Medical statistics (real eye opener)
strik...@mail.com
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> Medical statistics
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> A recent "Investor's Business Daily" article provided very
>interesting statistics from a survey by the United Nations International
>Health Organization.
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> Percentage of men and women who survived a cancer five years after
>diagnosis:
> U.S. 65%
> England 46%
> Canada 42%
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> Percentage of patients diagnosed with diabetes who received
>treatment within six months:
> U.S. 93%
> England 15%
> Canada 43%
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> Percentage of seniors needing hip replacement who received it
>within six months:
> U.S. 90%
> England 15%
> Canada 43%
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> Percentage referred to a medical specialist who see one within one
>month:
> U.S. 77%
> England 40%
> Canada 43%
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> Number of MRI scanners (a prime diagnostic tool) per million
>people:
> U.S. 71
> England 14
> Canada 18
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> Percentage of seniors (65+), with low income, who say they are in
>"excellent health":
> U.S. 12%
> England 2%
> Canada 6%
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> I don't know about you, but I don't want "Universal Healthcare"
>comparable to England or Canada .
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> Moreover, it was Sen. Harry Reid who said, "Elderly Americans must
>learn to accept the inconveniences of old age."
> SHIP HIS A** TO CANADA OR ENGLAND !
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Lars Eighner
<ogj7k5l4g46eq6u5s...@4ax.com>,
the lovely and talented strik...@mail.com
broadcast on alt.politics:
> On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:01:58 -0700, <rayk...@rnsmte.com> wrote:
>> Medical statistics
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>> A recent "Investor's Business Daily" article provided very
>>interesting statistics from a survey by the United Nations International
>>Health Organization.
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>> Percentage of men and women who survived a cancer five years after
>>diagnosis:
Key word: 'diagnosis.' People without health care do not get diagnosed.
>> Percentage of patients diagnosed with diabetes who received
>>treatment within six months:
Key word: 'diagnosed.' People without health care do not get diagnosed.
>> Percentage referred to a medical specialist who see one within
>>one month:
Key word: 'referred.' People without health care do not get referred.
>> Percentage of seniors (65+), with low income, who say they are in
>>"excellent health":
>> U.S. 12%
>> England 2%
>> Canada 6%
So Medicare works! Obviously Medicare for everyone would be better.
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jane
> In our last episode,
> <ogj7k5l4g46eq6u5sjkhsobfq529e22...@4ax.com>,
> the lovely and talented striker...@mail.com
> broadcast on alt.politics:
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> > On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:01:58 -0700, <raykel...@rnsmte.com> wrote:
> >> Medical statistics
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> >> A recent "Investor's Business Daily" article provided very
> >>interesting statistics from a survey by the United Nations International
> >>Health Organization.
>
> >> Percentage of men and women who survived a cancer five years after
> >>diagnosis:
>
> Key word: 'diagnosis.' People without health care do not get diagnosed.
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> >> Percentage of patients diagnosed with diabetes who received
> >>treatment within six months:
>
> Key word: 'diagnosed.' People without health care do not get diagnosed.
>
> >> Percentage referred to a medical specialist who see one within
> >>one month:
>
> Key word: 'referred.' People without health care do not get referred.
>
Your presumption here is that, since we have people without health
care, our "amount" of diagnosis is not as good.
Sorry, Lars, but your presumption is a false presumption:
SOooo, here are the numbers. Draw your own conclusions:
*Americans have a higher 5 year cancer survival rate than
Canadians.
* Nine of 10 middle-aged American women (89 percent) have had a
mammogram, compared to less than three-fourths of Canadians (72
percent).
* Nearly all American women (96 percent) have had a pap smear,
compared to less than 90 percent of Canadians.
* More than half of American men (54 percent) have had a PSA test,
compared to less than 1 in 6 Canadians (16 percent).
* Nearly one-third of Americans (30 percent) have had a
colonoscopy, compared with less than 1 in 20 Canadians (5 percent).
Maybe items 5 through 8 explain item #1.
Jane.
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> So Medicare works! Obviously Medicare for everyone would be better.
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Yes, Medicare works, BUT. Medicare is going broke. Medicare is
currently spending more in benefits than it collects in premiums. The
Medicare Trust fund will be depleted in just a few years; 2017. In
2017 the benefits paid will be only 81% of Medicare premiums
collected.
Here is a quote directly from the SSA Trustees Report: "Growing annual
deficits are projected to exhaust HI reserves in 2017, after which the
percentage of scheduled benefits payable from tax income would decline
from 81 percent in 2017 to about 50 percent in 2035 and 30 percent in
2080"
Many doctors have refused accepting additional Medicare patients and
many doctors have dropped their existing Medicare patients. The May
Clinic in Arizona has stopped accepting Medicare payments and their
Medicare patients must find a new doctor or pay cash.
Jane
Earl Evleth
"strik...@mail.com" <strik...@mail.com> wrote:
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>> I don't know about you, but I don't want "Universal Healthcare"
>> comparable to England or Canada .
The one statistic that is left out is longevity, that is, after
all, the bottom line.
Female Male
Canada 83.91 78.69
UK 81.63 76.52
USA 80.69 75.65
these numbers are from the CIA factbook
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html
Oh, yes by the way I am living in France, which is supposed to have
the world's best health care system (socialized, of course) and
the longevity figures are
France 84.33 77.79
I (a male) have reached 78 and am still around so made the average.
I will probably have a couple of more years yet.
Maybe in the US it is not the poorer health care system that knocks
the longevity statistics down but the higher homicide rate. Of
the 4 countries, the US is the only one in which people feel the
have to have a gun for self protection.
Earl Evleth
"strik...@mail.com" <strik...@mail.com> wrote:
> United Nations International Health Organization.
Who are they? I don't find an organization by that
name on the internet.
Next, "Investor's Business Daily" is a right wing publication.
One blasty article about thems says----
"Investor's Business Daily has as much as 100 lies on every page"
No doubt an exaggeration but a lot on the internet is and
you are contibuting to it.
Lars Eighner
<4f7b176d-c488-4bee...@r24g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, the
lovely and talented jane broadcast on alt.politics:
> On Jan 6, 8:41�am, Lars Eighner <use...@larseighner.com> wrote:
>> In our last episode,
>> <ogj7k5l4g46eq6u5sjkhsobfq529e22...@4ax.com>,
>> the lovely and talented striker...@mail.com
>> broadcast on alt.politics:
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>> > On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:01:58 -0700, <raykel...@rnsmte.com> wrote:
>> >> � � � � �Medical statistics
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>> >> � � � � �A recent "Investor's Business Daily" article provided very
>> >>interesting statistics from a survey by the United Nations International
>> >>Health Organization.
>>
>> >> � � � � �Percentage of men and women who survived a cancer five years after
>> >>diagnosis:
>>
>> Key word: 'diagnosis.' �People without health care do not get diagnosed.
>>
>> >> � � � � �Percentage of patients diagnosed with diabetes who received
>> >>treatment within six months:
>>
>> Key word: 'diagnosed.' �People without health care do not get diagnosed.
>>
>> >> � � � � �Percentage referred to a medical specialist who see one within
>> >>one month:
>>
>> Key word: 'referred.' �People without health care do not get referred.
>>
> Your presumption here is that, since we have people without health
> care, our "amount" of diagnosis is not as good.
Exactly. And I am right.
> Sorry, Lars, but your presumption is a false presumption:
> SOooo, here are the numbers. Draw your own conclusions:
> *Americans have a higher 5 year cancer survival rate than
> Canadians.
There is no way to know how long those who were never diagnosed because they
cannot afford primary care survided.
> * Nine of 10 middle-aged American women (89 percent) have had a
> mammogram, compared to less than three-fourths of Canadians (72
> percent).
It is not clear this has an overall good effect on outcomes.
>> So Medicare works! �Obviously Medicare for everyone would be better.
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> Yes, Medicare works, BUT. Medicare is going broke. Medicare is
> currently spending more in benefits than it collects in premiums.
I've been hearing that for nearly 40 years now.
--
Lars Eighner <http://larseighner.com/> Warbama's Afghaninam day: 35
853.8 hours since Warbama declared Viet Nam II.
jane
By the same token, it can not be determined how long those CANADIANS
who were never diagnosed because they did not get the diagnostic
tests. For example, Nearly one-third of Americans (30 percent) have
had a colonoscopy, compared with less than 1 in 20 Canadians (5
percent). Colon cancer is one of the easiest cancers to cure if
caught early.
> > Yes, Medicare works, BUT. Medicare is going broke. Medicare is
> > currently spending more in benefits than it collects in premiums.
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> I've been hearing that for nearly 40 years now.
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NO YOU HAVEN"T. Medicare has only been in the red since 2004. AND it
will get worse in 2 years when the first baby boomer qualifies for
Medicare.
Look for yourself:
http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/TRSUM/index.html
Medicare Income for 2008 $230.8 Billion
Medicare Outgo for 2008 $236.5 Billion
http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/TRSUM/index.html
Stick your head in the sand if you want.
Jane.
Earl Evleth
d1a2666a-82a0-4060...@33g2000vbe.googlegroups.com, "jane"
<jane....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Medicare Income for 2008 $230.8 Billion
> Medicare Outgo for 2008 $236.5 Billion
> http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/TRSUM/index.html
and the assets of the HI are 321.3 billion.
The problem is not this year but that the
assets will to go zero in 2017. So something has
to be done for the long run.
The central problem in the US is that that medical
care takes a much bigger hunk out of the national income
(at 16% and rising) that Europe's which generally has
a better health care system (I am writing from France
where I live) and it is globally less expensive (around
11%)
I will also note here that the original poster did not
mention heart disease which is the major cause of death.
21% of Americans die from heart disease, it costs them an average
15 years of their lives. The French figure is 9% cost
them 5 years of their lives. Americans are influenced the
the fear factor of things like breast cancer which is a cause
in 2% of the deaths, the same figure as traffic accidents
which are not particular feared as a cause of death
mort_amro_usa_unitedstatesofamerica.pdf.
The right wing propaganda effort in this area is one of
spreading disinformation. Fortunately France if free of
this, the birthers, the creationist and the vast number
of kook which infest the political landscape;
Thumper
<use...@larseighner.com> wrote:
Does Canada stress mammograms as much? Do they have as much tv
advertising about it?
Thumper
Earl Evleth
"Thumper" <jayl...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Does Canada stress mammograms as much? Do they have as much tv
> advertising about it?
I am curious now. Does American TV advertise heavily to lose weight
and not eat junk food? What does McDonald's say on TV???
Dave Heil
> In our last episode,
> <ogj7k5l4g46eq6u5s...@4ax.com>,
> the lovely and talented strik...@mail.com
> broadcast on alt.politics:
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>> On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:01:58 -0700, <rayk...@rnsmte.com> wrote:
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>>> Medical statistics
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>>> A recent "Investor's Business Daily" article provided very
>>> interesting statistics from a survey by the United Nations International
>>> Health Organization.
>>>
>>> Percentage of men and women who survived a cancer five years after
>>> diagnosis:
>
> Key word: 'diagnosis.' People without health care do not get diagnosed.
Just 3.5 miles from me is a clinic which is open four days each week.
People with no medical insurance or with the best medical insurance are
diagnosed daily. Those without medical insurance pay just $42.00 per
office visit.
>>> Percentage of patients diagnosed with diabetes who received
>>> treatment within six months:
> Key word: 'diagnosed.' People without health care do not get diagnosed.
You mean medical insurance. Yes, they get diagnozed.
>>> Percentage referred to a medical specialist who see one within
>>> one month:
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> Key word: 'referred.' People without health care do not get referred.
You mean medical insurance. Yes, they get referred.
>>> Percentage of seniors (65+), with low income, who say they are in
>>> "excellent health":
>>> U.S. 12%
>>> England 2%
>>> Canada 6%
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> So Medicare works! Obviously Medicare for everyone would be better.
You've drawn an incorrect conclusion.