"The Black Dilemma"------- The Baltimore Sun Surprisingly Lets a Race Relations Letter Fly. A Must Read

[wizardr...@msn.com]

-Subject: The Black Dilemma - FROM THE BALTIMORE SUN

I (the original sender of this email) grew up in Baltimore, this is hard to believe the Sun let it fly, but it is factual.

"The Baltimore Sun" is definitely not known as a Conservative newspaper. This very well written assessment of the situation in USA comes as something of a surprise.

Some great thoughts about other races that have come to the USA and successfully integrated into our society. This will obviously be called racist, and will upset the liberals, but they should really think about the message and this interesting point of view.


The BLACK DILEMMA

"For almost 150 years the United States has been conducting an interesting experiment. The subjects of the experiment: black people and working-class whites.

The hypothesis to be tested: Can a people taken from the jungles of Africa and forced into slavery be fully integrated as citizens in a majority white population?

The whites were descendants of Europeans who had created a majestic civilization. The former slaves had been tribal peoples with no written language and virtually no intellectual achievements. Acting on a policy that was not fair to either group, the government released newly freed black people into a white society that saw them as inferiors. America has struggled with racial discord ever since.

Decade after decade the problems persisted but the experimenters never gave up. They insisted that if they could find the right formula the experiment would work, and concocted program after program to get the result they wanted. They created the Freedmans Bureau, passed civil rights laws, tried to build the Great Society, declared War on Poverty, ordered race preferences, built housing projects, and tried midnight basketball.

Their new laws intruded into peoples lives in ways that would have been otherwise unthinkable. They called in National Guard troops to enforce school integration. They outlawed freedom of association. Over the protests of parents, they put white children on buses and sent them to black schools and vice-versa. They tried with money, special programs, relaxed standards, and endless hand wringing to close the achievement gap. To keep white backlash in check they began punishing public and even private statements on race. They hung up Orwellian public banners that commanded whites to Celebrate Diversity and Say No to Racism. Nothing was off limits if it might salvage the experiment.

Some thought that what W.E.B. DuBois called the Talented Tenth would lead the way for black people. A group of elite, educated blacks would knock down doors of opportunity and show the world what blacks were capable of.

There is a Talented Tenth. They are the black Americans who have become entrepreneurs, lawyers, doctors and scientists. But ten percent is not enough. For the experiment to work, the ten percent has to be followed by a critical mass of people who can hold middle-class jobs and promote social stability. That is what is missing.

Through the years, too many black people continue to show an inability to function and prosper in a culture unsuited to them. Detroit is bankrupt, the south side of Chicago is a war zone, and the vast majority of black cities all over America are beset by degeneracy and violence. And blacks never take responsibility for their failures. Instead, they lash out in anger and resentment.

Across the generations and across the country, as we have seen in Detroit, Watts, Newark, Los Angeles, Cincinnati, and now Ferguson, rioting and looting are just one racial incident away. The white elite would tell us that this doesn't mean the experiment has failed. We just have to try harder. We need more money, more time, more understanding, more programs, and more opportunities.

But nothing changes no matter how much money is spent, no matter how many laws are passed, no matter how many black geniuses are portrayed on TV, and no matter who is president. Some argue its a problem of culture, as if culture creates peoples behavior instead of the other way around. Others blame white privilege.

But since 1965, when the elites opened Americas doors to the Third World, immigrants from Asia and India, people who are not white, not rich, and not connected have quietly succeeded. While the children of these people are winning spelling bees and getting top scores on the SAT, black youths are committing half the country's violent crime, which includes viciously punching random white people on the street for the thrill of it that has nothing to do with poverty.

The experiment has failed. Not because of white culture, or white privilege, or white racism. The fundamental problem is that American black culture has evolved into an un-fixable and crime ridden mess. *They do not want to change their culture or society, and expect others to tolerate their violence and amoral behavior. They have become socially incompatible with other races by their own design, not because of the racism of others - but by their own hatred of non-blacks.*

Our leaders don't seem to understand just how tired their white subjects are with this experiment. *They don't understand that white people aren't out to get black people; they are just exhausted with them. They are exhausted by the social pathologies, the violence, the endless complaints, and the blind racial solidarity, the bottomless pit of grievances, the excuses, and the reflexive animosity.

The elites explain everything with racism, and refuse to believe that white frustration could soon reach the boiling point."

"You can't legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government can't give to anybody anything that the government doesn't first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they don't have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation.

You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."

Ian Duncan
The Baltimore Sun, May 30, 2015

[mg]

On Thu, 9 Jul 2015 09:55:24 -0700 (PDT), wizardr...@msn.com
wrote:

According to Snopes, that article wasn't written by Ian Duncan and
it never appeared in The Baltimore Sun.
http://m.snopes.com/politics-soapbox-black-dilemma/

There are some parts that I agree with, though, and some that I
don't. I don't, for example, agree with the part about Europeans
creating a "majestic civilization". If things had been all that
great in Europe, people wouldn't have been so anxious to leave and
come here in the first place.

[GLOBALIST]

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Do you think you could get an honest discussion amongst blacks themselves to address this issue?
quote:

The experiment has failed. Not because of white culture, or white privilege, or white racism. The fundamental problem is that American black culture has evolved into an un-fixable and crime ridden mess. *They do not want to change their culture or society, and expect others to tolerate their violence and amoral behavior. They have become socially incompatible with other races by their own design, not because of the racism of others - but by their own hatred of non-blacks.*

end of quote:

[A]

BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT. What's the matter with you boy, taking
your stupid pills again or are you just a special kind of stupid?

--
A

[GLOBALIST]

Who cares who wrote it...and Snopes has been wrong before many times

The Europeans who came here did not give up their cultural background,
their religion, there families. Many of my German ancestors came
here because of the rich farm land. No one said it was rosy in Europe,
but they were adventuresome and had high hopes and less government
interference (however their descendents are back at square one)
They did not suddenly decide to run the streets and see how much
the could steal from others
Our huge , beautiful buildings were built by wealthy immigrants.
You can walk around town and see who the benefactors were and
they were not built by HUD.

[mg]

Can you give me some examples?

. . .

[GLOBALIST]

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http://accuracyinpolitics.blogspot.com/2013/05/snopes-got-snoped.html

[wizardr...@msn.com]

Italians were brought here to build a retaining wall along a major road in Cleveland, so I heard.

[mg]

On Thu, 9 Jul 2015 13:34:16 -0700 (PDT), GLOBALIST

That's just a bunch of he-said/she-said silly, soap-opera nonsense
about whether some telephone calls were made and FactCheck.Org,
incidentally, says that Snopes is correct on this issue.
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/snopescom/

Do you have any other examples of Snopes being wrong "many times"
before?

[dav...@agent.com]

GLOBALIST <free....@gmail.com> wrote:

>The experiment has failed. Not because of white culture,
>or white privilege, or white racism. The fundamental problem is that
>American black culture has evolved into an un-fixable and crime ridden
>mess. *They do not want to change their culture or society, and expect
>others to tolerate their violence and amoral behavior. They have
>become socially incompatible with other races by their own design, not
>because of the racism of others - but by their own hatred of
>non-blacks.*

We need to legalize marijuana, to depoliticize the marketplace
in those inner-city areas, which are held hostage by black market
drug gangs, who use the marijuana money to finance meth labs,
and etc.

[rumpelstiltskin]

Obviously the person who originally falsely attributed it to
the Baltimore Sun felt that would help his case, or he
wouldn't have falsely attributed it.

Globalist never ceases to amaze, with his stupidity or
deceitfulness or an undifferentiated amalgam of the two.

[mg]

I read something years ago that said something about lies and deceit
being a common, evolutionary survival technique. So, I suppose it's
in our genes and in the genes of other species, also. There's a
plant called the California Pitcher plant, or Cobra Lilly, that
lures insects and then traps them and eats them. Actually, I guess
there's a lot plants like that. Some of them actually catch rats.

Still, one would think that one of the most important criteria for
qualifying as respectable human being would be honesty. That's not
so, however, by any stretch of the imagination. One thing that seems
to be sort of unique about Globalist, and I think it might have been
true about Mitt Romney, too, is that they were sort of honest about
their dishonesty, if that makes any sense. :-)

[(David P.)]

On Thursday, July 9, 2015, GLOBALIST wrote:
> =================================
>
> Do you think you could get an honest discussion amongst blacks themselves to address this issue?
> quote:
>
> The experiment has failed. Not because of white culture, or white privilege, or white racism. The fundamental problem is that American black culture has evolved into an un-fixable and crime ridden mess. *They do not want to change their culture or society, and expect others to tolerate their violence and amoral behavior. They have become socially incompatible with other races by their own design, not because of the racism of others - but by their own hatred of non-blacks.*
>
> end of quote:

[Jim_Higgins]

And two rounds of .45ACP to center of mass for each thug.

--
Have Gun Will Travel
Wire Paladin San Francisco

[melgibs...@gmail.com]

Aaah Higgins, our resident crochety racist, homophobe, xenophobe is alive and well and as usual, contributing nothing but his usual elementary drivel and childish bitterness to the conversation. David P actually starts to touch upon an important variable that's long affected many of the innercity urban environments where African-Americans live, that is, the drug marketplace that continues to serve as the fuel to the fire in a lot of innercity violence, for lack of a better cliché. I assume you have a hard-on for Oliver North and Reagan, right Higgins so no doubt you are well versed in their history and are aware of their and the CIA's role in allowing Contra cocaine to flood into US inner-cities, particularly African-American strongholds such as South Central Los Angeles....cocaine that was turned into crack which in turn helped fuel intense gang violence between the Bloods, Crips, and other gangs fighting over the lucrative marketplace. The problem with reactionary old geezers like yourself is you are completely incapable of asking the question "why?" Why are things the way they are? Reactionary assholes like yourself tend to gravitate towards placing all of the blame upon the race as a whole. You say "thug" but we all know you really mean to say. And what a swell Christian man you are, I mean I wonder what Jesus would say about about you advocating for pumping lead into the chest of those that you hate?

[Gary]

On Thu, 09 Jul 2015 11:26:52 -0600, mg <no...@none.nl> wrote:

>According to Snopes, that article wasn't written by Ian Duncan and
>it never appeared in The Baltimore Sun.

I don't know who wrote it or where it was published. I do know that
whoever wrote it has a tremendous amount of knowledge and insight as
to the negro condition. He should be allowed to read his essay on
the CBS evening news. Every night for a month.

[wizardr...@msn.com]

"Falsely" implies deceit. I merely posted an e-mail I received, and I don't investigate the credibility of each of the many which I receive. That it may be "falsely" attributed does not detract from the intrinsic value and worthiness of the material itself......which I'm sure is such of which you find most disagreeable, being who and what you are. You'd be able to read this, but deigned to killfile me, such is the nature of the type of individual you are......a cry baby who can't handle an opinion which differs from yours......which is anything not extremely to the left.

[GLOBALIST]

The article is an "opinion piece"....why are you folks
making an issue over the source of where it came from?
You atheists are so dogmatic, by the book, rigid and
judgemental. I don't care who wrote the article or
where it originated....IT WAS A DAMNED GOOD OPINION PIECE.

[bfla...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, July 9, 2015 at 10:25:08 PM UTC-7, rumpelstiltskin wrote:
>...Globalist never ceases to amaze, with his stupidity or

> deceitfulness or an undifferentiated amalgam of the two.

What is very sad and dangerous for our democracy is that there are
quite a number of "Globys" running around in this country. This is not
a case of opinion differences but, rather, as you put it so nicely

"stupidity or deceitfulness or an undifferentiated amalgam of the two."

It will be very interesting to see how many "Globys" show up in Phoenix
this weekend to listen to Trump. I understand he will be greeted by Joe
Arpiao the so-called "meanest Sheriff" who has cost the county over $50
million and counting so far with his illegal antics.

[wizardr...@msn.com]

You mean money spent defending against the phony charges brought against him by Obama's leftist DOJ, don't you? Why does Obama and the Democrats want illegals coming freely into this country? It isn't because it cements the Dumbocrat voter base, is it? They don't care who comes in. Did Obama have anything to say remorsefully regarding the gal just shot by that potential Democrat voter? Maybe he would have, had the victim been black. He and Sharpton would then have barreled into town, crying towels wringing wet. Meanwhile, we find it's another Obama foot-in-the mouth moment. It's not the gun laws; it's his FBI that screwed up by misfiling the crime committed by the buyer which would have prevented the gun sale in the first place. Can these people wipe their asses without getting feces all over the place.......whatever you do......don't shake hands with a Democrap.

[lor4...@yahoo.com]

[lor4...@yahoo.com]

On Thursday, July 9, 2015 at 2:17:07 PM UTC-4, A wrote:

[lor4...@yahoo.com]

On Thursday, July 9, 2015 at 2:17:07 PM UTC-4, A wrote: