Swift boat vets hit Kerry again
Ruth E. Downs
Washington, DC, Sep. 17 (UPI) -- Sen. John Kerry's truthfulness on discarding his war medals to protest the Vietnam
conflict was targeted Friday by anti-Kerry veterans.
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, the 527 advocacy group made up of Kerry's former Navy colleagues in Vietnam, said Kerry's
conflicting accounts make him unrealiable and that the act itself was a betrayal of veterans and his country.
"When John Kerry threw his medals away, he betrayed his fellow veterans, he betrayed his country, and he betrayed every
American our armed forces have fought to protect, retired Adm. Roy Hoffmann, founder of the group said. "Now Kerry wants
us to forget what he did as he attempts to rewrite history." The ad ends with" "Can you trust anything he says?"
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth have hammered Kerry over alleged fabrication of his war exploits to gain three Purple
Hearts and two awards for bravery and for his later anti-war activism. Their cammpaign is believed at least partially
responsible for the drop in Kerry's favorability rating among veterans.
Kerry became a prominent anti-war activist after service in Vietnam and in 1971 was seen to throw his medals over the
White House fence. He said in a later interview he threw at least six medals away; in a 2004 he said he only threw away
the ribbons, not the medals themselves.
__
"If you have any question about what John Kerry's made of, just spend three minutes with the men who
served with him. ..." http://www.swiftvets.com/ --- John Edwards
Big T
"Ruth E. Downs" <redown...@newplus.net> wrote in message
news:1095440956.+sskL5TAyZc6HsLWtsxu/g@teranews...
(Videotape, MEET THE PRESS, April 18, 1971):
MR. KERRY (Vietnam Veterans Against the War): There are all kinds of
atrocities and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind
of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took
part in shootings in free-fire zones. I conducted harassment and
interdiction fire. I used 50-caliber machine guns which we were granted and
ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in
search-and-destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is
contrary to the laws of warfare. All of this is contrary to the Geneva
Conventions and all of this ordered as a matter of written established
policy by the government of the United States from the top down.
4 years experience as Commander in Chief versus 4 months as a War Criminal?
Tough choice, huh?
The email is real but if you ain't in my
address book, you ain't gettin' past
the guard.
Big T
Agathena
Ruth E. Downs wrote:
> Slime boat vets hit Kerry again
> served with him. ..." http://www.veteransforamerica.com/ --- John Edwards
Big T
"Agathena" <nos...@thisaddress.com> wrote in message
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--
This is all you need to know for this election:
bernard spilman
"Big T" <bi...@wcnet.net> wrote in message
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Four years as the worst president in 100 years? Prove
Kerry is a war criminal. You can't? Well then, the
decorated combat veteran is the clear choice.
WS
PS: Maybe soon I'll post the contents of your
hard drive, just to show you how tough your
fucking guard is, and who is or ain't "gettin'
past" it.
Big T
"bernard spilman" <bspilma...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:cVF2d.10967$n%3.77...@twister.southeast.rr.com...
I don't have to prove it. He confessed. Pay special attention to the part
"All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare." When one commits
atrocities, contrary to the laws of warfare, that makes one an admitted war
criminal. You can't change that.
--
This is all you need to know for this election:
(Videotape, MEET THE PRESS, April 18, 1971):
MR. KERRY (Vietnam Veterans Against the War): There are all kinds of
atrocities and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind
of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took
part in shootings in free-fire zones. I conducted harassment and
interdiction fire. I used 50-caliber machine guns which we were granted and
ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in
search-and-destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is
contrary to the laws of warfare. All of this is contrary to the Geneva
Conventions and all of this ordered as a matter of written established
policy by the government of the United States from the top down.
4 years experience as Commander in Chief versus 4 months as a War Criminal?
Tough choice, huh?
fairandbalancedhyco-limbaughfartdetector
<redown...@newplus.net> wrote:
>Swift boat vets hit Kerry again
>
>Washington, DC, Sep. 17 (UPI) -- Sen. John Kerry's truthfulness on discarding his war medals to protest the Vietnam
>conflict was targeted Friday by anti-Kerry veterans.
The AWOL Abetters' attacks on Kerry are the height of hypocrisy.
Anybody seen any WMDs lately? Oh that's right, we didn't attack Iraq
for that.
Big T
<Fair and Balanced Hyco-Limbaugh Fart Detector
Star Gazer phoebe
for blackening the name of a veteran who still maintains scars
from conflict. T he negative publicity has reached a new low
in political wars & I grant you it is effective. Is this the
level we want our democracy to sink or does anything goes!!!
Big T
"Star Gazer phoebe" <phor...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:4049-414...@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net...
fairandbalancedhyco-limbaughfartdetector
>
><Fair and Balanced Hyco-Limbaugh Fart Detector
>--
>This is all you need to know for this election:
>
>(Videotape, MEET THE PRESS, April 18, 1971):
>MR. KERRY (Vietnam Veterans Against the War): There are all kinds of
>atrocities and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind
>of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took
>part in shootings in free-fire zones. I conducted harassment and
>interdiction fire. I used 50-caliber machine guns which we were granted and
>ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in
>search-and-destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is
>contrary to the laws of warfare. All of this is contrary to the Geneva
>Conventions and all of this ordered as a matter of written established
>policy by the government of the United States from the top down.
>
Thousands and thousands of veterans did this. Its not even
controversial.
Big T
<Fair and Balanced Hyco-Limbaugh Fart Detector> wrote in message
news:414b4bdc....@news.supernews.com...
> On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 18:46:06 GMT, "Big T" <bi...@wcnet.net> wrote:
>
> >
> ><Fair and Balanced Hyco-Limbaugh Fart Detector
> >--
> >This is all you need to know for this election:
> >
> >(Videotape, MEET THE PRESS, April 18, 1971):
> >MR. KERRY (Vietnam Veterans Against the War): There are all kinds of
> >atrocities and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same
kind
> >of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I
took
> >part in shootings in free-fire zones. I conducted harassment and
> >interdiction fire. I used 50-caliber machine guns which we were granted
and
> >ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in
> >search-and-destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is
> >contrary to the laws of warfare. All of this is contrary to the Geneva
> >Conventions and all of this ordered as a matter of written established
> >policy by the government of the United States from the top down.
> >
>
> Thousands and thousands of veterans did this. Its not even
> controversial.
Let me know when they want to be the Commander in Chief. I'll be ready for
them.
--
This is all you need to know for this election:
(Videotape, MEET THE PRESS, April 18, 1971):
MR. KERRY (Vietnam Veterans Against the War): There are all kinds of
atrocities and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind
of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took
part in shootings in free-fire zones. I conducted harassment and
interdiction fire. I used 50-caliber machine guns which we were granted and
ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in
search-and-destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is
contrary to the laws of warfare. All of this is contrary to the Geneva
Conventions and all of this ordered as a matter of written established
policy by the government of the United States from the top down.
4 years experience as Commander in Chief versus 4 months as a War Criminal?
bernard spilman
"Bob Adkins" <bo...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:4rdmk0h0uti92dpsa...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 18:19:52 GMT, "bernard spilman"
> <bspilma...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> >Four years as the worst president in 100 years? Prove
>
> presidents of the century. I know that hurts your very soul, but you'll
just
> have to learn to deal with it.
By whom and by what criteria?
WS
GW *AWOL* Chimpzilla
>
>>By whom and by what criteria?
>
> The same people and criteria as all the others. Yes, GWB will be mentioned
> in the same breath with such greats as Reagan, Roosevelt, Roosevelt, and
> arguably Truman.
>
> -- Bob
Millard Fillmore, Chester A. Arthur....
--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee -- I know it's in Texas -- that says, fool
me once, shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again."
http://www.diymedia.net/audio/mp3/tdntb-bushwack2.mp3
Agathena
Big T wrote:
>4 years experience as Commander in Chief versus 4 months
as >a War Criminal?
>Tough choice, huh?
4 years in Champagne Unit of National Guard +
2 years AWOL
vs
TWO 2 tours of duty in Vietnam,
4 MONTHS in COMBAT
A.
Agathena
Bob Adkins wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 18:19:52 GMT, "bernard spilman"
> <bspilma...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Four years as the worst president in 100 years? Prove
>
>
> GWB has already been assured a place in history as one of the 3 or 4 best
> presidents of the century. I know that hurts your very soul, but you'll just
> have to learn to deal with it.
>
> -- Bob
Yeah right and you live in Pleasantville?
or in the Truman Show?
Bush created the slaughter and chaos in Iraq
and he will always be remembered for that by
the world for the rest of history.
Ken
wrote:
Never saw so much Bull Shit packed into a few words.
Care to enlighten us with some FACTS, you know the truth.
Even counting his visits to Vietnam for Congress to make himself
millions, it doesn't even make 1 full tour.
You can figure it out, it's basic adding.
Navy Tour of Duty = 12 Months
In-Country or in Vietnam would mean in vietnam, see how easy that was.
Ken
"Such is the irresistible nature of truth that all it asks, and all it
wants, is the liberty of appearing."
Jim E
Idiot, that would be twenty four months in country, not FOUR.
You libs count his "war" time the same way you count tax money, collect two,
count twenty, so spend fifty.
Liberals hate Americans
Jim E
Roger
"Ruth E. Downs" <redown...@newplus.net> wrote in message
news:1095440956.+sskL5TAyZc6HsLWtsxu/g@teranews...
> Swift boat vets hit Kerry again
>
> Washington, DC, Sep. 17 (UPI) -- Sen. John Kerry's truthfulness on
discarding his war
<snip>
Jim E
"Roger" <rog...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:IpR2d.17071$QJ3....@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
> UPI = Moonie Bullshit
>
Roger want a cracker ??
Donna Long
Donna Long
phor...@webtv.net (Star Gazer phoebe) wrote in message news:<4049-414...@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net>...
Big T
"GW *AWOL* Chimpzilla" <patriot-...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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--
We have to have government. Otherwise
Democrats would not be able to find a job
anywhere but McDonalds.
Big T
"Agathena"
--
This is all you need to know for this election:
(Videotape, MEET THE PRESS, April 18, 1971):
MR. KERRY (Vietnam Veterans Against the War): There are all kinds of
atrocities and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind
of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took
part in shootings in free-fire zones. I conducted harassment and
interdiction fire. I used 50-caliber machine guns which we were granted and
ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in
search-and-destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is
contrary to the laws of warfare. All of this is contrary to the Geneva
Conventions and all of this ordered as a matter of written established
policy by the government of the United States from the top down.
4 years experience as Commander in Chief versus 4 months as a War Criminal?
Tough choice, huh?
Big T
"Agathena"
You can not change the confession of John Kerry.
--
This is all you need to know for this election:
(Videotape, MEET THE PRESS, April 18, 1971):
MR. KERRY (Vietnam Veterans Against the War): There are all kinds of
atrocities and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind
of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took
part in shootings in free-fire zones. I conducted harassment and
interdiction fire. I used 50-caliber machine guns which we were granted and
ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in
search-and-destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is
contrary to the laws of warfare. All of this is contrary to the Geneva
Conventions and all of this ordered as a matter of written established
policy by the government of the United States from the top down.
4 years experience as Commander in Chief versus 4 months as a War Criminal?
Tough choice, huh?
Star Gazer phoebe
men in a war. It DID happen. No matter how much it is
denigrated & ridiculed history will record the truth.
Minh Duc
SVN veteran told the author that he and his unit witnessed the swift
boat of John Kerry went along a river. It seemed the riders on this
boat were so scary that even they did not see any VC nor NVN soldiers,
they still shooting continuously to both sides while advancing . The
unit of this SVN veteran was also hit. These soldiers were very angry
and they had intention to sink John Kerry's boat . But the American
adviser of this unit stopped them . Since the American adviser called
the commander of the swift boat to tell him to stop, the SVN veteran
knew the name of the commander was John Kerry. John Kerry wrote his
boat was shot by drunk SVN soldiers . This maybe not true. If his boat
always shot without seeing the ennemy like that, it's obvious that
some SVN units were hit and they wanted to retaliate.
Minh Duc
Ruth E. Downs <redown...@newplus.net> wrote in message news:<1095440956.+sskL5TAyZc6HsLWtsxu/g@teranews>...
> Swift boat vets hit Kerry again
>
> Washington, DC, Sep. 17 (UPI) -- Sen. John Kerry's truthfulness on discarding his war medals to protest the Vietnam
> conflict was targeted Friday by anti-Kerry veterans.
>
Big T
> Kerry was relating the truth about what happens to fighting
> men in a war. It DID happen. No matter how much it is
> denigrated & ridiculed history will record the truth.
>
And he confessed to being a war criminal. That makes him ineligible to be a
Commander in Chief.
Hanoi John
Ken wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 00:25:32 GMT, Agathena <nos...@thisaddress.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Big T wrote:
> >
> > >4 years experience as Commander in Chief versus 4 months
> >as >a War Criminal?
> > >Tough choice, huh?
> >
> >
> >4 years in Champagne Unit of National Guard +
> >2 years AWOL
> >
> >vs
> >
> >TWO 2 tours of duty in Vietnam,
> >4 MONTHS in COMBAT
> >
> >A.
> >
> >
> >
>
> Never saw so much Bull Shit packed into a few words.
> Care to enlighten us with some FACTS, you know the truth.
> Even counting his visits to Vietnam for Congress to make himself
> millions, it doesn't even make 1 full tour.
> You can figure it out, it's basic adding.
> Navy Tour of Duty = 12 Months
> In-Country or in Vietnam would mean in vietnam, see how easy that was.
>
> Ken
Not having been in country but I enlisted in the Navy on 5 MAR 1968, I
don't know for certain so don't quote me. I heard tours were more like
anniversary dates for your unit. Kerry arrived in month 10 of his first
tour and left in month 2 of his 2nd tour.
He was there 4 months but it was 2 tours.
>
>
> "Such is the irresistible nature of truth that all it asks, and all it
> wants, is the liberty of appearing."
--
I'm NOT John Kerry and I approve of this message.
Communist Vietnamese honor John Kerry, the war protester,
as a hero in their victory over the United States.
http://communistsforkerry.com/pictures/cdw0423_1.jpg
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http://www.rhyner.com/realclips/Hanoi_Kerry_and_Crew.WMV
(5 Meg download of Video of the Kerry Medal Toss)
Jane Fonda tells the student audience at the Michigan State
University in 1969; "I would think that if you understood what
communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees,
that we would someday become communist."
John and Jane forever...
Bob
George Bush is THE war criminal.
The United States has never, UNTIL NOW, invaded a sovereign nation
unless they had declared war on us. Iraq was a desert with oil which
meant they were in BIG ASS trouble when Bush was appointed prez.
The invasion and deaths of Iraqi civilians makes George Walker Bush a
War Criminal and there are no ifs, ands or buts about it.
Bob
--
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we.
They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country
and our people, and neither do we."
George W. Bush
8/5/04
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Bush by numbers: Four years of
double standards
By Graydon Carter
03 September 2004
1 Number of Bush administration public statements on National security
issued between 20
January 2001 and 10 September 2001 that mentioned al-Qa'ida.
104 Number of Bush administration public statements on National security
and defence in the
same period that mentioned Iraq or Saddam Hussein.
101 Number of Bush administration public statements on National security
and defence
in the same period that mentioned missile defence.
65 Number of Bush administration public statements on National security
and defence
in the same period that mentioned weapons of mass destruction.
0 Number of times Bush mentioned Osama bin Laden in his three State of
the Union
addresses.
73 Number of times that Bush mentioned terrorism or terrorists in his
three State of the
Union addresses.
83 Number of times Bush mentioned Saddam, Iraq, or regime (as in change)
in his
three State of the Union addresses.
$1m Estimated value of a painting the Bush Presidential Library in
College Station,
Texas, received from Prince Bandar, Saudi Arabia's ambassador to the
United States
and Bush family friend.
0 Number of times Bush mentioned Saudi Arabia in his three State of the
Union
addresses.
1,700 Percentage increase between 2001 and 2002 of Saudi Arabian
spending on
public relations in the United States.
79 Percentage of the 11 September hijackers who came from Saudi Arabia.
3 Number of 11 September hijackers whose entry visas came through
special
US-Saudi "Visa Express" programme.
140 Number of Saudis, including members of the Bin Laden family,
evacuated from
United States almost immediately after 11 September.
14 Number of Immigration and Naturalisation Service (INS) agents
assigned to track
down 1,200 known illegal immigrants in the United States from countries
where
al-Qa'ida is active.
$3m Amount the White House was willing to grant the 9/11 Commission to
investigate
the 11 September attacks.
$0 Amount approved by George Bush to hire more INS special agents.
$10m Amount Bush cut from the INS's existing terrorism budget.
$50m Amount granted to the commission that looked into the Columbia
space shuttle
crash.
$5m Amount a 1996 federal commission was given to study legalised
gambling.
7 Number of Arabic linguists fired by the US army between mid-August and
mid-October 2002 for being gay.
George Bush: Military man
1972 Year that Bush walked away from his pilot duties in the Texas
National Guard,
Nearly two years before his six-year obligation was up.
$3,500 Reward a group of veterans offered in 2000 for anyone who could
confirm
Bush's Alabama guard service.
600-700 Number of guardsmen who were in Bush's unit during that period.
0 Number of guardsmen from that period who came forward with information
about
Bush's guard service.
0 Number of minutes that President Bush, Vice-President Dick Cheney, the
Defence
Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, the assistant Defence Secretary, Paul
Wolfowitz, the
former chairman of the Defence Policy Board, Richard Perle, and the
White House
Chief of Staff, Karl Rove the main proponents of the war in Iraq
served in combat
(combined).
0 Number of principal civilian or Pentagon staff members who planned the
war who
have immediate family members serving in uniform in Iraq.
8 Number of members of the US Senate and House of Representatives who
have a
child serving in the military.
10 Number of days that the Pentagon spent investigating a soldier who
had called the
President "a joke" in a letter to the editor of a Newspaper.
46 Percentage increase in sales between 2001 and 2002 of GI Joe figures
(children's
toys).
Ambitious warrior
2 Number of Nations that George Bush has attacked and taken over since
coming into
office.
130 Approximate Number of countries (out of a total of 191 recognised by
the United
Nations) with a US military presence.
43 Percentage of the entire world's military spending that the US spends
on defence.
(That was in 2002, the year before the invasion of Iraq.)
$401.3bn Proposed military budget for 2004.
Saviour of Iraq
1983 The year in which Donald Rumsfeld, Ronald Reagan's special envoy to
the
Middle East, gave Saddam Hussein a pair of golden spurs as a gift.
2.5 Number of hours after Rumsfeld learnt that Osama bin Laden was a
suspect in the
11 September attacks that he brought up reasons to "hit" Iraq.
237 Minimum number of misleading statements on Iraq made by top Bush
administration officials between 2002 and January 2004, according to the
California
Representative Henry Waxman.
10m Estimated number of people worldwide who took to the streets on 21
February
2003, in opposition to the invasion of Iraq, the largest simultaneous
protest in world
history.
$2bn Estimated monthly cost of US military presence in Iraq projected by
the White
House in April 2003.
$4bn Actual monthly cost of the US military presence in Iraq according
to Secretary of
Defence Rumsfeld in 2004.
$15m Amount of a contract awarded to an American firm to build a cement
factory in
Iraq.
$80,000 Amount an Iraqi firm spent (using Saddam's confiscated funds) to
build the
same factory, after delays prevented the American firm from starting it.
2000 Year that Cheney said his policy as CEO of Halliburton oil services
company
was "we wouldn't do anything in Iraq".
$4.7bn Total value of contracts awarded to Halliburton in Iraq and
Afghanistan.
$680m Estimated value of Iraq reconstruction contracts awarded to
Bechtel.
$2.8bnValue of Bechtel Corp contracts in Iraq.
$120bn Amount the war and its aftermath are projected to cost for the
2004 fiscal
year.
35 Number of countries to which the United States suspended military
assistance after
they failed to sign agreements giving Americans immunity from
prosecution before the
International Criminal Court.
92 Percentage of Iraq's urban areas with access to potable water in late
2002.
60 Percentage of Iraq's urban areas with access to potable water in late
2003.
55 Percentage of the Iraqi workforce who were unemployed before the war.
80 Percentage of the Iraqi workforce who are unemployed a Year after the
war.
0 Number of American combat deaths in Germany after the Nazi surrender
in May
1945.
37 Death toll of US soldiers in Iraq in May 2003, the month combat
operations
"officially" ended.
0 Number of coffins of dead soldiers returning home that the Bush
administration has
permitted to be photographed.
0 Number of memorial services for the returned dead that Bush has
attended since the
beginning of the war.
A soldier's best friend
40,000 Number of soldiers in Iraq seven months after start of the war
still without
Interceptor vests, designed to stop a round from an AK-47.
$60m Estimated cost of outfitting those 40,000 soldiers with Interceptor
vests.
62 Percentage of gas masks that army investigators discovered did Not
work properly
in autumn 2002.
90 Percentage of detectors which give early warning of a biological
weapons attack
found to be defective.
87 Percentage of Humvees in Iraq not equipped with armour capable of
stopping
AK-47 rounds and protecting against roadside bombs and landmines at the
end of
2003.
Making the country safer
$3.29 Average amount allocated per person Nationwide in the first round
of homeland
security grants.
$94.40 Amount allocated per person for homeland security in American
Samoa.
$36 Amount allocated per person for homeland security in Wyoming,
Vice-President
Cheney's home state.
$17 Amount allocated per person in New York state.
$5.87 Amount allocated per person in New York City.
$77.92 Amount allocated per person in New Haven, Connecticut, home of
Yale
University, Bush's alma mater.
76 Percentage of 215 cities surveyed by the US Conference of Mayors in
early 2004
that had yet to receive a dime in federal homeland security assistance
for their
first-response units.
5 Number of major US airports at the beginning of 2004 that the
Transportation
Security Administration admitted were Not fully screening baggage
electronically.
22,600 Number of planes carrying unscreened cargo that fly into New York
each
month.
5 Estimated Percentage of US air cargo that is screened, including cargo
transported
on passenger planes.
95 Percentage of foreign goods that arrive in the United States by sea.
2 Percentage of those goods subjected to thorough inspection.
$5.5bnEstimated cost to secure fully US ports over the Next decade.
$0 Amount Bush allocated for port security in 2003.
$46m Amount the Bush administration has budgeted for port security in
2005.
15,000 Number of major chemical facilities in the United States.
100 Number of US chemical plants where a terrorist act could endanger
the lives of
more than one million people.
0 Number of new drugs or vaccines against "priority pathogens" listed by
the Centres
for Disease Control that have been developed and introduced since 11
September
2001.
Giving a hand up to the advantaged
$10.9m Average wealth of the members of Bush's original 16-person
cabinet.
75 Percentage of Americans unaffected by Bush's sweeping 2003 cuts in
capital gains
and dividends taxes.
$42,000 Average savings members of Bush's cabinet received in 2003 as a
result of
cuts in capital gains and dividends taxes.
10 Number of fellow members from the Yale secret society Skull and Bones
that Bush
has named to important positions (including the Associate Attorney
General Robert
McCallum Jr. and SEC chief Bill Donaldson).
79 Number of Bush's initial 189 appointees who also served in his
father's
administration.
A man with a lot of friends
$113m Amount of total hard money the Bush-Cheney 2000 campaign received,
a
record.
$11.5m Amount of hard money raised through the Pioneer programme, the
controversial fund-raising process created for the Bush-Cheney 2000
campaign.
(Participants pledged to raise at least $100,000 by bundling together
cheques of up to
$1,000 from friends and family. Pioneers were assigned numbers, which
were included
on all cheques, enabling the campaign to keep track of who raised how
much.)
George Bush: Money manager
4.7m Number of bankruptcies that were declared during Bush's first three
years in
office.
2002 The worst year for major markets since the recession of the 1970s.
$489bn The US trade deficit in 2003, the worst in history for a single
year.
$5.6tr Projected national surplus forecast by the end of the decade when
Bush took
office in 2001.
$7.22tr US national debt by mid-2004.
George Bush: Tax cutter
87 Percentage of American families in April 2004 who say they have felt
no benefit
from Bush's tax cuts.
39 Percentage of tax cuts that will go to the top 1 per cent of American
families when
fully phased in.
49 Percentage of Americans in April 2004 who found that their taxes had
actually gone
up since Bush took office.
88 Percentage of American families who will save less than $100 on their
2006 federal
taxes as a result of 2003 cut in capital gains and dividends taxes.
$30,858 Amount Bush himself saved in taxes in 2003.
Employment tsar
9.3m Number of US unemployed in April 2004.
2.3m Number of Americans who lost their jobs during first three Years of
the Bush
administration.
22m Number of jobs gained during Clinton's eight years in office.
Friend of the poor
34.6m Number of Americans living below the poverty line (1 in 8 of the
population).
6.8m Number of people in the workforce but still classified as poor.
35m Number of Americans that the government defines as "food insecure,"
in other
words, hungry.
$300m Amount cut from the federal programme that provides subsidies to
poor
families so they can heat their homes.
40 Percentage of wealth in the United States held by the richest 1 per
cent of the
population.
18 Percentage of wealth in Britain held by the richest 1e per cent of
the population.
George Bush And his special friend
$60bn Loss to Enron stockholders, following the largest bankruptcy in US
history.
$205m Amount Enron CEO Kenneth Lay earned from stock option profits over
a
four-year period.
$101m Amount Lay made from selling his Enron shares just before the
company went
bankrupt.
$59,339 Amount the Bush campaign reimbursed Enron for 14 trips on its
corporate jet
during the 2000 campaign.
30 Length of time in months between Enron's collapse and Lay (whom the
President
called "Kenny Boy") still not being charged with a crime.
George Bush: Lawman
15 Average number of minutes Bush spent reviewing capital punishment
cases while
governor of Texas.
46 Percentage of Republican federal judges when Bush came to office.
57 Percentage of Republican federal judges after three years of the Bush
administration.
33 Percentage of the $15bn Bush pledged to fight Aids in Africa that
must go to
abstinence-only programmes.
The Civil libertarian
680 Number of suspected al-Qa'ida members that the United States admits
are
detained at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.
42 Number of nationalities of those detainees at Guantanamo.
22 Number of hours prisoners were handcuffed, shackled, and made to wear
surgical
masks, earmuffs, and blindfolds during their flight to Guantanamo.
32 Number of confirmed suicide attempts by Guantanamo Bay prisoners.
24 Number of prisoners in mid-2003 being monitored by psychiatrists in
Guantanamo's
new mental ward.
A health-conscious president
43.6m Number of Americans without health insurance by the end of 2002
(more than
15 per cent of the population).
2.4m Number of Americans who lost their health insurance during Bush's
first year in
office.
Environmentalist
$44m Amount the Bush-Cheney 2000 campaign and the Republican National
Committee received in contributions from the fossil fuel, chemical,
timber, and mining
industries.
200 Number of regulation rollbacks downgrading or weakening
environmental laws in
Bush's first three years in office.
31 Number of Bush administration appointees who are alumni of the energy
industry
(includes four cabinet secretaries, the six most powerful White House
officials, and
more than 20 other high-level appointees).
50 Approximate number of policy changes and regulation rollbacks
injurious to the
environment that have been announced by the Bush administration on
Fridays after
5pm, a time that makes it all but impossible for news organisations to
relay the
information to the widest possible audience.
50 Percentage decline in Environmental Protection Agency enforcement
actions against
polluters under Bush's watch.
34 Percentage decline in criminal penalties for environmental crimes
since Bush took
office.
50 Percentage decline in civil penalties for environmental crimes since
Bush took office.
$6.1m Amount the EPA historically valued each human life when conducting
economic
analyses of proposed regulations.
$3.7m Amount the EPA valued each human life when conducting analyses of
proposed
regulations during the Bush administration.
0 Number of times Bush mentioned global warming, clean air, clean water,
pollution or
environment in his 2004 State of the Union speech. His father was the
last president to
go through an entire State of the Union address without mentioning the
environment.
1 Number of paragraphs devoted to global warming in the EPA's 600-page
"Draft
Report on the Environment" presented in 2003.
68 Number of days after taking office that Bush decided Not to ratify
the Kyoto
Protocol, the international treaty to reduce greenhouse gases by roughly
5.2 per cent
below 1990 levels by 2012. The United States was to cut its level by 7
per cent.
1 The rank of the United States worldwide in terms of greenhouse gas
emissions.
25 Percentage of overall worldwide carbon dioxide emissions the United
States is
responsible for.
53 Number of days after taking office that Bush reneged on his campaign
promise to
regulate carbon dioxide emissions from power plants.
14 Percentage carbon dioxide emissions will increase over the next 10
years under
Bush's own global-warming plan (an increase of 30 per cent above their
1990 levels).
408 Number of species that could be extinct by 2050 if the
global-warming trend
continues.
5 Number of years the Bush administration said in 2003 that global
warming must be
further studied before substantive action could be taken.
62 Number of members of Cheney's 63-person Energy Task Force with ties
to
corporate energy interests.
0 Number of environmentalists asked to attend Cheney's Energy Task Force
meetings.
6 Number of months before 11 September that Cheney's Energy Task Force
investigated Iraq's oil reserves.
2 Percentage of the world's population that is British.
2 Percentage of the world's oil used by Britain.
5 Percentage of the world's population that is American.
25 Percentage of the world's oil used by America.
63 Percentage of oil the United States imported in 2003, a record high.
24,000 Estimated number of premature deaths that will occur under Bush's
Clear Skies
initiative.
300 Number of Clean Water Act violations by the mountaintop-mining
industry in
2003.
750,000 Tons of toxic waste the US military, the world's biggest
polluter, generates
around the world each Year.
$3.8bn Amount in the Superfund trust fund for toxic site clean-ups in
1995, the Year
"polluter pays" fees expired.
$0m Amount of uncommitted dollars in the Superfund trust fund for toxic
site clean-ups
in 2003.
270 Estimated number of court decisions citing federal Negligence in
endangered-species protection that remained unheeded during the first
year of the Bush
administration.
100 Percentage of those decisions that Bush then decided to allow the
government to
ignore indefinitely.
68.4 Average Number of species added to the Endangered and Threatened
Species
list each year between 1991 and 2000.
0 Number of endangered species voluntarily added by the Bush
administration since
taking office.
50 Percentage of screened workers at Ground Zero who now suffer from
long-term
health problems, almost half of whom don't have health insurance.
78 Percentage of workers at Ground Zero who now suffer from lung
ailments.
88 Percentage of workers at Ground Zero who Now suffer from ear, nose,
or throat
problems.
22 Asbestos levels at Ground Zero were 22 times higher than the levels
in Libby,
Montana, where the W R Grace mine produced one of the worst Superfund
disasters
in US history.
Image booster for the US
2,500 Number of public-diplomacy officers employed by the State
Department to
further the image of the US abroad in 1991.
1,200 Number of public-diplomacy officers employed by the State
Department to
further US image abroad in 2004.
4 Rank of the United States among countries considered to be the
greatest threats to
world peace according to a 2003 Pew Global Attitudes study (Israel,
Iran, and North
Korea were considered more dangerous; Iraq was considered less
dangerous).
$66bn Amount the United States spent on international aid and diplomacy
in 1949.
$23.8bn Amount the United States spent on international aid and
diplomacy in 2002.
85 Percentage of Indonesians who had an unfavourable image of the United
States in
2003.
Second-party endorsements
90 Percentage of Americans who approved of the way Bush was handling his
job as
president on 26 September 2001.
67 Percentage of Americans who approved of the way Bush was handling his
job as
president on 26 September 2002.
54 Percentage of Americans who approved of the way Bush was handling his
job as
president on 30 September, 2003.
50 Percentage of Americans who approved of the way Bush was handling his
job as
president on 15 October 2003.
49 Percentage of Americans who approved of the way Bush was handling his
job as
president in May 2004.
More like the French than he would care to admit
28 Number of vacation days Bush took in August 2003, the second-longest
vacation
of any president in US history. (Record holder Richard Nixon.)
13 Number of vacation days the average American receives each Year.
28 Number of vacation days Bush took in August 2001, the month he
received a 6
August Presidential Daily Briefing headed "Osama bin Laden Determined to
Strike US
Targets."
500 Number of days Bush has spent all or part of his time away from the
White House
at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, his parents' retreat in Kennebunkport,
Maine, or
Camp David as of 1 April 2004.
No fool when it comes to the press
11 Number of press conferences during his first three Years in office in
which Bush
referred to questions as being "trick" ones.
Factors in his favour
3 Number of companies that control the US voting technology market.
52 Percentage of votes cast during the 2002 midterm elections that were
recorded by
Election Systems & Software, the largest voting-technology firm, a big
Republican
donor.
29 Percentage of votes that will be cast via computer voting machines
that don't
produce a paper record.
17On 17 November 2001, The Economist printed a correction for having
said
George Bush was properly elected in 2000.
$113m Amount raised by the Bush-Cheney 2000 campaign, the most in
American
electoral history.
$185m Amount raised by the Bush-Cheney 2004 re-election campaign, to the
end of
March 2004.
$200m Amount that the Bush-Cheney 2004 campaign expects to raise by
November
2004.
268 Number of Bush-Cheney fund-raisers who had earned Pioneer status (by
raising
$100,000 each) as of March 2004.
187 Number of Bush-Cheney fund-raisers who had earned Ranger status (by
raising
$200,000 each) as of March 2004.
$64.2mThe Amount Pioneers and Rangers had raised for Bush-Cheney as of
March
2004.
85 Percentage of Americans who can't Name the Chief Justice of the
United States.
69 Percentage of Americans who believed the White House's claims in
September
2003 that Saddam Hussein was personally involved in the 11 September
attacks.
34 Percentage of Americans who believed in June 2003 that Saddam's
"weapons of
mass destruction" had been found.
22 Percentage of Americans who believed in May 2003 that Saddam had used
his
WMDs on US forces.
85 Percentage of American young adults who cannot find Afghanistan,
Iraq, or Israel
on a map.
30 Percentage of American young adults who cannot find the Pacific Ocean
on a map.
75 Percentage of American young adults who don't know the population of
the United
States.
53 Percentage of Canadian young adults who don't know the population of
the United
States.
11 Percentage of American young adults who cannot find the United States
on a map.
30 Percentage of Americans who believe that "politics and government are
too
complicated to understand."
Another factor in his favour
70m Estimated number of Americans who describe themselves as
Evangelicals who
accept Jesus Christ as their personal saviour and who interpret the
Bible as the direct
word of God.
23m Number of Evangelicals who voted for Bush in 2000.
50m Number of voters in total who voted for Bush in 2000.
46 Percentage of voters who describe themselves as born-again
Christians.
5 Number of states that do not use the word "evolution" in public school
science
courses.
This is an edited extract from "What We've Lost", by Graydon Carter,
published
by Little Brown on 9 September
ABOUT THE AUTHOR
For a former college drop-out from Ontario and, briefly, a lineman
stringing up
telegraph wires on the railways of Canada, Graydon Carter, 55, has risen
to impressive
heights. The editor of Vanity Fair since 1992 after succeeding Tina
Brown he is
one of America's celebrity editors with clout, glamour and a nice line
in suits.
It is hard to imagine Carter doing physical work of any kind, beyond
exercising his
thumb on his silver Zippo lighter. His labour is restricted to rejigging
headlines in his
magazine he is a self-confessed failure at delegation of duties and
swanning to
Manhattan parties. Martini in hand, he cuts an almost princely and
dandyish figure, with
billowing shirts and similarly billowing silver hair.
The spotlight on his activities has never burned brighter. In recent
months he has
transformed the regular editor's letter at the front of the magazine
into less of a chat
about its coming contents the spreads of Annie Leibowitz and rants of
Christopher
Hitchens and more a full-bore diatribe against the world of George
Bush.
Ken
Care to tell me when the U.S.S. Gridley made port call 'in' Viet Nam?
A Tour, started when "Your" boots hit the Viet Nam Clay.
(or Landed at Da Nang, Cam Ranh Bay or Tan Son Nhut, of course we had
a couple units 'Land' on the beaches as well as naval transports).
US Marines 13 month Tour
US Army 12 month Tour
US Navy 12 month Tour
Seals 6 month tour
US Coast Guard 12 month Tour
US Air Force, I Believe 12 month Tour, (not 100% sure)
My tours added up to a little over 31 months = 2 + tours
( That's 'IN' Viet Nam )
Jan 68 to Nov 70
Jerry Okamura
"Bob" <Kerryfor...@pobox.com> wrote in message
news:414DBC61...@pobox.com...
> t,
>
> George Bush is THE war criminal.
>
> The United States has never, UNTIL NOW, invaded a sovereign nation
> unless they had declared war on us. Iraq was a desert with oil which
> meant they were in BIG ASS trouble when Bush was appointed prez.
>
the United States. No country declared war with the United States when we
got involved in Vietnam. Panama did not delcare war on the United States,
neither did Greneda, Haiti (three times as I recall), Somalia, Lebanon,
Yugoslavia.
Thumper
wrote:
What's that got to do with anything?
>A Tour, started when "Your" boots hit the Viet Nam Clay.
Not in the Navy ASS WIPE.
>(or Landed at Da Nang, Cam Ranh Bay or Tan Son Nhut, of course we had
>a couple units 'Land' on the beaches as well as naval transports).
>
>US Marines 13 month Tour
>US Army 12 month Tour
>US Navy 12 month Tour
>Seals 6 month tour
>US Coast Guard 12 month Tour
>US Air Force, I Believe 12 month Tour, (not 100% sure)
>My tours added up to a little over 31 months = 2 + tours
>( That's 'IN' Viet Nam )
>Jan 68 to Nov 70
>
Who gives a shit about you?
Thumper
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Such is the irresistible nature of truth that all it asks, and all it
>>> wants, is the liberty of appearing."
To reply drop XYZ in address
Jim
wrote:
>On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 16:44:31 GMT, Hanoi John
Yup 12 months IN country
Jim
He uses the RDF too much.
Big T
"Thumper" <jaylsm...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:10lrk0lghrs3ks69l...@4ax.com...
--
This is all you need to know for this election:
(Videotape, MEET THE PRESS, April 18, 1971):
MR. KERRY (Vietnam Veterans Against the War): There are all kinds of
atrocities and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind
of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took
part in shootings in free-fire zones. I conducted harassment and
interdiction fire. I used 50-caliber machine guns which we were granted and
ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in
search-and-destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is
contrary to the laws of warfare. All of this is contrary to the Geneva
Conventions and all of this ordered as a matter of written established
policy by the government of the United States from the top down.
4 years experience as Commander in Chief versus 4 months as a War Criminal?
Tough choice, huh?
Big T
"Bob"
Doug Reese
>I've just read an article of a Vietnamese author . In this article, a
>SVN veteran told the author that he and his unit witnessed the swift
>boat of John Kerry went along a river. It seemed the riders on this
>boat were so scary that even they did not see any VC nor NVN soldiers,
>they still shooting continuously to both sides while advancing . The
>unit of this SVN veteran was also hit. These soldiers were very angry
>and they had intention to sink John Kerry's boat . But the American
>adviser of this unit stopped them . Since the American adviser called
>the commander of the swift boat to tell him to stop, the SVN veteran
>knew the name of the commander was John Kerry. John Kerry wrote his
>boat was shot by drunk SVN soldiers . This maybe not true.
It is almost certainly not true. Among many reasons, there is no way they would know
the name of the commander of that particular boat. Besides, the boats didn't go out
alone -- there would be at least three of them.
Doug
Big T
Bob
I've seen it and I applaud Kerry for his actions.
When I stepped off the plane in Vietnam I was a gung-ho poster boy for
whupping up on those dreaded communists.
A week later I knew the whole damned thing was the biggest mistake one
could make. Our presence in Vietnam was not political it was economic.
And to have someone with the forum and the courage to use that forum to
speak out publicly against the "conflict" speaks volumes about Kerry's
high level of integrity. All while Bush was a deserter. One went - one
hid. You want the one who went or the one who wanted to play hide and
seek?
Since the Navy has investigated and said Kerry's medals are legitimate
I consider that the end of the story on that chapter. After all it's
bushco Defense Dept. headed by Rummy at the behest of the
Cocainer-in-Chief.
Has everybody in the bushco cult snorted some today?
Bob
Big T wrote:
>
> "Bob"
> --
This is all you need to know for this election:
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=557746
Ken
>minhd...@MailandNews.com (Minh Duc) wrote:
>>I've just read an article of a Vietnamese author . In this article, a
>>SVN veteran told the author that he and his unit witnessed the swift
>>boat of John Kerry went along a river. It seemed the riders on this
>>boat were so scary that even they did not see any VC nor NVN soldiers,
>>they still shooting continuously to both sides while advancing . The
>>unit of this SVN veteran was also hit. These soldiers were very angry
>>and they had intention to sink John Kerry's boat . But the American
>>adviser of this unit stopped them . Since the American adviser called
>>the commander of the swift boat to tell him to stop, the SVN veteran
>>knew the name of the commander was John Kerry. John Kerry wrote his
>>boat was shot by drunk SVN soldiers . This maybe not true.
>
>It is almost certainly not true. Among many reasons, there is no way they would know
>the name of the commander of that particular boat. Besides, the boats didn't go out
>alone -- there would be at least three of them.
>
>Doug
>
Except when Kerry said he went looking for the Bob Hope Show around
Christmas.
Ken
Big T
"Bob"
--
This is all you need to know for this election:
(Videotape, MEET THE PRESS, April 18, 1971):