Blasphemy of the holy spirit
Christian Party
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Only Unforgivable Sin: Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit
Verily I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven to
the sons of men: but the blasphemy against the holy spirit shall not be
forgiven unto men,
But he that shall blaspheme against the holy spirit hath never forgiveness,
but is in danger of eternal damnation: Because they said, He hath an unclean
spirit.
Mar 3:28-30
If blasphemy against God and Jesus Christ "shall be forgiven", then what
could the Holy Spirit be that blasphemy against it is even worse? What's so
heinous that there's no way to be forgiven for it, even if you "sought it
carefully with tears", as Esau did?
The answer is SIMPLE:
Verily I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven to
the sons of men: but the blasphemy against the holy spirit shall not be
forgiven unto men,
But he that shall blaspheme against the holy spirit hath never forgiveness,
but is in danger of eternal damnation: Because you said I'm a mamzer.
A mamzer shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his
tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD
The only unforgivable sin, the only one which Christ said shall never be
forgiven, is blasphemy against Israelites who uphold, support, and follow
God's Laws prohibiting miscegenation and interracial marriages with the
people of the land.
He found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears
What was Esau's sin in the following Scripture?:
Heb 12:16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who
for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
Heb 12:17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the
blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he
sought it carefully with tears.
Certainly it cannot be blasphemy against God or Jesus Christ, because this
verse promises that such blasphemy "shall be forgiven". The following
translation of Mark 3:29-30 from the AST (Anointed Standard Translation)
version from : HBPH, P.O. Box 130, Kodak, TN 57764-0130, provides an
excellent lead to answering the question:
But whoever commits blasphemy against the Mentality of Separation does not
have forgivness to eternity, but is liable to eternal judgment." This
because they said, "He has a mongreled mentality." Mark 3:29-30 AST
Compare this to the KJV translation to see where the words and thoughts and
concepts differ from judeochristian teachings:
But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness,
but is in danger of eternal damnation: Because they said, He hath an unclean
spirit.
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CALLING CHRIST A JEW IS BLASPHEMY OF THE HOLY SPIRIT
Christ stated that jews were mongrels, or descendants of miscegenation, and
they replied that "We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even
God". In this context, "fornication" can only mean "miscegenation", which
means that Christ claimed that these jews were mongrels and that their reply
was actually:
"We be not born of miscegenation; we have one ancestry, God [of Abraham]".
If jews are mongrels, then calling Christ a jew is the worst blasphemy of
the holy spirit on Earth.
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RUACH KODESH = MENTALITY OF SEPARATION
The Hebrew term "ruach kodesh" was translated to the Greek term "hagios
pneuma", which was then translated to the English term "Holy Spirit", which
was then presumed by judeochristians to mean "Holy Ghost", so that the
original prohibition against blasphemy of the mentality of separation, or
against mixing with the people of the land, was obscured. By going back to
the original sense of these Hebrew words we can see that the AST translation
provides us with the most correct and accurate and complete understanding of
what was the only unforgivable sin: the mere speaking out against God's
people who oppose race mixing, miscegenation, and pollution of the Holy
Seed, the line of Jacob Israel.
Where the judeochristian belief that the Hebrew words "ruach qodesh" should
be interpreted to mean "Holy Spirit" or "Holy Ghost", this translation uses
"Mentality of Separation", and where "unclean spirit" is the judeochristian
belief, this translation uses "mongreled mentality". This view would
suggest that merely speaking out against or criticizing the mentality of
separation of the Israelites from all other people of the land is the only
unforgivable sin, and that only those who have an anti-Israelite [read:
racist] attitude about God's Law and the right of Israelites to be set apart
would even dare to commit this unforgivable sin. Such a view is consistent
with numerous references in the Old Testament to the great lengths that the
Israelites went to to protect, propagate, and preserve the holy seed.
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ISRAELITES ARE GOD'S HOLY [READ: SET APART] PEOPLE
It's correct in the above Scripture that the Holy Spirit will teach you what
to say before the authorities, but it's a great leap of faith to believe
those who claim that failing to be guided by the Holy Spirit is the only
blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Such a breach doesn't even rise to the
level of blasphemy against God or Jesus Christ, so why would such a thing be
so bad that it's not even to be forgiven? Can we really believe that the
only thing that we can't be forgiven for is speaking our own mind before
authorities rather than waiting for some voice in our head to tell us what
to say?
Both references above to the Holy Spirit are clearly examples of Israelite
Pride, the mentality of separation, or the racial pride of Israelites and
their desire to protect the holy seed.
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel
of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with
that Holy Spirit of promise, Eph 1:13
What is the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation? Go not into the
way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But
go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Don't blasphemy the
mentality of separation so that the House of Israel shall have eternal
salvation. Don't mix with the people of the lands.
Remember that the LORD thy God considers Israelites, all descendants of
Jacob, to be a holy, set apart, special, separate, peculiar, chosen people;
a royal priesthood, high above all nations, a holy nation, redeemed of the
LORD, called, sought out, and a city not forsaken.
a.. For they have taken of their daughters for themselves, and for their
sons: so that the holy seed have mingled themselves with the people of those
lands: yea, the hand of the princes and rulers hath been chief in this
trespass.Ezra 9:2
b.. And the seed of Israel separated themselves from all foreigners, and
stood and confessed their sins, and the iniquities of their fathers.
Nehemiah 9:2
c.. and when Jehovah thy God shall deliver them up before thee, and thou
shalt smite them; then thou shalt utterly destroy them: thou shalt make no
covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them; Deuteronomy 7:2
d.. For the day of the LORD is near upon all the nations. As you have
done, it shall be done to you, your deeds shall return on your own head. Oba
1:15
e.. And a mamzer [race] shall dwell in Ashdod, and I will cut off the
pride of the Philistines; Zec 9:6
f.. A mamzer shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to
his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD,
Deuteronomy 23:2
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John Knight
Doc Smartass
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> http://members.fortunecity.com/zz8/holyspirit.htm
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> Only Unforgivable Sin: Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit
Let's get it out of the way, then. Fuck your god, and you as well.
As for going to hell, I'll bring the beer. Have your requests for brands
and such put into my urn so I can have it ready.
Someone else will have to handle chips--but thankfully, we've already got
troll dip.
--
Dr. Smartass
BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
"When you're slapped, you'll take it and like it!" -- Sam Spade
*nemo*
"Christian Party" <christi...@cox.net> wrote:
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> http://members.fortunecity.com/zz8/holyspirit.htm
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> Only Unforgivable Sin: Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit
Like us atheists give a shit. Fuck the sky spook and the horse it rode
in on.
--
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raven1
<christi...@cox.net> wrote:
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>http://members.fortunecity.com/zz8/holyspirit.htm
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>Only Unforgivable Sin: Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit
From the website:
"What are the synonyms for holy spirit? Mentality of separation,
spirit of uniqueness, Esprit de Corps, separatist attitude, racist
attitude, racial pride, pride for the seed of Jacob, pride in racial
purity, spirit of racial integrity."
Fuck off and die, racist scum.
Douglas Berry
called by some "Christian Party" <christi...@cox.net> came forth
and told this tale in alt.atheism
>Only Unforgivable Sin: Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit
Go the fuck away. You and your delusions are cordially invited to go
have an orgy together.
You are not welcome in alt.atheism.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
Blast Femur
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> http://members.fortunecity.com/zz8/holyspirit.htm
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> Only Unforgivable Sin: Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit
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>
> Verily I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be
> forgiven to the sons of men: but the blasphemy against the holy spirit
> shall not be forgiven unto men,
>
> But he that shall blaspheme against the holy spirit hath never
> forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: Because they said,
> He hath an unclean spirit.
>
> Mar 3:28-30
>
> If blasphemy against God and Jesus Christ "shall be forgiven", then
> what could the Holy Spirit be that blasphemy against it is even worse?
> What's so heinous that there's no way to be forgiven for it, even if
> you "sought it carefully with tears", as Esau did?
>
> The answer is SIMPLE:
>
Yup. Your gods have an ego problem.
--
Blast Femur
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"We look at the ancient Greeks with their gods on a mountain top throwing
lightning bolts and say, 'Those ancient Greeks. They were so silly. So
primitive and naive. Not like our religions. We have burning bushes
talking to people and guys walking on water. We're ...sophisticated.'"
-Paul Provenza
Al Klein
<christi...@cox.net> posted in alt.atheism:
>Christ stated that jews were mongrels, or descendants of miscegenation, and
>they replied that "We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even
>God". In this context, "fornication" can only mean "miscegenation", which
>means that Christ claimed that these jews were mongrels and that their reply
>was actually:
>
> "We be not born of miscegenation; we have one ancestry, God [of Abraham]".
>
>If jews are mongrels, then calling Christ a jew is the worst blasphemy of
>the holy spirit on Earth.
Those who don't understand the bible are condemned to misinterpret it.
>Remember that the LORD thy God considers Israelites, all descendants of
>Jacob
Since many Israelites aren't descendants of Jacob, your god is an
idiot.
--
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid
consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and
ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who
works on the basis of reward and punishment. "
- Letter to M. Berkowitz, October 25, 1950; Einstein Archive 59-215
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
Gray Shockley
(in message <Rxxtb.949$vJ6.924@fed1read05>):
> e.. And a mamzer [race] shall dwell in Ashdod, and I will cut off the
> pride of the Philistines; Zec 9:6
_Oxford Englisg Dictionary:
mamser
[a. late L. mamze<nfmac>r, a Heb. word (mamze<nfmac>r) adopted by the Vulgate
in Deut. xxiii. 2 (where it appears with the gloss <oq>id est de scorto
natus<cq>), and hence frequently used in the Middle Ages.]
A bastard.
Also in extended uses as a term of abuse or familiarity.
1562 Winzet Cert. Tractates Wks. 1888 I. 43 Thair suld nocht be sa
mony..scabbit Moabites, Amonites, and sclanderous Mamzeres..maid preistis.
1612 Bp. Hall Serm. v. 60 Whatever become of these Mamzers, which do thus
exclude themselves from the congregation of God [etc.].
1865 Kingsley Herew. II. iv. 73 The only power that is, whom I see in
England..is William the Mamzer.
1955 H. Kurnitz Let. Dec. in G. Marx Groucho Lett. (1967) 250 When the
momzerim in the aisle seats have finished clubbing me I will come to
California.
1960 Wentworth & Flexner Dict. Amer. Slang 342/1 Momzer, momser, one who
borrows frequently, or who expects much attention and many favors; a
sponger... Any disliked person; a bastard.
1963 <oq>R. L. Pike<cq> Mute Witness (1965) ii. 23 Johnny Rossi? The
west-coast hood?.. And we<cq>re keeping momsers like that alive, now?
1964 W. Markfield To Early Grave (1965) iv. 86 That mass man, that
totalitarian type, that momza.
1968 L. Rosten Joys of Yiddish 254 Momzer..is often used to describe a very
bright child, a clever or ingenious person, a resourceful, gets-things-done,
corner-cutting type.
1970 L. M. Feinsilver Taste of Yiddish 47 A Mamzer..(a bastard, a thief;
hence a dirty crook).
1972 Guardian 10 Oct. 4/2 The problem of Mamzerim, the Jewish bastard
outcasts.
1973 Jewish Chron. 19 Jan. 1/4 Hanoch and Miriam Langer are a brother and
sister declared by a rabbinical court in Petach Tikva more than seven years
ago to be
mamzerim (children of an adulterous union).
Ibid. 2 Feb. 23/4 The husband could not be given permission to remarry in an
Orthodox synagogue, so he married in a Reform synagogue. Incidentally, any
child from this marriage is not a
mamzer.me from this race, eh, JohnnieBoy?
Is it this racial silliness that gives you your moments of inspiration such
as people who are drinking alcohol are better drivers than people who are
totally sober?
Is it this racial silliness that gives you your moments of inspiration such
as the cancellation of government sponsored prayers caused an increase in
crimes of all sorts and types as well as, also, more auto accidents?
I, somehow, have this vision of you as a drunk praying with his/its eyes
closed while he/it is driving.
So, tell me, JohnnieBoy: is there an express bus just for you from Alhambra
to Vacaville?
Incidentally, your website says a coupole things about you. One that one of
your old infamous links <http://christianparty.net/God.htm>
no longer exists and another at your (supposed) homepage at
<http://christianparty.net/>
has exceeded your "free" limit of 20 mb.
You need to recycle some of those beer cans, JohnnieBoy 24-pack.
Gray Shockley
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Hm,m,m - fathersmanifesto.com doesn't seem to work any more also.
That's three things that don't work.
Nakas
I agree. Blasphemy against the holy sprit is just wrong. As is blasphemy
against the holy tonic, the holy beer, and the holy wine. Alcohol is
sacred.
"Christian Party" <christi...@cox.net> wrote in message
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William Klee
<christi...@cox.net> wrote:
> http://members.fortunecity.com/zz8/holyspirit.htm
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> Only Unforgivable Sin: Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit
OK, johnie-boy, let's cut to the chase: fuck you, fuck your god, fuck
your god's illegitmate son, fuck the woman your god raped to father
that son, and fuck the holy spook up it's non-existant ass with a
shit-dipped baseball bat wrapped in rusty barbed wire. Strong message
to follow.
c dumont
you are put in jail for refusing to accept the antichrist when he comes,
this law only applies to the Saints who know the difference between the real
Christ and the false one. Since you do not know the truth you don't have to
worry about it. God bless
"Christian Party" <christi...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Bob LeChevalier
>On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 14:09:13 -0800, "Christian Party"
><christi...@cox.net> wrote:
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>>http://members.fortunecity.com/zz8/
The nincompoop manifesto website rises again, until the next ISP pulls
its plug for copyright violation and other violation of terms of
service.
http://www.geocities.com/fathersfiasco/
is a useful summary of the real content of this site.
lojbab
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(Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.)
Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org
johac
"Christian Party" <christi...@cox.net> wrote:
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> Only Unforgivable Sin: Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit
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I piss on your holy spook! There. Happy?
--
John Hachmann, aa #1782
- Question authority. Now more than ever. -
Harry Leopold
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> Only Unforgivable Sin: Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit
snip
Great! Fuck your holey spook with the horse it rode in on. Now go away.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
"God hates figs."
bob young
c dumont wrote:
> The unforgiveable sin is to refuse the Holy Spirit to talk through you when
> you are put in jail for refusing to accept the antichrist when he comes,
> this law only applies to the Saints who know the difference between the real
> Christ and the false one. Since you do not know the truth you don't have to
> worry about it. God bless...
"...here have another joint"
bluskie
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> Only Unforgivable Sin: Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit
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>
Christopher A. Lee
<christi...@cox.net> wrote:
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>http://members.fortunecity.com/zz8/holyspirit.htm
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>Only Unforgivable Sin: Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit
The Holy Spirit is a figment of your deluded imagination. In the
unlikely event that it exists it can go fuck itself.
Was that clear enough for you?
Now we're unsaveable you have no reason to be here. So you can go fuck
yourself. You'd enjoy it better than being an ignorant asshiole anmong
your betters.
JTEM
"c dumont" <cdu...@telusplanet.net> wrote
> this law only applies to the Saints who know the difference
> between the real Christ and the false one.
This would be every single Christian on the planet, according to
every single Christian on the planet.
Yes, I know, each and every one of them is sure that all the other
self-described "Christians" will be fooled, unlike themselves.
raven1
wrote:
> The unforgiveable sin is to refuse the Holy Spirit to talk through you when
>you are put in jail for refusing to accept the antichrist when he comes,
>this law only applies to the Saints who know the difference between the real
>Christ and the false one.
What makes you think that *you* qualify, as opposed to, say,
99.9999999999% of the over 1 billion other Christians on the planet?
Sounds like a bit of hubris to me.
c dumont
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c dumont
"JTEM" <jay...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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to 5 months even the elects would be desceived, many so called Christians
are already desceived, they think Christ will come first and rapture them
away, but the Scriptures say Christ will come last.
Babylon is all the man made religions that spread confusion, they will be
desceived . God bless
>
Erica
"c dumont" <cdu...@telusplanet.net> wrote:
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> > For one thing i know what the unforgiveable sin is. God bless
>
>
Crossposting?
--
My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.
Bob Crowley
As a Christian who was once an atheist (and hold the usual reply that
we all claim that), and who swore at God, and still gets angry at Him
sometimes, to the point of arguing with Him, I sometimes wonder what
the term means, "Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit". If it means simply
swearing at God in the form of the Holy Spirit, then a few of the
above letter writers have already written themselves off, and are
already doomed. So would be a lot of Christians, especially those who
have suffered grieviously in some way, and taken it out on God, who
claims to be in control of all circumstances. When someone earnestly
believes God is supposed to be a "Loving FAther" and then kills off a
couple of children in the family, the alleged "Love" comes in for a
bit of angry questioning.
I don't think simply swearing at God is what it means. It is all very
well for people brought up as Christians from childhood to insist it
does, but they are then judging non-Christians and atheists, whom they
have been told not to judge.
Let us take a look at the context first.
In the case of the Pharisees, they were face to face with the
incarnate God in Jesus Christ, who had performed miracles in front of
them, who had raised the dead and healed the sick. He did these
things through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, since He made it
clear in His reply to the Pharisees that it was the Holy Spirit who
was performing the miracles through Him. So when Christ said to His
disciples the Father can do nothing without the Son, and the Son can
do nothing without the Father, He could have added that the Father and
the Son could not do anything without the Holy Spirit.
The Pharisees had therefore accused the Holy Spirit of being the
Devil, since they claimed Christ's powers were demonic. In addition
they were already plotting to kill (ie. murder) God Incarnate, which
is a far cry from the frustrated cry of a person who doubts God's
existence, partly in response to the many evil things they see
happening around them.
In short they had just witnessed a miracle of demonic deliverance, in
which a deaf and mute man had been healed. And accused Christ of
being in league with the devil. And as I said before, they were
already thinking of killing Him.
Murdering God is not a good way to win heavenly friends and influence
angels.
Even after they did murder Him, God then sent the Holy Spirit upon the
Apostles, so that they began to do the same sorts of things Christ
did, although to a lesser extent. Thus Christ's murder did not stop
the Holy Spirit from operating. Meanwhile the Pharisees went on
splitting hairs about combing their hair on the Sabbath, washing their
hands before eating, and glorying in being "chosen" (like some 'Elect'
Christians I can think of, so sure of their own election, and damned
proud of it, too, to the point of spiritual arrogance).
Now it is not a wise thing to swear at God anytime, but He prefers
bitterly cold enemies to lukewarm friends, as a passage to one of the
churches in Revelation makes clear. Bitterly cold enemies, if
converted, usually become strong friends. It is an axiom that there
is no disciple like a former enemy. Saint Paul is the outstanding
Biblical example.
I am still not sure what "Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit" means, but I
suspect that in the end it means rejecting FAther, Son and Holy
Spirit, at which point the end is clear.
On the other hadd, we don't see miracles in the same way as the crowds
did during Christ's personal ministry. And when atheists see
Christians accusing other Christians of "not knowing Christ", small
wonder they think Christians are bonkers. I well remember not long
after my own conversion, sitting in a Presbyterian church, hearing a
Protestant "Missionary" bad mouthing the Catholic Church, and
therefore Catholic Christians. I felt disgusted, and some years later
became a Catholic (not due to this incident I might add). At least the
Catholic Church demonstrates some visible unity.
Bob Crowley.
Christopher A. Lee
Crowley) wrote:
>Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote in message news:<5iqerv8he0ir5ng5v...@4ax.com>...
>> On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 14:09:13 -0800, "Christian Party"
>> <christi...@cox.net> wrote:
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>> >
>> >http://members.fortunecity.com/zz8/holyspirit.htm
>> >
>> >Only Unforgivable Sin: Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit
>>
>> The Holy Spirit is a figment of your deluded imagination. In the
>> unlikely event that it exists it can go fuck itself.
>>
>> Was that clear enough for you?
>>
>> Now we're unsaveable you have no reason to be here. So you can go fuck
>> yourself. You'd enjoy it better than being an ignorant asshole anmong
>> your betters.
>
>As a Christian who was once an atheist (and hold the usual reply that
>we all claim that), and who swore at God, and still gets angry at Him
>sometimes, to the point of arguing with Him, I sometimes wonder what
>the term means, "Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit".
Idiot. If you believed in it to swear at it you were stil some kind of
theist.
Why do you lie? And why don't you understand just how transparent you
are?
> If it means simply
>swearing at God in the form of the Holy Spirit, then a few of the
>above letter writers have already written themselves off, and are
>already doomed. So would be a lot of Christians, especially those who
>have suffered grieviously in some way, and taken it out on God, who
>claims to be in control of all circumstances. When someone earnestly
>believes God is supposed to be a "Loving FAther" and then kills off a
>couple of children in the family, the alleged "Love" comes in for a
>bit of angry questioning.
If you were acxtually an atheist, you would know what it means to be
atheist. You have on numerous occasions demonstrated that you don't
hav ethe first idea, or that the only person you are fooling is
yourself.
An ex-atheist would understand what the word "God" means outside your
religion. You don't have the least idea.
>I don't think simply swearing at God is what it means. It is all very
>well for people brought up as Christians from childhood to insist it
>does, but they are then judging non-Christians and atheists, whom they
>have been told not to judge.
It's merely a figment of your imagination.
>Let us take a look at the context first.
>
>In the case of the Pharisees, they were face to face with the
>incarnate God in Jesus Christ, who had performed miracles in front of
>them, who had raised the dead and healed the sick. He did these
>things through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, since He made it
>clear in His reply to the Pharisees that it was the Holy Spirit who
>was performing the miracles through Him. So when Christ said to His
>disciples the Father can do nothing without the Son, and the Son can
>do nothing without the Father, He could have added that the Father and
>the Son could not do anything without the Holy Spirit.
No, You BELIEVE this. Either demonstrate it actually happened, or
admit it's merely a belief and stop talking about it as though it were
fact.
>The Pharisees had therefore accused the Holy Spirit of being the
>Devil, since they claimed Christ's powers were demonic. In addition
>they were already plotting to kill (ie. murder) God Incarnate, which
>is a far cry from the frustrated cry of a person who doubts God's
>existence, partly in response to the many evil things they see
>happening around them.
Are you honestly incapable of telling the difference between religious
belief and fact?
>In short they had just witnessed a miracle of demonic deliverance, in
>which a deaf and mute man had been healed. And accused Christ of
>being in league with the devil. And as I said before, they were
>already thinking of killing Him.
Again, this is merely your religious belief that has no basis in
reality.
>Murdering God is not a good way to win heavenly friends and influence
>angels.
And murdering Captain Kirk is not a good way to win friends among the
crew of the Starship Enterprise. What's your point?
>Even after they did murder Him, God then sent the Holy Spirit upon the
>Apostles, so that they began to do the same sorts of things Christ
>did, although to a lesser extent. Thus Christ's murder did not stop
>the Holy Spirit from operating. Meanwhile the Pharisees went on
>splitting hairs about combing their hair on the Sabbath, washing their
>hands before eating, and glorying in being "chosen" (like some 'Elect'
>Christians I can think of, so sure of their own election, and damned
>proud of it, too, to the point of spiritual arrogance).
Why are you posting this stupidity to an atheist newsgroup?
>Now it is not a wise thing to swear at God anytime, but He prefers
>bitterly cold enemies to lukewarm friends, as a passage to one of the
>churches in Revelation makes clear. Bitterly cold enemies, if
>converted, usually become strong friends. It is an axiom that there
>is no disciple like a former enemy. Saint Paul is the outstanding
>Biblical example.
Are you really this stupid, or just pretending?
The claimed "ex-atheist" who lectures atheists as though they were
closet Christians and talks at them as though it were real.
>I am still not sure what "Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit" means, but I
>suspect that in the end it means rejecting FAther, Son and Holy
>Spirit, at which point the end is clear.
Demonstrate that there's something to reject, or shut the fuck up
about it.
More proof that you were never the atheist you pretend to have been.
>On the other hadd, we don't see miracles in the same way as the crowds
>did during Christ's personal ministry. And when atheists see
>Christians accusing other Christians of "not knowing Christ", small
>wonder they think Christians are bonkers. I well remember not long
>after my own conversion, sitting in a Presbyterian church, hearing a
>Protestant "Missionary" bad mouthing the Catholic Church, and
>therefore Catholic Christians. I felt disgusted, and some years later
>became a Catholic (not due to this incident I might add). At least the
>Catholic Church demonstrates some visible unity.
Atheists just laugh at your in-our-face stupidity - expecially those
of you who pretend you were atheists while not knowing the first thing
about atheists. Like you.
>Bob Crowley.
jwk
> Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote in message news:<5iqerv8he0ir5ng5v...@4ax.com>...
> > On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 14:09:13 -0800, "Christian Party"
> > <christi...@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >http://members.fortunecity.com/zz8/holyspirit.htm
> > >
> > >Only Unforgivable Sin: Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit
> >
> > The Holy Spirit is a figment of your deluded imagination. In the
> > unlikely event that it exists it can go fuck itself.
> >
> > Was that clear enough for you?
> >
> > Now we're unsaveable you have no reason to be here. So you can go fuck
> > yourself. You'd enjoy it better than being an ignorant asshiole anmong
> > your betters.
>
> As a Christian who was once an atheist (and hold the usual reply that
> we all claim that), and who swore at God, and still gets angry at Him
> sometimes, to the point of arguing with Him,
Spoken like all the others who really can't get it through their timy
pin-shaped heads that atheists don't hate their stupid figment of
imagination. Just because you got mad at God and swore at him,
doesn't mean you were an atheist. Sorry. Nope.
jwk
BAAWA
socode
> As a Christian who was once an atheist (and hold the usual reply that
> we all claim that), and who swore at God
What purpose would be served by swearing at a deity
one doesn't believe exists?
Atheism is a simple concept, and that you couldn't
even lie about it successfully is very revealing.
socode
Fred Stone
> Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote in message news:<5iqerv8he0ir5ng5v...@4ax.com>...
>
>>On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 14:09:13 -0800, "Christian Party"
>><christi...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>http://members.fortunecity.com/zz8/holyspirit.htm
>>>
>>>Only Unforgivable Sin: Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit
>>
>>The Holy Spirit is a figment of your deluded imagination. In the
>>unlikely event that it exists it can go fuck itself.
>>
>>Was that clear enough for you?
>>
>>Now we're unsaveable you have no reason to be here. So you can go fuck
>>yourself. You'd enjoy it better than being an ignorant asshiole anmong
>>your betters.
>
>
> As a Christian who was once an atheist (and hold the usual reply that
> we all claim that), and who swore at God,
Stop right there. You swore at something you didn't believe existed?
You're lying. You weren't an atheist at all.
Your testimony begins with a lie. Shame on you. What on earth makes you
think we'll listen to you with anything other than derision?
--
Fred Stone
Illegitimi non Carborundum
raven1
wrote:
>
>"raven1" <psyched...@flashmail.com> wrote in message
>news:fk7frv89n4loq6s8h...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 07:02:36 GMT, "c dumont" <cdu...@telusplanet.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > The unforgiveable sin is to refuse the Holy Spirit to talk through you
>when
>> >you are put in jail for refusing to accept the antichrist when he comes,
>> >this law only applies to the Saints who know the difference between the
>real
>> >Christ and the false one.
>>
>> What makes you think that *you* qualify, as opposed to, say,
>> 99.9999999999% of the over 1 billion other Christians on the planet?
>> Sounds like a bit of hubris to me.
>>
>> For one thing i know what the unforgiveable sin is.
And you know this how?
Gray Shockley
(in message <aklirvct6316i8ba7...@4ax.com>):
She done dood it twice.
Gray Shockley
--------------------------
"Swinehood hath no remedy." - Sidney Lanier
Erica
Fred Stone <fsto...@earthling.com> wrote:
He might, just might be saying that these two things were not
simultaneous. He has been through more than one phase here, including
protestanism and catholicism. Perhaps his atheistic stage, and his
"swearing at God" stage were at two different times, and he is using
both as examples of what some might consider "blasphemy against the
spirit."
Maybe.
He'll have to pipe in himself to confirm or deny.
Either that or he really is a bit confused.
Erica
Fred Stone
Maybe. We hear all the time from Christians who "used to be atheists"
and they all seem to be reading from the same script.
> He'll have to pipe in himself to confirm or deny.
>
> Either that or he really is a bit confused.
>
We do see a lot of the confused ones.
Baruch Gee
> and they all seem to be reading from the same script.
Graffitti on a wall:
GOD IS DEAD, signed NIETSCHE.
Underneath was written:
NIETSCHE IS DEAD, signed GOD.
BG
Fred Stone
Thanks for the confirmation.
stoney
wrote in alt.atheism;
>Only Unforgivable Sin: Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit
No one gives a shit about your imaginary daemon deity, fuckwit.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
Ms Voltaire
Errancy" by C. Dennis McKinsey. It lists the 1001 errors of the book written
by ignorant wandering savages who thought the earth was flat, that donkeys
and snakes could talk, and that man was made from a pile of dirt.
Gray Shockley
(in message <a58d2f72.03111...@posting.google.com>):
Circa 1895.
Fred Stone
I prefer the library at http://www.infidels.org and the Skeptic's
Annotated Bible: http://www.skepticsannotatebible.com
Baruch Gee
> On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 14:09:13 -0800, "Christian Party"
> <christi...@cox.net>, Message ID: <Rxxtb.949$vJ6.924@fed1read05>
> wrote in alt.atheism;
>
>
> >Only Unforgivable Sin: Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit
>
> No one gives a shit about your imaginary daemon deity, fuckwit.
Hmm, incivility is not much of a recommendation that your position is
a worthy one for good people to exchange a faith-position for. You
seem as if you simply have an itch to scratch, which is rather
emotional, not attractively logical.
If you want to read intelligently about your own tradition, instead of
just attacking other people's, I recommend James Thrower's 'The
Alternative Tradition: A Study of Unbelief in the Ancient World'
(Mouton Publishers: The Hague, Parish, New York). James, whom I knew
as an ethical atheist who didn't go around being aggressively rude
about other people's beliefs (or otherwise), writes on the background
to atheism in India, China, Greece and Rome, with a final chapter on
Israel, Egypt and the Near East.
I think it would make you less defensive if you realised you had a
tradition of your own, so that you don't have to define yourself with
attacks on others.
After all, you don't have to be a redneck to be an atheist. You know
that.
:-)
Baruch.
Christopher A. Lee
>stoney <sto...@the.net> wrote in message news:<4p4orvsljtt5jl7jm...@4ax.com>...
>> On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 14:09:13 -0800, "Christian Party"
>> <christi...@cox.net>, Message ID: <Rxxtb.949$vJ6.924@fed1read05>
>> wrote in alt.atheism;
>>
>> >Only Unforgivable Sin: Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit
>>
>> No one gives a shit about your imaginary daemon deity, fuckwit.
>
>Hmm, incivility is not much of a recommendation that your position is
>a worthy one for good people to exchange a faith-position for. You
>seem as if you simply have an itch to scratch, which is rather
>emotional, not attractively logical.
It seems you're either just plain stupid or deliberately lying to be
nasty.
>If you want to read intelligently about your own tradition,
What "tradition" would that be, moron?
> instead of
>just attacking other people's,
He's not, moron.
> I recommend James Thrower's 'The
>Alternative Tradition: A Study of Unbelief in the Ancient World'
>(Mouton Publishers: The Hague, Parish, New York). James, whom I knew
>as an ethical atheist who didn't go around being aggressively rude
>about other people's beliefs (or otherwise), writes on the background
>to atheism in India, China, Greece and Rome, with a final chapter on
>Israel, Egypt and the Near East.
Nobody is "going round being aggressively rude about other people's
beliefs". That is a paranoid fantasy by people who are too stupid to
understand that nobody would care what they believed if they weren't
so in-our-face about what is irrelevent outside their religion.
>I think it would make you less defensive if you realised you had a
>tradition of your own, so that you don't have to define yourself with
>attacks on others.
Keep your stupidity to yourself instead of in-our-facing it and there
would be no REACTION.
He's responding, not attacking.
And of course it should be obvious even to a brainwashed believer like
you that he did it to show he is un-savable, to get you to go away and
shut the fuck up about your ridiculous beliefs.
stoney
ID: <a58d2f72.03111...@posting.google.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
Not this brain dead bullshit again! The counter on this one is rapidly
catching up on "Pascal's Wager."
stoney
ID: <a58d2f72.03112...@posting.google.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
>stoney <sto...@the.net> wrote in message news:<4p4orvsljtt5jl7jm...@4ax.com>...
>> On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 14:09:13 -0800, "Christian Party"
>> <christi...@cox.net>, Message ID: <Rxxtb.949$vJ6.924@fed1read05>
>> wrote in alt.atheism;
>>
>>
>> >Only Unforgivable Sin: Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit
>>
>> No one gives a shit about your imaginary daemon deity, fuckwit.
>
>Hmm, incivility is not much of a recommendation that your position is
>a worthy one for good people to exchange a faith-position for. You
>seem as if you simply have an itch to scratch, which is rather
>emotional, not attractively logical.
The poster I responded to was anything but civil. There is no reason to
treat him/her with the courtesy when there was no civility shown
people in alt.atheism.
>If you want to read intelligently about your own tradition,
Are you a fool, or merely ignorant? That's an honest question. What
'tradition' would I have?
>instead of
>just attacking other people's, I recommend James Thrower's 'The
>Alternative Tradition: A Study of Unbelief in the Ancient World'
>(Mouton Publishers: The Hague, Parish, New York).
Tsk, another liar for Jesus. Please note I didn't attack the prior
poster. I indicated no one here was interested in his malevolent
fantasies.
> James, whom I knew
>as an ethical atheist who didn't go around being aggressively rude
>about other people's beliefs (or otherwise), writes on the background
>to atheism in India, China, Greece and Rome, with a final chapter on
>Israel, Egypt and the Near East.
Sorry, Sport, but I have no intention of being a door mat for you
people. This newsgroup has a tendency to mirror the courtesy, or lack
thereof, of the theists and trolls who invade.
>I think it would make you less defensive if you realised you had a
>tradition of your own, so that you don't have to define yourself with
>attacks on others.
Poor sod. So uneducated.
>After all, you don't have to be a redneck to be an atheist. You know
>that.
>
>:-)
>
>Baruch.
Bob Crowley
Leaving aside the idea that a spiritual being might put words into an
animal's mouth on rare occasions, flowers are made from air, water,
sunlight and dirt.
All the hues, varieties, subtleties, fragrancies, beauty, compactness
and delicacy of flowers are the result of those four items, mixing in
various ways.
Cows eat grass, which grows in dirt, and produce milk, which you
drink. Occasionally you eat the cow, product of grass, water and air.
And bodies do decay back to earth. Ever dropped a dead animal in a
compost heap? What do you get a couple of months later? What do you
think you'd get in a human grave after years of decomposition?
Bob Crowley.
Ron Baker
"Bob Crowley" <bobcr...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:adff117.03112...@posting.google.com...
But you would agree that that is a figurative description,
wouldn't you?
Bob Crowley
In the case that "man was made from a pile of dirt" I can't see what
is figurative about it. Broken down to our constituent elements we
add up to a few dollars at market value. We are made from dirt, with
a certain amount of water thrown in to give us our bulk and fluidity.
Frankly I believe we have a spirit, which is duly judged, after being
separated from the body.
If we don't, what we then have is animated piles of dirt building
cities, ruling over other living compost heaps, criticising and
putting down those dirty beings whom we feel superior to, and best of
all, ridiculing the creator who made the whole thing, as though He's
stupid. They fly to the moon, gaze at the stars, work out
mathematical formulas, and then go back to the dirt from which they
came.
Seems a bit pointless to me if that is all it is.
Bob Crowley.
Christopher A. Lee
Crowley) wrote:
>Frankly I believe we have a spirit, which is duly judged, after being
>separated from the body.
I'm glad it's only your belief. If you try to take it further than
that you have to demonstrate that thaere actually is...
>If we don't, what we then have is animated piles of dirt building
>cities, ruling over other living compost heaps, criticising and
>putting down those dirty beings whom we feel superior to, and best of
>all, ridiculing the creator who made the whole thing, as though He's
>stupid. They fly to the moon, gaze at the stars, work out
>mathematical formulas, and then go back to the dirt from which they
>came.
Nobody is ridiculing your hypothetical creator because there isn't one
to ridicule - UNTIL YOU DEMONSTRATE THERE IS. Then we can ridicule it.
In the meantime we'll confine ourself to ridiculing the ridiculous
things you tell us.
ZenIsWhen
?????
That we are composed of an aggregate of the elements that surrounds us is a
fact.
That this fact supports a biblical claim of 'made from a pile of dirt" is
irrational.
Broken down to our constituent elements we
> add up to a few dollars at market value. We are made from dirt, with
> a certain amount of water thrown in to give us our bulk and fluidity.
You simplify things when desired, and then use those simplifications to
justify biblical claims?
>
> Frankly I believe we have a spirit, which is duly judged, after being
> separated from the body.
OK .... that's your belief ... nothing more, nothing less.
>
> If we don't, what we then have is animated piles of dirt building
> cities, ruling over other living compost heaps,
ain't it fun, though?
You can describe humanity in many ways, but do not be fooled into thinking
your ways of describing humanity is allthere is.
criticising and
> putting down those dirty beings whom we feel superior to,
The ones doing that most often are the religous believers who automatically
think those who do not believe (or do not bellieve in the same way) are
lesser beings.
and best of
> all, ridiculing the creator who made the whole thing, as though He's
> stupid.
Which you are doing here!
You can, with all respect and support, believe in a creator; but when you
talk about is as though that creator is fact - and MUST be honored, as fact,
in a way that pleases YOU, is where the religiouis arrogance rears its ugly
head.
You can treat anything you like as "god" - but you have no right to demand
that others do so too ....
They fly to the moon, gaze at the stars, work out
> mathematical formulas, and then go back to the dirt from which they
> came.
>
> Seems a bit pointless to me if that is all it is.
Unless you have facts and evidence to suggest something else - yes, they may
be all there is. In that case, each and every individual can create, or come
to their own, conclusions, about "Why" with equal rights and equal respect.
You have no more right to demanad, or assume, respect for your beliefs,
when you own religon is well known for disrespecting (even if it is as
simple as assuming MY religons is the only TRUE religion) other religious
beliefs.
Bob LeChevalier
>If we don't, what we then have is animated piles of dirt building
>cities, ruling over other living compost heaps, criticising and
>putting down those dirty beings whom we feel superior to, and best of
>all, ridiculing the creator who made the whole thing, as though He's
>stupid. They fly to the moon, gaze at the stars, work out
>mathematical formulas, and then go back to the dirt from which they
>came.
>
>Seems a bit pointless to me if that is all it is.
Who says that it has to have a point?
Or perhaps our intelligence and even that spirit are simply emergent
properties of the complexity that those animated piles of dirt have
assumed. That may BE the point.
lojbab
--
lojbab loj...@lojban.org
Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group
(Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.)
Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org
Christian Party
Blasphemy of the holy spirit has nothing to do with a pile of dirt,
constituent elements, dollars, market value, the spirit you defined above,
the moon, stars, mathematical formulas, etc., and everything to do with the
genealogy of Christ.
When the jews accused Christ of being an akathartos pneuma, they accused Him
of being of mixed race, the only unforgivable sin:
http://members.fortunecity.com/zz8/akathartos.htm
Mar 3:28-30 But he that shall blaspheme against the holy spirit hath never
forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: Because they said, He
hath an akathartos pneuma.
What is an akathartos pneuma? They are people who occupy Babylon, Tyre,
Sidon, the country of the Gadarenes, who could not be bound in chains, who
were driven into the wilderness, who could not find rest, who were dumb and
deaf, who made up a Roman legion, who were drowned in the sea with a herd of
swine, who came out of the mouth of beasts like frogs, and who it is
blasphemy of the holy spirit for the jews to accuse Christ of being.
Akathartos is an antonym of holy [read: set apart] which must mean not set
apart [read: integrated], a man who unites with one of another race, and an
animal that Israelites should not eat. Akatharsia is an antonym to holiness
[read: not set apart, so it means integrated], what Christ accused the
Pharisees of being full of, a dishonor to your own body [read: race], what
Paul exhorted his fellow Israelites to not be, and something that saints are
not to be.
Christ accused the Pharisees of being mamzers, and the Pharisees returned
the compliment by accusing Christ of being a mamzer.
A mamzer shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his
tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD,
Deuteronomy 23:2
John Knight
Christian Party
news:aksdrvg5o7j1f0l9f...@Pern.rk...
> On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 14:09:13 -0800, "Christian Party"
>
> >Christ stated that jews were mongrels, or descendants of miscegenation,
and
> >they replied that "We be not born of fornication; we have one Father,
even
> >God". In this context, "fornication" can only mean "miscegenation",
which
> >means that Christ claimed that these jews were mongrels and that their
reply
> >was actually:
> >
> > "We be not born of miscegenation; we have one ancestry, God [of
Abraham]".
> >
> >If jews are mongrels, then calling Christ a jew is the worst blasphemy of
> >the holy spirit on Earth.
>
> Those who don't understand the bible are condemned to misinterpret it.
>
> >Remember that the LORD thy God considers Israelites, all descendants of
> >Jacob
>
> Since many Israelites aren't descendants of Jacob, your god is an
> idiot.
> --
> "My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a
vivid
> consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the
betterment and
> ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a
law-giver who
> works on the basis of reward and punishment. "
> - Letter to M. Berkowitz, October 25, 1950; Einstein Archive 59-215
> (random sig, produced by SigChanger)
> rukbat at optonline dot net
There's no such thing as an Israelite who isn't a descendant of Jacob,
because by definition, the ONLY person who's an Israelite, and thus is an
heir to the everlasting covenant God made with Abraham through Jacob, are
descendants of Jacob.
Nobody else is. Even the offspring of descendants of Jacob who married
non-Israelites are not Israelites, because being an Israelite requires a
pure lineage back to Jacob. All others are mamzers who are prohibited from
the congregation of the LORD, forever:
A mamzer shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his
tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD,
Deuteronomy 23:2
http://members.fortunecity.com/zz8/mamzer.htm
John Knight
Al Klein
<christi...@cox.net> posted in alt.atheism:
>"Al Klein" <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote in message
>news:aksdrvg5o7j1f0l9f...@Pern.rk...
>> On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 14:09:13 -0800, "Christian Party"
>> <christi...@cox.net> posted in alt.atheism:
>> >Remember that the LORD thy God considers Israelites, all descendants of
>> >Jacob
>> Since many Israelites aren't descendants of Jacob, your god is an
>> idiot.
>There's no such thing as an Israelite who isn't a descendant of Jacob,
>because by definition, the ONLY person who's an Israelite, and thus is an
>heir to the everlasting covenant God made with Abraham through Jacob, are
>descendants of Jacob.
By definition, Israelites are descendants of Israel, not descendants
of Jacob. They're not called Jacobites, they're called Israelites.
>Nobody else is. Even the offspring of descendants of Jacob who married
>non-Israelites are not Israelites, because being an Israelite requires a
>pure lineage back to Jacob.
ALL Judaism (until fairly recently) was matrilineal, so an Israelite
woman who married a non-Israelite man had Israelite children.
>All others are mamzers who are prohibited from
>the congregation of the LORD, forever:
A mamzer is a child born of an unmarried woman. It has nothing to do
with the religion of the woman or of the child's father.
>A mamzer shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his
>tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD,
>Deuteronomy 23:2
Nice, but you first have to understand the words before you understand
the meaning of the sentence. Reading English dictionaries to gain
understanding of Aramaic words is stupidity personified.
Bob LeChevalier
>There's no such thing as an Israelite
Stop there and you have it right. There hasn't been an Israelite for
more than 2500 years.
Christian Party
"Bob LeChevalier" <loj...@lojban.org> wrote in message
news:vb6dtv0fe1g6lv3vv...@4ax.com...
> "Christian Party" <christi...@cox.net> wrote:
> >There's no such thing as an Israelite
>
> Stop there and you have it right. There hasn't been an Israelite for
> more than 2500 years.
>
> lojbab
Wrong. Israelites didn't just evaporate. Jeremiah the prophet was buried
in a cairn in Ireland 2,590 years ago, but his fellow Israelites, the ones
who built a tomb that works today just as it was designed to work, never
disappeared. I was just in his cairn and photographed 32 different stones
with inscriptions on them which describe his entire life, including his
journey with Tia Tephi from Israel to Egypt to Gibralter to Ireland.
http://www.anycities.com/jahtruth/jere.htm#died
The Israelites in Ireland today speak the exact same Hebrew which Jeremiah
spoke then, but it's now called Gaelic. Even after all these years, you
still can't find a single Gaelic word which is different from the original
Hebrew word (as well as Phoenician, as all three languages are identical).
There are a billion pure descendants of Abraham through Jacob who are all
Israelites, just as there are a half a billion descendants of Abraham
through Ishmael who are Arabs, and not a single one of them is a
"spirit"--they are flesh and blood.
John Knight
Christian Party
"Al Klein" <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote in message
> On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:46:54 -0800, "Christian Party"
> <christi...@cox.net> posted in alt.atheism:
>
> >"Al Klein" <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote in message
> >news:aksdrvg5o7j1f0l9f...@Pern.rk...
> >> On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 14:09:13 -0800, "Christian Party"
> >> <christi...@cox.net> posted in alt.atheism:
>
> >> >Remember that the LORD thy God considers Israelites, all descendants
of
> >> >Jacob
>
> >> Since many Israelites aren't descendants of Jacob, your god is an
> >> idiot.
>
> >There's no such thing as an Israelite who isn't a descendant of Jacob,
> >because by definition, the ONLY person who's an Israelite, and thus is an
> >heir to the everlasting covenant God made with Abraham through Jacob, are
> >descendants of Jacob.
>
> By definition, Israelites are descendants of Israel, not descendants
> of Jacob. They're not called Jacobites, they're called Israelites.
>
And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an
everlasting covenant, 1Ch 16:16-17
Note that the Israelites are descendants of Jacob, according to the Holy
Scripture.
> >Nobody else is. Even the offspring of descendants of Jacob who married
> >non-Israelites are not Israelites, because being an Israelite requires a
> >pure lineage back to Jacob.
>
> ALL Judaism (until fairly recently) was matrilineal, so an Israelite
> woman who married a non-Israelite man had Israelite children.
>
Israelite law and jew law are exact opposites. Israelite law requires both
parents to be Israelites for the offspring to be Israelites rather than
mamzers. It's only jew law which permits a mamzer to be a jew.
> >All others are mamzers who are prohibited from
> >the congregation of the LORD, forever:
>
> A mamzer is a child born of an unmarried woman. It has nothing to do
> with the religion of the woman or of the child's father.
>
Israelite law and jew law, again, are very different. Israelite law defines
the offspring of mixed race parents as mamzers, whereas jew law defines the
offspring of unmarried parents as mamzers.
This putative Christian nation doesn't operate by jew law.
A mamzer shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his
tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD,
Deuteronomy 23:2
Strong's Lexicon H4464 îîæø mamze^r mam-zare' From an unused root mian. to
alienate; a mongrel
Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary -- mon'grel (mun'grel), n. A cross
between types of persons or things. adj. Of or pertaining to an impure or
mixed breed or race.
http://members.fortunecity.com/zz8/mamzer.htm
>
> Nice, but you first have to understand the words before you understand
> the meaning of the sentence. Reading English dictionaries to gain
> understanding of Aramaic words is stupidity personified.
> --
Mamzer is a Hebrew and Gaelic and Phoenician word, not an Aramaic word, and
its definition and context are very clear from the Scripture in the Holy
Bible, at least to Israelites. To jews it might be difficult, as half the
jew references claim that "the meaning is unknown", as if though God gave
Israel a law using a word nobody understood );
That's because jews are mamzers, by definition, and don't want their
condition to be known.
John Knight
Christian Party
news:0001HW.BBDC59E2...@news.giganews.com...
> On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:09:13 -0600, Christian Party wrote
> (in message <Rxxtb.949$vJ6.924@fed1read05>):
>
>
> > e.. And a mamzer [race] shall dwell in Ashdod, and I will cut off the
> > pride of the Philistines; Zec 9:6
>
>
> _Oxford Englisg Dictionary:
>
> mamser
>
> [a. late L. mamze<nfmac>r, a Heb. word (mamze<nfmac>r) adopted by the
Vulgate
> in Deut. xxiii. 2 (where it appears with the gloss <oq>id est de scorto
> natus<cq>), and hence frequently used in the Middle Ages.]
>
> A bastard.
>
> Also in extended uses as a term of abuse or familiarity.
> 1562 Winzet Cert. Tractates Wks. 1888 I. 43 Thair suld nocht be sa
> mony..scabbit Moabites, Amonites, and sclanderous Mamzeres..maid preistis.
> 1612 Bp. Hall Serm. v. 60 Whatever become of these Mamzers, which do thus
> exclude themselves from the congregation of God [etc.].
> 1865 Kingsley Herew. II. iv. 73 The only power that is, whom I see in
> England..is William the Mamzer.
> 1955 H. Kurnitz Let. Dec. in G. Marx Groucho Lett. (1967) 250 When the
> momzerim in the aisle seats have finished clubbing me I will come to
> California.
>
> 1960 Wentworth & Flexner Dict. Amer. Slang 342/1 Momzer, momser, one who
> borrows frequently, or who expects much attention and many favors; a
> sponger... Any disliked person; a bastard.
>
>
> 1963 <oq>R. L. Pike<cq> Mute Witness (1965) ii. 23 Johnny Rossi? The
> west-coast hood?.. And we<cq>re keeping momsers like that alive, now?
> 1964 W. Markfield To Early Grave (1965) iv. 86 That mass man, that
> totalitarian type, that momza.
> 1968 L. Rosten Joys of Yiddish 254 Momzer..is often used to describe a
very
> bright child, a clever or ingenious person, a resourceful,
gets-things-done,
> corner-cutting type.
>
>
> 1970 L. M. Feinsilver Taste of Yiddish 47 A Mamzer..(a bastard, a thief;
> hence a dirty crook).
>
>
> 1972 Guardian 10 Oct. 4/2 The problem of Mamzerim, the Jewish bastard
> outcasts.
> 1973 Jewish Chron. 19 Jan. 1/4 Hanoch and Miriam Langer are a brother and
> sister declared by a rabbinical court in Petach Tikva more than seven
years
> ago to be
>
> mamzerim (children of an adulterous union).
>
> Ibid. 2 Feb. 23/4 The husband could not be given permission to remarry in
an
> Orthodox synagogue, so he married in a Reform synagogue. Incidentally, any
> child from this marriage is not a
> mamzer. --------------------------------------------------------So you co
> me from this race, eh, JohnnieBoy?
> >
> Gray Shockley
The translation of mamzer to bastard was correct--when bastard meant the
offspring of mixed race parents. BUT, The Oxford English Dictionary states
that when the KJV was translated, a bastard was a "mongrel, hybrid, or
inferior breed."
http://www.posse-comitatus.org/Bible_Studies/a_closer_look_at_the_seventh_co
m.htm
http://members.fortunecity.com/zz8/bastard.htm
http://www.christianseparatist.org/sixth/nothos.html
John Knight
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Therion Ware
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Oh don't knock it. Hast thou never heard of "Flirty Fishing"?
--
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<>You Jesus-freaks are REALLY fucked up, ya know that?
<
<Oh don't knock it. Hast thou never heard of "Flirty Fishing"?
Well, yeah...but you don't get the chick.
And the all-expenses weekend retreat isn't everything you hoped, either.
-- cary
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>< On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 19:42:02 GMT in alt.atheism, Hü©k Hö§hïmötö
><! ("Hü©k Hö§hïmötö !"
><<huckleberr...@earthlink.net>) said, directing the reply to
><alt.atheism
><
><
><
><>You Jesus-freaks are REALLY fucked up, ya know that?
><
><Oh don't knock it. Hast thou never heard of "Flirty Fishing"?
>
>
>
>Well, yeah...but you don't get the chick.
>
>And the all-expenses weekend retreat isn't everything you hoped, either.
You clearly weren't there in the early days. David Berg was
underwritten by the then nascent UK Evangelical Alliance, something
they like to keep *real* quiet these days.
Bob LeChevalier
>The Israelites in Ireland today speak the exact same Hebrew which Jeremiah
>spoke then, but it's now called Gaelic.
Hilarious. Utterly hilarious. I should introduce you to someone I
know who speaks fluent Hebrew AND fluent Gaelic, and watch you try
your silliness on him.
There are no Israelites in Ireland. Celtic languages and Hebrew
aren't even in the same language family.
>Even after all these years, you
>still can't find a single Gaelic word which is different from the original
>Hebrew word (as well as Phoenician, as all three languages are identical).
ROTFLMAO.
Gray Shockley
(in message <xOJBb.44882$Bk1.19144@fed1read05>):
> Wrong. Israelites didn't just evaporate. Jeremiah the prophet was buried
> in a cairn in Ireland 2,590 years ago, but his fellow Israelites, the ones
> who built a tomb that works today just as it was designed to work, never
> disappeared. I was just in his cairn and photographed 32 different stones
> with inscriptions on them which describe his entire life, including his
> journey with Tia Tephi from Israel to Egypt to Gibralter to Ireland.
> http://www.anycities.com/jahtruth/jere.htm#died
>
> The Israelites in Ireland today speak the exact same Hebrew which Jeremiah
> spoke then, but it's now called Gaelic. Even after all these years, you
> still can't find a single Gaelic word which is different from the original
> Hebrew word (as well as Phoenician, as all three languages are identical).
>
> There are a billion pure descendants of Abraham through Jacob who are all
> Israelites, just as there are a half a billion descendants of Abraham
> through Ishmael who are Arabs, and not a single one of them is a
> "spirit"--they are flesh and blood.
>
> John Knight
And - on that same site - located at:
--------------------------------------------------------
<http://www.anycities.com/jahtruth/ufos.htm>
George Lucas quite naturally believes that he wrote "Starwars", when, in
reality, he was told telepathically what to write, by the very "Force" to
which the films refer, as a very important step in the preparation of mankind
for the long-awaited TRUTH, about the real reasons for human life on Earth
("what on earth am I doing here?"), the meaning of life and its purpose
--------------------------------------------------------
The film DUNE (not the book) which is supposedly science-fiction, and
visually is portrayed as such in the film, is, in reality, a TRUE story that
is unfolding now and it is about GIBRALTAR - Gebal Tariq - The Rock of "The
Night-Visitant" (in Arabic). . .
--------------------------------------------------------
I think there are a few too many wacko's and loons who
have been stealing spice from Padishah Emperor Shaddam IV.
Gray Shockley
--------------------------------------------------------
Who knows that spice is on the Class 1 drug list.
Gray Shockley
(in message <M1KBb.44985$Bk1.25279@fed1read05>):
> Mamzer is a Hebrew and Gaelic and Phoenician word, not an Aramaic word, and
> its definition and context are very clear from the Scripture in the Holy
> Bible, at least to Israelites. To jews it might be difficult, as half the
> jew references claim that "the meaning is unknown", as if though God gave
> Israel a law using a word nobody understood );
>
> That's because jews are mamzers, by definition, and don't want their
> condition to be known.
>
John "Castrated Swine" Knight
You forgot to get off your knees and give the
source for your silly nonsense, Castrata Knight.
Let's see now. Should we believe John "Psychopath"
Knight or the Oxford English Dictionary?
"mamzer. Also momser, momza, momzer. Pl. mamze<ph>"</ph>rim.
[a. late L. mamze<nfmac>r, a Heb. word (mamze<nfmac>r) adopted by the Vulgate
in Deut. xxiii. 2 (where it appears with the gloss <oq>id est de scorto
natus<cq>), and hence frequently used in the Middle Ages.]
A bastard. Also in extended uses as a term of abuse or
familiarity.n.
Poor Johnnie Boyd Knight so wanted to be a man if he grew up.
He isn't and he didn't.
Gray Shockley
--------------------------------------------------------
Well, of course, Johnnie Boyd Knight is
a liar. Who has said differently?
Cary Kittrell
<"Christian Party" <christi...@cox.net> wrote:
<>The Israelites in Ireland today speak the exact same Hebrew which Jeremiah
<>spoke then, but it's now called Gaelic.
<
<Hilarious. Utterly hilarious. I should introduce you to someone I
<know who speaks fluent Hebrew AND fluent Gaelic, and watch you try
<your silliness on him.
<
<There are no Israelites in Ireland. Celtic languages and Hebrew
<aren't even in the same language family.
<
<>Even after all these years, you
<>still can't find a single Gaelic word which is different from the original
<>Hebrew word (as well as Phoenician, as all three languages are identical).
<
<ROTFLMAO.
I am numb with admiration and envy.
-- cary
Erica
> On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:46:54 -0800, "Christian Party"
> <christi...@cox.net> posted in alt.atheism:
>
> >"Al Klein" <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote in message
> >news:aksdrvg5o7j1f0l9f...@Pern.rk...
> >> On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 14:09:13 -0800, "Christian Party"
> >> <christi...@cox.net> posted in alt.atheism:
>
> >> >Remember that the LORD thy God considers Israelites, all descendants of
> >> >Jacob
>
> >> Since many Israelites aren't descendants of Jacob, your god is an
> >> idiot.
>
> >There's no such thing as an Israelite who isn't a descendant of Jacob,
> >because by definition, the ONLY person who's an Israelite, and thus is an
> >heir to the everlasting covenant God made with Abraham through Jacob, are
> >descendants of Jacob.
>
> By definition, Israelites are descendants of Israel, not descendants
> of Jacob. They're not called Jacobites, they're called Israelites.
(wanders in)
Genesis 32:28 -- "And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob,
but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and
hast prevailed."
Hence, Jacob IS Israel.
> >Nobody else is. Even the offspring of descendants of Jacob who married
> >non-Israelites are not Israelites, because being an Israelite requires a
> >pure lineage back to Jacob.
>
> ALL Judaism (until fairly recently) was matrilineal, so an Israelite
> woman who married a non-Israelite man had Israelite children.
>
> >All others are mamzers who are prohibited from
> >the congregation of the LORD, forever:
>
> A mamzer is a child born of an unmarried woman. It has nothing to do
> with the religion of the woman or of the child's father.
>
> >A mamzer shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his
> >tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD,
> >Deuteronomy 23:2
>
> Nice, but you first have to understand the words before you understand
> the meaning of the sentence. Reading English dictionaries to gain
> understanding of Aramaic words is stupidity personified.
aside: I hate my news server. Having to use Google stinks. Esp, when
their server went down TOO. I'm cursed I tell ya, cursed!
Meh.
Erica
Al Klein
<christi...@cox.net> posted in alt.atheism:
>Even of the covenant which he made with Abraham, and of his oath unto Isaac;
>And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an
>everlasting covenant, 1Ch 16:16-17
>Note that the Israelites are descendants of Jacob, according to the Holy
>Scripture.
Oh, I thought you were talking about reality. Go on with your story.
I'm listening.
>> >Nobody else is. Even the offspring of descendants of Jacob who married
>> >non-Israelites are not Israelites, because being an Israelite requires a
>> >pure lineage back to Jacob.
>> ALL Judaism (until fairly recently) was matrilineal, so an Israelite
>> woman who married a non-Israelite man had Israelite children.
>Israelite law and jew law are exact opposites.
Sorry, I don't discuss Judaism with anti-Semites. Have a nice life.
--
"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education and social
ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he
had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."
-Albert Einstein
Al Klein
<christi...@cox.net> posted in alt.atheism:
>This putative Christian nation doesn't operate by jew law.
This isn't a Christian nation, putatively or otherwise, according to
treaty ratified by the senate.
>That's because jews are mamzers
Stop projecting.
--
"...I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do.
When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand
why I dismiss yours."
- Stephen F. Roberts
Al Klein
alt.atheism:
>Genesis 32:28 -- "And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob,
>but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and
>hast prevailed."
>Hence, Jacob IS Israel.
As much as St. Paul is Saul of Tarsus.
>aside: I hate my news server. Having to use Google stinks. Esp, when
>their server went down TOO. I'm cursed I tell ya, cursed!
I feel your pain, Erica. Hang in there.
--
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of
themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts."
- Bertrand Russell
Al Klein
<loj...@lojban.org> posted in alt.atheism:
>"Christian Party" <christi...@cox.net> wrote:
>>The Israelites in Ireland today speak the exact same Hebrew which Jeremiah
>>spoke then, but it's now called Gaelic.
>Hilarious. Utterly hilarious. I should introduce you to someone I
>know who speaks fluent Hebrew AND fluent Gaelic, and watch you try
>your silliness on him.
>There are no Israelites in Ireland. Celtic languages and Hebrew
>aren't even in the same language family.
>>Even after all these years, you
>>still can't find a single Gaelic word which is different from the original
>>Hebrew word (as well as Phoenician, as all three languages are identical).
>ROTFLMAO.
It's really side-spliitngly funny when someone who obviously doesn't
know a thing about the subject expounds on it to people who do. Irish
Gaelic (he probably doesn't even know that Gaelic is a group of
languages) and Hebrew sound not at all alike.
--
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each
other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
- Celsus (2nd century C.E.)
Gray Shockley
> The translation of mamzer to bastard was correct--when bastard meant the
> offspring of mixed race parents. BUT, The Oxford English Dictionary states
> that when the KJV was translated, a bastard was a "mongrel, hybrid, or
> inferior breed."
Okay, I'll type very, very slowly so that you might understand the _Oxford
English Dictionary_, 2nd Edition, 1993.
Now this is from that _OED_ and this is the entire entry. Nothing (that means
"no thing") stating that "the KJV was translated, a bastard was a 'mongrel,
hybrid, or inferior breed.'
--------------------------------------------------------
mamzer. Also momser, momza, momzer. Pl. mamze<ph>"</ph>rim.
mamzer.//www.posse-comitatus.org/Bible_Studies/a_closer_look_at_the_seventh_co
> m.htm
>
> http://members.fortunecity.com/zz8/bastard.htm
>
> http://www.christianseparatist.org/sixth/nothos.html
A list of three collectivist websites dedicated to the propisition that if
one isn't intelligent, that if one isn't talented,, that if one is
"interesting" looking, that if one is immoral swine and that if one has
nothing whatsoever - nothing at all - that distinguishes one fro any other
collectivist, one can claim to be "white".
Wow!
And let us take a look at ex-con James Wickstrom's little site that you
reference above.
Ah, yes; let us now turn to Chapter 69 of the Possie-Comitatus/White Boy
stupidity.
Ah! Here's something that doesn't surprise me at all: It's the old hoax of
--------------------------------------------------------
This prophecy, by Benjamin Franklin, was made in a "CHIT CHAT AROUND THE
TABLE DURING INTERMISSION," at the Philadelphia Constitutional Convention of
1787. This statement was recorded in the dairy of Charles Cotesworth
Pinckney, a delegate from South Carolina.
--------------------------------------------------------
And then Porky Wickstrom goes on to reveal what Delegate Pinckney wrote about
Jews in his (Pinckney's) diary.
Pinckney didn't write a diary.
That rather sillyass quotation is a fabrication by the collectivists who are
not smart enough and do not have the moral fibre to judge people as
individuals.
Pinckney didn't write a diary.
Looks like the ole bearing false witness by your prison buddy, the felon
James Wickstrom.
But you and yourin can lie for as long as the day is long (and some of your
fellow wacko's have been known to ride in the night (or should we say, right
in the knight"?).
Hey! It's okay for you slimy collectivists to do just about anything immoral,
ilegal or fattening (right, Porky?) because you're white.
Wow!
Gee Whiz!
I am so impressed by these white boys and castratas. I've never seen anyone
with quite the ability to put the foot in the mouth, his head up his ass and
then shoot himself in the foot.
Three strikes, no balls, you're out.
Gray Shockley
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Tao Chemical Company
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http://www.compcomm.com/
Vicksburg, Mississippi US
Gray Shockley
(in message <6dfe32b8.03121...@posting.google.com>):
> aside: I hate my news server. Having to use Google stinks. Esp, when
> their server went down TOO. I'm cursed I tell ya, cursed!
If you've got a newsreader and $3.95, try TeraNews.
That $3.95 is a one shot deal (for obvious reasons) and one is allowed free
some high number of megs d/l a day, I use it for my backup account.
Ah:
and I looked: up to 50 MB download daily.
Ya might be interested in checking that site.
Gray Shockley
--------------------------------------------------------
When trouble arises and things look bad, there is always one
individual who perceives a solution and is willing to take
command. Very often, that individual is crazy. -Author Unk
Gray Shockley
(in message <84mftvconnohj6r38...@Pern.rk>):
> On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:54:48 -0800, "Christian Party"
> <christi...@cox.net> posted in alt.atheism:
>
>> This putative Christian nation doesn't operate by jew law.
>
> This isn't a Christian nation, putatively or otherwise, according to
> treaty ratified by the senate.
>
>> That's because jews are mamzers
>
> Stop projecting.
>
"You, you, you bastard!"
"That's true, but with me it's an accident of birth. But you, you're a
selfmade man."
-------
Motion picture: "The Professionals" at the very end
= = Gray
stoney
<gray...@cybercoffee.org>, Message ID:
<0001HW.BBFD8227...@news.giganews.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
>On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:51:57 -0600, Erica wrote
>(in message <6dfe32b8.03121...@posting.google.com>):
>
>> aside: I hate my news server. Having to use Google stinks. Esp, when
>> their server went down TOO. I'm cursed I tell ya, cursed!
>
>
>If you've got a newsreader and $3.95, try TeraNews.
>
>That $3.95 is a one shot deal (for obvious reasons) and one is allowed free
>some high number of megs d/l a day, I use it for my backup account.
>
>Ah:
>
><http://www.TeraNews.com/>
>
>and I looked: up to 50 MB download daily.
>
>Ya might be interested in checking that site.
Erica can post via 'post.newsfeeds.com
and retrieve via 'news.sisna.com'
or post and retrieve at no charge, but I think there are banners, via;
http://newsone.net
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
Christian Party
> On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:54:48 -0600, Christian Party wrote
> (in message <M1KBb.44985$Bk1.25279@fed1read05>):
>
> > Mamzer is a Hebrew and Gaelic and Phoenician word, not an Aramaic word,
and
> > its definition and context are very clear from the Scripture in the Holy
> > Bible, at least to Israelites. To jews it might be difficult, as half
the
> > jew references claim that "the meaning is unknown", as if though God
gave
> > Israel a law using a word nobody understood );
> >
> > That's because jews are mamzers, by definition, and don't want their
> > condition to be known.
> >
> John "Castrated Swine" Knight
>
>
> You forgot to get off your knees and give the
> source for your silly nonsense, Castrata Knight.
>
> Let's see now. Should we believe John "Psychopath"
> Knight or the Oxford English Dictionary?
>
> "mamzer. Also momser, momza, momzer. Pl. mamze<ph>"</ph>rim.
> [a. late L. mamze<nfmac>r, a Heb. word (mamze<nfmac>r) adopted by the
Vulgate
> in Deut. xxiii. 2 (where it appears with the gloss <oq>id est de scorto
> natus<cq>), and hence frequently used in the Middle Ages.]
> A bastard. Also in extended uses as a term of abuse or
agai
> n.
>
>
> Poor Johnnie Boyd Knight so wanted to be a man if he grew up.
>
> He isn't and he didn't.
>
>
> Gray Shockley
If you don't believe a mamzer is a mongrel, then which Hebrew word do you
think does mean mongrel?
Here's what the Israelites said about mamzers:
Ezra 9:1 Now when these things were done, the princes came to me, saying,
The people of Israel, and the priests, and the Levites, have not separated
themselves from the people of the lands, doing according to their
abominations, even of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the
Jebusites, the Ammonites, the Moabites, the Egyptians, and the Amorites.
Ezra 9:2 For they have taken of their daughters for themselves, and for
their sons: so that the holy seed have mingled themselves with the people of
those lands: yea, the hand of the princes and rulers hath been chief in this
trespass.
Ezra 10:3 Now therefore let us make a covenant with our God to put away all
the wives, and such as are born of them, according to the counsel of my
lord, and of those that tremble at the commandment of our God; and let it be
done according to the law.
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Nehemiah 9:1 Now in the twenty and fourth day of this month the children of
Israel were assembled with fasting, and with sackcloth, and earth upon them.
Nehemiah 9:2 And the seed of Israel separated themselves from all
foreigners, and stood and confessed their sins, and the iniquities of their
fathers.
Nehemiah 9:3 And they stood up in their place, and read in the book of the
law of Jehovah their God a fourth part of the day; and another fourth part
they confessed, and worshipped Jehovah their God.
Nehemiah 13:3 Now it came to pass, when they had heard the law, that they
separated from Israel all the mixed multitude.
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Deuteronomy 7:1 When Jehovah thy God shall bring thee into the land whither
thou goest to possess it, and shall cast out many nations before thee, the
Hittite, and the Girgashite, and the Amorite, and the Canaanite, and the
Perizzite, and the Hivite, and the Jebusite, seven nations greater and
mightier than thou;
Deuteronomy 7:2 and when Jehovah thy God shall deliver them up before thee,
and thou shalt smite them; then thou shalt utterly destroy them: thou shalt
make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them;
Deuteronomy 7:3 neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter
thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy
son.
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Deuteronomy 20:16 But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God
doth give thee [for] an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that
breatheth:
Deuteronomy 20:17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; [namely], the
Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites,
and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:
John Knight
Christian Party
> On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:54:48 -0800, "Christian Party"
> <christi...@cox.net> posted in alt.atheism:
>
> >Even of the covenant which he made with Abraham, and of his oath unto
Isaac;
> >And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an
> >everlasting covenant, 1Ch 16:16-17
>
> >Note that the Israelites are descendants of Jacob, according to the Holy
> >Scripture.
>
> Oh, I thought you were talking about reality. Go on with your story.
> I'm listening.
>
> >> >Nobody else is. Even the offspring of descendants of Jacob who
married
> >> >non-Israelites are not Israelites, because being an Israelite requires
a
> >> >pure lineage back to Jacob.
>
> >> ALL Judaism (until fairly recently) was matrilineal, so an Israelite
> >> woman who married a non-Israelite man had Israelite children.
>
> >Israelite law and jew law are exact opposites.
>
> Sorry, I don't discuss Judaism with anti-Semites. Have a nice life.
>
The Holy Bible is for Semites [read: descendants of Shem], not for "they who
say they are jews and are not but are of the synagog of satan" [read: those
who pretend to be Semites], so have a nice life yourself.
JOhn Knight
Christian Party
"Al Klein" <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote in message
> On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:54:48 -0800, "Christian Party"
> <christi...@cox.net> posted in alt.atheism:
>
> >This putative Christian nation doesn't operate by jew law.
>
> This isn't a Christian nation, putatively or otherwise, according to
> treaty ratified by the senate.
>
And who has the authority to change God's Law? You jews? No.
"Don't let anyone
claim to be a true American. Don't let them claim the tribute of
American patriotism if they ever attempt to remove religion from
politics." George Washington's farewell address
First chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, John Jay, wrote:
"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is
the duty ... of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for
their rulers." (1816)
William Penn
"Those who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants."
Justice David Brewer said this:
"This is a religious people. This is historically true. From the discovery
of this continent to the present hour, there is a single voice making this
affirmation ... We find everywhere a clear recognition of the same truth ...
These, and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of
unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a
Christian nation. (1892)
As recently as 1952 Justice William O. Douglas wrote:
"We are a religious people whose institutions presuppose a Supreme Being."
Even liberal Supreme Court chief justice, Earl Warren, wrote in 1954:
"I believe no one can read the history of our country without realizing
that the Good Book and the spirit of the Savior have from the beginning been
our guiding geniuses ... Whether we look to the first Charter of Virginia
... or to the Charter of New England ... or to the Charter of Massachusetts
Bay ... or to the Fundamental Orders of Connecticut ... the same objective
is present ... a Christian land governed by Christian principles. I believe
the entire Bill of Rights came into being because of the knowledge our
forefathers had of the Bible and their belief in it: freedom of belief, of
expression, of assembly, of petition, the dignity of the individual, the
sanctity of the home, equal justice under law, and the reservation of powers
to the people ... I like to believe we are living today in the spirit of the
Christian religion. I like also to believe that as long as we do so, no
great harm can come to our country."
Supreme Court justices were certainly not the only political figures who
wrote such things either. George Washington wrote a prayer addressed to "O
most glorious God, in Jesus Christ" and ended it like this:
"... Let me live according to those holy rules which Thou hast this day
prescribed in Thy holy word ... Direct me to the true object, Jesus Christ
the way, the truth and the life. Bless, O Lord, all the people of this
land."
Washington also said:
"Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can
prevail in exclusion of religious principle."
"It is impossible to rightly govern . . . without God & the Bible."
"You do well to wish to learn our arts and ways of life, and above all the
religion of Jesus Christ." to a group of Indian chiefs.
Roger Sherman:
". . . all civil rights and the right to hold office were to be extended
to persons of any Christian denomination."
John Adams wrote:
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is
wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with
passions unbridled by morality and religion."
"Religion & virtue are the only foundations, not only of republicanism and
of all free government, but of social felicity under all governments and in
all the combinations of human society."
"Statesmen, my dear sir, may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is
religion and morality alone, which can establish the principles upon which
freedom can securely stand."
Thomas Jefferson, the man "blamed" for the wall of separation between church
and state said:
"I have always said, and will always say, that the studious perusal of the
sacred volume will make us better citizens."
"And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed
their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these
liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His
wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just:
that His justice cannot sleep forever."
"No power over the freedom of religion . . .[is] delegated to the United
States by the Constitution."
"Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern, which have come under
my observation, none appears to me so pure as that of Jesus."
"I am a Christian, in the only sense in which he wished any one to be;
sincerely attached to his doctrines, in preference to all others; ascribing
to himself every human excellence; and believing he never claimed any
other." Letter to Benjamin Rush, April 21, 1803
James Madison:
"We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not on the
power of government...[but] upon the capacity of each and every one of us to
govern ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God."
"Before any man can be considered as a member of Civil Society, he must be
considered as a subject of the Governor of the Universe."
John Quincy Adams:
"The greatest glory of the American Revolution was this: It connected in
one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the
principles of Christianity."
"No book in the world deserves to be so unceasingly studied, and so
profoundly meditated upon as the Bible."
"Is it not that the Declaration of Independence first organized the social
compact on the Foundation of the Redeemer's mission upon earth? That it laid
the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of
Christianity?"
Abraham Lincoln:
"Unless the great God who assisted [President Washington], shall be with
me and aid me, I must fail. But if the same omniscient mind, and Almighty
arm, that directed and protected him, shall guide and support me, I shall
not fail ... Let us pray that the God of our fathers may not forsake us
now."
Grover Cleveland:
"All must admit that the reception of the teachings of Christ results in
the purest patriotism, in the most scrupulous fidelity to public trust, and
in the best type of citizenship."
Teddy Roosevelt:
"In this actual world, a churchless community, a community where men have
abandoned and scoffed at, or ignored their religious needs, is a community
on the rapid down-grade."
Woodrow Wilson:
"America was born a Christian nation. America was born to exemplify that
devotion to the elements of righteousness which are derived from the
revelations of the Holy Scripture."
Calvin Coolidge, speaking of the founding fathers:
"They were intent upon establishing a Christian commonwealth in accordance
with the principle of self-government. They were an inspired body of men. It
has been said that God sifted the nations that He might send choice grain
into the wilderness ... Who can fail to see it in the hand of Destiny? Who
can doubt that it has been guided by a Divine Providence?"
Benjamin Franklin
"Whoever will introduce into public affairs the principles of Christianity
will change the face of the world."
Mr. Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, one of the framers of the Constitution,
published his diary in which he said: "Dr. Benjamin Franklin, a venerable
figure weighted down by years and wisdom, leaned one hand op his staff, the
other on the table and said: "There is a greater menace to these United
States of America than the strictly Roman . . . This greater menace,
gentlemen, is the Jew!"
John F. Kennedy:
"The rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the
hand of God."
Gerald Ford, quoted a speech made by Dwight Eisenhower in 1955:
"Without God there could be no American form of government, nor an
American way of life. Recognition of the Supreme Being is the first--the
most basic--expression of Americanism. Thus, the founding fathers of America
saw it, and thus with God's help, it will continue to be."
The Supreme Court ruling in the case of McDaniel vs. Patyark back in 1978
should make clear that Christians still have the same rights as everyone
else whether we are or were a Christian nation or not:
"The Establishment Clause does not license government to treat religion,
and those who teach or practice it, simply by virtue of their status as
such, as subversive of American ideals and therefore subject to unique
disabilities ... In short, government may not as a goal promote
"safe-thinking" with respect to religion and fence out from political
participation those, such as ministers, whom it regards as over-involved in
religion. Religionists no less than members of any other group enjoy the
full measure of protection afforded speech, association, and political
activity generally. The Establishment Clause, properly understood, is a
shield against any attempt by government to inhibit religion ... it may not
be used as a sword to justify repression of religion or its adherents from
any aspect of public life."
Noah Webster
"No truth is more evident to my mind than that the Christian religion must
be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges
of a free people."
Gov. Morris
"Religion is the only solid basis for good morals; therefore education
should teach the precepts of religion, & the duties of man toward God."
* * *
Did the Founding Fathers Believe Christianity Was the Basis of
American Government?
Do you think our Founding Fathers believed in God and founded
America as a Christian nation? The Supreme Court answered this question in
1892 and cited fifty historical examples to prove America was indeed a
Christian nation. These are just a few:
Governor Bradford, in writing of the Pilgrims` landing, describes
their first act: "Being thus arrived in a good harbor and brought safe to
land, they fell upon their knees and blessed the God of heaven...."
The New England Charter, signed by King James 1, confirmed the goal
of the first settlers to be: "to advance the enlargement of Christian
religion, to the glory of God Almighty."
The goal of government based on Scripture was affirmed by individual
counties, such as is found in the Rhode Island Charter of 1683, which
begins: "We submit our persons, lives and estates unto our Lord Jesus
Christ, the King of kings and Lord of lords and to all those perfect and
most absolute laws of His given us in His holy Word."
Benjamin Franklin stood and addressed the Continental Congress with
these words: "In the beginning of the contest with Britain, when we were
sensible of danger, we had daily prayers in this room for divine protection.
Our prayers, sir, were heard and they were graciously answered. All of us
who were engaged in the struggle must have observed frequent instances of a
superintending Providence in our favor....Have we now forgotten this
powerful friend? Or do we imagine we no longer need His assistance?
I have lived, sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more
convincing proofs I see of this truth: that God governs in the affairs of
man. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it
probable that an empire can rise without His aid?"
George Washington, in his inaugural address to Congress as the first
president of the nation stated: "No people can be bound to acknowledge and
adore the invisible hand which conducts the affairs of men more than the
people of the United States. Every step by which they have advanced to the
character of an independent nation seems to have been distinguished by some
token of providential agency...."
One of George Washington`s first official acts was the first
Thanksgiving proclamation, which reads, "Whereas, it is the duty of all
nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to
be grateful for His benefits, and humbly implore His protection and
favor..." It goes on to call the nation to thankfulness to Almighty God.
Thomas Jefferson said: "Indeed, I tremble for my country when I
reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever."
President John Quincy Adams: "The first and almost the only book
deserving of universal attention is the Bible."
Andrew Jackson: "Go to the Scriptures...the joyful promises it
contains will be a balsam to all your troubles."
From President Abraham Lincoln`s Proclamation for a National Day of
Fasting, Humiliation, and Prayer, April 30, 1863: "We have been the
recipients of the choicest bounties of heaven. We have been preserved, these
many years, in peace and prosperity. We have grown in numbers, wealth and
power, as no other nation has ever grown.
But we have forgotten God. We have forgotten the gracious hand which
preserved us in peace, and multiplied and enriched and strengthened us; and
we have vainly imagined, in the deceitfulness of our hearts, that all these
blessings were produced by some superior wisdom and virtue of our own.
Intoxicated with undroken success, we have become too self- sufficient to
feel the necessity of redeeming and preserving grace, too proud to pray to
the God that made us! It behooves us, then, to humble ourselves before the
offended Power, to confess our national sins, and to pray for clemency and
forgiveness."
The Supreme Court Decision 1892---Church of the Holy Trinity Vs. The
United States: "Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon
and embody the teachings of The Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that
it should be otherwise; and in this sense and to this extent our
civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian....This is a
religious people. This is historically true."
President Woodrow Wilson: "...the Bible...is the one supreme source
of revelation of the meaning of life, the nature of God and spiritual nature
and need of men. It is the only guide of life which really leads the spirit
in the way of peace and salvation."
In spite of these statements, many people today say that the
Founding Fathers never intended for religious principles to be part of
public life or public affairs. They add: Doesn`t being a Christian nation
really threaten pluralism? Interestingly, the Founding Fathers discuss that
and they felt that it enhanced it.
Patrick Henery made a very clear statement: "It cannot be emphasized
too often or too strongly that this great nation was founded not by
religionists but by Christians; not on religions but on the gospel of Jesus
Christ....It is for this reason that people of other faiths have been
afforded asylum, prosperity and freedom of worship here."
It must be concluded that our Founding Fathers did believe in God
and founded America as a Christian nation.
John Knight
Christian Party
news:6dfe32b8.03121...@posting.google.com...
>
> Erica
It's amazing how many jews there are like Klein who don't have the first
clue about who the Israelites are, at the same time that they claim
(falsely) to be descendants of Abraham through Jacob.
Thanks for attempting to straighten him out.
John Knight
Christian Party
> //www.posse-comitatus.org/Bible_Studies/a_closer_look_at_the_seventh_co
> > m.htm
> >
> > http://members.fortunecity.com/zz8/bastard.htm
> >
> > http://www.christianseparatist.org/sixth/nothos.html
>
>
> A list of three collectivist websites dedicated to the propisition that if
> one isn't intelligent, that if one isn't talented,, that if one is
> "interesting" looking, that if one is immoral swine and that if one has
> nothing whatsoever - nothing at all - that distinguishes one fro any other
> collectivist, one can claim to be "white".
>
> Wow!
>
You wittle jew bwas are so cuuuuute when you try to act intelligent, and
critiqe Christians who ARE intelligent, while at the same time exposing your
abject ignorance by not even being able to spell "propisition".
Nobody really expects jews to be able to spell--nor does anyone expect you
to be able to comprehend a Holy Bible, written by the House of Israel, about
the House of Israel, for that House of Israel, that was not written for
jews.
John Knight
Christian Party
> On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:11:13 -0500, Bob LeChevalier
> <loj...@lojban.org> posted in alt.atheism:
>
> >"Christian Party" <christi...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>The Israelites in Ireland today speak the exact same Hebrew which
Jeremiah
> >>spoke then, but it's now called Gaelic.
>
> >Hilarious. Utterly hilarious. I should introduce you to someone I
> >know who speaks fluent Hebrew AND fluent Gaelic, and watch you try
> >your silliness on him.
>
> >There are no Israelites in Ireland. Celtic languages and Hebrew
> >aren't even in the same language family.
>
> >>Even after all these years, you
> >>still can't find a single Gaelic word which is different from the
original
> >>Hebrew word (as well as Phoenician, as all three languages are
identical).
>
> >ROTFLMAO.
>
> It's really side-spliitngly funny when someone who obviously doesn't
> know a thing about the subject expounds on it to people who do. Irish
> Gaelic (he probably doesn't even know that Gaelic is a group of
> languages) and Hebrew sound not at all alike.
> --
What some STUPID jew "thinks", or tries to "think", has utterly nothing to
do with God's Law, as you cannot change it no matter what you "think".
John Knight
Who are the Israelites to Whom Pertaineth the Adoption?
Not a single hair of the head of a single Israelite was harmed when the
Romans killed all the jews and destroyed the Temple in Jerusalem in 72 AD.
Why?
"who are Israelites; whose is the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the
giving of the law, the service, and the promises; of whom are the fathers,
and from whom is Christ as concerning the flesh, who is over all, God,
blessed forever. Amen", Romans 9:4-5
"Blessed be the Lord, the God of Israel," he said, "Because He has not
forgotten His people but has effected redemption for them", Luke 1:68
But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, having come
into being out of a woman, having come under the Torah, that He might redeem
the ones under the Torah, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Galatians 4:4-5
And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the
sinner appear?1 Peter 4:18
He said in reply, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of
Israel." Matthew 15:24
"These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the
way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But
go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach,
saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matthew 10:5-9
For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the
Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the
house of Judah, Hebrews 8:8
Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and said about him, "Behold, an Israelite
indeed, in whom is no deceit!" John 1:47
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man
love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 1John 2:15
I ask then, Did God reject his people? May it never be! For I also am an
Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin, Romans 11:1
"James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes
which are scattered abroad, greeting." James 1:1
For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my
kinsmen according to the flesh: Romans 9:3
Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the
covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the
promises; Romans 9:4
Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who
is over all, God blessed forever. Amen. Romans 9:5
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews,
and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before
thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Rev 3:9
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a.. Christ identifies the jews as mamzers.
b.. The "idols" in the Old Testament are mamzers.
c.. Fornication means miscegenation or interracial marriages.
d.. Pastor Ted Weiland on Galatians 3:28
e.. Pastor Sheldon Emry: AN OPEN LETTER TO ANY MINISTER WHO TEACHES "THE
JEWS ARE ISRAEL"
f.. Willie Martin
g.. Henry Ford: The International Jew
h.. Dr. Bertrand L. Comparet: ISRAEL'S FINGERPRINTS
i.. ALFRED M. LILIENTHAL Could You Be An Israelite And Not Know It?
j.. J. H. Allen: Judah's Sceptre and Joseph's Birthright.
k.. ARAB PERSPECTIVE: ABRAHAM & SARAH WERE NOT MOUSEKTEERS NOR JEWS
l.. Jeremiah the Bible Prophet's Cairn in Ireland.
m.. Joseph of Arimathea, Jesus' uncle, buried in Glastonbury.
n.. Israelites: our race is our nation.
o.. The Anglo Saxon (Isaac's Son) Chronicle.
p.. Lost Israel Found.
q.. The Scottish Declaration of Arborath: Scots are Israelites.
r.. British Israel World Federation.
s.. "The Word, the Dictionary That Reveals the Hebrew Source of English",
Isaac E. Mozeson.
t.. REALITY WEB RADIO
u.. The Plain Facts about:
a.. The "Modern Israel"
a.. The TALMUD.
b.. THE NOT SO HIDDEN AGENDA OF THE JEW
c.. THE ECONOMIC DEMISE AMERICA
d.. THE DESTRUCTION OF PERSONAL SAVINGS
e.. AMERICA'S MORAL DILEMMA & JEWS
f.. HOW JEWS LOOTED AMERICAN BANKS
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WHO DID CHRIST EXCLUDE?
House of Judah, jews, Edomites who are descendants of Esau whom God hated,
Arabs who are descendants of Abraham through his slave Hagar, Ammonites and
Moabites who are prohibited from the congregation of the LORD forever,
Egyptians, Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Jebusites, Amorites, Cushites,
Ashkenazis, Girgashites, Hivites, the third of the world's population who
follow the Koran and Buddha, the 1/6th of the world who are pagans in
Africa, the 1/6th of the world who are goddess worshipers in South America,
Shintos of Japan, the 1/6th of the world who are Hindus and Muslims in
India, and mamzers.
Christ came only for the portion of the descendants of Abraham through Jacob
who were of the ten northern tribes who are "as the sand of the sea, which
cannot be numbered for multitude" [Gen 32:12], which today is one billion
Israelites.
HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND HOUSE OF JUDAH
THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL The Tribes of Reuben, Gad, Aser, Naphtali, Manasses,
Simeon, Levi, Issachar, Zebulon, and Joseph
THE HOUSE OF JUDAH The Tribes of Judah and Benjamin
And when Rehoboam was come to Jerusalem, he assembled all the house of
Judah, with the tribe of Benjamin, a hundred and fourscore thousand chosen
men, which were warriors, to fight against the house of Israel, to bring the
kingdom again to Rehoboam the son of Solomon. 1Ki 12:21
THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL
The Tribes of Reuben, Gad, Aser, Naphtali, Manasses, Simeon, Levi,
Issachar, Zebulon, and Joseph
THE HOUSE OF JUDAH
The Tribes of Judah and Benjamin
JEWS DEMAND CHRIST BE CRUCIFIED
Mat 27:24 So when Pilate saw that he prevailed nothing, but rather that a
tumult was arising, he took water, and washed his hands before the
multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this righteous man; see ye
to it.
Mat 27:25 And all the people answered and said, His blood be on us, and on
our children.
Joh 18:36 Jesus said in answer, My kingdom is not of this world: if my
kingdom was of this world, my disciples would have made a good fight to keep
me out of the hands of the Jews: but my kingdom is not here.
Joh 19:38 Later Joseph from the city of Arimathea asked Pilate to let him
remove Jesus' body. (Joseph was a disciple of Jesus but secretly because he
was afraid of the Jews). Pilate gave him permission to remove Jesus' body.
So Joseph removed it.
CHRIST IDENTIFIES JEWS AS MAMZERS
I know that you are Abraham's seed, but you seek to kill Me, because My Word
is not given room in you. Joh 8:37
You do the works of your ancestor. They said to Him, We be not born of
miscegenation we have one ancestry, God of Abraham. John 8:41
Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a
Samaritan, and hast a devil? John 8:48
See jews and mamzers.
JEWS SACRIFICE THEIR CHILDREN
And they have built the high places of Tophet, which is in the valley of the
son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire; which I
commanded them not, neither came it into my heart. Jeremiah 7:31
CHRIST CONDEMNS THE JEWS FOR IMPOSING THEIR "TRADITIONS"
He answered them, "Why do you break the commandment of God because of your
traditions? For example, God said, 'Honor your father and your mother' and
'Whoever curses father or mother must be put to death.' Mat 15:3-4
CHRIST WAS AN ISRAELITE, NOT A "JEW"
Mary is of the House of Levi, so by no stretch of imagination could she be
called a jewess . Levi was given for the true priesthood from the days of
Aaron right on down to the present time; the ministry was called the
ministry of Yahweh "forever" Let us turn back to the hour of the birth of
Yahshua. This was in the days of Herod the King of Judea, and there was a
certain priest named Zacharias (his wife was Elisabeth the daughters of
Aaron). John the Baptist was born of Elisabeth, and Yahshua came forth from
the womb of Mary. Now Elisabeth and Mary were cousins, one family, and one
Household. In Luke 1:36 we read (as the angel addresses Mary): "And,
behold, thy cousin Elisabeth hath also conceived a son in her old age." Now
this will help us to understand. The priesthood of Aaron was continued in
the Levitical priesthood. This proves Mary was of the Household of Levi.
WHITE CHRISTIANS ARE ISRAELITES
There were 2-3 million Israelites with Moses when he led them out of Egypt,
so there should be at least 2 billion Israelites in the world today. As
there are only 15 million jews today, it's impossible that they could have
been the descendants of this many Israelites.
1.. Ephraim.....United States
2.. Asher.....Sweden
3.. Manasseh.....Great Britain
4.. Gad.......Italy
5.. Judah........Germany
6.. Reuben....Holland
7.. Simeon.......Spain
8.. Issachar..Finland
9.. Naphtali.....Norway
10.. Dan.......Denmark, Ireland, Scotland
11.. Zebulun......France
12.. Benjamin..Iceland
NOT A TITTLE OF THE TORAH
Do we then make void the Torah through faith? By no means: but we establish
the Torah, Romans 3:31
But heaven and earth will come to an end before the smallest tittle of the
Torah may be dropped out. Luke 16:16-17
Do not think that I am come to destroy the Torah, or the prophets. I am not
come to destroy, but to fully preach, Matthew 5:17
HOW ISRAELITES PRESERVED THEIR RACE FOR CENTURIES
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The New Testament on the Twelve Tribes of Israel
Rev 7:5 Of the tribe of Judah were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of
Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve
thousand.
Rev 7:6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of
Naphtali were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed
twelve thousand.
Rev 7:7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe
of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed
twelve thousand.
Rev 7:8 Of the tribe of Zebulun were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe
of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed
twelve thousand
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The Holy Bible refers to "Israel" or "Israelites" 2,322 times, and not one
time is this a reference to a "spiritual" Israelite. A careful examination
of the context of each Scripture will show this to be a reference to the
Genealogy of the descendants of Jacob. It will also show that jews are not
Israelites, and Israelites are not jews. The offspring of Israelites who
marry jews or "gentiles" [read: non-Israelites] are mamzers who are not to
be permitted into the Congregation of the Lord for the next ten generations:
"A mamzer shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his
tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD",
Deuteronomy 23:2
a.. See this graph from the Holy Bible of the genealogy of Israelites.
b.. Note the similarity of Horst Wessel's independently developed graph.
c.. Note the similarity with the following graph from a jewish web site.
SCRIPTURAL REFERENCES
Moses' prophecy on Israelites:
(Act 7:37) This is the Moses who said to the descendants of Israel, "'GOD
WILL RAISE UP A PROPHET FOR YOU, FROM AMONG YOUR BRETHREN, JUST AS HE RAISED
ME UP.'
Jesus Christ on Israelites:
(Mat 10:5) Jesus sent out these twelve after instructing them thus, "Do not
go into pagan territory or enter a Samaritan town.
(Mat 10:6) Go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
(Mat 15:24) He said in reply, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the
house of Israel."
(Luk 1:16) Many of the descendants of Israel will he turn to the Lord their
God;
(Joh 1:47) Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and said about him, "Behold,
an Israelite indeed, in whom is no deceit!"
Joh 1:49 "Rabbi," cried Nathanael, "you are the Son of God, you are Israel's
King!"
(Act 1:6) Once when they were with Him, they asked Him, "Master, is this the
time at which you are about to restore the kingdom of Israel?"
(Act 2:36) "Therefore let the whole House of Israel know beyond all doubt
that God has made Him both LORD and CHRIST--this Jesus whom you crucified."
Israelites become slaves of Cushites:
(Jdg 3:8) Therefore the anger of Yahweh was kindled against Israel, and he
sold them into the hand of Cushan Rishathaim king of Mesopotamia: and the
children of Israel served Cushan Rishathaim eight years.
(Jdg 3:9) When the children of Israel cried to Yahweh, Yahweh raised up a
savior to the children of Israel, who saved them, even Othniel the son of
Kenaz, Caleb's younger brother.
(Jdg 3:10) The Spirit of Yahweh came on him, and he judged Israel; and he
went out to war, and Yahweh delivered Cushan Rishathaim king of Mesopotamia
into his hand: and his hand prevailed against Cushan Rishathaim.
(Jdg 3:11) The land had rest forty years. Othniel the son of Kenaz died.
(Jdg 3:12) The children of Israel again did that which was evil in the sight
of Yahweh: and Yahweh strengthened Eglon the king of Moab against Israel,
because they had done that which was evil in the sight of Yahweh.
(Jdg 3:13) He gathered to him the children of Ammon and Amalek; and he went
and struck Israel, and they possessed the city of palm trees.
(Jdg 3:14) The children of Israel served Eglon the king of Moab eighteen
years.
Israelites in the land of Ham:
(Psa 105:23) Israel also came into Egypt. Jacob sojourned in the land of
Ham.
(Psa 105:24) He increased his people greatly, And made them stronger than
their adversaries.
(Psa 105:25) He turned their heart to hate his people, To conspire against
his servants.
Israelites at war with Gog:
(Eze 38:16) and you shall come up against my people Israel, as a cloud to
cover the land: it shall happen in the latter days, that I will bring you
against my land, that the nations may know me, when I shall be sanctified in
you, Gog, before their eyes.
(Eze 38:17) Thus says the Lord Yahweh: Are you he of whom I spoke in old
time by my servants the prophets of Israel, who prophesied in those days for
many years that I would bring you against them?
(Eze 38:18) It shall happen in that day, when Gog shall come against the
land of Israel, says the Lord Yahweh, that my wrath shall come up into my
nostrils.
(Eze 38:19) For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken,
Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;
(Eze 38:20) so that the fish of the sea, and the birds of the sky, and the
animals of the field, and all creeping things who creep on the earth, and
all the men who are on the surface of the earth, shall shake at my presence,
and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and
every wall shall fall to the ground.
Israel and Judah have two different kings:
(1Ki 22:10) Now the king of Israel and Jehoshaphat the king of Judah were
sitting each on his throne, arrayed in their robes, in an open place at the
entrance of the gate of Samaria; and all the prophets were prophesying
before them.
Israelites at war with Syrians:
(1Ki 22:30) The king of Israel said to Jehoshaphat, I will disguise myself,
and go into the battle; but put you on your robes. The king of Israel
disguised himself, and went into the battle.
(1Ki 22:31) Now the king of Syria had commanded the thirty-two captains of
his chariots, saying, Fight neither with small nor great, save only with the
king of Israel.
Paul was an Israelite:
(Rom 11:1) I ask then, Did God reject his people? May it never be! For I
also am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Israelites are dispersed:
Exo 9:7 And Pharaoh sent and got word that there was no loss of any of the
cattle of Israel. But the heart of Pharaoh was hard and he did not let the
people go.
Lev 23:42 For seven days you will be living in tents; all those who are
Israelites by birth are to make tents their living-places: Lev 23:43 So that
future generations may keep in mind how I gave the children of Israel tents
as their living-places when I took them out of the land of Egypt: I am the
Lord your God.
Num 25:14 Now the man of Israel who was put to death with the woman of
Midian was Zimri, the son of Salu, a chief of one of the families of the
Simeonites.
Jos 3:17 And the priests who took up the ark of the agreement of the Lord
kept their places, with their feet on dry land in the middle of Jordan,
while all Israel went over on dry land, till all the nation had gone over
Jordan.
Jos 8:24 Then, after the destruction of all the people of Ai in the field
and in the waste land where they went after them, and when all the people
had been put to death without mercy, all Israel went back to Ai, and put to
death all who were in it without mercy.
Jos 13:6 All the people of the hill-country from Lebanon to Misrephoth-maim,
all the Zidonians; them will I send out from before the children of Israel:
only make division of it to Israel for a heritage, as I have given you
orders to do.
Jdg 20:21 Then the children of Benjamin came out from Gibeah, cutting down
twenty-two thousand of the Israelites that day.
1Sa 2:14 This he put into the pot, and everything which came up on the hook
the priest took for himself. This they did in Shiloh to all the Israelites
who came there.
1Sa 13:20 But all the Israelites had to go to the Philistines to get their
ploughs and blades and axes and hooks made sharp;
1Sa 25:1 And death came to Samuel; and all Israel came together, weeping for
him, and put his body in its resting-place in his house at Ramah. Then David
went down to the waste land of Maon.
1Sa 29:1 Now the Philistines got all their army together at Aphek: and the
Israelites put their forces in position by the fountain in Jezreel.
2Sa 4:1 And when Saul's son Ish-bosheth had news that Abner was dead in
Hebron, his hands became feeble, and all the Israelites were troubled.
2Ki 3:24 But when they came to the tents of Israel, the Israelites came out
and made a violent attack on the Moabites, so that they went in flight
before them; and they went forward still attacking them;
1Ch 9:2 Now the first to take up their heritage in their towns were: Israel,
the priests, the Levites, and the Nethinim.
Joh 1:47 Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him and said of him, See, here is a
true son of Israel in whom there is nothing false.
Rom 9:4 Who are Israelites: who have the place of sons, and the glory, and
the agreements with God, and the giving of the law, and the worship, and the
hope offered by God:
Rom 11:1 I say then, Did God cast off his people? God forbid. For I also am
an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2Co 11:22 Are they Hebrews? so am I. Are they Israelites? so am I. Are they
the seed of Abraham? so am I.
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Scriptural Analysis
Jesus Christ never, ever stated that He was a jew. Pontias Pilate asked Him
if He was King of the jews, and His reply was:
John 18:34 Jesus answered, "Do you say this of your own accord, or did
others say it to you about me?"
Does that sound like a "yes" to you? No. When Pilate found out He wasn't
even from Judaea, but instead was from Galilee, he had to send Him to King
Herod, because Pilate didn't have jurisdiction over Galilee:
Luke 23:7 And when he learned that he belonged to Herod's jurisdiction, he
sent Him over to Herod, who was himself in Jerusalem at that time.
The Samaritan woman knew that He was not a Samaritan, and because His
disciples had gone to Jerusalem, she just assumed that He was one of the
jews associated with the Temple:
John 4:9 The Samaritan woman said to him, "How is it that you, a Jew, ask a
drink of me, a woman of Samar'ia?" For Jews have no dealings with
Samaritans.
If Jesus Christ WAS a jew, He wouldn't have been talking to her, because
"Jews have no dealings with Samaritans".
Christ furthermore stated that He came ONLY for the Israelites, and He
instructed his Twelve Disciples to go ONLY to Israelites:
He said in reply, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of
Israel." Matthew 15:24
"These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the
way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But
go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach,
saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matthew 10:5-9
The ONLY people who qualify as "lost sheep of the house of Israel" are
descendants of Jacob, who are Israelites. Jews are not descendants of Jacob,
so Jesus could not possibly be advising His Disciples to preach to jews, but
instead told them to steer clear of "Gentiles" [who to an Israelite means
jews], and Samaritans.
Israelites are referred to throughout the Holy Bible, from Genesis to 2
Corinthinians:
Gen 32:32 Therefore to this day the Israelites do not eat the sinew of the
hip which is upon the hollow of the thigh, because he touched the hollow of
Jacob's thigh on the sinew of the hip.
2Co 11:22 Are they Hebrews? So am I. Are they Israelites? So am I. Are they
descendants of Abraham? So am I.
This last reference is the Apostle Paul telling his audience that he is a
Hebrew, an Israelite, and a descendant of Abraham, which NO jew has EVER
been, nor could they ever be by the nature of who an Israelite is. When Paul
said "I became AS a jew" he was referring to his tutelage under the Pharisee
Gamaliel, something he rejected as soon as he discovered how vile the jews
were. If he HAD been a jew, what need would there have been to become AS a
jew, because he would have already BEEN a jew?:
1Co 9:20 To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews; to those under
the law I became as one under the law--though not being myself under the
law--that I might win those under the law.
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Jos 13:7 Now therefore divide this land for an inheritance unto the nine
tribes, and the half tribe of Manasseh,
Jos 13:8 With whom the Reubenites and the Gadites have received their
inheritance, which Moses gave them, beyond Jordan eastward, even as Moses
the servant of the LORD gave them;
Jos 13:9 From Aroer, that is upon the bank of the river Arnon, and the
city that is in the midst of the river, and all the plain of Medeba unto
Dibon;
Jos 13:10 And all the cities of Sihon king of the Amorites, which reigned
in Heshbon, unto the border of the children of Ammon;
Jos 13:11 And Gilead, and the border of the Geshurites and Maachathites,
and all mount Hermon, and all Bashan unto Salcah;
Jos 13:12 All the kingdom of Og in Bashan, which reigned in Ashtaroth and
in Edrei, who remained of the remnant of the giants: for these did Moses
smite, and cast them out.
Jos 13:13 Nevertheless the children of Israel expelled not the Geshurites,
nor the Maachathites: but the Geshurites and the Maachathites dwell among
the Israelites until this day.
Jos 13:14 Only unto the tribe of Levi he gave none inheritance; the
sacrifices of the LORD God of Israel made by fire are their inheritance, as
he said unto them.
Jos 13:15 And Moses gave unto the tribe of the children of Reuben
inheritance according to their families.
Jos 13:16 And their coast was from Aroer, that is on the bank of the river
Arnon, and the city that is in the midst of the river, and all the plain by
Medeba;
Jos 13:17 Heshbon, and all her cities that are in the plain; Dibon, and
Bamoth-baal, and Beth-baal-meon,
Jos 13:18 And Jahazah, and Kedemoth, and Mephaath,
Jos 13:19 And Kirjathaim, and Sibmah, and Zareth-shahar in the mount of
the valley,
Jos 13:20 And Beth-peor, and Ashdoth-pisgah, and Beth-jeshimoth,
Jos 13:21 And all the cities of the plain, and all the kingdom of Sihon
king of the Amorites, which reigned in Heshbon, whom Moses smote with the
princes of Midian, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, which were
dukes of Sihon, dwelling in the country.
Jos 13:22 Balaam also the son of Beor, the soothsayer, did the children of
Israel slay with the sword among them that were slain by them.
Jos 13:23 And the border of the children of Reuben was Jordan, and the
border thereof. This was the inheritance of the children of Reuben after
their families, the cities and the villages thereof.
Jos 13:24 And Moses gave inheritance unto the tribe of Gad, even unto the
children of Gad according to their families.
Jos 13:25 And their coast was Jazer, and all the cities of Gilead, and
half the land of the children of Ammon, unto Aroer that is before Rabbah;
Jos 13:26 And from Heshbon unto Ramath-mizpeh, and Betonim; and from
Mahanaim unto the border of Debir;
Jos 13:27 And in the valley, Beth-aram, and Beth-nimrah, and Succoth, and
Zaphon, the rest of the kingdom of Sihon king of Heshbon, Jordan and his
border, even unto the edge of the sea of Chinnereth on the other side Jordan
eastward.
Jos 13:28 This is the inheritance of the children of Gad after their
families, the cities, and their villages.
Jos 13:29 And Moses gave inheritance unto the half tribe of Manasseh: and
this was the possession of the half tribe of the children of Manasseh by
their families.
Jos 13:30 And their coast was from Mahanaim, all Bashan, all the kingdom
of Og king of Bashan, and all the towns of Jair, which are in Bashan,
threescore cities:
Jos 13:31 And half Gilead, and Ashtaroth, and Edrei, cities of the kingdom
of Og in Bashan, were pertaining unto the children of Machir the son of
Manasseh, even to the one half of the children of Machir by their families.
Jos 13:32 These are the countries which Moses did distribute for
inheritance in the plains of Moab, on the other side Jordan, by Jericho,
eastward.
Jos 13:33 But unto the tribe of Levi Moses gave not any inheritance: the
LORD God of Israel was their inheritance, as he said unto them.
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"Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those
that rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them
mine enemies", Psalms 139:21-22
"Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the
person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness
shalt thou judge thy neighbor", Leviticus 19:15
"Ye shall not respect persons in judgment; but ye shall hear the small as
well as the great; ye shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the
judgment is God's: and the cause that is too hard for you, bring it unto me,
and I will hear it", Deuteronomy 1:17
"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship
hath righteousness with unrighteousness?" 2 Corinthians 6:14
"Now we command you, brethren, on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye
withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not
after the tradition which he received of us", 2 Thessalonians 3:6
Christian Party
"Bob LeChevalier" <loj...@lojban.org> wrote in message
news:dp2ftvstjm8i11mj8...@4ax.com...
> "Christian Party" <christi...@cox.net> wrote:
> >The Israelites in Ireland today speak the exact same Hebrew which
Jeremiah
> >spoke then, but it's now called Gaelic.
>
> Hilarious. Utterly hilarious. I should introduce you to someone I
> know who speaks fluent Hebrew AND fluent Gaelic, and watch you try
> your silliness on him.
>
> There are no Israelites in Ireland. Celtic languages and Hebrew
> aren't even in the same language family.
>
> >Even after all these years, you
> >still can't find a single Gaelic word which is different from the
original
> >Hebrew word (as well as Phoenician, as all three languages are
identical).
>
> ROTFLMAO.
>
> lojbab
You know less than nothing about either Hebrew or Gaelic, nor do you realize
that all of the modern Israelite languages are derived from Hebrew, not
Latin, or Greek.
There were 2-3 million Israelites with Moses when he led them out of Egypt,
so there should be at least 2 billion Israelites in the world today. As
there are only 15 million jews today, it's impossible that they could have
been the descendants of this many Israelites.
1.. Ephraim.....United States
2.. Asher.....Sweden
3.. Manasseh.....Great Britain
4.. Gad.......Italy
5.. Judah........Germany
6.. Reuben....Holland
7.. Simeon.......Spain
8.. Issachar..Finland
9.. Naphtali.....Norway
10.. Dan.......Denmark, Ireland, Scotland
11.. Zebulun......France
12.. Benjamin..Iceland
John Knight
Christian Party
"Cary Kittrell" <ca...@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:br83gs$7g8$1...@oasis.ccit.arizona.edu...
There were 197 successive kings of Ireland, something that must have spanned
3,000 to 4,000 years, so maybe Hebrew was derived from Gaelic, rather than
the other way around, eh?
But back to akathartos pneuma:
Akathartos & Akatharsia: Mongrels & Mongrelization
Mar 3:28-30
Verily I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven to
the sons of men: but the blasphemy against the holy spirit shall not be
forgiven unto men,
But he that shall blaspheme against the holy spirit hath never forgiveness,
but is in danger of eternal damnation: Because they said, He hath an unclean
spirit. [KJV]
But he that shall blaspheme against the holy spirit hath never forgiveness,
but is in danger of eternal damnation: Because they said, He hath an
akathartos pneuma. [original Greek]
But he that shall blaspheme against the holy spirit hath never forgiveness,
but is in danger of eternal damnation: Because they said, He has a
mongrelized soul.
But he that shall blaspheme against the holy spirit hath never forgiveness,
but is in danger of eternal damnation: Because they said, He is a
mongrelized spirit.
But he that shall blaspheme against the holy spirit hath never forgiveness,
but is in danger of eternal damnation: Because they said, He is a mongrel.
See also holy spirit.
All mongrels, not just jews, are a threat to the security and tranquility of
all Israelites, everywhere in the world. It's blasphemy of the holy spirit
for them to insult God's holy people for upholding God's law which requires
us to keep the races separate, just as God commanded.
Akathartos pneuma are people who occupy Babylon, Tyre, Sidon, the country of
the Gadarenes, who could not be bound in chains, who were driven into the
wilderness, who could not find rest, who were dumb and deaf, who made up a
Roman legion, who were drowned in the sea with a herd of swine, who came out
of the mouth of beasts like frogs, and who it is blasphemy of the holy
spirit for the jews to accuse Christ of being. Akathartos is an antonym of
holy [read: set apart] which must mean not set apart [read: integrated], a
man who unites with one of another race, and an animal that Israelites
should not eat. Akatharsia is an antonym to holiness [read: not set apart,
so it means integrated], what Christ accused the Pharisees of being full of,
a dishonor to your own body [read: race], what Paul exhorted his fellow
Israelites to not be, and something that saints are not to be.
Acts 10:28 And he said to them, You know how unlawful it is for a man, a
Jew, to unite with or to come near to one of another race. Yet God showed to
me not to call a man koinos or akathartos.
... unlawful ... to unite with ... one of another race ... akathartos.
Acts 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any [animal]
that is koinos or akathartos.
Mar 3:28-30 Verily I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be
forgiven to the sons of men: but the blasphemy against the holy spirit shall
not be forgiven unto men, But he that shall blaspheme against the holy
spirit hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
Because they said, He hath an akathartos pneuma.
Because3754 they said,3004 He hath2192 an unclean169 spirit.4151
The Greek word echo from which hath is translated also appears as art [or
"is" in modern English]:
Joh 8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old,
and hast thou seen Abraham?
Translating echo as art rather than hath changes the allegation by the
jews from something that Christ possesed to something that He was:
Because they said, He art an akathartos pneuma.
Because they said, He is an akathartos pneuma.
The following Scriptures further illustrate that an akathartos pneuma was
an undesirable person or object rather than a bad mental attitude, flawed
character trait, or some unspecified evil possessed by Christ:
Mar 3:11 And ahathartos pneuma, when they saw him, fell down before him, and
cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God.
Mar 5:2-3 And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him
out of the tombs a man with an akahtartos pneuma, Who had his dwelling among
the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the
great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the
guardian of every akathartos pneuma, and a guardian of every akahtartos and
hateful bird.
Mar 5:8-9 For he said unto them, depart from the men, thou akathartos
pneuma. And he asked them, What is thy authority? And they answered,
saying, Our authority is Legion: and we are many.
Luke 8:29 (For he had commanded the akathartos pneuma to come out from the
men. For oftentimes they had caught him: and he was kept bound with chains
and in fetters; and he broke the bands, and they drove the devil into the
wilderness.)
Revelations 16:13 And I saw three akathartos pneuma like frogs come out of
the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the
mouth of the false prophet.
1Co 7:14 For the unholy husband has been made holy by the wife, and the
unholy wife has been made holy by the husband: else were your children
akathartos; but now are they holy.
1Th 4:7 For God hath not called us unto akatharsia, but unto holiness.
Romans 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your
flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to akatharsia and to
iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to
righteousness unto holiness.
Mat 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like
unto whited sepulchers, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are full
of dead bones and akatharsia.
2Co 12:21 And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and
that I shall mourn for many who have sinned already, and have not repented
from akatharsia and fornication and lasciviousness which they have
committed.
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Acts 10:28
And he said to them, You know how unlawful it is for a man, a Jew, to
unite with or to come near to one of another race. Yet God showed to me not
to call a man common or unclean. [LITV]
I should not call3004 any3367 man444 common2839 or2228 unclean.169
G2839
koinos
koy-nos'
Probably from G4862; common, that is, (literally) shared by all or
several, or (ceremonially) profane: - common, defiled, unclean, unholy.
Act 11:9 But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath
cleansed, call not thou koinos.
G169
akathartos
ak-ath'-ar-tos
From G1 (as a negative particle) and a presumed derivative of G2508
(meaning cleansed); impure (ceremonially, morally (lewd) or specifically
(demonic)): - foul, unclean.
And he said to them, You know how unlawful it is for a man, a Jew, to
unite with or to come near to one of another race. Yet God showed to me not
to call a man common or akathartos.
Even though Peter is saying here that he shouldn't call a jew who unites
with another race "koinos" or "akathartos", it's obvious that either or both
words are nouns which refer either to someone who simply comes into contact
with another race, sexual liaison with another race, or the offspring of
such a sexual liaison (who in Hebrew is called mamzer).
And he said to them, You know how unlawful it is for a man, a Jew, to
unite with or to come near to one of another race. Yet God showed to me not
to call a man koinos or akathartos.
And he said to them, You know how unlawful it is for a man, a Jew, to
unite with or to come near to one of another race. Yet God showed to me not
to call a man defiled or a race mixer.
And he said to them, You know how unlawful it is for a man, a Jew, to
unite with or to come near to one of another race. Yet God showed to me not
to call a man defiled or a mongrel.
Acts 10:14
But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is
common or unclean.
I have never3762 eaten5315 any thing3956 that is common2839 or2228
unclean.169
What is "common or unclean" in this sense?
Act 10:12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and
wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
Peter confirms that "akathartos" is a noun which refers to the actual
offspring of mongrelized four footed animals, beasts of the field, creeping
things, and birds, rather than mere contact with another race, or just the
sexual liaison which created them. It cannot be a reference to moral
impurity, because four footed beasts just cannot ever be described as being
morally impure, nor having an "unclean spirit" in the spiritual sense. It
must be a reference to genealogical purity, or in the case of man or Christ,
racial purity.
But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is
defiled or a mongrel.
But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is
impure or mongrelized.
Rev 18:2
And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is
fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of
every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
and2532 the hold5438 of every3956 foul169 spirit,4151 and2532 a cage5438
of every3956 unclean169 and2532 hateful3404 bird.3732
And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is
fallen, is fallen, and has become the habitation of demons, and the guardian
of all akathartos pneuma, and the guardian of every akathartos, and hated
foul.
And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is
fallen, is fallen, and has become the habitation of demons, and the guardian
of all mongrelized souls, and the guardian of every mamzer, and hated foul.
Thus akathartos is also an adjective which often qualifies pneuma, which in
this Scripture has a negative connotation.
1Co 7:14
For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving
wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now
are they holy.
For the unholy husband has been made holy by the wife, and the unholy wife
has been made holy by the husband: else were your children mamzers; but now
are they holy.
From this Scripture we can see that akathartos and holy are antonyms. Since
the original meaning of holy or kodesh can be either negative or positive,
and means set apart, separate, or segregated from the people of the land,
akathartos must mean the opposite, or mongrel, mamzer, or integrated with
the people of the land. The following Scripture reveals that akatharsia is
a noun which means unholiness or mongrelization, or the act of creating
akathartos [read: mamzers]:
1Th 4:7
For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness. [KJV]
G167
akatharsia
ak-ath-ar-see'-ah
From G169; impurity (the quality), physically or morally: - uncleanness.
For God hath not called us unto mongrelization, but unto holiness.
Akartharsia is the behavior of mongrelization or miscegenation which leads
to the creation of akathartos, who are mongrels or mamzers. Christ
condemned the Pharisees for committing blasphemy against the holy spirit,
the only unforgivable sin, for calling him a mamzer. Paul confirms this
observation in the following Scripture by equating akathartos with "come
unto one of another race":
2Co 6:17
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord,
and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. [KJV]
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord,
and touch not the mamzers; and I will receive you.
In other words, if we simply touch the mamzers, much less if we don't
separate from them, the Lord will NOT receive us.
Note that "thing" is italicized, which means that the KJV translators
arbitrarily added a word to distract attention from the fact that in this
sentence akathartos is a noun rather than an adjective. The effect is to
make us believe that this Scripture refers to an inanimate object rather
than people who are highly objectionable to both God and Israelites.
Romans 6:19
I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh:
for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity
unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto
holiness. [KJV]
I speak after the manner of men because of the weakness of your race: for
even you have delivered your members as slaves to mamzers, and iniquity unto
iniquity. So now deliver your members as slaves to equity unto separation.
Isaiah 57:3-5
But draw near hither, ye sons of the sorceress, the seed of the adulterer
and the whore. Against whom do ye sport yourselves? against whom make ye a
wide mouth, and draw out the tongue? are ye not children of transgression, a
seed of falsehood, Inflaming yourselves with idols under every green tree,
slaying the children in the valleys under the clefts of the rocks?
Joh 8:41
Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of
fornication; we have one Father, even God. [KJV]
Ye do the deeds of your ancestor. Then said they to him, We be not born of
miscegenation; we have one ancestor, God [of Abraham]
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Mat 10:1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them
power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of
sickness and all manner of disease.
And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power
to cast out mamzers, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of
disease.
Mat 12:43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through
dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
When a mamzer is gone from men, he walketh through dry places, seeking
rest, and findeth none.
Mat 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like
unto whited sepulchers, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are
within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto
whited sepulchers, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within
full of dead bones, each one a mamzer.
Mar 1:23 And there was in their synagogue a man with an unclean spirit; and
he cried out,
And there was in their synagogue among the men a mamzer; and he cried out,
Mar 1:26 And when the unclean spirit had torn him, and cried with a loud
voice, he came out of him.
And when the mamzer had rent from them, he cried with a loud voice and
departed from them.
Mar 1:27 And they were all amazed, insomuch that they questioned among
themselves saying, What thing is this? what new doctrine is this? for with
authority commandeth he even the unclean spirits, and they do obey him.
And they were all amazed, insomuch that they questioned among themselves
saying, What thing is this? what new doctrine is this? for with authority
commandeth he even the mamzers, and they do obey him.
Mar 3:11 And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and
cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God.
And mamzers, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying,
Thou art the Son of God.
Mar 5:2 And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out
of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,
And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him among the
sepulchres men with a mamzer,
Mar 5:8-9 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.
And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is
Legion: for we are many.
For he said unto them, depart from the men, thou mamzers. And he asked
them, What is thy authority? And they answered, saying, Our authority is
Legion: for we are many. [you bet, a legion was 6,100 foot soldiers and 726
horsemen]
Mar 5:13 And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went
out, and entered into the herd of swine: and the herd ran violently down a
steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand;) and were choked in
the sea.
And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the mamzers went out, and entered
into the herd of swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into
the sea, (they were about two thousand;) and drowned in the sea.
Luk 8:29 (For he had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man.
For oftentimes it had caught him: and he was kept bound with chains and in
fetters; and he broke the bands, and was driven of the devil into the
wilderness.)
Luk 8:30 And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion:
because many devils were entered into him.
Luk 8:31 And they besought him that he would not command them to go out into
the deep.
Luk 8:32 And there was there an herd of many swine feeding on the mountain:
and they besought him that he would suffer them to enter into them. And he
suffered them.
Luk 8:33 Then went the devils out of the man, and entered into the swine:
and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the lake, and were
choked.
(For he had commanded the mamzers to depart from the men. For oftentimes
they had caught them: and they were kept bound with chains and in fetters;
and they broke the bands, and were driven of the devil into the wilderness.)
And Jesus asked them, saying, What is thy name? And they said, Legion:
because [note definition of legion above and strike "many devils were
entered into him" completely. This is an entire Roman legion]. And they
besought him that he would not command them to go out into the deep. And
there was there an herd of many swine feeding on the mountain: and they
besought him that he would suffer them to enter into them. And he suffered
them. Then the devils departed from the men, and entered into the swine: and
the herd ran violently down a steep place into the lake, and were choked.
Mar 6:7 And he called unto him the twelve, and began to send them forth by
two and two; and gave them power over unclean spirits;
And he called the twelve, and began to send them out by two and two; and
gave them power over mamzers;
Mar 7:25 For a certain woman, whose young daughter had an unclean spirit,
heard of him, and came and fell at his feet:
For a woman whose young daughter was a mamzer, heard of him, and came and
fell at his feet:
Mar 9:25 When Jesus saw that the people came running together, he rebuked
the foul spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee,
come out of him, and enter no more into him.
When Jesus saw that the people came running together, he rebuked the
mamzer, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf soul, I charge thee, depart from
here, and enter no more here.
Luk 4:33 And in the synagogue there was a man, which had a spirit of an
unclean devil, and cried out with a loud voice,
And in the synagogue there was a man, who was a mamzer, and cried out with
a loud voice
Luk 4:36 And they were all amazed, and spake among themselves, saying, What
a word is this! for with authority and power he commandeth the unclean
spirits, and they come out.
And they were all amazed, and spake among themselves, saying, What a word
is this! for with authority and power he commandeth the mamzers, and they
depart
Luk 6:18 And they that were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were
healed.
And they that were afflicted with mamzers: and they were cured.
Luk 8:29 (For he had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man.
For oftentimes it had caught him: and he was kept bound with chains and in
fetters; and he broke the bands, and was driven of the devil into the
wilderness.)
(For he had commanded the mamzer to depart from the men. For oftentimes it
had caught him: and he was kept bound with chains and in fetters; and he
broke the bands, and drove the devil into the wilderness.)
Luk 9:42 And as he was yet a coming, the devil threw him down, and tore him.
And Jesus rebuked the unclean spirit, and healed the child, and delivered
him again to his father.
And as he was yet a coming, the devil threw him down, and tore him. And
Jesus rebuked the mamzer, and healed the child, and delivered him again to
his father.
Luk 11:24 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through
dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my
house whence I came out.
When the mamzer departed from the men, he walketh through dry places,
seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence
I came out.
Act 5:16 There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto
Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them which were vexed with unclean
spirits: and they were healed every one.
There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem,
bringing sick folks, and them which were vexed with mamzers: and they were
healed every one.
Act 8:7 For unclean spirits, crying with loud voice, came out of many that
were possessed with them: and many taken with palsies, and that were lame,
were healed.
For mamzers, crying with loud voice, departed from the multitude: and many
taken with palsies, and that were lame, were healed.
Act 11:8 But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any
time entered into my mouth.
But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or mongrelized hath at any
time entered into my mouth.
Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of
their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves:
Wherefore God Himself exiled the mamzers who, through the lusts of their
own hearts, had dishonored their own race by themselves:
2Co 12:21 And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and
that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of
the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have
committed.
And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I
shall mourn for many who have sinned already, and have not repented from
mongrelization and miscegenation and lasciviousness which they have
committed.
Eph 4:19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto
lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
Who being calloused have given themselves over unto insolence, to greedily
profit from mongrelization.
Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor
covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of
Christ and of God.
For this ye know, that no race mixer, nor mongrel, nor covetous man, who
is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Col 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth;
fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and
covetousness, which is idolatry:
Put to death therefore any of your members in the land for; fornication,
mongrelization, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness,
which is idolatry:
1Th 2:3 For our exhortation was not of deceit, nor of uncleanness, nor in
guile:
For our exhortation was not of deceit, nor of mongrelization, nor in
deceit:
Does akathartos ever mean "unclean spirit" as almost all translators since
KJV have presumed? Consider Mat 12:43: where not one single one of the
following translators detected the real meaning of akathartos:
(ASV) But the unclean spirit, when he is gone out of the man, passeth
through waterless places, seeking rest, and findeth it not.
(BBE) But the unclean spirit, when he is gone out of a man, goes through dry
places looking for rest, and getting it not.
(CEV) When an evil spirit leaves a person, it travels through the desert,
looking for a place to rest. But when the demon doesn't find a place,
(Darby) But when the unclean spirit has gone out of the man, he goes through
dry places, seeking rest, and does not find it .
(DRB) And when an unclean spirit is gone out of a man he walketh through dry
places seeking rest, and findeth none.
(GB) Nowe when the vncleane spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh
throughout drie places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
(GNB) "When an evil spirit goes out of a person, it travels over dry country
looking for a place to rest. If it can't find one,
(KJV) When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry
places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
(KJV+) When3752 the3588 unclean169 spirit4151 is gone1831 out of575 a
man,444 he walketh1330 through1223 dry504 places,5117 seeking2212 rest,372
and2532 findeth2147 none.3756
(KJVA) When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry
places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
(LITV) But when the unclean spirit goes from a man, he goes through dry
places seeking rest and does not find it.
(RSV) "When the unclean spirit has gone out of a man, he passes through
waterless places seeking rest, but he finds none.
(WEB) But the unclean spirit, when he is gone out of the man, passes through
waterless places, seeking rest, and doesn't find it.
(YLT) `And, when the unclean spirit may go forth from the man, it doth walk
through dry places seeking rest, and doth not find;
How many experts overlooked the REAL meaning of atharkotos without ever
even stopping to consider how silly the following Scripture sounds:
Mat 12:43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through
dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
Mat 12:44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out;
and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
Mat 12:45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more
wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state
of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this
wicked generation.
Here is what this Scripture REALLY means:
When the mamzer is gone out from the men, he walketh through dry places,
seeking rest, and findeth none. Then he saith, I will return into my house
from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and
garnished. Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other souls more
wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last of
those men is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked
race.
What kind of "sickness" and "disease" could 12 disciples untrained in
medicine, with no medical supplies and even less medicine, possibly heal.
How often was it really necessary to cast devils out of Israelites? No
wonder the jews wanted Him to be crucified--He was tossing mamzers like them
out of the community by the boatloads:
Mat 10:1 And when he had called unto [him] his twelve disciples, he gave
them power [against] unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all
manner of sickness and all manner of disease.
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Only from the context of Scripture like 1 Corinthinians 7:14 and 1
Thessalonians 4:7 can it become obvious what has been done to this word by
the KJV translators, and the Catholic Church who accepted the Masoretic
Text:
"otherwise your children are unclean [akathartos], but now they are holy".
"For God hath not called us unto uncleanness [akatharsia], but unto
holiness".
We see from these sentences that the opposites of holy and holiness [read:
set apart, separate] are akathartos and akatharsia, here translated as
"unclean" and "uncleanness". Once it's established that akathartos and holy
are antonyms, it's easier to decipher the following Scripture where it
appears twice, once as a noun,"foul spirit", and once as a pronoun,
'unclean":
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the
great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the
hold of every foul spirit, [akathartos] and a cage of every unclean
[akathartos] and hateful bird.
Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her
fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her,
and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her
delicacies.
The real context cannot be revealed until the other words are put into their
proper perspective:
And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is
fallen, is fallen, and became the habitation of demons, and the guardian of
all mongrelized souls, and the guardian of every mongrel, and hated foul.
For all races are drunk from the wine of the fierceness of their
miscegenation, and the kings of the land have miscegenated with them, and
the merchants of the land are enriched because of the abundance of these
delicacies.
It's obvious here that mongrelization and mamzers are unholy, the opposite
of God's holy people. "Hateful birds" could be "hated birds" or "hateful
foul".
We know from the Old Testament that God punished the Israelites numerous
times for violating His Law the Torah by permitting mamzers into the
congregation of the LORD, and that mongrelization is one of the four things
that God calls an abomination. Yet any mention of mamzers or mongrelization
is strangely absent from the following list of abominations. Is that
because God's Law was done away with? No, it can't be.
Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person
[akathartos], nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in
the kingdom of Christ and of God.
a.. pomos = whoremonger [also, fornicator]
b.. akathartos = unclean person
c.. pleonektes = covetous man
d.. eidolotatres = idolators
Why add "unclean person" if fornicating, coveting, and idolatry are already
covered? What additional personal attribute could be considered merely
"unclean"? Not washing your hands before a meal? No. This is clearly a
reference to pure Israelites who are either fornicators, covetous, or
idolators, OR to mamzers or mongrels who are banned from the congregation of
the LORD, forever. Does this put mamzers on the same footing as Israelites
who practice idolatry? Perhaps.
Paul confirms that akathartos and mingling with another race, race mixing,
or miscegenation, are one and the same:
Act 10:28 And he said to them, You know how unlawful it is for a man, a
Jew, to unite with or to come near to one of another race. Yet God showed to
me not to call a man common or unclean [akathartos].
God showed Paul not to call a mamzer a mamzer? Why not, when in Corinthians
he exhorts Israelites to be separate from and to not even touch the "unclean
thing" [read: unholy, or akathartos].
2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the
Lord, and touch not the unclean thing [akathartos]; and I will receive you.
2Co 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and
daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
Note that "thing" is in italics, which means that the KJV translators added
the word, and it's obvious that they added the word in order to convert a
noun which means a mongrel into a pronoun referring to a "thing" which is
"unclean". The correct rendering of that verse is:
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord,
and touch not the mamzers; and I will receive you.
In other words, the Lord will not receive you if you so much as touch the
mamzers, much less if you fail to separate yourselves from them .
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From: phineas777
Date: Thu Sep 27, 2001 8:03 pm
Subject: AST Reveals True Meaning of the Word
The King James Version mistranslates the Word in II Corinthians 6:17. It is
translated as: "Wherefore come out from among them,and be ye
separate(aphorizo),saith the Lord, and touch(haptomai) not the unclean
thing(akathartos)<br>The Greek root words of this verse in question
are:aphorizo,haptomai and akathartos. Below are their definitions from
Bauer's and Liddell and Scott Greek and English dictionaries available at
any bookstore.<br><br>Aphorizo:(Translated as separate in the KJV) To mark
off by boundaries, strictly of land to lay aside, distinguish, distinct
bounds, to separate from, to cast out the society of, to bring and end,
finish.<br><br>Haptomai(Translated as touch in the KJV)To engage in,
overtake, have intercourse with, to touch, take hold of someone of
intercourse.<br><br>Akathartos(Translated as unclean thing in the KJV)
Unclean, filthy in body or mind, unpurified, unatoned, not fit for
cleansing, impure, spotted, soiled, dishonorable, mixed, counterfiet,
adulterated, blemished in kind.<br><br>So as you can see a much more
accurate version is in the Anointed Standard Translation. In II Corinthians
6:17 (AST) it is clearly stated:<br><br>"Because of this, come out from
among them, and separate, mark off your boundaries and cast them out of your
society, and do not have sexual intercourse with an adulterated mongrel and
I will receive you."
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Spirit of Miscegenation?
Where these translators presume akathartos to mean uncleanness or unclean
spirit, it's also possible from the following Scripture that it means spirit
of miscegenation rather than the actual offspring of race mixing, a mamzer,
or mongrel
Mat 10:1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them
power against the spirit of miscegenation, to cast them out, and to heal all
manner of sickness and all manner of disease.
Mat 12:43 When the spirit of miscegenation is gone out of a man, he walketh
through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
Mar 1:23 And there was in their synagogue a man with the spirit of
miscegenation; and he cried out,
Mar 1:26 And when the spirit of miscegenation had torn him, and cried with a
loud voice, he came out of him.
Mar 3:11 And the spirit of miscegenation, when they saw him, fell down
before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God.
Mar 3:30 Because they said, He hath the spirit of miscegenation.
Act 11:8 But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or miscegenated hath
at any time entered into my mouth
Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to the spirit of miscegenation
through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between
themselves:
Rom 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your
flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to the spirit of
miscegenation and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members
servants to righteousness unto holiness.
Rom 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing
miscegenated of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be
miscegenated, to him it is miscegenated.
1Co 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the
unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children
miscegenated; but now are they holy.
2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the
Lord, and touch not the spirit of miscegenation; and I will receive you.
2Co 12:21 And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and
that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of
the spirit of miscegenation and miscegenation and lasciviousness which they
have committed.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; adultery,
miscegenation, the spirit of miscegenation, lasciviousness,
Eph 4:19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto
lasciviousness, to work all miscegenation with greediness.
Eph 5:3 But fornication, and the spirit of miscegenation, or covetousness,
let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor miscegenated person, nor
covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of
Christ and of God.
Col 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth;
miscegenation, the spirit of miscegenation, inordinate affection, evil
concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
1Th 2:3 For our exhortation was not of deceit, nor of miscegenation, nor in
guile:
1Th 4:7 For God hath not called us unto miscegenation, but unto holiness.
Heb 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of a heifer
sprinkling the miscegenated, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
2Pe 2:10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of
miscegenation, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, self-willed,
they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
Rev 16:13 And I saw three miscegenated spirits like frogs come out of the
mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth
of the false prophet.
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the
great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the
hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every miscegenated and hateful
bird.
John Knight
Christian Party
"stoney" <sto...@the.net> wrote in message
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> On 20 Nov 2003 05:00:11 -0800, Explo...@aol.com (Baruch Gee), Message
> ID: <a58d2f72.03112...@posting.google.com> wrote in
> alt.atheism;
>
> >stoney <sto...@the.net> wrote in message
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> >> On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 14:09:13 -0800, "Christian Party"
> >> wrote in alt.atheism;
> >>
> >>
> >> >Only Unforgivable Sin: Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit
> >>
> >> No one gives a shit about your imaginary daemon deity, fuckwit.
> >
> >Hmm, incivility is not much of a recommendation that your position is
> >a worthy one for good people to exchange a faith-position for. You
> >seem as if you simply have an itch to scratch, which is rather
> >emotional, not attractively logical.
>
> The poster I responded to was anything but civil. There is no reason to
> treat him/her with the courtesy when there was no civility shown
> people in alt.atheism.
>
The "poster you responded to" merely posted what blasphemy of the holy
spirit is, so you cannot post a single word which can be characterized as
"anything but civil".
Why don't you just try to explain how alt.atheism can view a description of
blasphemy of the holy spirit as "no civility shown"?
John Knight
Christian Party
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> Christopher A. Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> > On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 14:09:13 -0800, "Christian Party"
> >
> > >
> > >http://members.fortunecity.com/zz8/holyspirit.htm
> > >
> > >Only Unforgivable Sin: Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit
> >
> > unlikely event that it exists it can go fuck itself.
> >
> > Was that clear enough for you?
> >
> > Now we're unsaveable you have no reason to be here. So you can go fuck
> > yourself. You'd enjoy it better than being an ignorant asshiole anmong
> > your betters.
>
> As a Christian who was once an atheist (and hold the usual reply that
> we all claim that), and who swore at God, and still gets angry at Him
> sometimes, to the point of arguing with Him, I sometimes wonder what
> the term means, "Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit". If it means simply
> swearing at God in the form of the Holy Spirit, then a few of the
> above letter writers have already written themselves off, and are
> already doomed. So would be a lot of Christians, especially those who
> have suffered grieviously in some way, and taken it out on God, who
> claims to be in control of all circumstances. When someone earnestly
> believes God is supposed to be a "Loving FAther" and then kills off a
> couple of children in the family, the alleged "Love" comes in for a
> bit of angry questioning.
>
> I don't think simply swearing at God is what it means. It is all very
> well for people brought up as Christians from childhood to insist it
> does, but they are then judging non-Christians and atheists, whom they
> have been told not to judge.
>
> Let us take a look at the context first.
>
> In the case of the Pharisees, they were face to face with the
> incarnate God in Jesus Christ, who had performed miracles in front of
> them, who had raised the dead and healed the sick. He did these
> things through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, since He made it
> clear in His reply to the Pharisees that it was the Holy Spirit who
> was performing the miracles through Him. So when Christ said to His
> disciples the Father can do nothing without the Son, and the Son can
> do nothing without the Father, He could have added that the Father and
> the Son could not do anything without the Holy Spirit.
>
He could have, but this would have been wrong, and this fact gives you the
opportunity to understand that, when blasphemy of God shall be forgiven, and
when blasphemy of Christ shall be forgiven, that blasphemy of the holy
spirit [and thus the holy spirit itself] is something very different.
All of God's holy people possess the holy spirit, as God's holy people are
"the temple of the holy spirit". So blaspheming their spirit is NOT the
same as blaspheming Christ or God.
> The Pharisees had therefore accused the Holy Spirit of being the
> Devil, since they claimed Christ's powers were demonic. In addition
> they were already plotting to kill (ie. murder) God Incarnate, which
> is a far cry from the frustrated cry of a person who doubts God's
> existence, partly in response to the many evil things they see
> happening around them.
>
> In short they had just witnessed a miracle of demonic deliverance, in
> which a deaf and mute man had been healed. And accused Christ of
> being in league with the devil. And as I said before, they were
> already thinking of killing Him.
>
> Murdering God is not a good way to win heavenly friends and influence
> angels.
>
> Even after they did murder Him, God then sent the Holy Spirit upon the
> Apostles, so that they began to do the same sorts of things Christ
> did, although to a lesser extent. Thus Christ's murder did not stop
> the Holy Spirit from operating. Meanwhile the Pharisees went on
> splitting hairs about combing their hair on the Sabbath, washing their
> hands before eating, and glorying in being "chosen" (like some 'Elect'
> Christians I can think of, so sure of their own election, and damned
> proud of it, too, to the point of spiritual arrogance).
>
> Now it is not a wise thing to swear at God anytime, but He prefers
> bitterly cold enemies to lukewarm friends, as a passage to one of the
> churches in Revelation makes clear. Bitterly cold enemies, if
> converted, usually become strong friends. It is an axiom that there
> is no disciple like a former enemy. Saint Paul is the outstanding
> Biblical example.
>
> I am still not sure what "Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit" means, but I
> suspect that in the end it means rejecting FAther, Son and Holy
> Spirit, at which point the end is clear.
> >snip>>
>
> Bob Crowley.
Blasphemy of the holy spirit is very clear if you look at Mar 3:28-30 in the
original Greek words:
But he that shall blaspheme against the holy spirit hath never forgiveness,
but is in danger of eternal damnation: Because they said, He art an
akathartos pneuma.
The jews called Christ an akathartos pneuma, and Christ replied that
claiming He was an akathartos pneuma was blasphemy of the holy spirit.
Unless akathartos pneuma is somehow related to "rejection" as many churches
claim (which it's not), all that's needed now is to understand the real
definition of akathartos pneuma, right?
You will never get the correct definition from dictionaries or concordances,
but you will get it from looking directly at the context in the Scripture:
Akathartos pneuma are people who occupy Babylon, Tyre, Sidon, the country of
the Gadarenes, who could not be bound in chains, who were driven into the
wilderness, who could not find rest, who were dumb and deaf, who made up a
Roman legion, who were drowned in the sea with a herd of swine, who came out
of the mouth of beasts like frogs, and who it is blasphemy of the holy
spirit for the jews to accuse Christ of being.
Akathartos is an antonym of holy [read: set apart] which must mean not set
apart [read: integrated], a man who unites with one of another race, and an
animal that Israelites should not eat.
Akatharsia is an antonym to holiness [read: not set apart, so it means
integrated], what Christ accused the Pharisees of being full of, a dishonor
to your own body [read: race], what Paul exhorted his fellow Israelites to
not be, and something that saints are not to be.
Here's the key verse that unlocks the secret of the universe:
Acts 10:28 And he said to them, You know how unlawful it is for a man, a
Jew, to unite with or to come near to one of another race. Yet God showed to
me not to call a man koinos or akathartos.
... to unite with ... one of another race ... = ... unlawful
... to unite with ... one of another race ... = akathartos
akathartos = ... unlawful
What is "unite"? It comes from the Greek word "kollao":
G2853
???????
kollao?
kol-lah'-o
From ?????? kolla ("glue"); to glue, that is, (passively or reflexively) to
stick (figuratively): - cleave, join (self), keep company.
It's translated as "cleaveth on us" in the following Scripture:
Luk 10:11 Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe
off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God
is come nigh unto you.
Does kollao mean to have dinner with, socialize with, have sexual
intercourse with, have offspring with, or the offspring of, one of another
race?
John Knight
Christian Party
"Christian Party" <christi...@cox.net> wrote in message
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The answer is in 1 Colossians 6:16:
What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two,
saith he, shall be one flesh.
The words "joined to" with regard to marrying a harlot is the same word as
"unite with" in Acts 10:28, which thus reads:
And he said to them, You know how unlawful it is for a man, a Jew, to [join
to] or to come near to one of another race. Yet God showed to me not to call
a man koinos or akathartos.
Parsing it out, we get:
... unlawful it is for a man ... to [join to] ... one of another race [is]
akathartos.
Or:
... [marrying] one of another race [is] akathartos [and] ... unlawful.
John Knight
Gray Shockley
(in message <nF8Cb.1572$gN.30@fed1read05>):
In the United States of America we speak the President's English (well, maybe
not /this/ President's).
Hebrew? That's of them furrin languages that commies and socialists and
ratfinks and califoonians talk but not good.
>
> Here's what the Israelites said about mamzers:
You sure be hung up on bastards.
How many you done fathered or mothered or whatever your kind does with people
of different and indifferent sexes?
Is you b the founder of that org be named "Fathers Anonymous"?
> Nehemiah 9:1 Now in the twenty and fourth day of this month the children of
> Israel were assembled with fasting, and with sackcloth, and earth upon them.
I just hate these modurn fassions. I took the oldest grandkid to the
haberdashery the last tinme I was up there and bought him a brand new
sackcloth suite and, if he didn't just mediatly goe out and rub dirt in it
like it wuz some pair of blu jeansd on Spin'n'Marty.
>
> Nehemiah 9:2 And the seed of Israel separated themselves from all
> foreigners, and stood and confessed their sins, and the iniquities of their
> fathers.
You got seed that have confessed your sins and your iniquities? You ought be
mostly shamed of youself doin thangs like tat. You be sorry sort of kind.
> Nehemiah 9:3 And they stood up in their place, and read in the book of the
> law of Jehovah
Here we go with nother them furrin gods. This Jehovah - does that be its real
name - or is this like that bunch of guys that think its better than American
if it's imported.
It's like them big ole housewife trucks, you kno them SLUTs (Surburban Ladies
Utility Transporatation).
Can't go to Krogers without there be thos durn SLUTs all tover the place.
Like I can git my ole Dodge pickmeup truk in between them SLUTsa that be over
the place. Now, they be furrin SLUTs too and likes a body cant get no piece
(or be left alone eeder).
> their God a fourth part of the day;
Okay, now this is that god who used to win all the popularity contests,
right?
Who kept the Sabbath Holy until Sam Walton made Him a deal He couldn't
refuse, eh?
Now, is this part of a human been day of eedder a fourth part of the day day
which - I'll be back in a little while - oh, okay which would be according to
te kids playing in the dog pen (ole doig be dead lo these many days until it
happen in Henrieta's own time - So be it and Amen, Brother).
So a human dayday be round 'bout (but nut two eet) 3 hours 0r one half time
at the Big Green Football Machine & Worship Center (double green (S&W) stamps
on Thursdays) - eye betcha thought I meant to say "S&H" but thoase durn S&H's
are sorta Tuesday Night Specials and, besides, here and there with tha bridge
ovr tha riva being rite up yoon street which I cee by the glorious lights of
our four casinos sitting out there bigger than cathouses and not as much fun.
Or wus this "forth part" be one of this god guy's day which would mean them
suckers gonna be confessin for the best part of the next 3,000,000 years. <--
I just put a pernod there as I ain't lowed to put an interrathingie there cus
round chere only the High Sheriff and his boys can do
interrowhatchamacallitin.
> and another fourth part
> they confessed, and worshipped Jehovah their God.
& their goes another 3,000,000 years like thes nuttin but water over the
spillway but i bet there's a lot of spillways that wont last any 3,000,000
years 'specially if you be using them Louisiana contractors like Willie Stark
tried to tell you about and fell in and kilt them datli' liitle chillun. So
ya know that this is true and even after the newaspaper went broke you could
go over there for coffee but ya had to take it with you. Durn! And you
Shirley know how thats go & I'm all sorts of sorry fer calling you Shirley.
>
> Nehemiah 13:3 Now it came to pass, when they had heard the law, that they
> separated from Israel all the mixed multitude.
Yes and beloved eye saith unto you that even a god gunna have trouble puttin
6 million candlers on that birthday cake.
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
>
> Deuteronomy 7:1 When Jehovah thy God shall bring thee into the land whither
> thou goest to possess it, and shall cast out many nations before thee, the
> Hittite, and the Girgashite, and the Amorite, and the Canaanite, and the
> Perizzite, and the Hivite, and the Jebusite, seven nations greater and
> mightier than thou;
I know sum them peopole cuz eye weas at the counte tax assessers counte tax
sale and fundraisin' for MathaJane's new baby which be born on her fourteenth
birthday and b gud cumpny for her other kids.
Them thar amorites and hitties and malakites and all them folks bid on The
Fouteen Point Dear Camp and Babysittin Sertvice but them durn furriners got
that too and now they trying to git a medkal dokter hear stead of reliein on
Norma Jean's babydelievery srvice which is the best round chere and you
should hear the wonderful things Norma Jean says at all them bab;ies
funreals.
>
> Deuteronomy 7:2 and when Jehovah thy God shall deliver them
Now that be good, only delivery here be that new pizza place and it b owned
by them durn furriners from sum county name kaifoornia or some such
foolishness and them furriners sure talkj funny.
> up before thee,
> and thou shalt smite them; then thou shalt utterly destroy them: thou shalt
> make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them;
Well me two and I say no covenet & no mercy and heaven take the hindmost and
dewliver ye up onto the hill from whince com all those people in the A.B.
Jonesy famly that ben living up yondr for all them years and people say they
not be two brite but I say the family that has relations kin have relatives
if ya know what i mean (and i betcha doo)\
>
> Deuteronomy 7:3 neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter
> thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy
> son.
Well wee dint usedta do any of that stuff but them furriners ben talking
'bout luvin their fellow man and some of these youngens been bout out doing
what somew of them strange billigoats and a casional cow will do when they're
sweat on each other and it's all bull, dontchaknow what I mean.
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
>
> Deuteronomy 20:16 But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God
> doth give thee [for] an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that
> breatheth:
That be bout that county all them kalifoorans cometh frometh cuz theys use
them automobiles and if god had wanted us to go places in cars then my
grandmother would have wheels and she don't, so there.
>
> Deuteronomy 20:17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; [namely], the
> Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites,
> and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:
Weve alreade talked bout them furriners that bid on the countee tax
assessorses countee tax sale last yars when them durn old furriners bote the
Fourteen Point Deer Camp & SitinBaby Sirvice and tryin ta put po Norma Jean
outta work and praying oer dead babies all she ever knows.
>
> John Knight
>
R u 1 of them furrners two?
eye betcha r cuz you talk funny und when i read your computereeze squeezeins,
it looks all blurre like you be drinkin as ya whomping down on this hear
lectrnc typwriter we got that has these itsy-bitsy batries that luk gud & las
eye long timee.
Write again sum time ifn you have another thing in your brain but nut 2 soon
cuz it tooik part of a gods dayyearlongthingie to reed this one and that ole
postman chewed me out cuz eye got them durn lectronick all over the flor and
they startin to smell like u kno what, if ya git my meanin.
gry 7 aw sumthin by now
Gray Shockley
(in message <RJ8Cb.1574$gN.604@fed1read05>):
And you can trace your family without error at least three or four millennia
or - at the very, very least - ten generations? Right?
And you have this family tree proudly displayed on your free site?
I'd hate to think ou would even start to claim to be a pure descendent
without proof positive that you ain't just another JOhnnieComeLately.
Gray Shockley
----------------------
Ah! Natasha.
My religion don't 'low me to use them nasty words like palindromes.
Ya shouldn't use them in mixed-up company, no ways.
Gray Shockley
(in message <QS8Cb.1578$gN.901@fed1read05>):
> It's amazing how many jews there are like Klein who don't have the first
> clue about who the Israelites are,
Oh, just everyone knows what the Israe Lites are. They're a watered down
virgin of Bud Lite as in His Daddy's "thousand pints of lite".
> at the same time that they claim
> (falsely) to be descendants of Abraham through Jacob.
Naw, they claimed to be the descendents of Jonathan's wife via that travelin'
salesman that got the farmer's daughter in a family way.
Gray Shockley
--------------------------------------------------------
Geez! Don't you know nuttin'?
Bob LeChevalier
>"Bob LeChevalier" <loj...@lojban.org> wrote in message
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>> >still can't find a single Gaelic word which is different from the
>original
>> >Hebrew word (as well as Phoenician, as all three languages are
>identical).
>>
>> ROTFLMAO.
>>
>> lojbab
>
>You know less than nothing about either Hebrew or Gaelic,
I know more than you do.
>nor do you realize
>that all of the modern Israelite languages are derived from Hebrew, not
>Latin, or Greek.
There are no modern Israelite languages.
>There were 2-3 million Israelites with Moses when he led them out of Egypt,
>so there should be at least 2 billion Israelites in the world today.
They forgot their religion, interbred and lost their identity during
the captivity. There are none in the world today.
lojbab
--
lojbab loj...@lojban.org
Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group
(Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.)
Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org
raven1
<christi...@cox.net> wrote:
<snip>
Fuck off, Nazi.
---
ROT-13 on Email to reply.
Gray Shockley
(in message <Tc9Cb.1583$gN.1033@fed1read05>):
Oh, really?
Who were they and what were their reigns?
Gray Shockley
(in message <FU9Cb.1597$gN.1003@fed1read05>):
> Here's the key verse that unlocks the secret of the universe:
>
> Acts 10:28 And he said to them, You know how unlawful it is for a man, a
> Jew, to unite with or to come near to one of another race. Yet God showed to
> me not to call a man koinos or akathartos.
>
> ... to unite with ... one of another race ... = ... unlawful
>
> ... to unite with ... one of another race ... = akathartos
>
> akathartos = ... unlawful
>
>
> What is "unite"? It comes from the Greek word "kollao":
>
> G2853
> ???????
> kollao?
> kol-lah'-o
> From ?????? kolla ("glue"); to glue, that is, (passively or reflexively) to
> stick (figuratively): - cleave, join (self), keep company.
>
>
> It's translated as "cleaveth on us" in the following Scripture:
>
> Luk 10:11 Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe
> off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God
> is come nigh unto you.
>
> Does kollao mean to have dinner with, socialize with, have sexual
> intercourse with, have offspring with, or the offspring of, one of another
> race?
It doesn't matter as God showed Saint Paul the
Latent //not// to call a man koinos or akathartos.
God doesn't allow his slaves to - as theKJV has it:
10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a
man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but
God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
Only a total and absolute collectivist such as Johnnie Boyd Knight
could totally and completely get 180 degrees out of phrase with reality.
You see in Johnnie Boyd Knight why all collectivists - whether they be
admitted communists or, like our little fella - a denier - will fail and they
will fail hard.
The "collectivist mentality" is a sign of a near vacuum between the ears. I
would imagine that where ever Johnnie Boyd Knight goes, there's a very loud
sucking sound.
But then, po' Johnnie Boyd Knight seems to have
learned his "religion" [chortle] from liars and thieves.
You're the thief on the other side of Jesus, Johnnie Boyd.
Gray Shockley
--------------------------------------------------------
And, when you die you're going to Southern California.
Gray Shockley
(in message <LpaCb.1600$gN.26@fed1read05>):
> The answer is in 1 Colossians 6:16:
>
> What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two,
> saith he, shall be one flesh.
>
> The words "joined to" with regard to marrying a harlot is the same word as
> "unite with" in Acts 10:28, which thus reads:
>
> And he said to them, You know how unlawful it is for a man, a Jew, to [join
> to] or to come near to one of another race. Yet God showed to me not to call
> a man koinos or akathartos.
>
> Parsing it out, we get:
>
> ... unlawful it is for a man ... to [join to] ... one of another race [is]
> akathartos.
>
> Or:
>
> ... [marrying] one of another race [is] akathartos [and] ... unlawful.
>
> John Knight
God showed him to
//////////////////NOT///////////////
call a man koinos or akathartos.
Johnnie Boyd Malvo Knight, you be one really stupid sucker.
Try it in English: ////not/////.
That's - if you've missed it - **********not **********.
Do you know what a negative is, Johnnie Boyd Malvo Knight????
For a long time, I figured that you were just
some sort of scummy, common trash.
However - apparently - I was wrong.
You're stupid, scummy, common trash.
Gray Shockley
------------------------------------
I apologize for my mistake.
Bob LeChevalier
>And you can trace your family without error at least three or four millennia
>or - at the very, very least - ten generations? Right?
>
>And you have this family tree proudly displayed on your free site?
>
>I'd hate to think ou would even start to claim to be a pure descendent
>without proof positive that you ain't just another JOhnnieComeLately.
I wouldn't accept his posted family tree without DNA confirmation.
Not when we know that a substantial percentage of offspring of women
were not those of their legally recorded spouse.
So if he wants to convince us he is a son of Israel, he'd better
habeas corpus and run a DNA comparison.
No doubt the nincompoop is *quite* familiar with DNA comparisons to
determine actual paternity.
Christian Party
There *is* an English word for the offspring of mixed race parents, and that
English word is "mongrel", not bastard.
Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary -- mon'grel (mun'grel), n. A cross
between types of persons or things. adj. Of or pertaining to an impure or
mixed breed or race.
And since you were unable to produce a Hebrew word other than mamzer which
means mongrel, then we must go with the definition in Strong's:
Strong's Lexicon H4464 îîæø mamze^r mam-zare' From an unused root mian. to
alienate; a mongrel.
There also *is* a Greek phrase for the offspring of mixed race parents, and
it's "akathartos pneuma", as per the following Scripture;
Mar 3:28-30 But he that shall blaspheme against the holy spirit hath never
forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: Because they said, He
art an akathartos pneuma.
iow, at the time of Christ, accusing someone of being the offspring of mixed
race parents was the ONLY unforgivable sin.
And you don't think there was even one Hebrew word for the ONLY unforgivable
sin?
Whew.
John Knight
Christian Party
First of all, it makes not a whit to God's Law whether or not I'm an
Israelite, because that does *not* change God's Law.
Second of all, it's *none* of your business.
John Knight
ps--you jews just can't stand the truth, can you? All you can do is try to
reduce every examination of the facts to some kind of mud slinging contest.
Enjoy your trip to Madagascar, Gray, 'cause you jews are outta here.
Christian Party
> Gray Shockley <gray...@cybercoffee.org> wrote:
> >And you can trace your family without error at least three or four
millennia
> >or - at the very, very least - ten generations? Right?
> >
> >And you have this family tree proudly displayed on your free site?
> >
> >I'd hate to think ou would even start to claim to be a pure descendent
> >without proof positive that you ain't just another JOhnnieComeLately.
>
> I wouldn't accept his posted family tree without DNA confirmation.
> Not when we know that a substantial percentage of offspring of women
> were not those of their legally recorded spouse.
>
> So if he wants to convince us he is a son of Israel, he'd better
> habeas corpus and run a DNA comparison.
>
> No doubt the nincompoop is *quite* familiar with DNA comparisons to
> determine actual paternity.
>
> lojbab
Even you moron "liberals" can probably tell the difference between the
offspring of two Israelites, and the half breed offspring of an Israelite
parent who miscegenated with a nigger, right?
According to the Scripture, if they have even 1/2,048th nigger blood,
they're niggers, not Israelites.
A mamzer shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his
tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD,
Deuteronomy 23:2
John Knight
Christian Party
> On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:26:22 -0600, Christian Party wrote
> (in message <QS8Cb.1578$gN.901@fed1read05>):
>
> > It's amazing how many jews there are like Klein who don't have the first
> > clue about who the Israelites are,
>
> Oh, just everyone knows what the Israe Lites are. They're a watered down
> virgin of Bud Lite as in His Daddy's "thousand pints of lite".
>
>
If you want to know who the jews think the House of Israel is, go to your
local SINagogue and ask the STUPID jews there to set up a House of Israel
section for you. They won't do it, because even if judeochristians don't
know it, the jews DO know that jews are not of the House of Israel.
In fact, even the STUPID jews know something that judeochristians don't,
which is that jews are also not of the House of Judah. You won't have any
better luck setting up a House of Judah section in your local SINagogue than
you will setting up a House of Israel section.
John Knight
Christian Party
"raven1" <cflpurq...@synfuznvy.pbz> wrote in message
news:2rfitvs44uj4mrf7c...@4ax.com...> F.ck off, Nazi.
>
> ---
Nazis were jews. Hitler was a jew. Thanks to these STUPID jews, there were
260 MILLION fewer Christians in the world in 1948 than there would have been
without the Nazis. The copy of the 1934 World Almanac at
http://christianparty.net/jews1933.htm notes the following pre-WWII
population of Christians and jews:
Christians 682,400,000
jews 15,315,000
In 1948, after WWII, the 1949 World Almanac at
http://christianparty.net/jews1948.htm notes the following:
Christians 592,406,542
jews 15,753,638
Perceived difference:
Christians -89,993,458
jews +438,648
Thus, according to the most credible jew and Christian sources in the world,
there were 89,993,458 FEWER Christians after the war, and 438,648 MORE jews
after the war, than there were before. But, at the historic growth rate of
the Christian population of 1.5% per year, the 682,400,000 Christians in the
world in 1933 would have been 853,158,362 by 1948. Instead, mostly due to
WWII, the actual population was 592,406,542, a loss of 260,751,820 Christian
lives. Even at a more conservative growth rate of Christians of 1% per
year, there were 199,838,673 fewer Christians in 1948 than there would have
been without WWII.
Real difference:
Christians -260,751,820
jews +438,648
Calculations:
Between 1950 and 2000, a period of 50 years, the world population more than
doubled, from 2.56 billion to 6.09 billion, an annual growth rate of 1.75%.
Most of that growth was in the less developed countries where the population
grew from 1.7 to 4.9 billion. The population of India increased 3.5 fold
(2%/year) and of China 2.5 fold (1.7%/year), adding another 1.4 billion
people to the world.
So it's not at all unreasonable to expect that the population of Christians
between 1933 and 1948 would have increased 1.5% per year had it not been for
WWII:
Year
At 1.5%/year
At 1%/year
1933
682,400,000
682,400,000
1934
692,636,000
689,224,000
1935
703,025,540
696,116,240
1936
713,570,923
703,077,402
1937
724,274,487
710,108,176
1938
735,138,604
717,209,258
1939
746,165,683
724,381,351
1940
757,358,169
731,625,164
1941
768,718,541
738,941,416
1942
780,249,319
746,330,830
1943
791,953,059
753,794,138
1944
803,832,355
761,332,080
1945
815,889,840
768,945,401
1946
828,128,188
776,634,855
1947
840,550,111
784,401,203
1948
853,158,362
792,245,215
At least get your racial slur correct, raven.
John Knight
Christian Party
news:a58d2f72.03112...@posting.google.com...news:<4p4orvsljtt5jl7jm...@4ax.com>...
> > On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 14:09:13 -0800, "Christian Party"
> >
>
>
> Hmm, incivility is not much of a recommendation that your position is
> a worthy one for good people to exchange a faith-position for. You
> seem as if you simply have an itch to scratch, which is rather
> emotional, not attractively logical.
>
> just attacking other people's, I recommend James Thrower's 'The
> Alternative Tradition: A Study of Unbelief in the Ancient World'
> (Mouton Publishers: The Hague, Parish, New York). James, whom I knew
> as an ethical atheist who didn't go around being aggressively rude
> about other people's beliefs (or otherwise), writes on the background
> to atheism in India, China, Greece and Rome, with a final chapter on
> Israel, Egypt and the Near East.
>
> I think it would make you less defensive if you realised you had a
> tradition of your own, so that you don't have to define yourself with
> attacks on others.
>
> After all, you don't have to be a redneck to be an atheist. You know
> that.
>
> :-)
>
> Baruch.
There's really no way to educate the uneducable, so to suggest that an
atheist actually read something is like recommending that they take
popsickles with them to the burning inferno.
Spain, France, Italy, Germany, England, and the Netherlands spent billions
of dollars and several centuries trying to educate the pagans of Africa,
only to have them complain that the Ten Commandments are a violation of
their civil rights. Pagans and atheists are patently uneducable and thus
have no hope of ever understanding something as complex as the Holy Bible.
We spent an extra $7 trillion [trillion, not billion] trying to educate the
uneducable in the US, only to see SAT points drop 98 points and to score
dead last in 17 of 34 TIMSS subjects.
The ROI on that extra $7 trillion is less than zero. Patently uneducable
pagans and atheists aren't worth a dime of thought nor an electron of
internet transmission.
John Knight
Icarus
> ...atheists are patently uneducable and thus have no
> hope of ever understanding something as complex
> as the Holy Bible.
On the contrary, the more educated people are, the less religious
they tend to be. Why is that, do you think?
Christian Party
Nobody expected you to get the subtle point which Peter made here, Gray,
which is that someone, even a jew, who marries someone of another race is
akathartos.
The fact that Peter proclaims that "God hath shewed me that I should not
call any man ... akathartos" doesn't change his point at all, which is that
this IS what akathartos means--interracial marriage.
So when Christ accused the jews of being full of akatharsia, He was
proclaiming them to be mamzers, which they WERE. However, when the jews
accused Christ of being an akathartos pneuma, or a mamzer, they were WRONG.
Christ could never have been a pure sacrifice to God if He'd had even the
slightest blemish.
Certainly you mamzers don't appreciate such fine points, but that doesn't
change God's Law, and the jews knew it (which is why they wanted to shut Him
up by demanding "His blood be on us and our children" when Pilate refused to
crucify Him):
Christian Party
Peter might have perceived that God told him that HE should not call a
mamzer a mamzer, but Christ did *not* perceive any such thing, and instead
exposed the fact that the jews were mamzers:
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited
sepulchers, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are full of ...
akatharsia, Matthew 23:27
We be not born of miscegenation we have one ancestry, God of Abraham. John
8:41
Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a
Samaritan, and hast a devil? John 8:48
Christ exposed the fact that the jews of His time were, just as the jews of
today are, mamzers.
Why is your underwear all gnarled up in a knot, Gray?
Musta been something Christ said? Good.
John Knight