Michelle tells us the details of tonight's state dinner. In case you want to make it at home and eat with them in front of your TV
GLOBALIST
dinner.
The dinner will start off with potato and eggplant salad, arugula from
the White House garden with onion-seed vinaigrette. The soup course
will feature red lentil soup with French cheese. Guests will have a
choice of roasted potato dumplings with tomato chutney, chick peas and
okra or green curry prawns. Coconut basmati rice will be served.
Dessert will be pumpkin pie tart, pear tartin, whipped cream and
caramel sauce. Also served after dinner will be petitsfours and
coffee, cashew brittle, pecan pralines, passion fruit and vanilla
gelees and chocolate-dipped fruit.
Guests will be seated at round tables of 10. The linens will be apple
green and will contrast with the deep purple floral arrangements. The
flowers will be garden roses, sweet peas in deep plum, purple and
fuschia, and hydrangea.
There will be three sets of china used: service plates will be from
the Eisenhower collection, selected in 1955, and from the Clinton set,
selected in 2000. The dinner plates will from the George W. Bush china
patter, used in 2008 and 2009.
Artists performing will be Jennifer Hudson, Marvin Hamlisch, A.R.
Rahman, Kurt Elling, the National Symphony Orchestra and the Marine
Band.
toci
I'd rather have my food. Toci
High Miles
What - no ribeyes ????
AndyS
>
> >I'd rather have my food. Toci
>
> So do tell us the menu you would serve at a state dinner where your
> honored guest is a vegetarian? Tell us about "your" food, please.
Andy comments:
Welsh rabbit ????? :>)))))
High Miles
> traudtionally contains contains beer or ale-- and for the honored
> guest beer may be a no no. But it is good without it, with
> Worchestire sauce in it.
I've enjoyed some tasty veg sushi - fishless of course.
toci
>
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Rachel is vegan and Matthew vegetarian, so we sub tofurkey for
turkey. Otherwise traditional golden potato, sweet potato, dressing,
brocholi, cranberry salad, and pumpkin pie, with conventional
condiments. If we had an Indian guest, we would of course ask what
he would like to add, and hope it's not arugula. No prawns, under any
circumstances, though. Toci
Rumpelstiltskin
>On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:24:15 -0800 (PST), AndyS <andys...@juno.com>
>wrote:
>
>That is a tasty cheese sauce served usually over toast and
>traudtionally contains contains beer or ale-- and for the honored
>guest beer may be a no no. But it is good without it, with
>Worchestire sauce in it.
Actually that's "Welsh rarebit". There's a discussion of
the possibly humorous origin of "rabbit" in the Wikipedia
article about it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_rarebit
Worcestershire sauce goes well with cheddar cheese. It's
also the only sauce I use on steak, but I also use aniseed
while crockpotting steak. I sometimes use aniseed and
worcestershire sauce together, but it's probably better to use
one or the other but not both. Both together confuses the
flavour.
Ga...@comcast.net
"GLOBALIST" <free....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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First lady Michelle Obama announced the details of Tuesday�s state
dinner.
There will be three sets of china used: service plates will be from
the Eisenhower collection, selected in 1955, and from the Clinton set,
selected in 2000. The dinner plates will from the George W. Bush china
patter, used in 2008 and 2009.
the bush pattern ???
are those the ones with the john deere tractor ?
Evelyn
"Rumpelstiltskin" <nob...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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When I make a cheese sauce I start by melting butter in a saucepan, adding a
few tbsp. flour, then a little Coleman's English dry mustard, Worcestershire
sauce, some grated onion, a dash of hot paprika, and of course, salt and
pepper. Then I add milk and stir it till it is thickened. Then I add
grated, extra sharp cheddar and stir till melted. It is good for anything
you would use cheese sauce. It is great for Mac and cheese, spooned over
vegetables, poured over eggs benedict (instead of hollandaise).... whatever.
--
Evelyn
"Even as a mother protects with her life her only child, So with a boundless
heart let one cherish all living beings." --Sutta Nipata 1.8
AndyS
> traudtionally contains contains beer or ale-- and for the honored
> guest beer may be a no no. But it is good without it, with
> Worchestire sauce in it.
Andy comments:
Of course.... It is a vegetarian dish.... Perhaps you don't
understand sarcasm ... No matter.....
Eureka rabbit is different, however. That is the dead carcass of
a furry creature that is found trying to demolish a garden, and is
usually shot with a Henry......
It is very tasty when Welsh rabbit is used as a dip !!!!
Andy in Eureka, Texas
PS By the way, the actual term is "Welsh Rarebit"..... but I
guess you didn't know that...... Or the concept of "irony".....
AndyS
>
> Rachel is vegan and Matthew vegetarian, so we sub tofurkey for
> turkey. Otherwise traditional golden potato, sweet potato, dressing,
> brocholi, cranberry salad, and pumpkin pie, with conventional
> condiments. If we had an Indian guest, we would of course ask what
> he would like to add, and hope it's not arugula. No prawns, under any
> circumstances, though. Toci
Andy responds
I have a daughter-in-law that is a militant vegan and whacko animal
rights activist. Protest marches, jail, and all that stuff.....
She doesn't eat "meat" , but boy can she put away the
spaghetti.....
Anyway, we don't step on each other's tails.... Other than being
a certifiable psycho, she is as dear to me as our other girls......
One just has to make adjustments for people one loves.....
Interesting, how some people want to ENFORCE their own dietary
preference on others, and some just like to joke about it......
Andy in Eureka, Texas
"If God didn't want us to eat animals, He wouldn't have made
them out of meat !!!!!! "
Evelyn
"AndyS" <andys...@juno.com> wrote in message
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Militant vegetarians can be very tiresome. I have done many a verbal
battle with them on the buddhist newsgroups. I always say that real
morality has much more to do with what comes out of your mouth than what you
put into it.
AndyS
>
> Militant vegetarians can be very tiresome. I have done many a verbal
> battle with them on the buddhist newsgroups.
Andy comments:
Why do you bother ??? Much easier to nod your head, smile, and
be pleasant while offering them a bite of your Slim Jim......
Fortunately, in addition to being a whacko bush eater, my Maggie
has a great sense of humor......
Andy in Eureka, Texas
PS I , myself, am a tree-hugging owl kisser.... but there are limits
to my
philanimalthropy.... I will not disgrace the evolution
or my ameobic ancestors by denying my position at the top
of the food chain.......
more from "The World According to JungleAndy"
Olly Mensch
"fierce' vegetarians or vegans. Why??? It is their privilige to "feed"
themselves as they choose - - and, for all we know - they might be far
wiser than we are.
One of my sons is a vegan- I have a hard time even watching what he eats
- but he is very heathy - and his wife has become vegan also - and so
what??? In fact - there are times - as, for instance, when (last year)
after dinner, my DIL's old Mother, from Maine, ripped apart, with her
bare hands, the carcass of the turkey (for soup) and it was a horrid
sight (for me) and, at that very moment, I thought perhaps I should
become a vegan - but didn't!!
I figure that, with my traditional diet, I have reached the age of 92
(thanks to meds.!!) so why change now. But - I do respect their views,
and hope it will pay dividends and allow them to live a long, long life.
Why argue??
Olly
Evelyn
"Olly Mensch" <liese...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Goodness, Olly..... I certainly don't care what people eat, and I fully
respect their views and even quite often go vegetarian myself!
No.....it is THEY who are extremely militant and even quite abusive and
aggressive, involving name calling etc. angrily attacking anyone who eats
meat at all.
Being a diabetic, my diet must include sufficient protein, while
carbohydrates need to be kept within a certain range. So it becomes a
matter of some contention amongst certain elements. They even attacked the
Dalai Lama about being an occasional meat eater. There are a good many
buddhists who are vegetarians, because we don't harm living things. But
the buddhists who are from Tibet, due to its limited agriculture, do eat
some meat.
Thus it is a recurring argument that pops up from time to time on the
buddhist newsgroups. There are quite a few interesting nuances to the
subject, as you can imagine. Some will only eat large animals, such as
beef, rather than shrimp or chicken or fish, because if one cow dies, it can
feed many people, whereas a whole plate full of shrimp must die to feed only
one person. Others won't eat dairy or honey since these products are
"stolen" from the rightful recipients. Yet Buddha himself actually did
eat meat, as he and his monks would beg their food every day, and they ate
what they were given.
As for myself, I think that we are creatures who survive by eating other
creatures, and we eat the "babies" of the wheat and grains, devour the
"children" of the fruit trees.....and nobody knows whether a carrot is
screaming when we "kill" it. You can drive yourself crazy thinking
foolishness like that....... or you can simply be respectful that something
had to die in order for you to live, and not be wasteful or foolish with
food to the best of ones ability.
Enough said!
High Miles
> tasty and innovative recipes. I do eat some meat but really don't
> crave it and given enough other choices can live happily without
> it.
>
> I'd have trouble though without cheese or other dairy. And
> seafood.
The Conscious Cook by Tal Ronnen is a good veg volume, and would make
a fine gift for anyone who just wants to eat healthier - sometimes.
JC
I like collard greens and chitlins'.
I always thought it was a sin to eat whorehound candy.
toci
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Rachel is definite, but not militant. We usually eat separately. But
when we eat together, we go vegan. Toci
Rumpelstiltskin
<snip>
>Militant vegetarians can be very tiresome. I have done many a verbal
>battle with them on the buddhist newsgroups. I always say that real
>morality has much more to do with what comes out of your mouth than what you
>put into it.
Nevertheless, I do think militant vegetarians have a point.
I might well find it tiresome too, if I knew any, but I think
they have a point anyway. Unfortunately, it's a point for a
perfect world, and if there's anything more certain than death
or taxes, it's that this isn't a "perfect" world.
Life feeds on life. My cat is part of that cycle and so am I.
My cat doesn't trouble his head about it but I do. The
Knights of the Round Table, I've heard, swore to "Tend to
the Good" on the grounds that in this world, it's impossible
to "be" good. We humans dream of perfection, but our
minds are the only place in the known universe where
"perfection" has a pillow on which to lay its head.
toci
> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:44:50 -0500, "Evelyn" <evelyn.r...@gmail.com>
My cat wants to eat what we eat, but is sometimes very
disappointed. Toci
toci
Many of the absolutes have a place only in our heads, and it's
surprising more people don't know this. Toci
Rumpelstiltskin
<snip>
>My cat wants to eat what we eat, but is sometimes very
>disappointed. Toci
My cat never wants what I eat, except that if I have
grape nuts and fruit and cream, he will lap the remaining
cream out of the bowl when I'm finished. He'd lap it
while I'm still eating it, if I let him. If I give him cream of
his own though, he'll take one lick and then walk away.
I think he maybe likes the residual fruit flavour (bananas,
strawberries, and/or blueberries).
Rumpelstiltskin
<snip>
>Many of the absolutes have a place only in our heads, and it's
>surprising more people don't know this. Toci
I just finished a crossword puzzle, where five of the
clues were:
Start of a Platonian quote:
(all knowledge)
Start of a Socratic quote:
(all learning)
Middle of either quote:
(is but)
End of the Platonian quote:
(remembering)
End of the Socratic quote:
(recollection)
"Plato's Cave" says a lot about "truth". I personally
don't quite agree with it myself, since I think that not
only is the material world indistinguishable from illusion,
but even the "forms" that can be deduced from the
material world could be just illusion too. The "forms"
do say how the universe works, but not whether the
universe itself has any substance, IMV. The "fact"
(IMV) that there can never be an answer to "Why is
there something instead of nothing?" demonstrates
(again IMV) that "logic" is not the answer to all things.
Therefore we are totally at sea in the final analysis.
"Cause and effect" is the only way we have to
understand how anything works, but the fact of
existence cannot be the "effect" of anything but
existence itself. Since the question of existence can
be answered only in terms of itself, in the final
analysis we don't know, and cannot know, "why"
existence exists.
IMV of course, but no matter what anybody else
thinks of it, I'm dead certain it's absolutely correct.
That's from a philosophical standpoint.
From a worldly standpoint, I'm ticked off because
I just got back from going to the little local branch
of the library for the first time in a couple of years,
because I found on the web there's a CD there
that I want to borrow, only to find that the library is
closed Wed-Fri for Thanksgiving. I also bought
some ice cream and latke mix and rigatoni, all on
sale at Safeway. And I talked to my neighbor and
to my cat.
As Enkidu put it, "Do not trouble yourself about
the gods. Their concerns are not ours. Tend to
your fields, and love your children, for these are
the affairs of men."
toci
> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:45:08 -0800 (PST), toci <gina...@yahoo.com>
Sounds like Plato learned something from Socrates. Cats, however, are
exempt from either believing or disbelieving in absolutes. Toci
Rumpelstiltskin
<snip>
>Sounds like Plato learned something from Socrates. Cats, however, are
>exempt from either believing or disbelieving in absolutes. Toci
old age sticks
up Keep
Off
signs)&
youth yanks them
down(old
age
cries No
Tres)&(pas)
youth laughs
(sing
old age
scolds Forbid
den Stop
Must
n't Don't
&)youth goes
right on
gr
owing old
-- e.e.cummings
(I don't know how relevant that is, it just struck
my fancy at the moment.)
Rumpelstiltskin
This is the one I was actually looking for when I found the
one above, but I couldn't find this one at first because I had
a word wrong:
ecco a letter starting"dearest we"
unsigned:remarkably brief but covering
one complete miracle of nearest far
"i cordially invite me to become
noone except yourselves r s v p"
she cannot read or write,la moon. Employs
a very crazily how clownlike that
this quickly ghost scribbling from there to where
-name unless i'm mistaken chauvesouris-
whose grammar is atrocious;but so what
princess selene doesn't know a thing
who's much too busy being her beautiful yes.
The place is now
let us accept
(the time
forever,and you'll wear your silver shoes
-- e.e.cummings
toci
> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:50:56 -0800, Rumpelstiltskin
>
>
>
>
>
> <nob...@nowhere.net> wrote:
>
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e.e. cummings also has no need to believe or disbelieve in absolutes.
The rest of us, post Aristotelean as we are, should be wary. Toci
AndyS
> Evelyn - you spoke of the many militant battles you have done with
> "fierce' vegetarians or vegans. Why??? It is their privilige to "feed"
> themselves as they choose - - and, for all we know - they might be far
> wiser than we are.
Andy comments:
Olly, it seems you haven't run into really MILITANT vegans
yet. Evelyn isn't talking about a passive discussion with someone
about eating bushes. My DIL Maggie will go "off the wall" in
INSISTING that nobody within earshot have a damn thing to do
with meat, and launch into her "cruelty to animals" speech, and
get red in the face and then start looking about for clothing that is
made of animal skin...... and THEN for clothing that is imitation
animal skin. ( Naugas are becoming extinct, since naugahide
is so popular )..... And she isn't kidding...
Now she doesn't go that crazy with me and Joanie, but she has
with others. So I am aware of the passion of people who follow
that star...... Sort of like having Jehova's Witnesses in your
house that won't leave......
Exactly the same as hearing an atheist rail and rail and rail
against Christians. And go on and on and on.......
However, my own way of dealing with people who show
such outrageous passion is to smile and let them burn themselves
out. It does absolutely no good at all to interject any comments
that escalate to an argument ---- I just let the wind blow, don't
comment, and, without anyone to argue with, the subject goes
away.......
In my opinion, it is nobler to suffer the slings and arrows of
outrageous fortune than to take arms against a SEA of troubles....
Especially when the other side isn't even listening....
But, heck, that's just me.......
Andy in Eureka, Texas
Rumpelstiltskin
wrote:
The preface to his book of poetry entitled "is 5"
concludes as follows:
Ineluctable preoccupation with The Verb gives a poet one
priceless advantage: whereas nonmakers must content
themselves with the merely undeniable fact that two times
two is four, he rejoices in a purely irresistible truth (to be
found, in abbreviated costume, upon the title page of the
present volume).
toci
> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 01:59:13 -0800 (PST), toci <gina...@yahoo.com>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Some Old Testament scholars have concluded that God is a verb. The
next step is concluding thast God is The Verb, I guess. So ee alone
has looked on God bare? Toci
toci
Rachel has been talked out on the subject until she gets with other
vegans. But she has an expressive face, and we know what she feels.
She has nothing against artificial leather, or for that matter
artificial turkey or hamburger, however. Toci