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Poppy - San Francisco Bay Area

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May 13, 2005, 10:21:35 AM5/13/05
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33 major U.S. bases would close under plan

By LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press Writer
Last Updated 7:00 am PDT Friday, May 13, 2005

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Pentagon will propose shutting 150 military
installations from Maine to Hawaii, including 33 major bases, The
Associated Press learned Friday, triggering the first round of base
closures in a decade and an intense struggle by communities to save
their facilities.

More than 100 other smaller facilities would be closed, including
scores of Reserve and National Guard installations. Defense Secretary
Donald H. Rumsfeld has said the move would save $48.8 billion over 20
years while reshaping the military for America's expected 21st century
adversaries.

Rumsfeld's plan calls for a massive shift of U.S. forces that would
result in a net loss of 29,005 military and civilian jobs at domestic
installations. Overall, he proposes pulling 218,570 military and
civilian positions out of some U.S. bases while adding 189,565
positions to others, according to documents obtained by The AP.

The closures and downsizings would occur over six years starting in
2006. "Our current arrangements, designed for the Cold War, must give
way to the new demands of the war against extremism and other evolving
21st Century challenges," Rumsfeld said in a news release obtained by
the AP.

Before closures or downsizings can take effect, the Defense
Department's proposal must be approved or changed by a federal base
closing commission, and then agreed to by Congress and President Bush,
in a process that will run into the fall. In four previous rounds of
closures starting in 1988, commissions have accepted 85 percent of
bases the Pentagon recommended for closure or consolidation.

Among the major closures Rumsfeld seeks is Ellsworth Air Force Base in
South Dakota, home to 29 B-1B bombers, half the nation's fleet of the
aircraft, and the state's second largest employer. That would deal a
potential political setback to Republican freshman Sen. John Thune, who
had claimed he could protect the base if elected during his campaign to
defeat former Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle.

Rumsfeld also recommended closing the Naval Station in Pascagoula,
Miss., which barely survived previous base closure rounds. The decision
was a blow to Sen. Trent Lott, R-Miss., who had fought the 1995 round
of closures. At stake are 844 military jobs and 112 civilian jobs.

Maverick

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May 13, 2005, 11:16:09 AM5/13/05
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"Poppy - San Francisco Bay Area" <GoldenSt...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Politics, politics, politics. Get rich quick. Bet money that Lott and Thune
will be able to wage a fierce battle and ultimately save their bases. You'll
win big.

I'm just happy that we are pulling 70,000 troops and support systems out of
Germany and France and listeneing to them start squelling like the
Philippines are now doing will be icing on the cake. Those countries losing
200 billion dollars is probably going to hurt. Good.


--
"And once activist judges find themselves freed from the constraints imposed
by the Constitution, there will be no practicable limit to the Court's
reach."
--- Robert Yates September 17, 1787

Maverick
http://www.thelibertycommittee.org/


Poppy - San Francisco Bay Area

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May 13, 2005, 2:28:08 PM5/13/05
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The list is out now both of locations that will lose bases and
personnel and those that will gain. Travis in Fairfield is not
mentioned. In fact California took many fewer hits this time than in
previous base closings.

I will be interested in how it affects other communities.

Poppy - San Francisco Bay Area

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May 13, 2005, 2:32:56 PM5/13/05
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List of U.S. Bases Recommended for Gains

A list obtained by The Associated Press of military facilities the
Defense Department recommended for gains on Friday:

Alabama:

Anniston Army Depot Dannelly Field Air Guard Station
Fort Rucker
Redstone Arsenal


Arizona:

Marine Corps Air Station, Yuma
Phoenix Sky Harbor I

Arkansas:

Little Rock Air Force Base

California:

Air Force Reserve Center Moffett Field
Channel Islands Air Guard Station
Edwards Air Force Base
Fort Hunter Liggett
Fresno Air Terminal
Marine Corps Base Miramar
Marine Corps Reserve Center, Pasadena
Naval Air Station Lemore
Naval Air Weapons Station China Lake
Naval Base Point Loma
Naval Station San Diego
Vandenburg Air Force Base


Colorado:

Buckley Air Force Base
Fort Carson
Peterson Air Force Base
Schriever Air Force Base

Delaware:

Dover Air Force Base

Florida:

Eglin Air Force Base
Homestead Air Reserve Station
Jacksonville International Airport Air Guard Station
MacDill Air Force Base
Naval Air Station, Jacksonville
Naval Station, Mayport

Georgia:

Dobbins Air Reserve Base
Fort Benning
Marine Corps Logistics Base, Albany
Moody Air Force Base
Robins Air Force Base
Savannah International Airport Air Guard Station
Submarine Base Kings Bay

Hawaii:

Naval Station Pearl Harbor

Illinois:

Greater Peoria Regional
Scott Air Force Base

Indiana:

Defense Finance and Accounting Service, Indianapolis
Fort Wayne International Airport Air Guard Station

Iowa:

Des Moines International Airport Air Guard Station
Sioux Gateway Airport Air Guard

Kansas:

Forbes Field Air Guard Station
Fort Leavenworth
Fort Riley
McConnell Air Force Base

Kentucky:

Louisville International Airport Air Guard Station

Louisiana:

Barksdale Air Force Base
Naval Air Station New Orleans

Maine:

Bangor International Airport Air Guard Station

Maryland:

Aberdeen Proving Ground
Andrews Air Force Base
Fort Detrick
Fort Meade
National Naval Medical Center, Bethesda
Naval Air Station Patuxent River
Naval Surface Weapons Station, Carderock

Massachusetts:

Barnes Municipal Airport Air Guard Station
Hanscom Air Force Base
Westover Air Force Base

Michigan:

Detroit Arsenal
Selfridge Air National Guard Base

Mississippi:

Columbus Air Force Base
Jackson International Airport Air Guard Station

Missouri:

Rosecrans Memorial Airport Air Guard Station
Whiteman Air Force Base

Nevada:

Nellis Air Force Base

New Hampshire:

Armed Forces Reserve Center Pease Air Force Base

New Jersey:

Atlantic City International Airport Air Guard Station
Fort Dix
McGuire Air Force Base
Picatinny Arsenal

New Mexico:

Kirtland Air Force Base

New York:

United States Military Academy

North Carolina:

Charlotte/Douglas International Airport
Fort Bragg

Ohio:

Armed Forces Reserve Center, Akron
Defense Supply Center, Columbus
Rickenbacker International Airport Air Guard Station
Toledo Express Airport Air Guard Station
Wright Patterson Air Force Base
Youngstown-Warren Regional Airport

Oklahoma:

Fort Sill
Tinker Air Force Base
Tulsa International Airport Air Guard Station
Vance Air Force Base

Pennsylvania:

Letterkenny Army Depot
Naval Support Activity, Philadelphia
Navy-Marine Corps Reserve Center, Lehigh
Navy-Marine Corps Reserve Center, Pittsburgh
Tobyhanna Army Depot

Rhode Island:

Naval Station, Newport
Quonset State Airport Air Guard Station

South Carolina:

Fort Jackson Marine Corps Air Station, Beaufort
McEntire Air Guard Station
Shaw Air Force Base

South Dakota:

Joe Foss Field Air Guard Station

05/13/05 10:31 EDT

Jerry Okamura

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May 13, 2005, 3:28:27 PM5/13/05
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Cannot wait to here from the Congress critters in the effected areas
suddenly becoming experts of the defense of this country, acting like
micromanagers...something they becry when others do it. And some of them
will be the same ones who complain year in and year out. about how the
defense department is "wasting money". Well, I do not have to wait, because
one of our Senators has already announced success in avoiding some closures
in our state.

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jim

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May 13, 2005, 4:20:30 PM5/13/05
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On 13 May 2005 11:28:08 -0700, "Poppy - San Francisco Bay Area"
<GoldenSt...@aol.com> wrote:

http://www.defenselink.mil/brac/pdf/Appendix_C_FinalUpdated.pdf

Message has been deleted

Poppy - San Francisco Bay Area

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May 13, 2005, 5:03:40 PM5/13/05
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I trust that everyone noticed that the above list are recommended for
gains, not losses.

Karl Pearson

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May 13, 2005, 5:06:53 PM5/13/05
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Poppy - San Francisco Bay Area <GoldenSt...@aol.com> wrote:
> List of U.S. Bases Recommended for Gains

> California:

> Edwards Air Force Base
> Fort Hunter Liggett

> Vandenburg Air Force Base

Maybe Hunter Liggett, but don't bet on it. Vandenburg: the launch site for
polar orbit satellites? Very unlikely I'd guess. Edwards - THE place for
test flighting???

> Colorado:

> Fort Carson
> Peterson Air Force Base

Questionable. Fort Carson is main mountain training site. Peterson (and
Kirtland in New Mexico) are the remaining satellite control facilities -
unlikely to both go away.

> Georgia:

> Fort Benning

No way!

> Hawaii:

> Naval Station Pearl Harbor
Ditto no way, unless this isn't the main installation supporting the
Pacific fleet.

> Indiana:

> Defense Finance and Accounting Service, Indianapolis

Guess that means we don't get our pensions paid anymore? <grin>

> Kansas:

> Fort Leavenworth
> Fort Riley

Wanna bet?

> Maryland:

> Andrews Air Force Base
> Fort Detrick
> Fort Meade

So where will the coffins get delivered? And the top politicos board their
planes?

Guess we plan on giving up on major intelligence activities, and
biological warfare?


> Nevada:

> Nellis Air Force Base
And Area 51? Oh, my - What will the space aliens do?

> New Mexico:

> Kirtland Air Force Base
The other satellite control facility

> New York:

> United States Military Academy

This was put in the list as a bit of humor, hey? By Navy folks . . .

> Oklahoma

> Fort Sill
No more artillery needed??


Thumper

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May 13, 2005, 5:49:08 PM5/13/05
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On 13 May 2005 13:51:29 -0700, "JC" <jcmu...@aol.com> wrote:

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>
>Was surprised to see the Submarine Base in Groton, Connecticut on the
>list particularly because of it's location at the entrance to Long
>Island Sound which is very important to the Homeland Security of NYC
>and the Southern New England area. Long Island sound was heavily
>patrolled during WWII because of the German UBoats in the area and
>because the Sound provides a direct, easy access to NYC.
>Aside from being a terrorist deterent, the base provides many civilian
>jobs as well. The Electric Boat Company, next to the base is the
>foremost builder of submarines in the US.

It was on the list in 1993 and is still there.
Thumper

Rumpelstiltskin

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May 14, 2005, 1:01:39 PM5/14/05
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On 13 May 2005 14:03:40 -0700, "Poppy - San Francisco Bay Area"
<GoldenSt...@aol.com> wrote:

>I trust that everyone noticed that the above list are recommended for
>gains, not losses.

There are more gains proposed for "blue states" than I would have
expected, though the clear majority is red states. I'm particularly
surprised at California, but maybe it's because we have a Republican
governor. That's what I said when he got in, that it might buy us
favour with the Republican federal government.

It would be nice to see a similar state-by-state list of states
scheduled for losses. Jerry provided some, but it doesn't look as
extensive as your list, and the paragraph format makes it not as
easy to make a quick assessment as does your tabular format.

jgro...@hotmail.com

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May 14, 2005, 5:30:24 PM5/14/05
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>From defenselink.mil/brac, the former
Confederate states TX, FL, GA are gaining
thousands of jobs.

JG

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