka is Da Lama's legacy as well as his lifetime indictment as
>> another corrupt religious head who did not care about the masses under
>> his rule.
>
>He was 15 years old at the time, you idiot!
>
Oh yeah? "Only 15 years old at the time", eh? The 15-year old was
telling his servant/friend Herr Harrer: "Heinrich, go tell `my people'
to dig the ground at Norbulingka and build me a nice movie theater,
'cause I really liked the movies you and I were watching together last
night ...! Okay, Heinrich?"
If Da Lama was innocent, then you are a total idiot, no question about
it! So I should not be at all surprised to see how much you want to
keep drawing attention to yourself for the stupid and meangingless
work that you're doing on these internet newsgroups.
See, I didn't invent the misery Da Lama caused the Tibetan people.
His friend Heinrich Harrer revealed it to the world through the book
he called "Seven Years in Tibet". He did an effective job telling the
world what Da Lama was doing as a boy king in the isolated Tibet.
Lo and behold, what the boy king was doing clearly explained why Tibet
was such an impoverished place, where people's average lifespan was
under forty years of age and where over 80% of the population was
illiterate, when the People's Liberation Army arrived in 1950.
The boy king might have been in his teens, but it didn't stop him from
ordering the commoners to dig the ground at Norbulingka and build one
palace after another. Where did "his people" get a chance to have an
education? How could they live a decent lifespan working under such
harsh conditions on the Himalayan plateaus year after year?
Did Da Lama care? Obviously not! Compassion? It's just propaganda
when it suits his western masters.
Even the Wikipedia cited Da Lama as responsible for overseeing many of
his selfish palatial building projects at Norbulingka, including the
building of the movie theater described in the "Seven Years in Tibet"
so vividly.
So no matter how loud you shout in trying to keep the ugly truth about
Da Lama from the public consciousness, Wikipedia has more authenticity
than your shout will ever be able to match. You should realize that!
lo yeeOn
========
So, let's look at what Da Lama was doing when he had a chance to order
people around and caused misery to the Tibetan people which he called
his "people":
So, I'm reposting what I wrote last time with a few clarifications:
If it's so important for Da Lama to collect still another meaningless
award bearing Mahatma Gandhi's name, then it should be even more
important to let today's Tibetan people know what a scoundrel Da Lama
was when he had a chance to lead and help improve their ancestors' lot
but did not!
Norbulingka is Da Lama's legacy as well as his lifelong indictment as
another corrupt religious head who did not care about the masses under
his rule.
In addition to the terrible physical hardship, Da Lama year after year
gave "his people" a great deal of emotional distress, when he wanted
work done on his lavish palatial projects. By asking his blonde
European visitor (Herr Heinrich Harrer) to direct "his people" to
break the hard cold ground of Lhasa for his movie theater, he forced
them to face, according to the superstitions they had been taught,
countless numbers of their "mothers" and "grandmothers" writhing in
pain in their own bare hands, as the poor little creatures who were
their mothers before were now uprooted.
For the laborers, it was their misfortune that their "mothers" and
"grandmothers" who would be reincarnated as earthworms, not Da Lama's
own mother and grandmother. Why? Because, according to the feudal
theocratic teaching of Tibetan buddhism, the poor are poor because
that's what they have earned from their prior lives. Their lack of
good karmic credit has condemned them to a life of re-incarnation
which appears from an anthropocentric viewpoint even more miserable in
the next cycle around.
But this is a skilful way for the early clergy of the cruel religion
to figure out how the monks can eternally dictate to the masses what
they want from their labor. It also ensures the continuity of the
social order so that the ruling class remains the ruling class while
the lowly denizens remain lowly denizens.
Such an absurd and unflattering portrait of the old feudal Tibet was
brought up by Herr Heinrich Harrer, the blonde European visitor from
Austria mentioned above who had counted Da Lama as a personal friend.
Da Lama showed a total lack of sensitivity, humanity, and compassion
in his type of despicable aristocratic conduct toward the commoners
he ruled.
lo yeeOn
========
In article <88311a25-59d5-4750...@y7g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
Peter Terpstra <pe...@dharma.dyn-o-saur.com> wrote:
>China rejects calls for fact-finding missions to Tibet
>Phayul[Tuesday, December 13, 2011 19:23]
>
>DHARAMSHALA, December 13: In a letter sent to a news website based in
>Brussels, the Dalai Lama has urged European Union (EU) foreign affairs
>chief Catherine Ashton to press China on allowing a visit by EU
>diplomats to Tibet.
>
>"The situation in Tibet is very desperate. It is urgent that the . . .
It's consistent with Da Lama's propensity to exaggerate and to say
anything to suit his immediate purposes. When I grew up, I saw local
Buddhist monks as mostly a lazy, lying, and cheating group of people.
In college, I learned that there were some nice ideas in Buddhism that
can help one to become a better person. But an average monk doesn't
seem to be aware of those teachings.
And I never gave much thought to Da Lama until reading the garbage
Hard-yards Terpstra posted day after day.
The Norbulingka Palace playboy blew his chance when he squandered away
the time he was god-king of the Tibetans. He had an educated blonde
European who could have taught his subjects some geography and
science. But he monopolized the asset as his personal property.
As a result, some 80% plus of the population was illiterate and its
average longevity was under 40 years of age under his rule, as the
bulk of China was rapidly transforming itself into modernity, even
before the CCP came.
Da Lama doesn't know what it means for a situation to be desperate.
The situation in Tibet (before 1951) when he was still its king was
desperate by any account; yet he didn't see it at all.
He spent the wealth of the Tibetan people building summer palaces for
himself and his aristocratic/theocratic class.
And in the process of doing that, he drove the flora and fauna farther
and farther away from their natural habitat in the beautiful Tibet.
What he did was definitely against the teaching of the Buddha. And it
shouldn't be hard for any person with an ounce of common sense to see
that it was an extremely self-indulgent and selfish act.
But what can we expect of Da Lama?
Instead of repenting, he sold his soul to the powers-that-be in the
West at the expense of the well being of the Chinese people. He's
consorted with the CIA, the NED, and similar evil organizations which
exist solely for the purpose of subverting peaceful societies around
the world.
Da Lama has lost all credibility ever since he squandered it decades
ago when he still had power in Tibet.
And shame on those who continue to promote this stooge of the West for
the purpose of turning China into a Libya, an Iraq, or an Afghanistan.
lo yeeOn
========
Subject: Norbulingka - summer palace for Da Lama
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norbulingka
The Norbulingka palace has been mostly identified with the 13th and
the 14th Dalai Lamas who commissioned most of the structures seen here
now.
There is also a zoo at Norbulingka, originally to keep the animals
which were given to the Dalai Lamas. Heinrich Harrer helped the 14th
Dalai Lama build a small movie theatre there in the 1950s.
[So who says Da Lama, aka the 14th Dalai Lama, was too young to be
responsible for the feudal system, the serfdom, and their iniquity
there? Indeed, Da Lama gave "his people" a lot of emotional pain,
in addition to terrible physical hardship, by asking Harrer to direct
them to break the hard cold ground of Lhasa for his movie theater,
thus forcing them to face countless of their "mothers" writhing in
pain as the poor creatures who were their mothers before were now
uprooted. Da Lama showed a total lack of sensitivity, humanity, and
compassion in this type of aristocratic conduct toward the masses.]
The palace, with 374 rooms, is located 3 kilometres (1.9 mi) west of
the Potala Palace, which was the winter palace. It is in the western
suburb of Lhasa City on the bank of the Kyichu River. When
construction of the palace was started (during the 7th Dalai Lama's
period) in the 1740s, the site was a barren land, overgrown with weeds
and scrub and infested with wild animals.[6]
Fruit trees of apple, peach and apricot were also reported (but the
fruits did not ripen in Lhasa) . . .
In article <1622245.kdTlGXAFRq@Dharma>,
Peter Terpstra <pe...@dharma.dyn-o-saur.com> wrote:
>Presentation to His Holiness the Dalai Lama of the Mahatma Gandhi
>International Award for Reconciliation and Peace during the
>Kalachakra for World Peace in Bodh Gaya, India, on January 4, 2011.
[2011??? Tsk, tsk, tsk . . . typical hardyards!!!]
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Sk5CafEJH8
>
>Presentation to His Holiness the Dalai Lama of the Mahatma Gandhi
>International Award for Reconciliation and Peace during the
>Kalachakra for World Peace in Bodh Gaya,
>India, on January 4, 2011.
[Doing it for the second time, eh??? 2011??? Tsk, tsk, tsk
. . . typical hardyards!!! Don't even bother to get the date
right???]
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Sk5CafEJH8
>
-------------------
>... - all the while whinging about China having been raped by
>colonialists sometime in the past. In the opinion of this new "running
>dog of imperialism" it is entitled to all the resources on the planet,
>and in return, it peddles killer "baby formula" and substandard cheap
>crap through Walmart while manipulating its currency. Yeah, the new
>Shangrila is here. So, when are you moving to this new paradise?
>
>--
>VB, Ubetjotushy
>'ome=shanty
>
>-----
>About the Jihadi Loon Squad:
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>A jihadi loon is someone like Jade Muckeraj.
>
>"Jade Muckeraj" aka "The Old Cow of Hawaii" <char...@fraudsrus.com>
>tries her best to pretend she is a Hindu -- cutting and pasting, and
>even doctoring what others post/write about Hindus/Hinduism on the
>internet, deliberately pidginizing Sanskrit and providing wrong
>translations, inventing brand new books in the Mahabharat (reducing it
>to Muckabharat), stalking and abusing people who disagree with her by
>hijacking their posts, and then cuts and pastes about Hindu ethics and
>moans self-righteously about honesty -- and succeeds spectacularly in
>convincing all, except other jihadi loons, that she is not a Hindu.
>She is in fact a creepy jihadi loon, who thinks she owns the newsgroup
>s.c.indian, and has absolutely no problem slandering anyone. As a
>Indian citizen supposedly, she meddles in US political issues, and
>advocates civil war in India.
Tibetan suicides are tinder for future unrest in China
Greg Bruno
Feb 27, 2012
http://www.thenational.ae/thenationalconversation/comment/tibetan-suicides-are-tinder-for-future-unrest-in-china
On the day in January when Lobsang Jamyang struck the match that took
his life, the former Tibetan monk paid the world a subtle goodbye. He
ate vegetarian food,visited his old monastery to circle it in prayer,
and counselled a recently divorced couple to get back together.
Then, after drinking a bottle of petrol, his quiet preparations became
a visceral act of political protest. "When he was on fire," one of his
friends told me recently over tea, "he exploded".
Twenty-two similar acts of Tibetan defiance - from the first in March
to the most recent last week - have happened in the last
year. Tibetans, who have lived under Chinese rule for six decades,
have embraced a grisly and desperate method - self-immolation - to
demonstrate a renewed anger towards Beijing's religious, economic and
cultural repression. In modern Tibet, the first instance of
self-immolation occurred in 2009; in the past year, it has become a
relative epidemic. The question is,how will it end?
For Beijing, the answer is force. Thousands of paramilitary police
have floodedSichuan and Qinghai provinces in China's Tibetan region,
and Communist Party officials have condemned suicidal monks as
anarchists, terrorists and rebels. In December, one party official
compared protesters to "rats" born of "weasels".
What Chinese authorities seem to fail to realise is that nearly two
dozen self-inflicted deaths are not a police problem, but rather the
start of a violent trend that could accelerate if concessions and
dialogue are not offered.
In the Tibetan exile capital of Dharamsala in India, religious leaders
and political activists rightly see hypocrisy in China's crackdown. As
security forces stream into eastern Tibet, grievances elsewhere in
China are being addressed with a new degree of diplomatic acumen.
Recent protests in the village of Wukan, in the southern province of
Guangdong, are instructive. When residents massed last year to condemn
corrupt property deals, the Communist Party could have responded with
more violence, as it had on many other occasions. Instead, officials
offered to hold free village elections and to conduct an
investigation.
Wukan cast ballots earlier this month. And on the same day that they
voted, party officials in Sichuan blamed "trained separatists" and
terrorists for the continuing unrest in Tibet.
Since the 1950s, fear of domestic instability has inclined Beijing to
respond to its "Tibet problem" with violence, economic coercion and
endless propaganda. But decades of social development and
infrastructure improvements have failed to win over the millions of
Tibetans who live in the vast expanse of grasslands and mountains of
the Tibetan plateau.
Almost every one of the 22 people who have set themselves on fire over
the last year had the same demand: Beijing must stay out of Tibetan
religious affairs and allow the return of the Dalai Lama.
Neitherdemand is likely to be answered anytime soon. And yet, they
demonstrate the depth of reverence for the man viewed as the
embodiment of the intangible Tibetan faith. No degree of force or
"re-education" can wipe away that belief.
In Tibetan Buddhism, the Dalai Lama is believed to be the earthly
embodiment of the Bodhisattva Avalokiteshvara, the deity of
compassion. The incarnations of the Dalai Lama in different
individuals have served as the spiritual and temporal leader of
Tibetans for centuries.
China's manipulation of reincarnation doctrine - with Beijing
introducing a law mandating that lamas, including the Dalai Lama, be
approved by the officially atheist Communist Party - is rightly seen
as an attemptto wipe out the Tibetan identity.
The spate of self-immolations is only a glimpse of the unrest that
China will see if the Dalai Lama, now 76, dies without a solution that
is acceptable to Tibetans. Kirti Rinpoche, an exiled abbot of
amonastery that has seen about half of the recent immolations, told me
that unless China changes its policies on religious practices, the
crisis will deepen.
"The Chinese communist government should consider the situation and
they should improve it," the abbot said, "or it could lead to
violence." Tibetans, he said, "are helpless".
Not all Tibetans would see themselves as helpless bystanders. In
death, Lobsang Jamyang may have accomplished morethan he could have in
life. Far from driving the Tibetan issue underground, China's military
response has only generated more unity and resolve.
"People were coming [to pay respects] from as far away as Lhasa,"
Lobsang's friend, who asked to remain anonymous, told me. "There is a
spark of unity, and nationalism, now in Tibet; nationalism that is
being sparked for the first time."
It is true that Beijing's grip on the Tibetan region faces no real
challenge. Tibetans are not demanding political independence. Rather,
they are calling for religious freedom, recognition of the status of
high lamas and cultural respect.
Beijing's response, then, will shape the future. This is not an
Arab-style rebellion that threatens regime change. But the deployment
of police and tankscannot frighten protesters who are willing to set
themselves on fire.
For now, Tibetans across the plateau continue to hold on to a belief
that the Dalai Lama can, and will, bring them salvation. When his
light is extinguished, do not expect the sparks of unrest and
rebellion to disappear with it.
In article <2942143.d8Il1pS3ox@Dharma>,
bmo...@nyx.net
Feb 28, 2012, 9:04:35 PM2/28/12
to
silly tactics amount to little more than
1) If the US government does it, it's evil.
2) If the Dalai Lama does it, it's evil.
3) If the Chinese government does it, it's OK.
Your lies have been refuted again and again, but you keep on repeating
them. You are one crazy loon!
>
> read more »
lo yeeOn
Feb 29, 2012, 12:25:58 AM2/29/12
to
DHARAMSHALA: An 18-year-old monk immolated himself in front of a
monastery in Tibet. While in flames, he was praying, "May His Holiness
the Dalai Lama live thousands of years" and "Freedom for Tibet". (For
more see the India Times article attached below).
In article <7f847a56-697e-478f...@c21g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
But first, please note:
The Tibet situation has very little to do with China's official
policy.
It has everything to do with the lack of consciousness of those who
still cling on to an anachronistic religion.
And it is true also that the current societal attitude in the U.S.
towards this kind of moronic terrorist act of self-immolation would
get those offending monasteries shut down. Just look what happened to
the mosques and Black churches which are constantly under surveillance
from the FBI! Now, that is really crazy, especially when the New York
City Mayor Bloomberg's been telling people that the wholesale practice
of spying on muslims are ok because "when you switch off the light at
night, think about your safety".
So, I really don't see how anyone who is calling for Tibet to secede
and threatens that the serial self-immolation will continue if Da Lama
is not allowed to rule Tibet again can be taken seriously.
Who can tolerate this kind of destruction, especially when life is
affected on a serial basis? I think the Chinese government has been
extremely careful about how it approaches this kind of disruptive and
destabilizing tactics from a group financed by NED money and whose
activities have been encouraged by a whole host of media outlets
supported by NED money also. [NED, just in case anybody doesn't know,
is the National Endowment for Democracy; it carries out the propaganda
tasks the CIA used to.]
------
Now, regarding your ad hominem:
First of all, you were not posting this follow-up for me to get this
or that because you didn't write anything of substance or worth for
anyone to get. You just wanted to throw some ad hominem, smear the
messenger who has a consciousness-arousing message (to disrupt the
western propaganda narrative), and fool some casual readers eyes who
might otherwise be interested in what I have to say.
Where did I write the 1), 2), and 3) you wrote above? Nowhere unless
you're referring to something like this:
>> Norbulingka is Da Lama's legacy as well as his lifetime
>> indictment as another corrupt religious head who did not care
>> about the masses under his rule. [Me the poster speaking]
>
> He was 15 years old at the time, you idiot! [you bmoore yelling]
So, I responded thus:
Oh yeah? "Only 15 years old at the time", eh? The 15-year old was
telling his servant/friend Herr Harrer:
"Heinrich, go tell `my people' to dig the ground at Norbulingka
and build me a nice movie theater, 'cause I really liked the
movies you and I were watching together last night ...! Okay,
Heinrich?"
If Da Lama was innocent, then you are a total idiot, no question
about it! So I should not be at all surprised to see how much you
want to keep drawing attention to yourself for the stupid and
meangingless work that you're doing on these internet newsgroups.
So, how did you refute anything I said in that post, pray tell?
(By the way, I hardly hang around here like you do: lying in wait and
come out and do you snip-snipe: ltlee, you're the most disingenuous!
. . ., beagle, you're lying! . . . Hanging around here is not my job,
unlike you, who needs to help out hard-yards indefensible posts.)
Da Lama convicted himself royally with his Norbulingka escapade well
documented in the wikipedia. I have never seen any refutation of
anything I said except ad hominem such as those coming from you. Name
just one thing I have said about Da Lama which isn't true that can be
refuted with documented evidence such as the wikipedia source I have
used, then maybe you might have some credibility. No use to just
making outlandish assertions about a poster!
I have no tactics except to show the world how ludicrous the stories
your pal hard-yards comes up with and pushes out day in and day out.
You know why you pal is called hard-yards, don't you?
For those who aren't aware, this is the history: It came about because
you were arrogantly giving orders and did so over the internet. You
told hard-yards and his F-T pal to call off the dog which was
furiously barking at me. You thought (at that time) that your
intimidation would frighten me and the truth away. So hard-yards' pal
in response to your compliment for them "you guys are doing a good
job" by saying hard-yards was actually the guy who was "doing all the
hard yards". The propaganda routines you and your errand boys were
doing were so clumsy, it was beyond belief.
So as empty as you are, you can say "tactics" and "lies" and "crazy"
and "loon" and "yawn" all you want - they don't bother me because they
don't describe me or my posts. I'm at least not that dumb to be
bothered by them. On the other hand, it just shows that you are as
desperate as Da Lama and his cohorts in Dharamsala. You and they can
all fool the casual and unthinking readers. But people who can read
and think for themselves can draw their own conclusions. Why are you
so excited about me, anyway? Besides, one thing I always do is speak
with integrity and care so as to not let your type get in and ruin the
message.
The Tibet situation has very little to do with China's official
policy.
It has everything to do with the lack of consciousness of those who
still cling on to an anachronistic religion.
And it is true also that the current societal attitude in the U.S.
towards this kind of moronic terrorist act of self-immolation would
get those offending monasteries shut down. Just look what happened to
the mosques and Black churches which are constantly under surveillance
from the FBI! Now, that is really crazy, especially when the New York
City Mayor Bloomberg's been telling people that the wholesale practice
of spying on muslims are ok because "when you switch off the light at
night, think about your safety".
So, I really don't see how anyone who is calling for Tibet to secede
and threatens that the serial self-immolation will continue if Da Lama
is not allowed to rule Tibet again can be taken seriously.
Who can tolerate this kind of destruction, especially when life is
affected on a serial basis? I think the Chinese government has been
extremely careful about how it approaches this kind of disruptive and
destabilizing tactics from a group financed by NED money and whose
activities have been encouraged by a whole host of media outlets
supported by NED money also. [NED, just in case anybody doesn't know,
is the National Endowment for Democracy, and carries out the
propaganda tasks the CIA used to.]
And what was my tactics? I called for the Tibetan people to get a
good education so that they don't make the stupid assessment that they
should die in flames so that Da Lama can live for thousands of years.
What glory is there to be uneducated? Did you have an education? Did
you learn biology, physics, mathematics, and logic? Is there a path
from any of these disciplines one can build to make the destruction of
your own life for the sake of a despotic theocracy worthwhile? And
why should most of the Tibetans go back to live in a society in which
you and your mother's fate are doomed to reincarnate as worms while Da
blessed Lama can freely go from one woman's womb to another woman's
womb and remain a man and live in Potola and Norbulingka life after
life?
Anyone who would condone self-immolation in support of such a despotic
theocracy has no interest in the well-being of the people who are
exploited by the religion. You should meditate about your attitude
before you attack someone like me who doesn't fear your intimidation.
You're totally despicable!
lo yeeOn
========
My original post attached here for the reader's benefit:
So, hard-yards is pushing this pile of whiny bull:
>\342\200\234Not only are foreign media organizations prevented from
>covering these events, but the authorities have also organized a
>veritable disinformation campaign, using pro-government media such
>as the Global Times, which play down the disturbances and accuse
>the international community of interfering.
>
>\342\200\234Few media outlets are able to obtain first-hand
>information and fewer still manage to travel to the regions
>concerned.
>
>\342\200\234Out of sight of the world, a major crisis is unfolding.
>Even Pyongyang has an international media presence, . . . <snip>
Push, push, push . . ..
Now nobody can possibly be doing anything sinister to keep "foreign
media organizations" "from covering these events" because this kind of
news is pretty much just gossip stuff told "over tea" by a Da Lama
friendly propagandist, as we can see from the following report:
On the day in January when Lobsang Jamyang struck the match that
took his life, the former Tibetan monk paid the world a subtle
goodbye. He ate vegetarian food,visited his old monastery to circle
it in prayer, and counselled a recently divorced couple to get back
together.
Then, after drinking a bottle of petrol, his quiet preparations
became a visceral act of political protest. "When he was on fire,"
one of his friends told me recently over tea, "he exploded".
If this kind of ghastly terrorizing act wasn't done behind the public,
if it was done at all, the community that has been aiding and abetting
this kind of terrorist acts would have to be completely shut down for
failing to live up to its responsibility to protect and care for the
safety of their own members and the community at large - by any civil
society in which such a community exists.
back to lord over "his people"?
I'll instead call on the Tibetan people to wise up and spend their
time learning logic, mathematics, physics, and biology and see that
your own life is the greatest gift in the world any living being can
have. You burn yourself so that Da Lama can come back and live for
thousands of years? Don't fool yourself, there is no logical,
physical, biological, or mathematical path that can connect the
extinction of your life with Da Lama's existence, despicable or not.
You shouldn't imitate a moth and Da Lama should at least re-incarnate
Anti-causal or anachronistic? Not at all ... when it comes to those
who believe that Da Lama can reincarnate ad nauseum into another and
still another woman's womb and grow into a man and always a man again
and again in order to retain his lifestyle at Potola and Norbulingka
Palaces in Lhasa while keeping the masses at the dirt level either as
hard laborers or worms.
So what is the point of fighting for your freedom to hold on to a
religion if that religion simply deprives you of all your freedom to
think and live freely?
So, wake up! If you don't like anybody, it's within your right and
prerogative to do something right. But being foolish is never right
and will never help you live a better life or anyone else to do the
same.
lo yeeOn
========
I am attaching the following post for more thought on this subject.
In article <d8561f38-4400-41ae...@z12g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
>“Not only are foreign media organizations prevented from
-----
Tibet situation grim, needs global intervention, say exiles
TNN | Feb 25, 2012, 04.46AM IST
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Tibet-situation-grim-needs-global-intervention-say-exiles/articleshow/12027385.cms
DHARAMSHALA: An 18-year-old monk immolated himself in front of a
monastery in Tibet. While in flames, he was praying, "May His Holiness
the Dalai Lama live thousands of years" and "Freedom for Tibet".
Reported last week, it is the latest incident to have occurred in
Tibet against Chinese policies and in support of freedom, said the
Central Tibetan Administration (CTA), the exiled Tibetan community's
elected body based in this north Indian hill town.
"The situation inside Tibet is extremely grim. Tibet is virtually
sealed off. The military build-up is very heavy," said Thubten
Samphel, secretary of the department of information and international
relations of CTA.
The Chinese have launched a massive crackdown on Tibetans who visited
India for the Kalachakra teachings presided over by Tibetan spiritual
leader the Dalai Lama in Bodh Gaya in Bihar in January. Several
hundred Tibetans who had returned from India have been detained and
are being forced to undergo political re-education, said the CTA
quoting a New York-based Human Rights Watch (HRW) report.
HRW said it believed it was the first time since the late 1970s that
the authorities had detained Tibetan lay people in such large numbers,
and comes as China frets about unrest in Tibetan areas.
The Chinese government should immediately investigate the shootings of
Tibetan protesters by security forces, open Tibetan areas to
international observers, and engage with Tibetan representatives
address grievances and growing violence, HRW said.
It said the Chinese security forces opened fire on protesters January
23 and 24, killing at least two people and injuring dozen more.
"In the current very volatile situation, it is especially important
for Chinese forces to refrain from using disproportionate force," said
Sophie Richardson, China director at HRW.
In the past year, 23 monks, nuns and other Tibetans set themselves on
fire to protest Chinese rule, according to the CTA. It has procured
footage of Chinese police brutalities on Tibetans. Some 140,000
Tibetans now live in exile, over 100,000 of them in different parts of
India. Over six million Tibetans live in Tibet.
monastery in Tibet. While in flames, he was praying, "May His Holiness
the Dalai Lama live thousands of years" and "Freedom for Tibet". (For
more see the India Times article attached below).
In article <7f847a56-697e-478f...@c21g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>,
bmo...@nyx.net <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
>On Feb 28, 4:36� pm, acous...@panix.com (lo yeeOn) wrote:
>> So, hard-yards is pushing this pile of whiny bull:
>>
>On Feb 28, 4:36� pm, acous...@panix.com (lo yeeOn) wrote:
>> So, hard-yards is pushing this pile of whiny bull:
>>
>> if it was done at all, the community that has been aiding and abetting
>> this kind of terrorist acts would have to be completely shut down for
>> failing to live up to its responsibility to protect and care for the
>> safety of their own members and the community at large - by any civil
>> society in which such a community exists.
>
>LoYawn, you are crazy, so I don't expect you to get this, but your
>silly tactics amount to little more than
>
>1) If the US government does it, it's evil.
>
>2) If the Dalai Lama does it, it's evil.
>
>3) If the Chinese government does it, it's OK.
>
>Your lies have been refuted again and again, but you keep on repeating
>them. You are one crazy loon!
Let me respond to your ad hominem attack below.
>> this kind of terrorist acts would have to be completely shut down for
>> failing to live up to its responsibility to protect and care for the
>> safety of their own members and the community at large - by any civil
>> society in which such a community exists.
>
>LoYawn, you are crazy, so I don't expect you to get this, but your
>silly tactics amount to little more than
>
>1) If the US government does it, it's evil.
>
>2) If the Dalai Lama does it, it's evil.
>
>3) If the Chinese government does it, it's OK.
>
>Your lies have been refuted again and again, but you keep on repeating
>them. You are one crazy loon!
But first, please note:
The Tibet situation has very little to do with China's official
policy.
It has everything to do with the lack of consciousness of those who
still cling on to an anachronistic religion.
And it is true also that the current societal attitude in the U.S.
towards this kind of moronic terrorist act of self-immolation would
get those offending monasteries shut down. Just look what happened to
the mosques and Black churches which are constantly under surveillance
from the FBI! Now, that is really crazy, especially when the New York
City Mayor Bloomberg's been telling people that the wholesale practice
of spying on muslims are ok because "when you switch off the light at
night, think about your safety".
So, I really don't see how anyone who is calling for Tibet to secede
and threatens that the serial self-immolation will continue if Da Lama
is not allowed to rule Tibet again can be taken seriously.
Who can tolerate this kind of destruction, especially when life is
affected on a serial basis? I think the Chinese government has been
extremely careful about how it approaches this kind of disruptive and
destabilizing tactics from a group financed by NED money and whose
activities have been encouraged by a whole host of media outlets
supported by NED money also. [NED, just in case anybody doesn't know,
is the National Endowment for Democracy; it carries out the propaganda
tasks the CIA used to.]
------
Now, regarding your ad hominem:
First of all, you were not posting this follow-up for me to get this
or that because you didn't write anything of substance or worth for
anyone to get. You just wanted to throw some ad hominem, smear the
messenger who has a consciousness-arousing message (to disrupt the
western propaganda narrative), and fool some casual readers eyes who
might otherwise be interested in what I have to say.
Where did I write the 1), 2), and 3) you wrote above? Nowhere unless
you're referring to something like this:
>> Norbulingka is Da Lama's legacy as well as his lifetime
>> indictment as another corrupt religious head who did not care
>
> He was 15 years old at the time, you idiot! [you bmoore yelling]
So, I responded thus:
Oh yeah? "Only 15 years old at the time", eh? The 15-year old was
telling his servant/friend Herr Harrer:
"Heinrich, go tell `my people' to dig the ground at Norbulingka
and build me a nice movie theater, 'cause I really liked the
movies you and I were watching together last night ...! Okay,
Heinrich?"
If Da Lama was innocent, then you are a total idiot, no question
about it! So I should not be at all surprised to see how much you
want to keep drawing attention to yourself for the stupid and
meangingless work that you're doing on these internet newsgroups.
(By the way, I hardly hang around here like you do: lying in wait and
come out and do you snip-snipe: ltlee, you're the most disingenuous!
. . ., beagle, you're lying! . . . Hanging around here is not my job,
unlike you, who needs to help out hard-yards indefensible posts.)
Da Lama convicted himself royally with his Norbulingka escapade well
documented in the wikipedia. I have never seen any refutation of
anything I said except ad hominem such as those coming from you. Name
just one thing I have said about Da Lama which isn't true that can be
refuted with documented evidence such as the wikipedia source I have
used, then maybe you might have some credibility. No use to just
making outlandish assertions about a poster!
I have no tactics except to show the world how ludicrous the stories
your pal hard-yards comes up with and pushes out day in and day out.
You know why you pal is called hard-yards, don't you?
For those who aren't aware, this is the history: It came about because
you were arrogantly giving orders and did so over the internet. You
told hard-yards and his F-T pal to call off the dog which was
furiously barking at me. You thought (at that time) that your
intimidation would frighten me and the truth away. So hard-yards' pal
in response to your compliment for them "you guys are doing a good
job" by saying hard-yards was actually the guy who was "doing all the
hard yards". The propaganda routines you and your errand boys were
doing were so clumsy, it was beyond belief.
So as empty as you are, you can say "tactics" and "lies" and "crazy"
and "loon" and "yawn" all you want - they don't bother me because they
don't describe me or my posts. I'm at least not that dumb to be
bothered by them. On the other hand, it just shows that you are as
desperate as Da Lama and his cohorts in Dharamsala. You and they can
all fool the casual and unthinking readers. But people who can read
and think for themselves can draw their own conclusions. Why are you
so excited about me, anyway? Besides, one thing I always do is speak
with integrity and care so as to not let your type get in and ruin the
message.
The Tibet situation has very little to do with China's official
policy.
It has everything to do with the lack of consciousness of those who
still cling on to an anachronistic religion.
And it is true also that the current societal attitude in the U.S.
towards this kind of moronic terrorist act of self-immolation would
get those offending monasteries shut down. Just look what happened to
the mosques and Black churches which are constantly under surveillance
from the FBI! Now, that is really crazy, especially when the New York
City Mayor Bloomberg's been telling people that the wholesale practice
of spying on muslims are ok because "when you switch off the light at
night, think about your safety".
So, I really don't see how anyone who is calling for Tibet to secede
and threatens that the serial self-immolation will continue if Da Lama
is not allowed to rule Tibet again can be taken seriously.
Who can tolerate this kind of destruction, especially when life is
affected on a serial basis? I think the Chinese government has been
extremely careful about how it approaches this kind of disruptive and
destabilizing tactics from a group financed by NED money and whose
activities have been encouraged by a whole host of media outlets
supported by NED money also. [NED, just in case anybody doesn't know,
is the National Endowment for Democracy, and carries out the
propaganda tasks the CIA used to.]
And what was my tactics? I called for the Tibetan people to get a
good education so that they don't make the stupid assessment that they
should die in flames so that Da Lama can live for thousands of years.
What glory is there to be uneducated? Did you have an education? Did
you learn biology, physics, mathematics, and logic? Is there a path
from any of these disciplines one can build to make the destruction of
your own life for the sake of a despotic theocracy worthwhile? And
why should most of the Tibetans go back to live in a society in which
you and your mother's fate are doomed to reincarnate as worms while Da
blessed Lama can freely go from one woman's womb to another woman's
womb and remain a man and live in Potola and Norbulingka life after
life?
Anyone who would condone self-immolation in support of such a despotic
theocracy has no interest in the well-being of the people who are
exploited by the religion. You should meditate about your attitude
before you attack someone like me who doesn't fear your intimidation.
You're totally despicable!
lo yeeOn
========
My original post attached here for the reader's benefit:
So, hard-yards is pushing this pile of whiny bull:
>\342\200\234Not only are foreign media organizations prevented from
>covering these events, but the authorities have also organized a
>veritable disinformation campaign, using pro-government media such
>as the Global Times, which play down the disturbances and accuse
>the international community of interfering.
>
>\342\200\234Few media outlets are able to obtain first-hand
>information and fewer still manage to travel to the regions
>concerned.
>
>\342\200\234Out of sight of the world, a major crisis is unfolding.
>Even Pyongyang has an international media presence, . . . <snip>
Now nobody can possibly be doing anything sinister to keep "foreign
media organizations" "from covering these events" because this kind of
news is pretty much just gossip stuff told "over tea" by a Da Lama
friendly propagandist, as we can see from the following report:
On the day in January when Lobsang Jamyang struck the match that
took his life, the former Tibetan monk paid the world a subtle
goodbye. He ate vegetarian food,visited his old monastery to circle
it in prayer, and counselled a recently divorced couple to get back
together.
Then, after drinking a bottle of petrol, his quiet preparations
became a visceral act of political protest. "When he was on fire,"
one of his friends told me recently over tea, "he exploded".
If this kind of ghastly terrorizing act wasn't done behind the public,
if it was done at all, the community that has been aiding and abetting
this kind of terrorist acts would have to be completely shut down for
failing to live up to its responsibility to protect and care for the
safety of their own members and the community at large - by any civil
society in which such a community exists.
I'll instead call on the Tibetan people to wise up and spend their
time learning logic, mathematics, physics, and biology and see that
your own life is the greatest gift in the world any living being can
have. You burn yourself so that Da Lama can come back and live for
thousands of years? Don't fool yourself, there is no logical,
physical, biological, or mathematical path that can connect the
extinction of your life with Da Lama's existence, despicable or not.
at least once as a worm so that he can help the other worms to redress
their pains suffered when their cold hard lives on the Tibetan plateau
were disturbed in order to satisfy the earthly pleasure of Da Lama and
his aristocratic friends at their movies parties in mid-summer nights
way back when they should have been helping to improve the lives and
longevity of "their people".
their pains suffered when their cold hard lives on the Tibetan plateau
were disturbed in order to satisfy the earthly pleasure of Da Lama and
his aristocratic friends at their movies parties in mid-summer nights
way back when they should have been helping to improve the lives and
Anti-causal or anachronistic? Not at all ... when it comes to those
who believe that Da Lama can reincarnate ad nauseum into another and
still another woman's womb and grow into a man and always a man again
and again in order to retain his lifestyle at Potola and Norbulingka
Palaces in Lhasa while keeping the masses at the dirt level either as
hard laborers or worms.
So what is the point of fighting for your freedom to hold on to a
religion if that religion simply deprives you of all your freedom to
So, wake up! If you don't like anybody, it's within your right and
prerogative to do something right. But being foolish is never right
and will never help you live a better life or anyone else to do the
same.
lo yeeOn
========
I am attaching the following post for more thought on this subject.
On the day in January when Lobsang Jamyang struck the match that took
his life, the former Tibetan monk paid the world a subtle goodbye. He
ate vegetarian food,visited his old monastery to circle it in prayer,
and counselled a recently divorced couple to get back together.
Then, after drinking a bottle of petrol, his quiet preparations became
a visceral act of political protest. "When he was on fire," one of his
friends told me recently over tea, "he exploded".
his life, the former Tibetan monk paid the world a subtle goodbye. He
ate vegetarian food,visited his old monastery to circle it in prayer,
and counselled a recently divorced couple to get back together.
Then, after drinking a bottle of petrol, his quiet preparations became
a visceral act of political protest. "When he was on fire," one of his
friends told me recently over tea, "he exploded".
>covering these events, but the authorities have also organized a
>veritable disinformation campaign, using pro-government media such as
>the Global Times, which play down the disturbances and accuse the
>international community of interfering.
>
>“Few media outlets are able to obtain first-hand
>veritable disinformation campaign, using pro-government media such as
>the Global Times, which play down the disturbances and accuse the
>international community of interfering.
>
>information and fewer still manage to travel to the regions
>concerned.
>
>concerned.
>
Tibet situation grim, needs global intervention, say exiles
TNN | Feb 25, 2012, 04.46AM IST
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Tibet-situation-grim-needs-global-intervention-say-exiles/articleshow/12027385.cms
DHARAMSHALA: An 18-year-old monk immolated himself in front of a
monastery in Tibet. While in flames, he was praying, "May His Holiness
the Dalai Lama live thousands of years" and "Freedom for Tibet".
Reported last week, it is the latest incident to have occurred in
Tibet against Chinese policies and in support of freedom, said the
Central Tibetan Administration (CTA), the exiled Tibetan community's
elected body based in this north Indian hill town.
"The situation inside Tibet is extremely grim. Tibet is virtually
sealed off. The military build-up is very heavy," said Thubten
Samphel, secretary of the department of information and international
relations of CTA.
The Chinese have launched a massive crackdown on Tibetans who visited
India for the Kalachakra teachings presided over by Tibetan spiritual
leader the Dalai Lama in Bodh Gaya in Bihar in January. Several
hundred Tibetans who had returned from India have been detained and
are being forced to undergo political re-education, said the CTA
quoting a New York-based Human Rights Watch (HRW) report.
HRW said it believed it was the first time since the late 1970s that
the authorities had detained Tibetan lay people in such large numbers,
and comes as China frets about unrest in Tibetan areas.
The Chinese government should immediately investigate the shootings of
Tibetan protesters by security forces, open Tibetan areas to
international observers, and engage with Tibetan representatives
address grievances and growing violence, HRW said.
It said the Chinese security forces opened fire on protesters January
23 and 24, killing at least two people and injuring dozen more.
"In the current very volatile situation, it is especially important
for Chinese forces to refrain from using disproportionate force," said
Sophie Richardson, China director at HRW.
In the past year, 23 monks, nuns and other Tibetans set themselves on
fire to protest Chinese rule, according to the CTA. It has procured
footage of Chinese police brutalities on Tibetans. Some 140,000
Tibetans now live in exile, over 100,000 of them in different parts of
India. Over six million Tibetans live in Tibet.
lo yeeOn
Feb 29, 2012, 12:38:12 AM2/29/12
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DHARAMSHALA: An 18-year-old monk immolated himself in front of a
monastery in Tibet. While in flames, he was praying,
"May His Holiness the Dalai Lama live thousands of years" and
"Freedom for Tibet".
See below or go to the website with this url
monastery in Tibet. While in flames, he was praying,
"May His Holiness the Dalai Lama live thousands of years" and
"Freedom for Tibet".
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Tibet-situation-grim-needs-global-intervention-say-exiles/articleshow/12027385.cms
So, hard-yards is pushing this pile of whiny bull:
>covering these events, but the authorities have also organized a
>veritable disinformation campaign, using pro-government media such
>as the Global Times, which play down the disturbances and accuse
>the international community of interfering.
>
>\342\200\234Few media outlets are able to obtain first-hand
>veritable disinformation campaign, using pro-government media such
>as the Global Times, which play down the disturbances and accuse
>the international community of interfering.
>
>information and fewer still manage to travel to the regions
>concerned.
>
>concerned.
>
>\342\200\234Out of sight of the world, a major crisis is unfolding.
>Even Pyongyang has an international media presence, . . . <snip>
Push, push , push . . ..
>Even Pyongyang has an international media presence, . . . <snip>
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Peter Terpstra
Feb 29, 2012, 11:50:30 AM2/29/12
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lo yeeOn wrote:
> Explosive news over tea vs. the Norbulingka story: Da Lama's decadence for
> the summer time as the Tibetan masses remained illiterate and died young!
:-P
Hahahahaha!
Have a nice day mister lo yeeOn.
> Explosive news over tea vs. the Norbulingka story: Da Lama's decadence for
> the summer time as the Tibetan masses remained illiterate and died young!
:-P
Hahahahaha!
Have a nice day mister lo yeeOn.
bmo...@nyx.net
Feb 29, 2012, 1:04:47 PM2/29/12
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No, it's actually true that you are batshit crazy. It's the only
explanation for the fact that your analysis of every situation you
comment on is way off the mark. I just want to make sure that any
misguided souls out there don't make the mistake of giving your words
any credibility, because they certainly don't deserve any. And the
fact that you are nuts means that there is no chance of any semblance
of rational discussion with you about it. Just want to make sure that
folks know that.
explanation for the fact that your analysis of every situation you
comment on is way off the mark. I just want to make sure that any
misguided souls out there don't make the mistake of giving your words
any credibility, because they certainly don't deserve any. And the
fact that you are nuts means that there is no chance of any semblance
of rational discussion with you about it. Just want to make sure that
folks know that.
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