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The California Court of Appeals rules that a transgender patient can sue a Catholic hospital for refusing to perform a hysterectomy.
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Johnny
Sep 21, 2019, 9:36:30 AM9/21/19
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By David French
September 20, 2019
Yesterday, the California Court of Appeals issued a truly remarkable
opinion in a truly remarkable case. It held that a Catholic hospital
could indeed face legal liability for failing to perform a hysterectomy
as part of a female-to-male “transition” — even though its policy
broadly bans sterilization surgery generally (not just for trans
individuals) and even though the hospital referred the patient to a
non-Catholic facility in the same network. The patient obtained the
hysterectomy a mere three days after the original scheduled surgery
date and sued anyway.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/09/a-california-court-deals-a-blow-to-religious-liberty-its-time-for-scotus-to-act/
me
Sep 21, 2019, 9:47:38 AM9/21/19
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CLOISTER
Sep 21, 2019, 10:08:45 AM9/21/19
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Besides I don't think any doctor would remove a healthy uterus
Weatherman
Sep 21, 2019, 10:09:53 AM9/21/19
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> Besides I don't think any doctor would remove a healthy uterus
>
Johnny
Sep 21, 2019, 11:04:48 AM9/21/19
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On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 11:01:39 -0400
Gary <w...@wre.com> wrote:
> Back in the 1950s, the (so called) court decided to start using it
> for toilet paper.
But Gary, diversity is wonderful. See how well everyone is getting
along today?
Gary <w...@wre.com> wrote:
> for toilet paper.
But Gary, diversity is wonderful. See how well everyone is getting
along today?
Johnny
Sep 21, 2019, 12:29:13 PM9/21/19
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On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 12:11:10 -0400
Gary <w...@wre.com> wrote:
> Most animals "get along" as long as there is no need to kill for food.
>
> Who are the greatest people on Earth ? I'd say those people who are
> descended from the Roman empire. Everybody from Italy to Britain.
> Back when Rome was at its peak -- and the Senate made the rules -- how
> many of the Senators were -- Red ? Yellow ? Black ? None !
> Greatness is never "diverse". It is Homogeneous.
Did you ever read about the Tower of Babel?
Tower of Babel
“Now the whole earth had one language and few words. And as men
migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and
settled there. And they said to one another, ‘Come, let us make bricks,
and burn them thoroughly.’ And they had brick for stone, and bitumen
for mortar. Then they said, ‘Come, let us build ourselves a city, and a
tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for
ourselves, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole
earth.’ And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the
sons of men had built. And the LORD said, ‘Behold, they are one people,
and they have all one language; and this is only the beginning of what
they will do; and nothing that they propose to do will now be
impossible for them. Come, let us go down, and there confuse their
language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.’ So the
LORD scattered them abroad from there over the face of all the earth,
and they left off building the city.’ Therefore its name was called
Babel, because there the LORD confused the language of all the earth;
and from there the LORD scattered them abroad over the face of all the
earth.” (Genesis 11:1-9)
I think this shows the before and after of diversity.
Gary <w...@wre.com> wrote:
>
> Who are the greatest people on Earth ? I'd say those people who are
> descended from the Roman empire. Everybody from Italy to Britain.
> Back when Rome was at its peak -- and the Senate made the rules -- how
> many of the Senators were -- Red ? Yellow ? Black ? None !
> Greatness is never "diverse". It is Homogeneous.
Did you ever read about the Tower of Babel?
Tower of Babel
“Now the whole earth had one language and few words. And as men
migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and
settled there. And they said to one another, ‘Come, let us make bricks,
and burn them thoroughly.’ And they had brick for stone, and bitumen
for mortar. Then they said, ‘Come, let us build ourselves a city, and a
tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for
ourselves, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole
earth.’ And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the
sons of men had built. And the LORD said, ‘Behold, they are one people,
and they have all one language; and this is only the beginning of what
they will do; and nothing that they propose to do will now be
impossible for them. Come, let us go down, and there confuse their
language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.’ So the
LORD scattered them abroad from there over the face of all the earth,
and they left off building the city.’ Therefore its name was called
Babel, because there the LORD confused the language of all the earth;
and from there the LORD scattered them abroad over the face of all the
earth.” (Genesis 11:1-9)
I think this shows the before and after of diversity.
Josh Rosenbluth
Sep 21, 2019, 5:19:22 PM9/21/19
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On 9/21/2019 9:29 AM, Johnny wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 12:11:10 -0400
> Gary <w...@wre.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 10:04:46 -0500, Johnny <joh...@invalid.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 11:01:39 -0400
>>> Gary <w...@wre.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 06:47:37 -0700 (PDT), me
>>>> <werner...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Whatever happened to the US Constsitution?
>>>>> http://www.endit.info/WhatConstitution.shtml
>>>>
>>>> Back in the 1950s, the (so called) court decided to start using it
>>>> for toilet paper.
Gary is referring to Brown v Board. Being a racist, he thinks keeping
> On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 12:11:10 -0400
> Gary <w...@wre.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 10:04:46 -0500, Johnny <joh...@invalid.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 11:01:39 -0400
>>> Gary <w...@wre.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 06:47:37 -0700 (PDT), me
>>>> <werner...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Whatever happened to the US Constsitution?
>>>>> http://www.endit.info/WhatConstitution.shtml
>>>>
>>>> Back in the 1950s, the (so called) court decided to start using it
>>>> for toilet paper.
blacks separate is justified.
Earth" do not include Red, Yellow or Black people. Gary is a racist.
CLOISTER
Sep 21, 2019, 5:45:47 PM9/21/19
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When all else fails...call them a racist.
Gary does not like niggers. No one likes niggers. Black people do
not like niggers.
Josh Rosenbluth
Sep 21, 2019, 5:53:58 PM9/21/19
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On 9/21/2019 2:45 PM, CLOISTER wrote:
{snip}
> Calling everyone racist is the childish chant of the Democrats.
> When all else fails...call them a racist.
> Gary does not like niggers. No one likes niggers. Black people do
> not like niggers.
It isn't easy to make an even more racist than Gary's. But, you managed it.
{snip}
> Calling everyone racist is the childish chant of the Democrats.
> When all else fails...call them a racist.
> Gary does not like niggers. No one likes niggers. Black people do
> not like niggers.
rumpelstiltskin
Sep 21, 2019, 6:30:21 PM9/21/19
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On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 12:11:10 -0400, Gary <w...@wre.com> wrote:
Empire. "Classic" modern Britons are Germans just as
"classic" modern Americans in the bigoted sense are
descended from that German wave that first invaded
Britain before part of it then moved on to invade what
is now the USA. Ancient Britons, including during
the Roman invasions, were Celtic. Those Celts were
driven out of England later by Germans (Angles and
Saxons, who are the "English" now). The "original"
Celts in England were killed or driven out to Wales,
Ireland, and Scotland, where I guess they joined
the Celts already in those places.
My ancestors swung from a bigotree than
your ancestors, as I sometimes like to say.
All this racist stuff reminds me of the old
proverb "O what a tangled web we weave,
when first we practice to deceive"
>Most animals "get along" as long as there is no need to kill for food.
>
>Who are the greatest people on Earth ? I'd say those people who are
>descended from the Roman empire. Everybody from Italy to Britain.
>Back when Rome was at its peak -- and the Senate made the rules -- how
>many of the Senators were -- Red ? Yellow ? Black ? None !
>Greatness is never "diverse". It is Homogeneous.
Modern British have no connection to the Roman
>
>Who are the greatest people on Earth ? I'd say those people who are
>descended from the Roman empire. Everybody from Italy to Britain.
>Back when Rome was at its peak -- and the Senate made the rules -- how
>many of the Senators were -- Red ? Yellow ? Black ? None !
>Greatness is never "diverse". It is Homogeneous.
Empire. "Classic" modern Britons are Germans just as
"classic" modern Americans in the bigoted sense are
descended from that German wave that first invaded
Britain before part of it then moved on to invade what
is now the USA. Ancient Britons, including during
the Roman invasions, were Celtic. Those Celts were
driven out of England later by Germans (Angles and
Saxons, who are the "English" now). The "original"
Celts in England were killed or driven out to Wales,
Ireland, and Scotland, where I guess they joined
the Celts already in those places.
My ancestors swung from a bigotree than
your ancestors, as I sometimes like to say.
All this racist stuff reminds me of the old
proverb "O what a tangled web we weave,
when first we practice to deceive"
El Castor
Sep 22, 2019, 4:11:24 AM9/22/19
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meaning of the "N" word. Clearly he does not intend it as a blanket
definition of all Black people. In any case, he is on the mark with
his "Calling everyone racist is the childish chant of the Democrats.
When all else fails...call them a racist." (-8
CLOISTER
Sep 22, 2019, 8:12:58 AM9/22/19
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rumpelstiltskin
Sep 22, 2019, 10:15:55 AM9/22/19
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On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 08:10:10 -0400, Gary <w...@wre.com> wrote:
>Before about 43 BC -- the English were Beaker people.
>
>https://www.britannica.com/topic/Beaker-folk
>
>Then the Romans came along and introduced the Beaker people to
>civilization. Romans spent almost 500 years guiding the English.
>And when they finally left, the English continued to develop -- and
>became a great people -- and empire.
The Romans in Britain and the British Empire
were separated by a thousand years and
different populations.
>
>> Those Celts were
>>driven out of England later by Germans (Angles and
>>Saxons, who are the "English" now). The "original"
>>Celts in England were killed or driven out to Wales,
>>Ireland, and Scotland, where I guess they joined
>>the Celts already in those places.
>>
>> My ancestors swung from a bigotree than
>>your ancestors, as I sometimes like to say.
>>
>> All this racist stuff reminds me of the old
>>proverb "O what a tangled web we weave,
>>when first we practice to deceive"
>
>The best thought I ever read in the line of a poem is this one:
>
>"Tell me not in mournful numbers that life is but an empty dream.. for
>the soul is dead that slumbers ... and things are not what they
>seem."
If that's the best thought you ever read
in a poem, you don't have much, or any,
feeling for poetry. It doesn't even "scan":
part of the reason for which is the word
"that", which you probably inserted due to
faulty memory since metrically it's like
tripping over a crack in the pavement.
After the ellipsis, "things are never
what they seem." would be much better
metrically, but even after those fixes,
the poem still isn't much:
Tell me not in mournful numbers
Life is but an empty dream,
For the soul is dead that slumbers -
Things are never what they seem.
---
In contrast with that, Here's a "great"
short poem:
Ozymandias
By Percy Bysshe Shelley
I met a traveller from an antique land,
Who said—“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;
And on the pedestal, these words appear:
My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.”
Notes: Ozymandias is Ramses II, usually
regarded as the "greatest" of the pharaohs.
"Mocked" above means "crafted", as in
"making a mock-up". "The heart that fed"
is the heart of the powerful Ramses II, full
of pride and selfishness and uncaring of
"commoners" except as pawns to be
sacrificed to feed his ambitions. "Survive"
as used above is a transitive verb, as in
"A child survives his parents".
>
>https://www.britannica.com/topic/Beaker-folk
>
>Then the Romans came along and introduced the Beaker people to
>civilization. Romans spent almost 500 years guiding the English.
>And when they finally left, the English continued to develop -- and
>became a great people -- and empire.
The Romans in Britain and the British Empire
were separated by a thousand years and
different populations.
>
>> Those Celts were
>>driven out of England later by Germans (Angles and
>>Saxons, who are the "English" now). The "original"
>>Celts in England were killed or driven out to Wales,
>>Ireland, and Scotland, where I guess they joined
>>the Celts already in those places.
>>
>> My ancestors swung from a bigotree than
>>your ancestors, as I sometimes like to say.
>>
>> All this racist stuff reminds me of the old
>>proverb "O what a tangled web we weave,
>>when first we practice to deceive"
>
>
>"Tell me not in mournful numbers that life is but an empty dream.. for
>the soul is dead that slumbers ... and things are not what they
>seem."
If that's the best thought you ever read
in a poem, you don't have much, or any,
feeling for poetry. It doesn't even "scan":
part of the reason for which is the word
"that", which you probably inserted due to
faulty memory since metrically it's like
tripping over a crack in the pavement.
After the ellipsis, "things are never
what they seem." would be much better
metrically, but even after those fixes,
the poem still isn't much:
Tell me not in mournful numbers
Life is but an empty dream,
For the soul is dead that slumbers -
Things are never what they seem.
---
In contrast with that, Here's a "great"
short poem:
Ozymandias
By Percy Bysshe Shelley
I met a traveller from an antique land,
Who said—“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;
And on the pedestal, these words appear:
My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.”
Notes: Ozymandias is Ramses II, usually
regarded as the "greatest" of the pharaohs.
"Mocked" above means "crafted", as in
"making a mock-up". "The heart that fed"
is the heart of the powerful Ramses II, full
of pride and selfishness and uncaring of
"commoners" except as pawns to be
sacrificed to feed his ambitions. "Survive"
as used above is a transitive verb, as in
"A child survives his parents".
Josh Rosenbluth
Sep 22, 2019, 11:23:21 AM9/22/19
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statement. Calling Gary a racist is not calling everyone a racist.
Josh Rosenbluth
Sep 22, 2019, 11:23:58 AM9/22/19
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On 9/22/2019 4:12 AM, Gary wrote:
> That's not what I said. I argued that no great "diversified" culture
> exists. There are great Yellow, Brown and Red people. And they
> created Yellow, Brown and Red cultures.
You said:
"Who are the greatest people on Earth ? I'd say those people who are
descended from the Roman empire. [...] Back when Rome was at its peak --
those greatest people.
> exists. There are great Yellow, Brown and Red people. And they
> created Yellow, Brown and Red cultures.
You said:
"Who are the greatest people on Earth ? I'd say those people who are
and the Senate made the rules -- how many of the Senators were -- Red ?
Yellow ? Black ? None !"
That is an argument that Red, Yellow and Black people are inferior to
Yellow ? Black ? None !"
those greatest people.
Josh Rosenbluth
Sep 22, 2019, 12:42:16 PM9/22/19
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On 9/22/2019 9:02 AM, Gary wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 08:23:55 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
> I look at it a little differently. IMO, all of us descended from
> England -- owe our culture to the influence of the Romans. And I do
> think today's English culture is the greatest on Earth. And I think
> the cultures of the countries that were once ruled by England -- and
> who adopted her culture -- are great. Greater than those who don't.
> They are of all races.
>
> What is the superior race ? I don't think there is one. I think that
> the elites in all races are equal. And it is those elites who rule
> and control the wowrld.
Gary, your racism is only matched by your obliviousness about your racism.
> On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 08:23:55 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
> England -- owe our culture to the influence of the Romans. And I do
> think today's English culture is the greatest on Earth. And I think
> the cultures of the countries that were once ruled by England -- and
> who adopted her culture -- are great. Greater than those who don't.
> They are of all races.
>
> What is the superior race ? I don't think there is one. I think that
> the elites in all races are equal. And it is those elites who rule
> and control the wowrld.
Gary, your racism is only matched by your obliviousness about your racism.
El Castor
Sep 22, 2019, 5:29:53 PM9/22/19
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On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 08:23:18 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Ah, but if a Black person calls another Black person a Nigger, that is
not racism? If a Black person refers to a White person as a Honky or
Bleach Boy, does that make that Black person a racist?
Louis Farrakhan, the supreme and infallible leader of 950,000 US Black
Muslims, refers to Whites as potential humans who haven't evolved yet,
and says "murder and lying come easy for White people", as well as
"The white man is our mortal enemy, and we cannot accept him". About
Jews he is not any nicer. Are Black Muslims racist?
https://www.azquotes.com/author/4679-Louis_Farrakhan
not racism? If a Black person refers to a White person as a Honky or
Bleach Boy, does that make that Black person a racist?
Louis Farrakhan, the supreme and infallible leader of 950,000 US Black
Muslims, refers to Whites as potential humans who haven't evolved yet,
and says "murder and lying come easy for White people", as well as
"The white man is our mortal enemy, and we cannot accept him". About
Jews he is not any nicer. Are Black Muslims racist?
https://www.azquotes.com/author/4679-Louis_Farrakhan
Josh Rosenbluth
Sep 22, 2019, 6:53:26 PM9/22/19
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On 9/22/2019 2:29 PM, El Castor wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 08:23:18 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> On 9/22/2019 1:11 AM, El Castor wrote:
>>> On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 14:53:54 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
>>> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/21/2019 2:45 PM, CLOISTER wrote:
>>>>
>>>> {snip}
>>>>
>>>>> Calling everyone racist is the childish chant of the Democrats.
>>>>> When all else fails...call them a racist.
>>>>> Gary does not like niggers. No one likes niggers. Black people do
>>>>> not like niggers.
>>>>
>>>> It isn't easy to make an even more racist than Gary's. But, you managed it.
>>>
>>> You really shouldn't make that judgment without understanding his
>>> meaning of the "N" word. Clearly he does not intend it as a blanket
>>> definition of all Black people. In any case, he is on the mark with
>>> his "Calling everyone racist is the childish chant of the Democrats.
>>> When all else fails...call them a racist." (-8
>>
>> Any non-black person who calls anyone a nigger is making a racist
>> statement. Calling Gary a racist is not calling everyone a racist.
>
> Ah, but if a Black person calls another Black person a Nigger, that is
> not racism?
Bingo! I can call a Jew a kike. You can't. Nor, can you call anyone a
> On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 08:23:18 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> On 9/22/2019 1:11 AM, El Castor wrote:
>>> On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 14:53:54 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
>>> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/21/2019 2:45 PM, CLOISTER wrote:
>>>>
>>>> {snip}
>>>>
>>>>> Calling everyone racist is the childish chant of the Democrats.
>>>>> When all else fails...call them a racist.
>>>>> Gary does not like niggers. No one likes niggers. Black people do
>>>>> not like niggers.
>>>>
>>>> It isn't easy to make an even more racist than Gary's. But, you managed it.
>>>
>>> You really shouldn't make that judgment without understanding his
>>> meaning of the "N" word. Clearly he does not intend it as a blanket
>>> definition of all Black people. In any case, he is on the mark with
>>> his "Calling everyone racist is the childish chant of the Democrats.
>>> When all else fails...call them a racist." (-8
>>
>> Any non-black person who calls anyone a nigger is making a racist
>> statement. Calling Gary a racist is not calling everyone a racist.
>
> Ah, but if a Black person calls another Black person a Nigger, that is
> not racism?
kike.
> If a Black person refers to a White person as a Honky or
> Bleach Boy, does that make that Black person a racist?
> Louis Farrakhan, the supreme and infallible leader of 950,000 US Black
> Muslims, refers to Whites as potential humans who haven't evolved yet,
> and says "murder and lying come easy for White people", as well as
> "The white man is our mortal enemy, and we cannot accept him". About
> Jews he is not any nicer. Are Black Muslims racist?
> https://www.azquotes.com/author/4679-Louis_Farrakhan
rumpelstiltskin
Sep 22, 2019, 9:55:16 PM9/22/19
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On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 18:36:26 -0400, Gary <w...@wre.com> wrote:
>They got along a lot better back in slavery days :-)
White slaveowners did. Maybe we should
switch things around and make you a slave
of some black people, then see it you still have
the same affection for slavery. I'd love to see
that, I really would! It would be poetic justice,
for sure!
White slaveowners did. Maybe we should
switch things around and make you a slave
of some black people, then see it you still have
the same affection for slavery. I'd love to see
that, I really would! It would be poetic justice,
for sure!
rumpelstiltskin
Sep 22, 2019, 9:55:16 PM9/22/19
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On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 12:02:29 -0400, Gary <w...@wre.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 08:23:55 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
ruled the Germans, or occupied Germany. The modern
English came to England from Germany, pushing the
Celts out into Wales and Scotland and Ireland, AFTER
the fall of the Roman empire.
>On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 08:23:55 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
>I look at it a little differently. IMO, all of us descended from
>England -- owe our culture to the influence of the Romans.
Completely false. The Romans never conquered or
>England -- owe our culture to the influence of the Romans.
ruled the Germans, or occupied Germany. The modern
English came to England from Germany, pushing the
Celts out into Wales and Scotland and Ireland, AFTER
the fall of the Roman empire.
rumpelstiltskin
Sep 22, 2019, 9:55:16 PM9/22/19
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On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 11:12:58 -0400, Gary <w...@wre.com> wrote:
>>>The best thought I ever read in the line of a poem is this one:
>>>
>>>"Tell me not in mournful numbers that life is but an empty dream.. for
>>>the soul is dead that slumbers ... and things are not what they
>>>seem."
>>
>>
>> If that's the best thought you ever read
>>in a poem, you don't have much, or any,
>>feeling for poetry.
>
>You are right. I never have been able to understand poetry. When I
>was a kid in school -- all the poetry we saw rhymed. So I thought it
>was that rhyming that made it poetry. In later years, I ran into all
>the other stuff -- but it never made sense to me. Because ... it
>didn't rhyme. I wish I had learned how to read and understand.
>
>It seems that a lot of ancient/old wisdom was hidden in -- and handed
>down to us in poetry.
>post without knowledge of the poem, might not understand what I was
>saying.
>his poems. Maybe I should give it a try.
His wife published "Frankenstein", after his early
death with two companions, by drowning, whether
by his boat being sunk in a storm, or attacked by
pirates or some other reason will never be known.
When I read Frankenstein myself, it immediately
seemed to me that it was written by Shelley
himself rather than his wife (who is not known
for writing anything else). Frankenstein isn't
just a horror novel, it's deeply philosophical, and
the philosophy is the philosophy of Shelley's poetry.
That feeling is complicated by the fact that both
Shelley and his wife were greatly influenced by
the philosopher William Godwin (Mary's father).
Byron, always the Romantic, who was very
athletic, swam out to sea so that he could
watch Shelley's funeral pyre burning on the
shore, from the darkness and solitude of the
night sea, with the sound only of the lapping
waves.
Despite his early death, Shelley is universally
regarded as one of the greatest poets. He's
also unquestionably one of the most loved.
<snip>
As to rhyme, worldwide and historically,
much poetry doesn't rhyme.
>On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 07:16:05 -0700, rumpelstiltskin<x...@y.com> wrote:
>>On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 08:10:10 -0400, Gary <w...@wre.com> wrote:
<snip>
>>On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 08:10:10 -0400, Gary <w...@wre.com> wrote:
>>>The best thought I ever read in the line of a poem is this one:
>>>
>>>"Tell me not in mournful numbers that life is but an empty dream.. for
>>>the soul is dead that slumbers ... and things are not what they
>>>seem."
>>
>>
>> If that's the best thought you ever read
>>in a poem, you don't have much, or any,
>>feeling for poetry.
>
>was a kid in school -- all the poetry we saw rhymed. So I thought it
>was that rhyming that made it poetry. In later years, I ran into all
>the other stuff -- but it never made sense to me. Because ... it
>didn't rhyme. I wish I had learned how to read and understand.
>
>It seems that a lot of ancient/old wisdom was hidden in -- and handed
>down to us in poetry.
>
>> It doesn't even "scan":
>>part of the reason for which is the word
>>"that", which you probably inserted due to
>>faulty memory since metrically it's like
>>tripping over a crack in the pavement.
>
>I inserted the "that" because I feared if anyone tried to read the
>> It doesn't even "scan":
>>part of the reason for which is the word
>>"that", which you probably inserted due to
>>faulty memory since metrically it's like
>>tripping over a crack in the pavement.
>
>post without knowledge of the poem, might not understand what I was
>saying.
>
>> After the ellipsis, "things are never
>>what they seem." would be much better
>>metrically, but even after those fixes,
>>the poem still isn't much:
>>
>> Tell me not in mournful numbers
>> Life is but an empty dream,
>> For the soul is dead that slumbers -
>> Things are never what they seem.
>
>> After the ellipsis, "things are never
>>what they seem." would be much better
>>metrically, but even after those fixes,
>>the poem still isn't much:
>>
>> Tell me not in mournful numbers
>> Life is but an empty dream,
>> For the soul is dead that slumbers -
>> Things are never what they seem.
>
>> In contrast with that, Here's a "great"
>>short poem:
>
>Very nice. I'm familiar with Shelley's name, but have never read
>>short poem:
>
>his poems. Maybe I should give it a try.
His wife published "Frankenstein", after his early
death with two companions, by drowning, whether
by his boat being sunk in a storm, or attacked by
pirates or some other reason will never be known.
When I read Frankenstein myself, it immediately
seemed to me that it was written by Shelley
himself rather than his wife (who is not known
for writing anything else). Frankenstein isn't
just a horror novel, it's deeply philosophical, and
the philosophy is the philosophy of Shelley's poetry.
That feeling is complicated by the fact that both
Shelley and his wife were greatly influenced by
the philosopher William Godwin (Mary's father).
Byron, always the Romantic, who was very
athletic, swam out to sea so that he could
watch Shelley's funeral pyre burning on the
shore, from the darkness and solitude of the
night sea, with the sound only of the lapping
waves.
Despite his early death, Shelley is universally
regarded as one of the greatest poets. He's
also unquestionably one of the most loved.
<snip>
As to rhyme, worldwide and historically,
much poetry doesn't rhyme.
Indoarsman
Sep 22, 2019, 10:10:07 PM9/22/19
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All this talk about racism is a crashing bore. A cry of racism is an attempt to stop someone from saying something interesting.
Eugene FitzAubrey 👾
Eugene FitzAubrey 👾
Creme Fraiche
Sep 23, 2019, 1:13:27 AM9/23/19
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On 9/22/2019 6:55 PM, rumpelstiltskin wrote:
> The Romans never conquered or
> ruled the Germans, or occupied Germany.
Look up the names "Augusta Treverorum," "Colonia Aggripina,"
> The Romans never conquered or
> ruled the Germans, or occupied Germany.
"Bonna," "Castra Regina," and "Augusta Vindelicorum." Now they're
known as Trier, Cologne (Köln), Bonn, Regensburg, and Augsburg.
All of those were Roman settlements now located in modern-day
western and southern Germany. Some were located along the
"Rhenus," now known as the Rhine (English, Rhein in German).
They didn't occupy the far north and the east, so the Saxon
and other Teutonic tribes were outside of Roman territory.
> English came to England from Germany, pushing the
> Celts out into Wales and Scotland and Ireland, AFTER
> the fall of the Roman empire.
But there were still remnants of the Romans that had invaded
the island of Great Britain, towns like "Londinium" and
"Eobaricum." The Anglo-Saxons replaced most of that culture,
leaving in place just a few bits and pieces.
It's accurate that Anglo-Saxon law and custom pretty much
replaced the Roman laws and customs in their entirety.
Anyone who believes that the ensuing culture and history still
has much to do with the Romans after that time is a trolling idiot.
El Castor
Sep 23, 2019, 2:14:47 AM9/23/19
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On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 15:53:23 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
I disagree. I believe what is in the heart of the Black person or Jew
who uses those words is the determining factor, not ethnicity or skin
color.
>> If a Black person refers to a White person as a Honky or
>> Bleach Boy, does that make that Black person a racist?
>
>Yes.
Oh? In my experience that would mean that a much larger percentage of
Blacks are racists than Whites.
>> Louis Farrakhan, the supreme and infallible leader of 950,000 US Black
>> Muslims, refers to Whites as potential humans who haven't evolved yet,
>> and says "murder and lying come easy for White people", as well as
>> "The white man is our mortal enemy, and we cannot accept him". About
>> Jews he is not any nicer. Are Black Muslims racist?
>> https://www.azquotes.com/author/4679-Louis_Farrakhan
>
>Farrakhan is a racist. I am sure some Black Muslims are and many are not.
Would you be as generous if we were talking about Neo Nazis? I think
not. (-8
who uses those words is the determining factor, not ethnicity or skin
color.
>> If a Black person refers to a White person as a Honky or
>> Bleach Boy, does that make that Black person a racist?
>
>Yes.
Blacks are racists than Whites.
>> Louis Farrakhan, the supreme and infallible leader of 950,000 US Black
>> Muslims, refers to Whites as potential humans who haven't evolved yet,
>> and says "murder and lying come easy for White people", as well as
>> "The white man is our mortal enemy, and we cannot accept him". About
>> Jews he is not any nicer. Are Black Muslims racist?
>> https://www.azquotes.com/author/4679-Louis_Farrakhan
>
>Farrakhan is a racist. I am sure some Black Muslims are and many are not.
not. (-8
rumpelstiltskin
Sep 23, 2019, 7:45:04 AM9/23/19
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grew into a town that eventually was renamed "York"
and became the capital of "Yorkshire". I was born in
South Yorkshire and lived there until being brought to
the USA at age 6, but I think I only went to the city
of York once, and I remember essentially nothing
about it except for a very dim memory of a branching
city street with orderly and old - attractively old -
buildings. The closest cities to where I lived in South
Yorkshire were Rotherham and Sheffield - much
more modern, but not as stately as what little I
remember of York.
I lived within walking distance, though I never
actually walked to it, of Conisbrough Castle, which
was built in the 12th century. I visited it by bus.
It's Athelstane's castle in Walter Scott's "Ivanhoe".
Cedric's castle was in Rotherham, I've heard, but
it no longer exists. Conisbrough Castle was
largely resurrected - particularly the keep - from
rubble, I understand, for a movie - perhaps a
movie of "Ivanhoe".
https://tinyurl.com/lnxw7g9
https://tinyurl.com/y647wlp6
I chatted with an English girl a day or two
ago, who didn't believe I was English because
I sounded just like an American to her.
Americans can usually still tell I wasn't born in
America though, even though I've lived here
almost continuously for nearly 70 years now.
rumpelstiltskin
Sep 23, 2019, 7:45:04 AM9/23/19
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On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 07:28:54 -0400, Gary <w...@wre.com> wrote:
>You misjudge me. I don't like slavery. I hate that it ever existed.
You stated though that black people "got along a
lot better in slavery days". Maybe some white
people think that, but probably a lot fewer black
people do.
>I wish my Great-great-grandpa had picked his own damn cotton. (He and
>a few thousand others). In 1619 John Rolfe wrote about the day
>America began to turn to .... whatever.
>
>"... About the last of August came in a dutch man of warre that sold
>us twenty negars..."
>
>Think how much better this country would be if Rolfe had sunk the man
>of warre and drowned the negars.
If one thinks that having anything but white
people in a country makes it "better", then it
would be "better". But you're not a racist,
right? so you don't think that. Or you do think
that, but don't want to be called a racist
anyway. I don't think you can have both those
things. It has to be one or the other.
You stated though that black people "got along a
lot better in slavery days". Maybe some white
people think that, but probably a lot fewer black
people do.
>I wish my Great-great-grandpa had picked his own damn cotton. (He and
>a few thousand others). In 1619 John Rolfe wrote about the day
>America began to turn to .... whatever.
>
>"... About the last of August came in a dutch man of warre that sold
>us twenty negars..."
>
>Think how much better this country would be if Rolfe had sunk the man
>of warre and drowned the negars.
If one thinks that having anything but white
people in a country makes it "better", then it
would be "better". But you're not a racist,
right? so you don't think that. Or you do think
that, but don't want to be called a racist
anyway. I don't think you can have both those
things. It has to be one or the other.
Josh Rosenbluth
Sep 23, 2019, 11:19:19 AM9/23/19
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call someone else a nigger or a kike respectively. I agree it depends
on the context. What I said is a non-black person or non-Jew can never
call someone else those words. No context justifies it.
>>> If a Black person refers to a White person as a Honky or
>>> Bleach Boy, does that make that Black person a racist?
>>
>> Yes.
>
> Oh? In my experience that would mean that a much larger percentage of
> Blacks are racists than Whites.
>
>>> Louis Farrakhan, the supreme and infallible leader of 950,000 US Black
>>> Muslims, refers to Whites as potential humans who haven't evolved yet,
>>> and says "murder and lying come easy for White people", as well as
>>> "The white man is our mortal enemy, and we cannot accept him". About
>>> Jews he is not any nicer. Are Black Muslims racist?
>>> https://www.azquotes.com/author/4679-Louis_Farrakhan
>>
>> Farrakhan is a racist. I am sure some Black Muslims are and many are not.
>
> Would you be as generous if we were talking about Neo Nazis? I think
> not. (-8
rumpelstiltskin
Sep 23, 2019, 11:24:43 AM9/23/19
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On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 08:29:33 -0400, Gary <w...@wre.com> wrote:
>I was referring to all the people of the South. Back in those days,
>everybody knew their place -- and accepted it. Rich, poor and middle
>class whites. And slaves.
Where do you think is your "place", and what
makes you so special that you shouldn't be a
slave but a black person should, and should
"know" it?
Yet you say you're "not a racist"? Who do
you expect will believe that?
>
>>>I wish my Great-great-grandpa had picked his own damn cotton. (He and
>>>a few thousand others). In 1619 John Rolfe wrote about the day
>>>America began to turn to .... whatever.
>>>
>>>"... About the last of August came in a dutch man of warre that sold
>>>us twenty negars..."
>>>
>>>Think how much better this country would be if Rolfe had sunk the man
>>>of warre and drowned the negars.
>>
>>
>> If one thinks that having anything but white
>>people in a country makes it "better", then it
>>would be "better". But you're not a racist,
>>right? so you don't think that. Or you do think
>>that, but don't want to be called a racist
>>anyway. I don't think you can have both those
>>things. It has to be one or the other.
>
>I think "unity" is what makes a country or a community good. And the
>more the inhabitants have in common -- the more they tend to unite.
Not necessarily. The Nazi Party was very
popular in its place and time.
>everybody knew their place -- and accepted it. Rich, poor and middle
>class whites. And slaves.
Where do you think is your "place", and what
makes you so special that you shouldn't be a
slave but a black person should, and should
"know" it?
Yet you say you're "not a racist"? Who do
you expect will believe that?
>
>>>I wish my Great-great-grandpa had picked his own damn cotton. (He and
>>>a few thousand others). In 1619 John Rolfe wrote about the day
>>>America began to turn to .... whatever.
>>>
>>>"... About the last of August came in a dutch man of warre that sold
>>>us twenty negars..."
>>>
>>>Think how much better this country would be if Rolfe had sunk the man
>>>of warre and drowned the negars.
>>
>>
>> If one thinks that having anything but white
>>people in a country makes it "better", then it
>>would be "better". But you're not a racist,
>>right? so you don't think that. Or you do think
>>that, but don't want to be called a racist
>>anyway. I don't think you can have both those
>>things. It has to be one or the other.
>
>more the inhabitants have in common -- the more they tend to unite.
Not necessarily. The Nazi Party was very
popular in its place and time.
Johnny
Sep 23, 2019, 11:31:40 AM9/23/19
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On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 15:53:23 -0700
I have never heard anyone use the word kike. I didn't know what it was
until I looked it up.
kike (n.)
derogatory slang for "a Jew," by 1901, American English; early evidence supports the belief that it was used at first among German-American Jews in reference to newcomers from Eastern Europe, perhaps because the names of the latter ended in -ki or -ky.
There is no charity organization of any kind here [a small city in
Pennsylvania] and, what is sadder to relate, the Jews in this city
will not form one; that is, if the present temper of the people can
be used as a criterion. The German Jews are bitterly opposed to the
"Kikes," as they persist in calling the Russian Jews .... ["Report
of the National Conference of Jewish Charities in the United
States," Cleveland, 1912]
until I looked it up.
kike (n.)
derogatory slang for "a Jew," by 1901, American English; early evidence supports the belief that it was used at first among German-American Jews in reference to newcomers from Eastern Europe, perhaps because the names of the latter ended in -ki or -ky.
There is no charity organization of any kind here [a small city in
Pennsylvania] and, what is sadder to relate, the Jews in this city
will not form one; that is, if the present temper of the people can
be used as a criterion. The German Jews are bitterly opposed to the
"Kikes," as they persist in calling the Russian Jews .... ["Report
of the National Conference of Jewish Charities in the United
States," Cleveland, 1912]
Josh Rosenbluth
Sep 23, 2019, 12:29:26 PM9/23/19
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On 9/23/2019 9:12 AM, Gary wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 08:19:12 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
{snip}
>> White and Christian supremacy is a defining feature of Nazism.
>
> Nazism ? Oh, yes. Now I recall. Nazi is a Jewish-Hebrew
> expression for people who used to lived in the ancient land of Naz.
> Naz was the area that we now call Germany. They even named their
> European cousins for that area. They called them the Ashkenazi.
> Ashke meaning "our beloved" who live in the "land of the Nazi". Or
> those damn "Germans".
>
> When Hitler took power, American journalists heard their Jewish
> superiors talking about those "damn nazis" -- they thought they
> referred to the German Fascists. You know how stupid journalists
> are.
>
> I use to wonder why the only two times I ever heard that word used it
> was applied to either the Fascist Germans or the European Jews. Odd
> isn't it !!
Jeff, have you had enough of Gary yet?
> On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 08:19:12 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
{snip}
>> White and Christian supremacy is a defining feature of Nazism.
>
> expression for people who used to lived in the ancient land of Naz.
> Naz was the area that we now call Germany. They even named their
> European cousins for that area. They called them the Ashkenazi.
> Ashke meaning "our beloved" who live in the "land of the Nazi". Or
> those damn "Germans".
>
> When Hitler took power, American journalists heard their Jewish
> superiors talking about those "damn nazis" -- they thought they
> referred to the German Fascists. You know how stupid journalists
> are.
>
> I use to wonder why the only two times I ever heard that word used it
> was applied to either the Fascist Germans or the European Jews. Odd
> isn't it !!
Jeff, have you had enough of Gary yet?
rumpelstiltskin
Sep 23, 2019, 12:47:32 PM9/23/19
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On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 12:08:09 -0400, Gary <w...@wre.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 08:24:41 -0700, rumpelstiltskin<x...@y.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 08:29:33 -0400, Gary <w...@wre.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 04:45:02 -0700, rumpelstiltskin<x...@y.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 07:28:54 -0400, Gary <w...@wre.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 18:55:27 -0700, rumpelstiltskin<x...@y.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> White slaveowners did. Maybe we should
>>>>>>switch things around and make you a slave
>>>>>>of some black people, then see it you still have
>>>>>>the same affection for slavery. I'd love to see
>>>>>>that, I really would! It would be poetic justice,
>>>>>>for sure!
>>>>>
>>>>>You misjudge me. I don't like slavery. I hate that it ever existed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You stated though that black people "got along a
>>>>lot better in slavery days". Maybe some white
>>>>people think that, but probably a lot fewer black
>>>>people do.
>>>
>>>I was referring to all the people of the South. Back in those days,
>>>everybody knew their place -- and accepted it. Rich, poor and middle
>>>class whites. And slaves.
>>
>>
>> Where do you think is your "place", and what
>>makes you so special that you shouldn't be a
>>slave but a black person should, and should
>>"know" it?
>
>According to Anglo law -- nobody but Africans could legally be slaves.
I can see why you like the "good old days" then.
>
>Given a choice in 1860 -- I wonder how many slaves would have chosen
>to be returned to Africa ? I bet ... not many.
Even fewer, of course would like to remain slaves.
> I'd wager a
>Southern slave had a far easier life than a jungle dwelling African.
>And ... a longer life.
If I were a king and your ancestors were my
slaves, they might have had an "easier" live than
working in the mud. Those are not the only two
alternatives, although obviously a profiteer would
like to pretend they are.
>
>> Yet you say you're "not a racist"? Who do
>>you expect will believe that?
>
>I have no idea. Nor do I spend a lot of time worrying about it. I'm
>descended from Limey stock.
>would have been no "Heil Hitler !" ... or World War 2.
They didn't oppose it.
>On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 08:24:41 -0700, rumpelstiltskin<x...@y.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 08:29:33 -0400, Gary <w...@wre.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 04:45:02 -0700, rumpelstiltskin<x...@y.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 07:28:54 -0400, Gary <w...@wre.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 18:55:27 -0700, rumpelstiltskin<x...@y.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> White slaveowners did. Maybe we should
>>>>>>switch things around and make you a slave
>>>>>>of some black people, then see it you still have
>>>>>>the same affection for slavery. I'd love to see
>>>>>>that, I really would! It would be poetic justice,
>>>>>>for sure!
>>>>>
>>>>>You misjudge me. I don't like slavery. I hate that it ever existed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You stated though that black people "got along a
>>>>lot better in slavery days". Maybe some white
>>>>people think that, but probably a lot fewer black
>>>>people do.
>>>
>>>I was referring to all the people of the South. Back in those days,
>>>everybody knew their place -- and accepted it. Rich, poor and middle
>>>class whites. And slaves.
>>
>>
>> Where do you think is your "place", and what
>>makes you so special that you shouldn't be a
>>slave but a black person should, and should
>>"know" it?
>
I can see why you like the "good old days" then.
>
>Given a choice in 1860 -- I wonder how many slaves would have chosen
>to be returned to Africa ? I bet ... not many.
Even fewer, of course would like to remain slaves.
> I'd wager a
>Southern slave had a far easier life than a jungle dwelling African.
>And ... a longer life.
If I were a king and your ancestors were my
slaves, they might have had an "easier" live than
working in the mud. Those are not the only two
alternatives, although obviously a profiteer would
like to pretend they are.
>
>> Yet you say you're "not a racist"? Who do
>>you expect will believe that?
>
>descended from Limey stock.
>
>
>>>>>I wish my Great-great-grandpa had picked his own damn cotton. (He and
>>>>>a few thousand others). In 1619 John Rolfe wrote about the day
>>>>>America began to turn to .... whatever.
>>>>>
>>>>>"... About the last of August came in a dutch man of warre that sold
>>>>>us twenty negars..."
>>>>>
>>>>>Think how much better this country would be if Rolfe had sunk the man
>>>>>of warre and drowned the negars.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If one thinks that having anything but white
>>>>people in a country makes it "better", then it
>>>>would be "better". But you're not a racist,
>>>>right? so you don't think that. Or you do think
>>>>that, but don't want to be called a racist
>>>>anyway. I don't think you can have both those
>>>>things. It has to be one or the other.
>>>
>>>I think "unity" is what makes a country or a community good. And the
>>>more the inhabitants have in common -- the more they tend to unite.
>>
>>
>> Not necessarily. The Nazi Party was very
>>popular in its place and time.
>
>That's what I said. Had the German population opposed it --- There
>
>>>>>I wish my Great-great-grandpa had picked his own damn cotton. (He and
>>>>>a few thousand others). In 1619 John Rolfe wrote about the day
>>>>>America began to turn to .... whatever.
>>>>>
>>>>>"... About the last of August came in a dutch man of warre that sold
>>>>>us twenty negars..."
>>>>>
>>>>>Think how much better this country would be if Rolfe had sunk the man
>>>>>of warre and drowned the negars.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If one thinks that having anything but white
>>>>people in a country makes it "better", then it
>>>>would be "better". But you're not a racist,
>>>>right? so you don't think that. Or you do think
>>>>that, but don't want to be called a racist
>>>>anyway. I don't think you can have both those
>>>>things. It has to be one or the other.
>>>
>>>I think "unity" is what makes a country or a community good. And the
>>>more the inhabitants have in common -- the more they tend to unite.
>>
>>
>> Not necessarily. The Nazi Party was very
>>popular in its place and time.
>
>would have been no "Heil Hitler !" ... or World War 2.
They didn't oppose it.
El Castor
Sep 23, 2019, 2:48:29 PM9/23/19
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On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 08:19:12 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
And hatred of Whites, and Jews in particular, is a defining feature of
Black Muslims, AKA The Nation of Islam.
In the words of the Southern Poverty Law Center ...
"Since its founding in 1930, the Nation of Islam (NOI) has grown into
one of the wealthiest and best-known organizations in black America,
offering numerous programs and events designed to uplift African
Americans. Nonetheless, its bizarre theology of innate black
superiority over whites – a belief system vehemently and consistently
rejected by mainstream Muslims – and the deeply racist, antisemitic
and anti-gay rhetoric of its leaders, including top minister Louis
Farrakhan, have earned the NOI a prominent position in the ranks of
organized hate." Much More ...
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/nation-islam
Black Muslims, AKA The Nation of Islam.
In the words of the Southern Poverty Law Center ...
"Since its founding in 1930, the Nation of Islam (NOI) has grown into
one of the wealthiest and best-known organizations in black America,
offering numerous programs and events designed to uplift African
Americans. Nonetheless, its bizarre theology of innate black
superiority over whites – a belief system vehemently and consistently
rejected by mainstream Muslims – and the deeply racist, antisemitic
and anti-gay rhetoric of its leaders, including top minister Louis
Farrakhan, have earned the NOI a prominent position in the ranks of
organized hate." Much More ...
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/nation-islam
El Castor
Sep 23, 2019, 2:58:03 PM9/23/19
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On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 12:12:27 -0400, Gary <w...@wre.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 08:19:12 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
I've spent a lot of time defending you, Gary. It was a mistake that I
won't repeat.
>On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 08:19:12 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
>Nazism ? Oh, yes. Now I recall. Nazi is a Jewish-Hebrew
>expression for people who used to lived in the ancient land of Naz.
>Naz was the area that we now call Germany. They even named their
>European cousins for that area. They called them the Ashkenazi.
>Ashke meaning "our beloved" who live in the "land of the Nazi". Or
>those damn "Germans".
>
>When Hitler took power, American journalists heard their Jewish
>superiors talking about those "damn nazis" -- they thought they
>referred to the German Fascists. You know how stupid journalists
>are.
>
>I use to wonder why the only two times I ever heard that word used it
>was applied to either the Fascist Germans or the European Jews. Odd
>isn't it !!
Why do you keep spewing your idiotic nauseating Land of Naz crap!!
>expression for people who used to lived in the ancient land of Naz.
>Naz was the area that we now call Germany. They even named their
>European cousins for that area. They called them the Ashkenazi.
>Ashke meaning "our beloved" who live in the "land of the Nazi". Or
>those damn "Germans".
>
>When Hitler took power, American journalists heard their Jewish
>superiors talking about those "damn nazis" -- they thought they
>referred to the German Fascists. You know how stupid journalists
>are.
>
>I use to wonder why the only two times I ever heard that word used it
>was applied to either the Fascist Germans or the European Jews. Odd
>isn't it !!
I've spent a lot of time defending you, Gary. It was a mistake that I
won't repeat.
El Castor
Sep 23, 2019, 2:58:47 PM9/23/19
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On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 09:29:20 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Yes!
El Castor
Sep 23, 2019, 3:02:48 PM9/23/19
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a nice word.
Josh Rosenbluth
Sep 23, 2019, 3:50:42 PM9/23/19
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saying black Muslims are racist.
rumpelstiltskin
Sep 23, 2019, 5:23:58 PM9/23/19
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On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 13:10:05 -0400, Gary <w...@wre.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 09:47:30 -0700, rumpelstiltskin<x...@y.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 12:08:09 -0400, Gary <w...@wre.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 08:24:41 -0700, rumpelstiltskin<x...@y.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 08:29:33 -0400, Gary <w...@wre.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 04:45:02 -0700, rumpelstiltskin<x...@y.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> You stated though that black people "got along a
>>>>>>lot better in slavery days". Maybe some white
>>>>>>people think that, but probably a lot fewer black
>>>>>>people do.
>>>>>
>>>>>I was referring to all the people of the South. Back in those days,
>>>>>everybody knew their place -- and accepted it. Rich, poor and middle
>>>>>class whites. And slaves.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Where do you think is your "place", and what
>>>>makes you so special that you shouldn't be a
>>>>slave but a black person should, and should
>>>>"know" it?
>>>
>>>According to Anglo law -- nobody but Africans could legally be slaves.
>>
>>
>> I can see why you like the "good old days" then.
>>
>>>
>>>Given a choice in 1860 -- I wonder how many slaves would have chosen
>>>to be returned to Africa ? I bet ... not many.
>>
>> Even fewer, of course would like to remain slaves.
>
>A slave on a Southern plantation had a much better life than an
>African bush-man. He had good food -- instead of lizards and
>grasshoppers. He had a safe place to sleep. Instead of under a tree
>full of monkeys. He knew that nobody was going to kill him -- and
>eat him. Life was much better -- even if he did have to work a few
>hours a day.
He had a better live than a person chained to a
wall and whipped by a sadist too. So what?
>
>>> I'd wager a
>>>Southern slave had a far easier life than a jungle dwelling African.
>>>And ... a longer life.
>>
>>
>> If I were a king and your ancestors were my
>>slaves, they might have had an "easier" live than
>>working in the mud. Those are not the only two
>>alternatives, although obviously a profiteer would
>>like to pretend they are.
>
>Slaves cost about $1,000. ($28,000 in today's money) If it were
>still legal -- would you pay $28,000 to own a colored boy ?
Some people regard enslaving another person as immoral.
<snip>
>On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 09:47:30 -0700, rumpelstiltskin<x...@y.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 12:08:09 -0400, Gary <w...@wre.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 08:24:41 -0700, rumpelstiltskin<x...@y.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 08:29:33 -0400, Gary <w...@wre.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 04:45:02 -0700, rumpelstiltskin<x...@y.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> You stated though that black people "got along a
>>>>>>lot better in slavery days". Maybe some white
>>>>>>people think that, but probably a lot fewer black
>>>>>>people do.
>>>>>
>>>>>I was referring to all the people of the South. Back in those days,
>>>>>everybody knew their place -- and accepted it. Rich, poor and middle
>>>>>class whites. And slaves.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Where do you think is your "place", and what
>>>>makes you so special that you shouldn't be a
>>>>slave but a black person should, and should
>>>>"know" it?
>>>
>>>According to Anglo law -- nobody but Africans could legally be slaves.
>>
>>
>> I can see why you like the "good old days" then.
>>
>>>
>>>Given a choice in 1860 -- I wonder how many slaves would have chosen
>>>to be returned to Africa ? I bet ... not many.
>>
>> Even fewer, of course would like to remain slaves.
>
>African bush-man. He had good food -- instead of lizards and
>grasshoppers. He had a safe place to sleep. Instead of under a tree
>full of monkeys. He knew that nobody was going to kill him -- and
>eat him. Life was much better -- even if he did have to work a few
>hours a day.
He had a better live than a person chained to a
wall and whipped by a sadist too. So what?
>
>>> I'd wager a
>>>Southern slave had a far easier life than a jungle dwelling African.
>>>And ... a longer life.
>>
>>
>> If I were a king and your ancestors were my
>>slaves, they might have had an "easier" live than
>>working in the mud. Those are not the only two
>>alternatives, although obviously a profiteer would
>>like to pretend they are.
>
>still legal -- would you pay $28,000 to own a colored boy ?
Some people regard enslaving another person as immoral.
<snip>
El Castor
Sep 23, 2019, 5:29:12 PM9/23/19
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On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 12:50:38 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Would you say that membership in the American Nazi Party is an
indication of a high likelihood of racism? I suspect you would. The
Nation of Islam defines its philosophy and beliefs just as clearly. It
is NOT simply a Muslim organization, it represents a "bizarre theology
conclude about its membership as a group? I will grant that the
personal beliefs of some members will vary, but the same would be true
of the American Nazi Party membership.
indication of a high likelihood of racism? I suspect you would. The
Nation of Islam defines its philosophy and beliefs just as clearly. It
is NOT simply a Muslim organization, it represents a "bizarre theology
of innate black superiority over whites – a belief system vehemently
and consistently rejected by mainstream Muslims". So what else to
conclude about its membership as a group? I will grant that the
personal beliefs of some members will vary, but the same would be true
of the American Nazi Party membership.
Josh Rosenbluth
Sep 23, 2019, 5:52:46 PM9/23/19
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On 9/23/2019 2:29 PM, El Castor wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 12:50:38 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
{snip}
> On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 12:50:38 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
> <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> I agree the Nation of Islam is racist. But, that's different than
>> saying black Muslims are racist.
>
> Would you say that membership in the American Nazi Party is an
> indication of a high likelihood of racism? I suspect you would. The
> Nation of Islam defines its philosophy and beliefs just as clearly. It
> is NOT simply a Muslim organization, it represents a "bizarre theology
> of innate black superiority over whites – a belief system vehemently
> and consistently rejected by mainstream Muslims". So what else to
> conclude about its membership as a group? I will grant that the
> personal beliefs of some members will vary, but the same would be true
> of the American Nazi Party membership.
El Castor
Sep 23, 2019, 11:11:09 PM9/23/19
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On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 16:15:05 -0400, Gary <w...@wre.com> wrote:
>I could be wrong, but I think it is true. I ran across this subject
>on the internet about 10 years ago. It sort of makes sense and
>answers some questions I have always wondered about.
>
>As I've mentioned -- as army brat growing up with soldiers -- I
>always wondered where the word "Nazi" came from. I was always told he
>same bullshit.
>
>It would go like this:
>
>"What does the word Nazi mean? "
>
>Pompous adult answers ---
>
>"Nazi stands for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, the
>National Socialist German Workers Party".
>
>I was too little and defenseless to say "bullshit !" to my elders. But
>even as a kid I had a feeling that was total balderdash. It didn't
>appear to be an acronym. It doesn't look or "feel" like an acronym.
> So a few years ago I got a different answer.
Just for the record, Hitler was a virulent maniacal anti-Semite. His
goal was to literally destroy every last Jew on the planet. You can be
sure that Jews had absolutely nothing to do with founding, naming, or
in any way co-operating with his National Socialist Party. The term
Nazi was a pejorative of German origin used to describe members of the
National Socialist Party -- a pejorative that Hitler did not like. Any
suggestions to the contrary are likely to royally piss off your
listeners.
>on the internet about 10 years ago. It sort of makes sense and
>answers some questions I have always wondered about.
>
>As I've mentioned -- as army brat growing up with soldiers -- I
>always wondered where the word "Nazi" came from. I was always told he
>same bullshit.
>
>It would go like this:
>
>"What does the word Nazi mean? "
>
>Pompous adult answers ---
>
>"Nazi stands for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, the
>National Socialist German Workers Party".
>
>I was too little and defenseless to say "bullshit !" to my elders. But
>even as a kid I had a feeling that was total balderdash. It didn't
>appear to be an acronym. It doesn't look or "feel" like an acronym.
> So a few years ago I got a different answer.
Just for the record, Hitler was a virulent maniacal anti-Semite. His
goal was to literally destroy every last Jew on the planet. You can be
sure that Jews had absolutely nothing to do with founding, naming, or
in any way co-operating with his National Socialist Party. The term
Nazi was a pejorative of German origin used to describe members of the
National Socialist Party -- a pejorative that Hitler did not like. Any
suggestions to the contrary are likely to royally piss off your
listeners.
El Castor
Sep 23, 2019, 11:13:01 PM9/23/19
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On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 16:15:43 -0400, Gary <w...@wre.com> wrote:
>Here are a few more names for the Chosen People :-)
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religious_slurs#Jews
I give up on you.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religious_slurs#Jews
I give up on you.
El Castor
Sep 23, 2019, 11:40:49 PM9/23/19
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On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 14:52:43 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
I've just done some reading on the subject, and you are right. The
Nation of Islam may only have around 20,000 members. In the last 10 or
15 years many members have left to join mainstream Muslim mosques.
Nation of Islam may only have around 20,000 members. In the last 10 or
15 years many members have left to join mainstream Muslim mosques.
El Castor
Sep 24, 2019, 3:30:37 PM9/24/19
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On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 22:13:24 -0700, Creme Fraiche <ca...@lat.te> wrote:
1. Ashkenazi Jews
2. East Asians
3. Caucasians
4. West Asians, Latinos, Arabs
5. Africans
Individuals can of course vary greatly.
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