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wolfbat359

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Feb 27, 2018, 9:16:46 PM2/27/18
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the inconvenient truth

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Feb 28, 2018, 12:01:31 AM2/28/18
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On 2/27/2018 7:16 PM, wolfbat359 wrote:
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https://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/assault-weapons-ban-failed/2014/09/14/id/594500/

The battle to end gun violence in America has been erroneously focused
on banning assault weapons — though more citizens are killed with
handguns — and should be on eliminating the conditions that lead to such
activity, according to an op-ed piece in The New York Times.

"We spent a whole bunch of time and a whole bunch of political capital
yelling and screaming about assault weapons," New Orleans Mayor Mitchell
Landrieu told Lois Beckett, a ProPublica reporter who writes about gun
violence, for the piece.

It turned out to be a "zero-sum political fight about a symbolic
weapon," Landrieu said.

"This is not just a gun issue, this is an unemployment issue, it’s a
poverty issue, it’s a family issue, it’s a culture-of-violence issue,"
Landrieu said.
He joined with Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter to create Cities
United, an organization that seeks to prevent deaths of young
African-American men.

In the op-ed, Beckett contended that the "the law that barred the sale
of assault weapons from 1994 to 2004 made little difference.

"It turns out that big, scary military rifles don’t kill the vast
majority of the 11,000 Americans murdered with guns each year. Little
handguns do," Beckett said.

According to FBI data, only 322 people were murdered with any kind of
rifle in 2012 — and the continued focus on assault weapons stems from
heavy media coverage of "mass shootings, which disproportionately
involve weapons like the AR-15, a civilian version of the military M16
rifle," she said.

"This, in turn, obscures some grim truths about who is really dying from
gunshots.

"Most Americans do not know that gun homicides have decreased by 49
percent since 1993 as violent crime also fell, though rates of gun
homicide in the United States are still much higher than those in other
developed nations," Beckett said.

Examining statistics from several years leading up to when President
Bill Clinton signed the assault weapons ban in 1994, she argued that a
huge spike in gun violence led Democrats to push for it because the guns
were portrayed by the media "as the gun of choice for drug dealers and
criminals, and which many in law enforcement wanted to get off the streets."

However, "this politically defined category of guns — a selection of
rifles, shotguns and handguns with 'military-style' features — only
figured in about 2 percent of gun crimes nationwide before the ban,"
Beckett said.
"Handguns were used in more than 80 percent of murders each year, but
gun-control advocates had failed to interest enough of the public in a
handgun ban. Handguns were the weapons most likely to kill you, but they
were associated by the public with self-defense.

"Banning sales of military-style weapons resonated with both legislators
and the public: Civilians did not need to own guns designed for use in
war zones," Beckett said.

Clinton later attributed heavy Democratic losses on Capitol Hill in 1994
to the weapons ban.

"Crime fell, but when the ban expired, a detailed study found no proof
that it had contributed to the decline," she said. "The ban did reduce
the number of assault weapons recovered by local police, to 1 percent
from roughly 2 percent."

The piece quoted a study on the effectiveness of the weapons ban
financed by the Justice Department: "Should it be renewed, the ban’s
effects on gun violence are likely to be small at best and perhaps too
small for reliable measurement."
Therefore, because of the difficult economic conditions that lead to gun
violence — including high unemployment, low educational achievement —
these conditions must be changed, Beckett argued.

"More than 20 years of research funded by the Justice Department has
found that programs to target high-risk people or places, rather than
targeting certain kinds of guns, can reduce gun violence."

She noted how New Orleans, under Landrieu's leadership, was now
identifying young men most at risk and working to help them find employment.

"How well this strategy will work in the long term remains to be seen,"
Beckett concluded. "But it’s an approach based on an honest assessment
of the real numbers."

mg

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Feb 28, 2018, 4:19:22 AM2/28/18
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On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 18:16:43 -0800 (PST), wolfbat359
<wolfb...@gmail.com> wrote:

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Did mass shootings increase 200 percent since assault weapons ban
expired?

Politifact has rated this claim "mostly false".
http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2018/feb/23/ted-deutch/did-mass-shootings-increase-200-percent-assault-we/


wolfbat359

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Feb 28, 2018, 8:13:36 AM2/28/18
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Well that is what she said!

JackPineSavage

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Feb 28, 2018, 9:36:33 AM2/28/18
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On 28-Feb-18 07:13, dingbat359 wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 2:19:22 AM UTC-7, mg wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 18:16:43 -0800 (PST), dingbat359
>> <dingb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/28377865_1956087087817669_5770708696529540260_n.jpg?oh=179d7a4636cb76242ce18f314990e6b6&oe=5B0EA96B
>>>
>>>
>> Did mass shootings increase 200 percent since assault weapons ban
>> expired?
>>
>> Politifact has rated this claim "mostly false".
>> http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2018/feb/23/ted-deutch/did-mass-shootings-increase-200-percent-assault-we/
>
> Well that is what she said!
>
And like the good little sheeple you are, you just blindly post it here
without any research to verify its accuracy because it fits your phony
agenda.

the inconvenient truth

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Feb 28, 2018, 10:39:02 AM2/28/18
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Good God you're STUPID!

rumpelstiltskin

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Feb 28, 2018, 11:03:34 AM2/28/18
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I don't know when an assault weapons ban expired,
but the guy who murdered 58 people in Las Vegas
managed to get or create mass-murder guns somehow.

I do think about being in places where there are large
crowds these days. It was a factor in my not going to
the Chinese New Year's Day celebration this year,
although the major reason was just that I don't like
firecrackers.

I won't go to the Saint Patrick's day parade either
though, and there are no firecrackers there. Chalk
that up to mass-killing-guns or to terrorism, they're
two factors in the same phenomenon. Another factor
of course is bombs. At least we don't live in a
country where mass-machete attacks are common,
slicing off people's arms and leaving them to die
slowly because that's a more efficient way of killing
a lot of people.


the inconvenient truth

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Feb 28, 2018, 11:16:52 AM2/28/18
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On 2/28/2018 9:03 AM, rumpelstiltskin wrote:
> Another factor
> of course is bombs. At least we don't live in a
> country where mass-machete attacks are common,
> slicing off people's arms and leaving them to die
> slowly because that's a more efficient way of killing
> a lot of people.
>
Like they do in Londonistan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiQusAZ4jps

A British soldier was savagely killed in an attack in South London in an
attack that may have been the work of terrorists. CBS News' Charlie
D'Agata reports.


islander

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Feb 28, 2018, 11:52:41 AM2/28/18
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Despite the efforts on the part of the NRA to hide data on use of
firearms, there are several organizations that collect data on mass
shootings, typically using the FBI convention of 4 or more fatalities.
http://shootingtracker.com/wiki/Main_Page
http://everytown.org/article/schoolshootings/
http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data/

If you look at the data, it is hard to ignore the fact that mass
shootings have been on the increase since the 1994 ban on assault
weapons and related weapon controls was allowed to lapse by the GW Bush
administration and a Republican Congress in 2004.

Over the years, mass shootings were relatively low over the period 2000
through 2006, but have increased dramatically since 2014. If you run a
linear regression analysis over the period 1994 through 2018, there is
an increase of 3.3 fatalities per year over the whole period. If you
run the same analysis over the period 2004 through 2018, that number
increases to over 6 fatalities per year. If you run the same analysis
over the period 2014 through 2018, that number increases to 29
fatalities per year. Clearly the number of fatalities per year is
increasing and is increasing pretty dramatically.

Now this data includes all mass shootings, but if you look at the data,
the weapon of choice that does the most damage is the AR-15.

Remington, the manufacturer of what it euphemistically calls a "modern
sporting rifle" reports in their 2015 annual report that sales are up
28%.
https://www.remingtonoutdoorcompany.com/sites/default/files/ROC%202015%2010-K%20Annual%20Report.pdf

More recently the industry is reporting that the market may be
saturated. Have they sold so many of these guns that even the gun
enthusiasts who want these guns have gotten all that they want?
Probably not. Every time there is some possibility that the 1994 ban
might be reinstated, sales go up.

Why do we need these guns? They are only good for one thing - killing
people. Who wants that? Are their rights to own these weapons more
important than the lives of the innocents who are being killed?

It is unlikely that the Republican Congress will reinstate the 1994
assault weapon ban or even ban the sale of the AR-15. But, the number
of weapons already in circulation would have little near term influence
in reducing the number of mass shootings. If there was any rationality
about this, we would institute a program similar to Australia's where
they not only banned the sale of these weapons, but also implemented a
buy-back program. We could do the same in this country. It would cost
a few billion $, but what is the alternative? Hell, there are a few
billionaires who profited by more than this in the recent Republican tax
cut!


islander

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Feb 28, 2018, 11:56:51 AM2/28/18
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The assault weapons ban was allowed to expire in 2004 under the GW Bush
administration and a Republican Congress.

the inconvenient truth

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Feb 28, 2018, 12:43:57 PM2/28/18
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On 2/28/2018 9:51 AM, islander wrote:
> Why do we need these guns?  They are only good for one thing - killing
> people.


Will you defend the Constitution with a squirt gun, traitor?

Die real soon, you filthy fucking asshole.

the inconvenient truth

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Feb 28, 2018, 12:44:46 PM2/28/18
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On 2/28/2018 9:56 AM, islander wrote:
> The assault weapons ban was allowed to expire in 2004 under the GW Bush
> administration and a Republican Congress.

Ooo rah!

rumpelstiltskin

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Feb 28, 2018, 12:51:11 PM2/28/18
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On Wed, 28 Feb 2018 08:51:54 -0800, islander <no...@priracy.com> wrote:

>On 2/28/2018 5:13 AM, wolfbat359 wrote:
>> On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 2:19:22 AM UTC-7, mg wrote:
>>> On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 18:16:43 -0800 (PST), wolfbat359
>>> <wolfb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/28377865_1956087087817669_5770708696529540260_n.jpg?oh=179d7a4636cb76242ce18f314990e6b6&oe=5B0EA96B
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Did mass shootings increase 200 percent since assault weapons ban
>>> expired?
>>>
>>> Politifact has rated this claim "mostly false".
>>> http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2018/feb/23/ted-deutch/did-mass-shootings-increase-200-percent-assault-we/
>>
>> Well that is what she said!
>>
>Despite the efforts on the part of the NRA to hide data on use of
>firearms, there are several organizations that collect data on mass
>shootings, typically using the FBI convention of 4 or more fatalities.
>http://shootingtracker.com/wiki/Main_Page
>http://everytown.org/article/schoolshootings/
>http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/
>https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data/



That sure is a lot of gun mass violence. Pretty
soon that Nazi in Norway who murdered all those
kids is going to get jealous. I hope they never
let him out of jail - they'd be crazy if they did.

mg

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Feb 28, 2018, 1:17:21 PM2/28/18
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"Cocooning" has become a trend in modern-day, American culture, I
think, as it becomes not only more dangerous for people to leave their
homes, but less pleasant to leave one's home. The phenomenon of rude
waiters, people urinating and defecating in the street, to
over-crowded highways, to terrorists and mass shooters killing people,
etc., is the sort of thing that I sometimes talk about when I complain
about the decline in the quality of life in America. I chalk up part
of the problem to overpopulation and part of it to our recent
enthusiasm for multiculturalism and mass immigration and part of it to
our inability and unwillingness to strictly enforce the laws because
of differences in ideology and our growing tolerance for violence.

With the specific issue of guns, though, and mass shootings in
schools, I think that there are two different types of people. There
are people who are willing to look at a variety of solutions, or
multiple solutions, in order to prevent, or minimize, future deaths of
school children, and there are the extremist who are willing to let
the children continue to die unless, and until, there preferred
solution is implemented.







rumpelstiltskin

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Feb 28, 2018, 2:12:12 PM2/28/18
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There is no solution to people who are driven to murdering
as many people as they can. It's just a phenomenon of
modern culture, specifically modern gun worship IMV.

I'm cocooned lately not so much because of the heart
valve problem and surgery, but because of anemia which
was the real problem all along, I now think. I had an
infusion a few of weeks ago, and it seems to be holding
up well. The reason for the anemia is still unknown,
despite my having several tubes of blood drawn once or
twice (or even thrice) a week for five months, and several
X-rays and MRI's. My GP wants me to get a colonoscopy,
but that's just another shot in the dark so I'm putting it
off for a while because I'm so sick and tired of bouncing
back and forth to the hospital one to three times a week
for so long, at the cost to me of 90 minutes or two hours
of travel time and waiting time, in addition to the 15
minutes or half hour actually having a chit-chat or
something done at the hospital. I have a GP visit and
yet another X-ray scheduled for March 6, which I
managed to get scheduled for the same day so that I'll
only have to make one excursion back and forth to the
hospital that day. After that's done, I'll take another
break from the hospital for at least another week,
before thinking about the colonoscopy.

I guess I won't go out far today, since although it's
nice (but cold) outside right now, we're supposed to be
getting a major rainstorm later in the day.

No matter how many weighings and blood pressure
checks I've had over the preceding week, the first thing
they always do when I'm at the hospital is check my
weight and blood pressure again. My blood pressure
always used to be high, but it's been normal for about
the last six months, although I was physically in terrible
shape at the beginning of that period. There's no
reason for the better blood pressure, since I haven't
changed my eating habits, and I'm "exercising" even
less. It's 11:11 right now and I'm still in my bathrobe.





Red Nolan

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Feb 28, 2018, 2:59:39 PM2/28/18
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On 2/28/2018 11:17 AM, mg wrote:
> and there are the extremist who are willing to let
> the children continue to die unless, and until, there preferred
> solution is implemented.
>
>
>
Right, the gun confiscating and banning DemoTards.

Understand they will never address the real rot that causes this:

~ broken families with no father

~ endless mass media violence and indoctrination

~ over-precsription of Ritalin

~ and some other nasty pharmaceuticals...

mg

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Feb 28, 2018, 3:33:05 PM2/28/18
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Man, that really sucks having to do all that running around to doctors
offices, etc. When I had my heart problem, at least I was lucky in
having one of my daughters happily run me back and forth in her car,
all over the place.

My blood pressure dropped from about 140 to about the 120 range after
I had my heart valve replaced, by the way. So, the same thing might
have happened with you.


rumpelstiltskin

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Feb 28, 2018, 6:24:10 PM2/28/18
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I drove too sometimes, but it takes about as long as taking the
bus, so more often I took the bus. Sometimes they won't let
you leave the hospital without somebody coming to pick you up.
My son did that a couple of times, and Laine downstairs did it
once. My son isn't here now, and I hate to ask Laine to do it
again, especially since she's a tax accountant and this is tax
season. Her partner Sarah, whom I've actually known longer,
would be very willing to pick me up too. That's the most
fretful aspect of the colonoscopy for me, since I really hate to
impose on people, except my son - I impose on him all the
time, and he often does things without my asking. After he
left, I noticed two slices of wood on the floor, brown on one
side and white on the other. I couldn't figure out where they
were from. Then I realized that my back door, which had
been a bit tricky to close, now closed easily. I looked and
saw that a long wedge had been shaved off the outside
bottom. However that back door is white on one side and
BLUE on the other, so I still don't know where those two
loose wedges came from. It will be a little mystery that
I'll eventually run into the answer for, I guess, unless I
think to ask my son in an email or phone call. He's a great
handyman, whereas I'm a complete dumbass about such
things. He replaced my bathroom plumbing while he was
here, and when my car handbrake jammed, he fooled
around with it with great force and violence until it
unjammed. I'd have been phoning a garage to help poor
little me. The only other time the handbrake jammed,
years ago, he'd been around at the time then too,
fortunately. I've finally learnt, I hope, not to pull the
handbrake all the way up: to partly rely on the kerb to
keep the car from rolling away if it's on a hill. (It usually
is on a hill, because San Francisco is mostly hill.)



>
>My blood pressure dropped from about 140 to about the 120 range after
>I had my heart valve replaced, by the way. So, the same thing might
>have happened with you.
>

Could be. I thought the blood pressure had dropped
before the heart valve replacement, but I could easily
be misremembering.

I'm about 120 over 68 now. My systolic always
used to be 140 or more.

bill bowden

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Feb 28, 2018, 11:42:12 PM2/28/18
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On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 8:52:41 AM UTC-8, islander wrote:
> On 2/28/2018 5:13 AM, wolfbat359 wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 2:19:22 AM UTC-7, mg wrote:
> >> On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 18:16:43 -0800 (PST), wolfbat359
The market must be saturated. Smith and Wesson stock (SWHC)has plummeted from $29.72 in August 2016 to $9 today, a loss of about 70%.



islander

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Mar 1, 2018, 12:27:12 AM3/1/18
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Or nervous investors have noticed that Dick's Sporting Goods has decided
to no longer carry weapons and accessories that they consider are too
dangerous and both Dick's and Walmart have decided to raise the age to
purchase of any gun to 21. In the absence of government action, it
appears that the private sector is stepping up. Not good news for gun
manufacturers.



me

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Mar 1, 2018, 10:16:16 AM3/1/18
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Yes, but will you respect the market if customers buy guns from other competing businesses? I doubt it. You only respect freedom for your values. Those market values you disagree with would be banned.

mg

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Mar 1, 2018, 7:19:41 PM3/1/18
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When I had my gull bladder out, about 5 years ago, I had already
bothered one cousin, 1 friend, and my daughter unnecessarily running
back and forth to doctors. So, after my scheduled surgery, I planned
on just calling a taxi to get home in. My daughter happened to find
out about it and told me I couldn't do that. I had to set her straight
and explain to her that I was free, white, and 21, so I could do
anything I wanted.

That was before I found out that one has to have someone sign on the
dotted line to get someone else out of the hospital. If my daughter
hadn't have picked me up that day, I probably would have been like
Charlie on the M.T.A. and I would have probably still been in that
hospital to this day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7Jw_v3F_Q0
>
>
>After he
>left, I noticed two slices of wood on the floor, brown on one
>side and white on the other. I couldn't figure out where they
>were from. Then I realized that my back door, which had
>been a bit tricky to close, now closed easily. I looked and
>saw that a long wedge had been shaved off the outside
>bottom. However that back door is white on one side and
>BLUE on the other, so I still don't know where those two
>loose wedges came from. It will be a little mystery that
>I'll eventually run into the answer for, I guess, unless I
>think to ask my son in an email or phone call. He's a great
>handyman, whereas I'm a complete dumbass about such
>things. He replaced my bathroom plumbing while he was
>here, and when my car handbrake jammed, he fooled
>around with it with great force and violence until it
>unjammed. I'd have been phoning a garage to help poor
>little me. The only other time the handbrake jammed,
>years ago, he'd been around at the time then too,
>fortunately. I've finally learnt, I hope, not to pull the
>handbrake all the way up: to partly rely on the kerb to
>keep the car from rolling away if it's on a hill. (It usually
>is on a hill, because San Francisco is mostly hill.)
>
>
In the old days, with the expense of raising kids and supporting a
wife, men like me just naturally became good handymen and car
mechanics out of necessity. Now days, however, I think everyone's wife
works and when they have problems, they just call someone to fix them
and then they put it on their credit card.

bill bowden

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Mar 1, 2018, 10:44:02 PM3/1/18
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Apparently, there's some discussion about public employee unions divesting their positions in gun makers. Kind of late to sell now since the stocks are probably near the bottom.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-22/teacher-retirement-funds-in-12-states-hold-gun-company-stocks


"Pension funds managed for public school teachers in at least a dozen U.S. states, including New York and California, own stocks issued by the makers of firearms. Some states such as Florida own shares of American Outdoor Brands Corp., the company previously known as Smith & Wesson that manufactured the semiautomatic AR-15 used in the attack at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. The type of assault rifle has been the weapon of choice in America’s mass shootings."



islander

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Mar 2, 2018, 11:42:58 AM3/2/18
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These funds typically do not try to time the market.

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