Hindu to Sikh
chaudhry.nijjhar
What you have said is absolutely correct:-
>The underlying principles of Sikh faith as enshrined in the Sikh scriptures
and the lives and teachings of the Sikh gurus provide constant inspiration
and guidance to people of faith, whether they be Sikh or practice another
religion. Guru Nanak was affectionately referred to as
Nanak Shah Fakir
Hindu ka Guru, Musaiman ka pir
The above verse means:
Nanak the holy man
Is the guru of the Hindus and the spiritual teacher (pir) of the Muslims.>
That is perfect saying or proverb but do people understand this simple
saying? The answer is no as they are not Hindus. That is only Hindus could
become Sikhs and no Hindu no Sikh.
Hindu is not the one with clean shaven beard, etc but the word Hindu
originates from "HOND" or tribal identity or JAATI AUR BAASI, caste and
place of residence that establishes one's tribal or family identity. That
means Satguru Nanak Dev Ji makes disciples of Hindus only and He does not
want to know the non-hindus who conceal their tribal identities. That is, a
person who does not become of his father in flesh cannot become of his
Father in Spirit.
So, Hindus only benefit from the Preaching of Satguru Nanak Dev Ji whilst
the non-Hindus take Nanak for a Guru and think that He was a Brahmin moral
teacher, a Guru, who taught them.
Also, Nanak was a Pir of Mussallmaans of my type and not of the Mohammadans.
<Guru Nanak's house is described in the following verse:
Nanak da ghar kehra?
Jis da khula vehra.
(Which is Nanak's house?
That which has open doors and a courtyard.)
The Sikh place of worship is described as the gurdwara, the place of the
guru. It is open to all, regardless of race, religion, gender, caste or
language. Extremism is not what the Sikh faith is about. In Guru Granth
Sahib and Sikh texts, there is continued reinforcement towards leading a
balanced life, a life in which the three elements of living as a human being
come together.>
Yes. That too is absolutely TRUE. But tell me what the hell a person with
a spear is doing at the Gate of Harmandir please? Frightening the people
away or welcoming them in?
It is the same as keeping sword in front of Ad-Granth at Gurdwaras and
proclaiming that a Sikh has no enemy or stranger.
Sikhi is for the people of SURTI or spirit.
Rajinder Nijjhar Jatt,
Mussallmaan Pir Nanak Shah
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Madhusudan Singh
> Charanjit put up some quotations and here I have tried to explain them:-
>
> What you have said is absolutely correct:-
>
> >The underlying principles of Sikh faith as enshrined in the Sikh scriptures
> and the lives and teachings of the Sikh gurus provide constant inspiration
> and guidance to people of faith, whether they be Sikh or practice another
> religion. Guru Nanak was affectionately referred to as
>
> Nanak Shah Fakir
> Hindu ka Guru, Musaiman ka pir
>
> The above verse means:
>
> Nanak the holy man
> Is the guru of the Hindus and the spiritual teacher (pir) of the Muslims.>
>
> That is perfect saying or proverb but do people understand this simple
> saying? The answer is no as they are not Hindus. That is only Hindus could
> become Sikhs and no Hindu no Sikh.
>
Are you implying that Sikhism is closed for non-Hindus ?
Chaudhry Rajinder Nijjhar Jatt
Madhusudan Singh <chh...@eecs.umich.edu> wrote in message news:39E5F684...@eecs.umich.edu...
> "chaudhry.nijjhar" wrote:
>
> > Charanjit put up some quotations and here I have tried to explain them:-
> >
> > What you have said is absolutely correct:-
> >
> > >The underlying principles of Sikh faith as enshrined in the Sikh scriptures
> > and the lives and teachings of the Sikh gurus provide constant inspiration
> > and guidance to people of faith, whether they be Sikh or practice another
> > religion. Guru Nanak was affectionately referred to as
> >
> > Nanak Shah Fakir
> > Hindu ka Guru, Musaiman ka pir
> >
> > The above verse means:
> >
> > Nanak the holy man
> > Is the guru of the Hindus and the spiritual teacher (pir) of the Muslims.>
> >
> > That is perfect saying or proverb but do people understand this simple
> > saying? The answer is no as they are not Hindus. That is only Hindus could
> > become Sikhs and no Hindu no Sikh.
> >
>
> Are you implying that Sikhism is closed for non-Hindus ?
>
Non Hindus are those who have no tribal identity i.e. people born of the prostitutes or worse are
those who conceal their tribal identity knowingly for satanic work.
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Madhusudan Singh
> Hi,
>
> Madhusudan Singh <chh...@eecs.umich.edu> wrote in message news:39E5F684...@eecs.umich.edu...
> > "chaudhry.nijjhar" wrote:
> >
> > > Charanjit put up some quotations and here I have tried to explain them:-
> > >
> > > What you have said is absolutely correct:-
> > >
> > > >The underlying principles of Sikh faith as enshrined in the Sikh scriptures
> > > and the lives and teachings of the Sikh gurus provide constant inspiration
> > > and guidance to people of faith, whether they be Sikh or practice another
> > > religion. Guru Nanak was affectionately referred to as
> > >
> > > Nanak Shah Fakir
> > > Hindu ka Guru, Musaiman ka pir
> > >
> > > The above verse means:
> > >
> > > Nanak the holy man
> > > Is the guru of the Hindus and the spiritual teacher (pir) of the Muslims.>
> > >
> > > That is perfect saying or proverb but do people understand this simple
> > > saying? The answer is no as they are not Hindus. That is only Hindus could
> > > become Sikhs and no Hindu no Sikh.
> > >
> >
> > Are you implying that Sikhism is closed for non-Hindus ?
> >
>
> Non Hindus are those who have no tribal identity i.e. people born of the prostitutes or worse are
> those who conceal their tribal identity knowingly for satanic work.
>
So you call all Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, etc. as "people born of prostitutes" and
indulging in "satanic work" ?
Madhusudan Singh
~Shyrone Kaur~ wrote:
>
>
>
> SIKHS ARE SIKHS - NOT HINDUS
>
> By: Dr Awatar Singh Sekhon
>
> Balwant S Ramuwalia, a member of the congress party, a non-elected
> colleague of the present Indian Prime Minister, Deve Gowda, who makes
> frequent visits to Canada, has recently commented that "Sikhs are
> Hindus" (Indo-Canadian Times, 15th January, 1997). Mr Ramuwalia's
> statement reflects his own ignorance of Sikhism, his own faith. Mr
> Ramuwalia must be aware that India was not a political unit before 1857.
> The culture of Punjab was, therefore, definitely different from the
> Indo-Aryan culture or the culture of the inhabitants of the so-called
> India (Heritage if Sikh Culture. Society Morality Art P. S. Gill, New
> Academic Publishing Co., Jullundur, Punjab). Mr Ramuwalia must know that
> Punjab was neither a traditional Indian territorial state and monarchy,
> nor merely a dictatorship of one community over another (Bannerjee
> Evolution of the Khalsa, p. 125). The authors do not believe whatsoever
> that Mr Ramuwalia has done any service to mankind, much less to the
> faith which has its origin from Guru Nanak (1469). Mr Ramuwalia has
> demonstrated that today's politicians, especially within the country to
> which he belongs, are not required to implement common sense; their jobs
> are secure insofar as they serve their Hindu masters or the New Delhi
> administration, even at the expense of the community to which they
> belong. The authors are presenting rather briefly a few basic
> principles, for our readership, non-Sikh brethrens and to inform our
> Sikh children who have fallen victim of the Hindu India's educational
> system as to how "Sikhs have an identity separate from that of Hindus."
> Guru Nanak said, Mathe tika terr dhoti kakhai, hath chhuri Jagat kasai
> (Guru Granth Sahib, Asa Mahala 1, pp 471-472). When the high class
> bigots or brahmins approached the Guru, he said that these so-called
> preachers of the Hindu faith have marks of paint on their foreheads,
> cover their body with a piece of cloth (dhoti), look like saints, but
> they have knife in their hands and they are butchers. Indeed, Guru
> Nanak's sayings have been witnessed by the Sikh world since June,1984.
> The deeds of the New Delhi administrations have been intensified to
> exterminate the Sikhs. Indira Gandhi was a Brahmin. One must ask why
> this is so. The answer is because Sikhs are Sikhs and NOT Hindus. As
> such, Sikhs have no place in India. Let us have a critical look
> on the following:
>
> Sikhs: They are the followers their Ten masters, Guru Nanak Sahib to
> Guru Gobind Singh ji. Their eternal authority is Guru Granth Sahib,
> which is the compilation of their Gurus' teachings. They believe in one
> GOD. Initiation is the part of a Sikh's life. Sikhs do not believe in
> other faiths, but they respect all faiths.
>
> Hindus: Their gods are numerous, like Rama, Krishna, monkey God Hanuman,
> Shiva, Vishnu, Kali, Durga, Mother Sheranwali, Bhawani, to name a few.
> They also worship rats, monkeys, snakes, scorpians, dogs, plants, etc.
>
> Sikhs: Regardless of birth, marriage ceremony, death or other occasions,
> the Hub of their activity is Gurdwara (House of God), where Guru Granth
> Sahib is recited. Every ceremony is concluded by singing Anand Sahib's
> couplets (Adi Guru Granth, Ramkali Mahala 3, pp 917-920), followed by a
> mass or individual prayer, taking Hukamnama or 'word of command' from
> the Granth Sahib and then distributing Deg or parsad as blessing of the
> Almighty. All these activities are performed according to Gurmat.
> According to Bhai Daya Singh, one of the Panj Piyare - the five beloved
> ones, "Do not solemnize marriage without Anand marriage."
>
> Hindus: Accept Vedas as truth, which are the basis of Hindu Dharam. They
> believe in transmigration, desire Nirvana, follow four Ashram (fourth
> part of life when one leaves home), protect and(or) worship cow. They
> believe in the existence of Shudras (untouchables and untouchability).
> "Pundit should consider: First of all Soma, Gandharva and Agni, three
> gods are husbands of the woman", at the fourth number man becomes
> husband" (Rigveda 10, Sukat 85, Mantra 40). They believe in Mundan or
> ceremonial shaving, which is an important element of the rites of death.
> Without this even a beginning cannot be made. On this subject see "Sad
> Pramarath" According to Manu (Manu Ch 9, Sh 8), taking the form of semen
> Husband enters the womb of a woman and takes birth as a Son. That is why
> woman (wife) is called mother. Pundit, the high class bigots or
> brahmins, should do some research that how many have considered the
> woman as "Mother" to produce offspring and how many have adored her.
>
> Sikhs: There is no superstition among Sikhs in relation to Shudras.
> Also, nor do Sikhs drink cow urine (as purifiers). Sikhs: Sabat Surat
> Dastar Sira (Adi Granth) is their basic principle. Unshorn hair (Kes),
> Kara, Kirpan (mistakenly publicized by the western journalists as
> 'Dagger'), Kangha, and Kachhera, along with Dastar, are
> Sikhs' ornaments.
>
> Sikhs: Both smoking and consumption of alcohol are forbidden.
>
> Hindus: The slogan in India is 'cigarette, biri piyange, bari shan se
> jiyange'. Note: Global awareness is facilitating the discontinued use of
> both tobacco and alcohol, but Hindu India is doing the opposite.
>
> Sikhs: Sikhism is a religion and culture both.
>
> Hindus: Hinduism in not a religion, it is a society. It is a motley of
> sects and cults holding divergent views. Hindu culture is not one
> culture; it is a heterogeneous mass of diverse cultures (P. S. Gill 1975
> Heritage of Sikh Culture).
>
> Sikhs: Sikhs are vehemently opposed to Avtarwad, rituals, asceticism,
> caste system. Sikhs: Discrimination has no place in Sikhism.
>
> Suggested Readings:
>
> 1. Singh, (Bhai) Kahan Singh Hum Hindu Nahin Hain.
>
> 2. Gill, P. S. 1975 Sikh Heritage and Culture
>
> 3. Dilgeer, H S 1997 The Sikh Reference Book, ISBN 0-9695-964-1-3
>
>
>
> http://www.khalistan.net/sinhi.html
>
>
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