they always lie
Cajun
Why shouldn't they take it back Every member of the UN, except the U.S. &
Israel, has condemned Zionism as racism.
CajunŠ
"Arthur Wouk" <aw...@syzygy.nilenet.com> wrote in message
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> for those of you who believe the arab propaganda which is regularly
> spouted in this newsgroup, here is a good one. while the arabs are
> busy denying that there is anyone but us chickens in the chickencoop,
> someone spills the beans.
>
> Captain backs Israel weapons claim
> By Karin Laub
>
> Jan. 7, 2002 |
>
> JERUSALEM (AP) -- The Palestinian captain of a ship seized by Israel
> with 50 tons of offensive weapons on board said in jailhouse
> interviews Monday that the shipment was intended for the Palestinians
> and that he got his smuggling instructions from a Palestinian
> Authority official.
>
> Israel has accused Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat of ordering and
> financing the weapons shipment, a charge denied by the Palestinian
> Authority.
>
> The argument over the shipment overshadowed a four-day truce mission
> by U.S. envoy Anthony Zinni, who flew home Monday.
>
> Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon branded Arafat a "liar" and
> "bitter enemy" over the affair and said his Cabinet would convene soon
> for a fundamental review of Israel's relationship with the Palestinian
> Authority.
>
> Despite the rising tensions, Zinni on Sunday chaired a meeting of
> Israeli and Palestinian security officials who agreed to keep working
> toward a truce. Zinni gave both sides some "homework" to be completed
> before his expected return Jan. 18, participants said. Israel is to
> further ease restrictions on Palestinians, while the Palestinians are
> required to arrest more militants and dismantle terror groups.
>
> In Zinni's absence, security meetings are to continue, Palestinian
> officials said.
>
> "It is clear that while serious challenges remain, there are real
> opportunities for progress," the U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv said in a
> statement.
>
> On Monday, the European Union's foreign policy chief, Javier Solana,
> held talks with Israeli and Palestinian leaders to keep the momentum
> toward a cease-fire going.
>
> Israeli Defense Minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer told Solana that the
> weapons, seized by Israel last week aboard a cargo ship in the Red
> Sea, had been bought by the Palestinians after the Sept. 11 terror
> attacks on the United States, at a time when Arafat was publicly
> distancing himself from militant groups.
>
> Aboard the vessel, the Karine A., were 50 tons of rockets, anti-tank
> missiles and mortars, most of them made in Iran. The captain, Omar
> Akawi, and a crew of 12 were captured by Israeli commandos.
>
> Akawi, 44, said in jailhouse interviews Monday that he was an adviser
> for naval affairs in the Palestinian Authority's Transport Ministry.
>
> Akawi, who described himself as a member of Arafat's Fatah movement
> since 1976, said the smuggling operation was overseen by a Palestinian
> Authority official he identified as Adel Awadallah.
>
> Asked whether Arafat knew about the operation, Akawi shrugged his
> shoulders. "I know that they (the weapons) have to go to Palestine,"
> the captain told Fox News Channel. "This is for the Palestinians."
>
> Akawi said that after Arafat's renewed call for a truce with Israel on
> Dec. 16, he expected his handlers to abort the mission. "That's when I
> was midway. I expected to receive an order to stop it," Akawi said.
> However, the captain said he was told by Awadallah to proceed.
>
> In a statement Sunday, the Palestinian leadership said it "condemns
> this operation and condemns the Israeli attempt to accuse the
> Palestinian Authority of being involved in this."
>
> Israel appeared to be sending conflicting messages. While Israeli
> security officials met with their Palestinian counterparts, Sharon
> branded the Palestinian Authority a "major player in the network of
> international terrorism."
>
> "When Arafat gave the instruction to purchase the firearms discovered
> on the ship, he made a strategic choice -- to bring about regional
> deterioration which would lead to war," Sharon said Sunday at a naval
> base in the Israeli Red Sea port of Eilat where weapons were being
> displayed.
>
> Last month, Israel declared Arafat "irrelevant," but agreed to keep
> working on a truce with Arafat's government, apparently in order not
> to anger the United States.
> Associated Press
>
> --
> They say when you play that Microsoft CD backward you can hear
> satanic messages....but that's nothing. If you play it forward
> it will install Windows. -Anon
> to email me, delete syzygy. from my return address
Ronald Lawrence
Arthur writes:
"for those of you who believe the arab propaganda which is regularly
spouted in this newsgroup, here is a good one. "
I try to remain neutral on this subject but it isn't always easy. The
propaganda and lies come from both sides.
I am generally sympathetic to the Israeli position because I have lived in
the middle east and seen it all for myself but I do not always agree with
the Israelis tactics and policies. It would be far easier for me to support
Israel if it took the moral high ground more often rather than retaliation
and revenge - and I don't mean more settlements when I say take the high
ground. Most of the Palestinians want peace but the radicals amongst them
won't quit until Israel is no more.
Israel will survive - the Jews around the world will see to that but I can't
envisage peace within the foreseeable future. The war on terrorism may
change my lack of optimism - it all depends on how far it is taken.
Warm Regards,
Ron Lawrence, Canberra, ACT, Australia
James Chamblee
about spying on their greatest ally, the U.S.
The Israelis enjoy a constant stream of modern arms delivered to them by the
U.S. Government at greatly reduced prices or for free, transportation by air
included. The volume of such arms is hundreds of times greater than
anything that reaches the Palestinians.
We all know that the Israelis torture captives to extract confessions.
Amnesty International has cited the Israelis multiple times for torture of
prisoners. Who's to believe what a captured ship captain says to try to
save his life?
Cajun
Cajun©
"Ronald Lawrence" <win...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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James Chamblee
(arthur wouk) wrote:
>under the oslo agreement, none of the advanced weapons which are on
>the ship, and ar ein the hands of the pa, were supposed to come.
Israel has always pretended that the Oslo accords don't exist. For you now
to call on the Oslo accords in the defense of Israel is hypocritical.
CLScott101
here. Now, I expect it from Jim, who lives in a dream world, but not from some
others.
My hope is that the US will continue to support Israel, and fight terrorism
wherever it exists including in Palestine. I think that there are several
countries that will be affected including Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Palestine.
-Connie
Ronald Lawrence
Connie writes:
"I am truly surprised at some of the anti-Israeli sentiment I see expressed
here. "
Having subscribed to many NG's I am not surprised but I can never figure out
why. Why is there so much widespread hatred for the Jews? Why can't people
see that Israel has been and continues to be assaulted from all sides? Why
can't people see that there are two sides to this and every story? Why can't
people see that what happened to America on 9/11 is just the same as has
been happening to Israel for many many years? There is so much BS over this
issue that the walls reek with the odour. Extremists on both sides don't
want peace - the moderates do. At the moment, the extremists on both sides
are using terror tactics to get their point across and stall any peace
initiatives. The extremists have outside support on both sides - while this
continues there will be no peace. Kill the outside support on both sides
and peace might have a chance. Of course, while all this is going on the
various religious factions are always in there stirring the pot.
Arafat is a liar, a butcher and a thug - how the devil he won the Nobel
Peace Prize is beyond me. The present Israeli leader is not much better.
Taking US and allied support away from Israel won't solve the problem - not
if we want peace in the middle east. Any loss of US and allied support will
be more than made up from Jews in the rest of the world and they won't be
demanding Israeli restraint as we do now - they will demand uncompromising
action for their dollars - and that won't be pretty.
NimBill
What? Why should the USA support the only Democractic Nation in the Mid-East
and our only true ally? We have no reason except our only existence.
CLScott101
Interesting thought! It is good to have your opinion from outside the US of A.
Here, attitudes seem to have hardened with no thought to the consequences. We
object to terrorists harming US citizens, but not Israeli.
-Connie
Ronald Lawrence
Connie wrote:
"Interesting thought! It is good to have your opinion from outside the US
of A.
Here, attitudes seem to have hardened with no thought to the consequences.
We
object to terrorists harming US citizens, but not Israeli."
Thanks, I like to hear your thoughts too. There are many hidden and not so
hidden agendas at work in the middle east. Most people just scream OIL - but
that simplistic and only a very small part of it. If our industries ran on
sunlight the middle east would still be a festering sore.
Rumpelstiltskin
<win...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>G'day,
>
>Connie writes:
>
>"I am truly surprised at some of the anti-Israeli sentiment I see expressed
>here. "
I hope you're not accepting all accusations of anti-semitism
as well-founded! I've been accused of it myself, by Ward
Stewart and, almost, by Polar.
Rumpelstiltskin
>BTW, your friend Polar has been quite active in spreading her
>extreme leftist vitriol in "misc.consumers.frugal-living", of all
>places.
Excellent. The left-wing conspiracy is proceeding apace.
Glenn Pooler
>On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:52:32 GMT, Rumpelstiltskin
><PleaseDonot...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:52:31 GMT, bugaboo <bug...@rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:54:36 GMT, Rumpelstiltskin
>>><PleaseDonot...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:33:53 +1100, "Ronald Lawrence"
>>>><win...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>G'day,
>>>>>
>>>>>Connie writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>"I am truly surprised at some of the anti-Israeli sentiment I see expressed
>>>>>here. "
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I hope you're not accepting all accusations of anti-semitism
>>>>as well-founded! I've been accused of it myself, by Ward
>>>>Stewart and, almost, by Polar.
>>>
>>>BTW, your friend Polar has been quite active in spreading her
>>>extreme leftist vitriol in "misc.consumers.frugal-living", of all
>>>places.
>>
>>
>> Excellent. The left-wing conspiracy is proceeding apace.
>>
>
>I think your credibility challenged group leader, Chamblee,
>assigned her there as she wasn't really making any head
>way here and she was giving leftists a bad name.
>
>
>"There are several million Muslims in the United States,
>many of them citizens professing their love for and loyalty
>to this country. But I have yet to see a bumper sticker that
>says 'Allah Bless America'." --Lyn Nofziger
I'm sure everyone knows, but just in case, whether you call it
Allah, Jehovah, Yahweh, or just plain God, it all the same god.
Glenn....@att.net
Rochester Minnesota USA
Rumpelstiltskin
>I think your credibility challenged group leader, Chamblee,
>assigned her there as she wasn't really making any head
>way here and she was giving leftists a bad name.
Oh, he's doing just fine, tying up some of the more
rabid social conservatives here so others of our
conspiracy can proceed with their nefarious plans
elsewhere.